I played through Black for the first time this year on my old Fat with a sata hdd. How great was that game? It felt a generation ahead of its time, especially using the higher res display mode and the component video.
If you don’t already have a good controller solution, I highly recommend the Brook Wingman. I’m using mine with a Dual Shock 3 for the analog buttons (gotta have them for Ace Combat), but it supports so many controllers.
I bought the ps2 slim second hand. Then I personally did the modchip myself. Learning some more advanced soldering skills in the process. Now I'm able to play any game I want. But since it's slim version I can't use a hdd.
However, I can use samba share. Or usb (but could be slower, and bigger files needs to be split due to fat32 file size limitations). So I setup my samba share on my Linux server. And use OPL to load the games from my samba share on my ps2 using ethernet. It's awesome.
Furthermore, I use a open source tool called OPL-Pc-Tools to manage my collection of games on my smb share. This tool also works great under Linux.
I'm trying to force 1080p output in OPL without success yet, but apart from that it's all working now. Took me 1 week from soldering to Samba games ahah. As a bonus I now also have an advance JBC soldering station with multiple tips.
BoxOfFeet@lemmy.world
on 05 Aug 15:18
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Oh, you can still get storage on the slim. I just did Gusse’s IDE resurrector on mine, but there is a better version out there now with much larger SD card support.
Ow actually I just got it working now. With my modbo v5.0. Using ps2 to hdmi adapter. I'm able to set the video mode to HDTV 1920x1080 60hz. So much better now.
I stopped using my hdmi adapter because it wasn’t looking as good as the component video. You got the 1920 to work? What version of OPL do you have? I might have to try it again!
Latest stable release, which is currently version 1.1.0. While I do have 1920x1080 60hz working. Just keep in mind that not every game has 1080, however even then when you are forcing 1080 you might get less blurry results.
Ps. I should also mention you can enable GSM on game specific basis. By selecting the game and press triangle for options. And then enable gsm.
TommySoda@lemmy.world
on 04 Aug 18:07
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And as soon as that happens, I’m out. I’d rather just opt out of the modern internet. I already have to deal with my information getting leaked from various different services at least once every couple years it seems. I can change a credit card or a password, I can’t change my ID.
Ek-Hou-Van-Braai@piefed.social
on 04 Aug 18:23
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We'll build our own Internet.
With black jack and...
TheTimeKnife@lemmy.world
on 04 Aug 18:49
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We already have gemini. A text based internet protocol like gopher.
Yep, and every one of them already complies with age verification laws so as new laws are added they’re going to comply with those as well. There are very few web admins / sysops / site operators out there who are willing, or even able, to buck these kinds of national laws.
PushButton@lemmy.world
on 04 Aug 21:09
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I am already browsing the “old way”, since the mess with reddit…
I found out there is a forum for everything. It’s not centralized in one website, but it’s not that different than browsing /r/whatever you know.
More often than not, the discussions are more intelligent and on point too.
Lemmy will be pressured into age verification also and most hosts will crumble. $50M per caught infraction is wild.
We gonna end up going back to libraries. Which actually would be cool as fuck. Like Yentl when all those dudes are hanging out in a big ass room talking philosophy. It’ll re-spark the postal service. Live music will thrive. Coz everyone will be like fuck the internet, we’ll do it live.
Buelldozer@lemmy.today
on 04 Aug 22:33
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Many fediverse hosts will make an effort to stay open by shifting their servers to countries that are out of reach of verification and law enforcement but that will only last so long.
Why do you assume that the old school forums are going to get exempted? They are going to get on the bus or get run over by it just like everywhere else. Government has already proven that they can, and will, regulate those forums.
First, that the definition of content that is considered “adult” doesn’t necessarily mean every forum qualifies. Privacyguides.org likely would not. A car forum likely would not. Facebook must comply because links shared can be “harmful” anywhere on the platform. The fractured nature of Web 1.0 is a feature now, not a bug.
Second, that proxy measures can reasonably work for forums with smart admins. If I register with an email I can show has been in use since 2007, some forums are willing to accept that as enough evidence. I saw an article somewhere I can’t find right now that someone was accepting 5 year old tickets to a concert or something that was an 18+ event. Typically age verification laws are focused on large Web 2.0 platforms and can include lower cost, lower threshold options for sites with a very small number of users.
Finally, that it might simply take a longer time for anyone to care or even notice some smaller sites. By the time someone comes calling, policies might have already changed several times and reasonable exemptions now mean no work is needed.
WhyJiffie@sh.itjust.works
on 05 Aug 15:02
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First, that the definition of content that is considered “adult” doesn’t necessarily mean every forum qualifies. Privacyguides.org likely would not. A car forum likely would not. Facebook must comply because links shared can be “harmful” anywhere on the platform. The fractured nature of Web 1.0 is a feature now, not a bug.
if it were so easy. you can post links to the privacyguides forum too. but the bigger problem is that anyone can post anything. if they don’t do age verification, they are liable for any forbidden content that slipped through. that can also be used as a form of blackmailing.
Sure you can post links, but that’s not the topic of the forum, and it’s not specific the a xountrybor market, which is also a factor right now with the UK law, so it doesnt ping as a problem worth dealing with.
WhyJiffie@sh.itjust.works
on 05 Aug 20:48
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where did you read that it’s bthe topic of the forum that matters?
I’ve read what seems like 30+ articles and explainers about the UK law the last few days - this has some lousy (official) defintions. I think the most recent episode of Power User with Taylor Lorenz might cover some of this enough to get the overall sense.
The topics under scrutiny of the “user-to-user” site is extremely vague beyond obvious porn, but it amounts to if it allows the sharing of links of basic news of any topic, it counts. Because in terms of categorizing “harmful content” for minors, seeing fucking protests happening anywhere, at all is “controversial adult content.” But if the links are limited to a very specific topic, say Honda Ridgeline owners, privacy and cyber nerd shit no one cares about) etc., cooking, and other innocuous things, it’s a grey zone that doesn’t demand compliance. YMMV, but even for a fascist wannabe set of policies can’t justify “harmful” material for kids with a Linux forum or a forum for owners of the Honda Ridgeline (WTF?)
WhyJiffie@sh.itjust.works
on 06 Aug 12:14
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ok but my point is that if someone posts a protest article link to the honda forum, then, as I understand, the forum will become legally liable for that too. so if the forum guarantee that the link won’t even get publicly visible for a second, that’s when they don’t need to do age verification
Forums have mods and admins. As long as they don’t allow a topic habitually then, per my understanding for the UK law right now, that would make it exempt.
Compliance with the ID law is actually quite expensive if you contract Persona as the ID checker. If 1 user of a site not based in tje UK or about UK things posting 1 news article a mod deletes in 10 minutes is enough to trigger a $50,000 compliance contact, then it’s enough to be amazing standing for an easily won lawsuit about burdens on small business.
WhiteOakBayou@lemmy.world
on 04 Aug 18:35
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Maybe the whole corporate internet. Unless we’re forced into aol style portals by the death of net neutrality i think most of the lemmy user base will be fine. Shout-out to /c/selfhosted for those looking to get ahead of the permission gate.
Problem is, this isn’t about getting your age, it’s about identifying you online.
Rocketpoweredgorilla@lemmy.ca
on 04 Aug 19:08
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And they will know what you look like. And with some data extrapolation where you are, where you go, your searches, what you’re into, your payment methods, where you live, your schedule, who you interact with, and the list goes on.
This is one more data point for big brother to collect and share with the highest bidder, or to get leaked to people who do not have your best interests in mind.
BrianTheeBiscuiteer@lemmy.world
on 05 Aug 00:33
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And they know your medical conditions, your income, your likes and dislikes, your hobbies, your vices, your insecurities, your deepest desires. Fast forward 10 years and every page and site you visit will be AI generated on the spot to lead you around by the nose and which way they feel like.
“Your local team just won the championship! Buy one of their limited edition jerseys now for only one hour of your income! Act now and we won’t send videos of you jerking it to your coworker your wife is super jealous of. If you pay for express shipping we’ll disable your home security and quietly sneak in and hang it in your closet, even while you sleep! Just kidding! We bought all of this for you anyway, because we own your drug store and we would’ve just withheld your insulin until you bought a jersey… I mean TWO jerseys.”
commander@lemmy.world
on 04 Aug 18:59
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We’re heading back to the dreams of the 90s with people running websites on non-standard ports and DNS (new rinky dink decentralized DNS?). Take a performance and usability hit for the return of a more decentralized Internet. Probably still more usable than the early internet with all the lessons learned and tools available to modern developers. We can also bring back the term: web master
There are already far more people in raw numbers on various federated/non-commercial/self-hosted/indie web stuff than there ever were on the early web- it just takes a little effort to find it.
sexy_peach@feddit.org
on 05 Aug 06:03
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It’s pretty much like tor, but more geared towards services hosted as hidden services. It doesn’t have a proper way to hide you if you want to visit “normal” websites.
But it has its own torrents and stuff :)
LaunchesKayaks@lemmy.world
on 05 Aug 14:30
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Oh neat!
gigachad@piefed.social
on 04 Aug 19:28
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Better start downloading the important documents now
It’s about the information vacuum. Now every service will get your ID or photo, giving them both age and a whole sort of other metrics to build a profile on you. And yes, Lenny.ca doesn’t know that about me.
Unless you are one of the extreme privacy people, like deep into freakaziod territory, the folks who build tracking / id systems would maybe need an afternoon to go from your Lemmy username to your home address and underwear size.
For my account sure. I use the same username most places. But it’s also reasonable to have a fairly decent Lemmy account that’s decoupled from all your other online accounts. Use a temp email provider, VPN, and proper browser and you’re most of the way there.
Not a static target. What we consider a profile today is vastly more comprehensive than what was deemed sufficient a few decades ago. Ad networks today would put intelligence agencies back then to shame. They can always get more info. Adding biometric face data is useful to them. In a few more decades people might be talking about if Google and governments should be allowed to read your thoughts. The tech making this possible is already being developed and further along than many might expect.
TheMonk@lemmings.world
on 04 Aug 22:00
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I gotta be honest I thought I’d never be able to quit Reddit. But it was a lot easier when I just did it. If this shit becomes the norm, I’ll back out of a site first time they try that shit and block the site. Maybe I’ll just have to stop using the internet. Wouldn’t that be a net positive on my life. You made me do this, capitalism.
This is a problem with Government not an economic system. It’s about control, not dollars, pounds, or yuan.
TheMonk@lemmings.world
on 04 Aug 22:34
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But this scene was set by capitalism. The family friendly, market friendly internet is the basis for this entire issue. Yeah, government is the one finally pulling the trigger on sanctioned, total control, but we’ve been surveilled and profiled and censored for decades at this point by countless corporations for ad dollars. We’ve gone through the cycles of outrage and acquiescence and outrage and acquiescence as things have gotten worse and worse—same goes for the quality of politician, all bought and paid for by telecom companies neutering everything we can do to make the market and internet more favorable while the politicians got worse and worse and we began accepting it and just laughing it off.
And here we are. Don’t be fooled, this is 100% at the feet of capitalism.
Capitalism runs on top of government. Governments create and enforce the notion that a human, or a fictional human with fractional ownership (corporation), can in turn own arbitrarily large and important objects.
This is often done at the behest of said arbitrarily-large-and-important-thing-owners, who also come up with other similarly terrible ideas to have the government do.
melroy@kbin.melroy.org
on 05 Aug 15:40
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Yeah so what could possibly go wrong when every site you want to use has your ID and passport etc.
To be fair, that’s not how it will work. The site and the identity verifier will be two different things, the verifier only attests that you are not underage and the site doesn’t get your identity.
Still harmful though, because you can be sure that there will be scamsites redirecting people to fake but real looking verifiers for blackmail and identity theft purposes.
I for one will never put my ID or photo into any age verifier ever.
Buelldozer@lemmy.today
on 04 Aug 22:20
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decentralized apps, fediverse
Those apps and / or the fediverse itself would get sued into the ground and shut down one app or server at a time. There’s nothing stopping any Governments authorities from going after servers inside their borders and there’s nothing stopping them from “harmonizing” identity verification restrictions among other countries. They’ve already done it once with Intellectual Property law.
This push to de-anonymize the Internet isn’t new either. Microsoft started this back in the oughts with their Passport / Digital-ID program. Google and Meta, along with others, long ago launched their own versions and it’s why you can sign into so many websites with a Google or Facebook account.
It’s generally referred to as IdP and now that the Internet has been fully corporatized, with minor holdouts, you can bet your bippy that the days of anonymous access are ending.
Poem_for_your_sprog@lemmy.world
on 04 Aug 22:23
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You’d need to decentralize the Internet itself. Good luck with that one…
So do a million different forms of encryption. That doesn’t make the infrastructure any less centralized. If the people who own the fiber decide to only allow pre-approved types of traffic to cross their networks then it doesn’t make any difference what sort of protocols exist. Building free cross-country or subsea fiber routes is not economically viable and the internet doesn’t exist without them.
muusemuuse@sh.itjust.works
on 05 Aug 00:37
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Please look into how i2p works. It’s not just some form of encryption.
Please explain how you can bypass carrier enforced traffic shaping policy.
From geti2p.net:
I2P’s protocols are efficient on most platforms, including cell phones, and secure for most threat models. However, there are several areas which require further improvement to meet the needs of those facing powerful state-sponsored adversaries, and to meet the threats of continued cryptographic advances and ever-increasing computing power.
The people involved in the project you’re referring to acknowledge that governments can, by influencing carrier policy, disrupt and subvert the project’s intended function. Why then are you implying they are incorrect?
muusemuuse@sh.itjust.works
on 05 Aug 04:16
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You are arguing a different point here than you were above and I’m not going to entertain the misdirect.
While there are interesting projects in that list, everything that I see is either only useful in a local setting, like wireless mesh networks and their derivative protocols, or assumes that no one is actively restricting what can be transmitted over the privately owned long haul fiber networks that make up the backbone of the internet. How would someone in Seattle transmit more data than can be sent via a ham radio equivalent signal to someone in New York without the use of those fiber networks?
No it isn’t. Either traffic is allowed to flow freely or it isn’t. Once you start down the “isn’t” path there’s not much that can be done to get around the fact that a few people control a huge chunk of the infrastructure.
They do wade into the IP / transport territory a bit but those are not the 6 companies I was referring to. I was thinking of Verizon / AT&T / Lumen / Zayo / etc.
Those for sure… in the US.
Which international ties to they have? I know Vodafone is present in a lot of countries (the brand, it’s a different company altogether in each country) but don’t know many more… nor do i know of any that has a global monopoly of network nodes.
Lumen and Verizon both have subsea cable connections to Europe. EXA Infrastructure is in the process of acquiring Aqua Comms, both of which own subsea cables. Google, MS, and Meta have all invested in subsea infrastructure to varying degrees as well. These are not monopolies in the classic sense of the word but they’re not exactly owned by benevolent interests either.
That said, the point is that a malicious government with sufficient pull, for example the current Trump administration, wouldn’t have to bully very many people to severely limit the flow of information between North America and Europe. So much of the internet depends on US infrastructure that this wouldn’t be terribly far off from censoring the entire internet. In that scenario there isn’t much that can be done about it. Europe can control their own information flow to Asia and Africa but at minimum this would be a severe disruption for a significant amount of time. Other entities might take such an opportunity to impose their own restrictions and make the situation even worse.
muusemuuse@sh.itjust.works
on 04 Aug 22:39
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If only there was a non-commercial, decentralized way of doing the same thing we are already doing. Perhaps make it free too. Hmmm
Sir_Kevin@lemmy.dbzer0.com
on 05 Aug 01:19
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Last time I checked, the p!rate bay still exists. In fact there are many of them. Because the website itself is open source. The same could be done with any other site. If one gets taken down, two more pop up in it’s place.
While true, most sites do not have the fame of the pirate bay and will not see anywhere near the same number of fans hosting remakes, even if the source is available.
Its a server configuration issue. If you have a SPA even server side frameworks that uses native paths you need to configure the server to send all requests to the main application. You’ll find documentation of how to do this in the setup for every framework I’ve run into.
Back when the govt here started incentivizing people to ask for receipts the Prime Minister’s fiscal ID was made public and the fucker starting having a lot of receipts in his name.
whotookkarl@lemmy.dbzer0.com
on 04 Aug 21:31
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Google already changed logged out YouTube to a single row of recommendations and a button to login on roku and Android shield when it used to look like the logged in version just a couple weeks ago. Probably the kick I needed to get off, mostly just using it for a couple smaller call-in/debate streamers I can switch to a podcast or other version.
logged out YouTube to a single row of recommendations and a button to login
I got this update on my smart TV, and I don't think Google realizes how much of an improvement it is. It's unintentionally the best thing the app has ever done.
Finally, no more fucking clickbait clutter all over the screen. I already just search for the channels I want to watch anyway. I love it.
SoftestSapphic@lemmy.world
on 04 Aug 21:50
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Lol no it isn’t.
People have killed for less
balder1991@lemmy.world
on 04 Aug 22:10
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That won’t matter when everything becomes paywalled.
BigTrout75@lemmy.world
on 04 Aug 23:43
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Can you have age verification and still be anonymous on the Internet? (Fixed fukted typo)
sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works
on 05 Aug 00:56
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Sounds like they’re asking about anonymous amicable anuities, and the answer is no, those are regulated by the SEC (or whatever investment governing body in your area), so you can’t legally buy an anuity anonymously, even if it’s amicable.
And that kinda sucks, because that could actually be useful. For instance, you could set up a forum for people above the age of 40 or whatever while still letting everyone post pseudonymously. A third party public service that can blindly attest that a person is over a certain age could be a great and convenient thing. It’s difficult to imagine such a thing happening, though.
sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works
on 05 Aug 22:24
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Sure, but it’ll be used by pearl-clutchers to enforce their morality on others.
Right, I’m imagining it as a service set up to be used if wanted/needed with no broad mandate. There are people running NSFW sites and channels that genuinely do not want minors interacting or accessing, and many would integrate this type of verification voluntarily if there was trust that it worked correctly and did not collect and distribute data about individuals. But I agree, that’s not what is on offer. So far from the UK it seems like they are letting private businesses figure it out.
sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works
on 05 Aug 23:26
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Right, I understand the idea, it’s just very common that any capability that is created will be misused.
JeremyHuntQW12@lemmy.world
on 06 Aug 02:29
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Yes, but the legislation specifically rules out that technology. The purpose is to remove anonymity.
Asidonhopo@lemmy.world
on 05 Aug 03:27
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If this happens they should check ID at church too seeing as how children are much more likely to be abused or groomed by someone there.
Tollana1234567@lemmy.today
on 05 Aug 05:13
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the simulatenous legislaiton from all countries seems very suspicious of a certain foreign adversary backing such motives. this isnt the first things like this happened. just a hunch.
Current US administration stopped funding it as part of their slide towards corporate-driven dystopia, I believe. Tor itself is still out there, just a little more strapped for cash than it used to be.
If they threaten server admins with legal action based on the global user count of lemmy rather than their local server user count I’m sure plenty of owners will fold.
Lemmy is probably not complying with UK law already. But if hosted outside the UK you can just ignore them.
Some instances have blocked the UK but you can also just ignore it because wtf are they going to do
interdimensionalmeme@lemmy.ml
on 06 Aug 00:05
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Lemmy is still very centralized,
sure there are many servers
and that takes care of the /u/spez problem
but very little else, most topic generally have one big community
and it’s on the one big server
You can go elsewhere, if you like speaking into the void and nobody even hearing you.
Which you can follow from another server, what’s your point?
interdimensionalmeme@lemmy.ml
on 07 Aug 08:16
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the one big moderating boot,
that you cannot escape
but don’t worry,
the boot loves you,
the boot works for you,
it only wants the best for you
as it pummels your face into the ground
for your own good
Kekzkrieger@feddit.org
on 05 Aug 05:29
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If that isn’t already shorthand for “whenever, wherever, whatever” it should be.
sexy_peach@feddit.org
on 05 Aug 06:01
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i2p lemmy is going to be great!
vacuumflower@lemmy.sdf.org
on 05 Aug 06:05
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Suppose true, then we’ll reduce the use of “the whole Internet”.
OK, we won’t, no tools yet.
I really love Briar, except it’s functionally not quite there yet, and the desktop kind of such application synchronized with neighboring ships, so to say, with a delay-tolerant Web alternative, would be good. Over various links and media.
Anyway, it’s not a technical problem, it’s a social problem. Not really different from ID checks on the streets and everywhere you go in the city, except much of the city got virtualized. And ID checks on the streets are automated by cameras everywhere and face recognition.
Social problems are resolved in the legal, social, protest, civil war fields.
ID checks on the streets and everywhere you go in the city, except much of the city got virtualized
Except on the internet, you can still create your own street with your own rules.
vacuumflower@lemmy.sdf.org
on 05 Aug 11:51
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If you buy\rent a house (suppose) intended as, well, housing, and make a family diner there without registration, you will break the law.
They can easily do this with the Internet.
Bloomcole@lemmy.world
on 05 Aug 09:36
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Yes, the EU with their draconian and dystopian plans just go over our heads and do it.
All quiet and sneaky, no articles in the sold out press, only small specific outlets or sites that investigate privacy or tech.
As someone with a disability (and no car), the internet has played a massive role in allowing me to live independently, which in turn has a profoundly positive impact on my mental health. There are a wide variety of circumstances in which the internet has enhanced life experience - let’s not throw the baby out with the bathwater.
MystValkyrie@lemmy.blahaj.zone
on 06 Aug 11:21
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I’m sorry. I suppose I should have said “I don’t need the internet outside of work.”
Remember guys, they cared about the kids and their online safety as soon as Israel started a genocide in Gaza and they lost control of the narrative. But they didn’t care at all for the past 20 years when Epstein and his buddies were running rampant.
danhab99@programming.dev
on 05 Aug 18:04
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Does anyone vaguely remember those internet licenses from that Star Trek DS9 episode when they went back in time but it was the near future from the 80s perspective meaning that it’s actually today?
They’re called contracts with your ISP, they’ve been around for a while now.
Teknikal@eviltoast.org
on 05 Aug 18:37
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I think we need to organise a massive campaign for people to cancel their entire Isp for at least a month, I’m betting all this would get reversed almost overnight.
Anything but that I fear they win and we all end up on the darknet.
Uh huh. People are addicted. I’d bet even the people with petabyte home media systems will go into withdrawal within picoseconds after not being able to get more more more more more more
It is so complicated that you’re both correct and incorrect. US government added to it, yes. I’d argue the fundamental work was independent researchers from multiple countries (UK, USA, France). I’d argue the critical infrastructure was multiple non-profits.
Also the question is “what exactly is the beginning of the internet”. Is it usenet? Telnet? Arpanet?
Nope. The US government Department of Defense literally funded and created the internet. It was initially called Arpanet and was mainly US government sites. This is why few people use the .us domain. Because the initial domains .gov, .mil, .org etc were all USA sites. Usenet is independent and does not require the internet and telnet is simply one program using the internet. Most of the core TCP/IP technology was created and funded by DOD also although it is possible some of it was pre-existing.
No. The internet has so many beginnings that it is impossible to say only one group created it.
The internet, like its design, is a co-operation between many different groups.
It goes back even further than 1777, where the French mechanical telegraph was the first way to send long distance messages. And therefore is considered as one of the beginnings of the of the internet.
Or in 1830 where Brits invented a way to send electronic messages over copper cables.
Or in 1860 where they started laying sea cables to connect landmasses.
It is typical that the US claims to have invented something when it is clearly a collaborative effort.
Or in 1860 where they started laying sea cables to connect landmasses.
I never claimed that other countries do not do valuable things, but these things are not the internet.
I’m talking about something very specific: the Internet. It was created by the US DOD in the 1960’s. Without that happening what would have likely developed are a bunch of private networks like Compuserve, AOL, MSN etc that charge us by the hour.
It is typical that the US claims to have invented something when it is clearly a collaborative effort.
Why is it important to you to revise history on this particular topic? Creating the internet was not even a collaborative effort within the USA. It was done entirely by one single government agency, the Department of Defense. Nobody is saying Europeans never invented anything. Just not the internet.
The internet has so many beginnings
It has exactly one beginning. In 1969. It wasn’t even connected over the Atlantic until 1973.
That is an interesting point of view. Very USA exceptional. It’s also dumbed down a lot. ARPANET is a computer network, but it’s not internet, nor it was the first. It kickstarted popularity of computer networks in the USA and provided first FTP and (I think) first remote login.
Popularity of computer networks in USA definitely was a formative quality over the 20 years of international development of the Internet.
But saying ARPANET was the internet is like saying gramophone is Netflix.
First computer network to send packets to another computer was British NPL network. Then US government founded ARPANET, built upon that. Except that DARPA besides having own researchers outsourced to Stanford, BBN and University College of London (“How the Internet Came to Be”, quoting I forgot whom from DARPA).
Then French Cyclades computer network built upon ARPANET and proposed that multiple networks should be able to communicate with each other.
Then USA non-profit IEEE looked at all that proposed TCP/IP for cross-network communication, and that is the thing that (after many iterations over a decade) led to the Internet not being separate networks like AOL or Computerverse or whatever.
First was Spain with RETD , then France, then USA with Telenet. Then Canada. Then in 1978 we started connecting those separate networks. I think the first properly working project was
…wikipedia.org/…/International_Packet_Switched_Se… between British post office and USA post office.
On those public data networks the Internet’s physical layer was built.
In USA U.S. National Science Foundation was founding more and more computer networks, including CSNET. That’s still not internet. It’s 1980 and it will take a decade of new inventions (Ethernet, LAN, DNS) and improvements & implementations (like to TCP/IP) before we will get the internet.
Here’s a nifty source for that decade, because I spent 50 minutes writing this post before I noticed I’m arguing with a guy over the internet about the internet.
First computer network to send packets to another computer was British NPL network.
TCP/IP is not “the Internet”.
ARPANET is a computer network, but it’s not internet, nor it was the first.
The Arpanet IS the Internet. THE ARPANET IS THE NETWORK THAT WAS LATER RENAMED “INTERNET”. Did you really think that the internet just blinked into existence with millions of nodes? LMFAO. No, it had to start small and get big, as common sense dictates. UCLA, ARC, UCSB, and the University of Utah School of Computing are literally the very first 4 nodes of the internet. We know exactly how, where, and when the internet started because we know what the very first 4 internet nodes are.
[The first four nodes were designated as a testbed for developing and debugging the 1822 protocol, which was a major undertaking. While they were connected electronically in 1969, network applications were not possible until the Network Control Protocol was implemented in 1970 enabling the first two host-host protocols, remote login (Telnet) and file transfer (FTP) which were specified and implemented between 1969 and 1973.[10][11][65] The network was declared operational in 1971. Network traffic began to grow once email was established at the majority of sites by around 1973.[12]
Initial four hosts First ARPANET IMP log: the first message ever sent via the ARPANET, 10:30 pm PST on 29 October 1969 (6:30 UTC on 30 October 1969). This IMP Log excerpt, kept at UCLA, describes setting up a message transmission from the UCLA SDS Sigma 7 Host computer to the SRI SDS 940 Host computer The initial ARPANET configuration linked UCLA, ARC, UCSB, and the University of Utah School of Computing. The first node was created at UCLA…]
But saying ARPANET was the internet is like saying gramophone is Netflix.
Would you stop with the nonsense? Gramophones were never renamed “netflix”. LOL…
That’s still not internet. It’s 1980
Would you again stop with the nonsense? Everyone with common sense knows that the internet did not just blink into existence with a million domains. Obviously it had to start small and grow from there. The internet was created in 1969, not 1980. The very first internet connection occurred on 30 October 1969. The first 4 internet nodes were: UCLA, ARC, UCSB, and the University of Utah. Just because the internet originally had a different name does not change in the slightest exactly when, how, and where it began.
This is the book be Vincent Cerf where he explains that ARPANET isn’t the Internet. Good to know that the people who created the Internet are wrong.
I get it. You were taught in school that US government created the internet. It’s a good explanation to the 4th grader. It’s also simplistic and incorrect, but that’s how elementary schools teach. It’s like that with a lot of knowledge, it becomes more nuanced the more you know about it.
Your own link proves my case. No where in your link does Cerf say that the Arpanet was not the beginning of the internet. If fact, he indicates the opposite of that.
[While still at DARPA, I formed an Internet Configuration Control Board…]
You would only have a leg to stand on if there was a moment in history when 2 or more similar sized networks combined to form the internet. But that is not what happened. What happened is that the Arpanet formed in 1969 with 4 nodes, and over the next 56 years grew bigger and bigger and bigger until there were billions of nodes. And it did that mostly by adding individual nodes. When it got too big for DARPA to manage it all, the name was changed from Arpanet to Internet.
I get it. You were taught in school that US government created the internet.
No, when I first started using the internet in 1982 when the internet had hundreds of nodes, I learned how this network was created by using FTP to get the papers that described it. But I get it. You watched a youtube video that covered the entire 56 year history of the internet and you got confused about the difference between the creation of the internet and the entire history of the internet.
[The NPL network, or NPL Data Communications Network, was a local area computer network]
Why did you even post this link? Your link literally refers to a “LOCAL area network”. The Arpanet/internet is a global network, not a local network. Your own links keep proving my points.
What we are discussing is the BEGINNING and CREATION of the internet, not the entire 56 year history of the internet. The internet did not start as a gigantic network with millions or billions of nodes. It started with 4 specific nodes in 1969 and then grew from there, and we both know that. The beginning was crucial because if there had never been a beginning in 1969 funded by the US DOD called Arpanet, there never would have been an Internet. There would have been no early network for later nodes to join. It’s possible that a large network would have eventually developed, but it likely would have happened by merging together private networks like AOL and MSN and Compuserve. And it would have been much more top down controlled and much more expensive and much less useful.
TotalCourage007@lemmy.world
on 05 Aug 21:05
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I mean, wouldn’t lemmy qualify as darknet because it isn’t the top 10 websites? We should be growing the Federation anyways so I’m down for that. At least they won’t ban me for making Trump jokes.
No, Darknet is just a website that’s not listed anywhere. Lemmy is listed in many places.
NateNate60@lemmy.world
on 05 Aug 21:20
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Not sure about what the norms are where you live, but most people in the US have to sign 1-year agreements for Internet service, and those who don’t typically either pay more or would pay before because they’re on a cheaper, older rate that is grandfathered in and is no longer offered by the Internet service provider.
You can do that in the US as well, but it will cost more because you wouldn’t be agreeing to a fixed term. For example, my ISP charges $25 a month for 200 mb/s if you agree to a one-year term, but it’s $40 a month if you do not agree to a one-year term. And there’s also the added inconvenience of having to go to one of the ISP’s physical stores every month and put cash into their kiosk.
They will ask for your name here when signing up, but nothing prevents you from lying about your name if you’re going to be paying in cash. They ask for an e-mail address as well, but you can say you haven’t got one, and they’ll create one for you using their own e-mail service and assign it to you. You don’t actually have to use it, but it is for receiving their bills and notices.
A_Random_Idiot@lemmy.world
on 06 Aug 02:00
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Hahaha
Good luck doing that.
People can’t even delay their non-essential shinies to make a statement against price gouging/raising bullshit… You think they’re gonna willingly sacrifice something like internet? for a month?
this is backwards. why can’t publishers mark pages as child-friendly and then browsers and operating systems can have a child-friendly mode that parents (or whoever the authoritarians are) can use. Laws can target people misusing the child-friendly mode.
It’s not about actually protecting children. It’s about data.
nickiwest@lemmy.world
on 05 Aug 22:53
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This is the correct answer. Notice that they have no compunction about punishing parents who secure gender-affirming care for their trans kids, but there has been zero discussion of holding parents responsible for their kids’ internet usage.
Far-right groups in the US have been crying “Big Brother” about everything for years because their whole plan has been to create a surveillance state where to gather information about dissenters. Every accusation is a confession with these people.
interdimensionalmeme@lemmy.ml
on 06 Aug 00:01
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They’re using children as human shields while they attack our human rights.
JeremyHuntQW12@lemmy.world
on 06 Aug 02:27
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No it’s not, maybe for some mainstream websites. Saying the “whole internet” is clickbait hyperbole.
interdimensionalmeme@lemmy.ml
on 06 Aug 00:00
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They mean most of the internet for most people
Only the vast socially relevant parts of the internet
laserjet@lemmy.dbzer0.com
on 06 Aug 02:44
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elite nerds who use lemmy will be able to circumvent
if the snobs are fine, why care?
those people kvetching about how the endless September ruined everything will have their wish
interdimensionalmeme@lemmy.ml
on 06 Aug 09:53
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Well if they enslave everyone else, we are going to feel it too, no matter what cracks of the system we hide in
JeremyHuntQW12@lemmy.world
on 06 Aug 02:25
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Australians will soon be subjected to mandatory age checks across the internet landscape, in what has been described as a huge and unprecedented change.
Search engines are next in line for the same controversial age-assurance technology behind the teen social media ban, and other parts of the internet are likely to follow suit.
ArmchairAce1944@discuss.online
on 06 Aug 12:52
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What sucks is that once these laws are in place repealing them will probably never happen. There are far too many people who will benefit financially from this to allow that to happen.
haloduder@thelemmy.club
on 06 Aug 16:22
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They’re making it so that vigilante justice is the only form of justice the ruling class can receive.
There are far too many people who will benefit financially from this to allow that to happen.
Orly? Can you give me a couple of examples?
I’m opposed to this trend myself, btw. But I just interpreted as a bit of pointless over regulation by a bunch of populist nanny-statists. You’re telling me there’s financial interests involved as well?
ArmchairAce1944@discuss.online
on 06 Aug 19:27
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There are companies to store and process IDs on behalf on the sites. Also it will give a hell of a lot more information to marketers who will pay tons for it to sell you crap they think you need. They already have far too much information on everyone already, but this will give them even more.
sturmblast@lemmy.world
on 06 Aug 13:04
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Age Verification Is Coming for the Whole Corporate Internet
There, FTFY
quitenormal@lemmy.world
on 06 Aug 18:44
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Seems to me, there’s no real way to age verify people. This is pointless.
Want ID? Kids can just upload a fake one.
The app wants access to your phone’s camera, so it can use ai to assess your age? Well I don’t know for certain, but I’m 99.9% there’s probably a way to trick your phone into using a virtual camera, showing images of a middle-aged man.
What ever method of age verification, someone will figure out a way to trick it, and kids will be onto the trick very quickly.
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Fuck that. The future fucken sucks.
I'm literally now playing ps2 games on my modbo chip ps2 slim.
Glad I got a decent Xbox 360 collection.
I played through Black for the first time this year on my old Fat with a sata hdd. How great was that game? It felt a generation ahead of its time, especially using the higher res display mode and the component video.
If you don’t already have a good controller solution, I highly recommend the Brook Wingman. I’m using mine with a Dual Shock 3 for the analog buttons (gotta have them for Ace Combat), but it supports so many controllers.
I bought the ps2 slim second hand. Then I personally did the modchip myself. Learning some more advanced soldering skills in the process. Now I'm able to play any game I want. But since it's slim version I can't use a hdd.
However, I can use samba share. Or usb (but could be slower, and bigger files needs to be split due to fat32 file size limitations). So I setup my samba share on my Linux server. And use OPL to load the games from my samba share on my ps2 using ethernet. It's awesome.
Furthermore, I use a open source tool called OPL-Pc-Tools to manage my collection of games on my smb share. This tool also works great under Linux.
I'm trying to force 1080p output in OPL without success yet, but apart from that it's all working now. Took me 1 week from soldering to Samba games ahah. As a bonus I now also have an advance JBC soldering station with multiple tips.
Oh, you can still get storage on the slim. I just did Gusse’s IDE resurrector on mine, but there is a better version out there now with much larger SD card support.
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Now that you mention it, I’ve had mixed results forcing resolutions through OPL. But the factory ones you do with button combos always work great.
Ow actually I just got it working now. With my modbo v5.0. Using ps2 to hdmi adapter. I'm able to set the video mode to HDTV 1920x1080 60hz. So much better now.
I stopped using my hdmi adapter because it wasn’t looking as good as the component video. You got the 1920 to work? What version of OPL do you have? I might have to try it again!
Latest stable release, which is currently version 1.1.0. While I do have 1920x1080 60hz working. Just keep in mind that not every game has 1080, however even then when you are forcing 1080 you might get less blurry results.
See attachment image.
Ps. I should also mention you can enable GSM on game specific basis. By selecting the game and press triangle for options. And then enable gsm.
And as soon as that happens, I’m out. I’d rather just opt out of the modern internet. I already have to deal with my information getting leaked from various different services at least once every couple years it seems. I can change a credit card or a password, I can’t change my ID.
We'll build our own Internet.
With black jack and...
We already have gemini. A text based internet protocol like gopher.
Whats up with gemini lately? Havent seen anything about it since before covid
I believe they updated the FAQ, but it seems to be humming along just fine.
Them pods are a gigantic rabbit hole. A hare hole if you will.
We have already done that. It’s called Dreddit and not even major governments can stop it.
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dark.fail
Is it filled with the type of people that one might wish major governments could stop, though?
Not much more than the www.
By proportion maybe?
(Just guessing, I’m not on there)
Yeah, it’s all relative. It’s like the www before corporate takeover. Like the old www, you need to have some sense on where to go and where to avoid.
The good old days, yes.
Black jack anddddd…
Sneakernet is gonna be back with a vengeance
Among us nerds, I’m sure.
Isn’t that how it started
I’m literally going around trying out old school forum sites this week.
Let us know what you find. I’m ready to go back to the 90s/early 2000s internet. Golden era of the internet.
Car forums are still alive and well because they’re a great repository of knowledge. There are plenty of computing forums too still.
Yep, and every one of them already complies with age verification laws so as new laws are added they’re going to comply with those as well. There are very few web admins / sysops / site operators out there who are willing, or even able, to buck these kinds of national laws.
I am already browsing the “old way”, since the mess with reddit…
I found out there is a forum for everything. It’s not centralized in one website, but it’s not that different than browsing /r/whatever you know.
More often than not, the discussions are more intelligent and on point too.
For my doom-scrolling needs, Lemmy does the job.
Lemmy will be pressured into age verification also and most hosts will crumble. $50M per caught infraction is wild.
We gonna end up going back to libraries. Which actually would be cool as fuck. Like Yentl when all those dudes are hanging out in a big ass room talking philosophy. It’ll re-spark the postal service. Live music will thrive. Coz everyone will be like fuck the internet, we’ll do it live.
Many fediverse hosts will make an effort to stay open by shifting their servers to countries that are out of reach of verification and law enforcement but that will only last so long.
Then just self host
ah ha! Guess that’s how we beat the system. People would need to sub to your instance though for you to post content right?
What would the pros and cons be?
I think there is some way to automatically forward your content but I don’t self host and am not an expert.
Pros are that while you could be “defederated”, you can’t be banned. You make any decisions and could also let others use your system.
Why do you assume that the old school forums are going to get exempted? They are going to get on the bus or get run over by it just like everywhere else. Government has already proven that they can, and will, regulate those forums.
Great question!
First, that the definition of content that is considered “adult” doesn’t necessarily mean every forum qualifies. Privacyguides.org likely would not. A car forum likely would not. Facebook must comply because links shared can be “harmful” anywhere on the platform. The fractured nature of Web 1.0 is a feature now, not a bug.
Second, that proxy measures can reasonably work for forums with smart admins. If I register with an email I can show has been in use since 2007, some forums are willing to accept that as enough evidence. I saw an article somewhere I can’t find right now that someone was accepting 5 year old tickets to a concert or something that was an 18+ event. Typically age verification laws are focused on large Web 2.0 platforms and can include lower cost, lower threshold options for sites with a very small number of users.
Finally, that it might simply take a longer time for anyone to care or even notice some smaller sites. By the time someone comes calling, policies might have already changed several times and reasonable exemptions now mean no work is needed.
if it were so easy. you can post links to the privacyguides forum too. but the bigger problem is that anyone can post anything. if they don’t do age verification, they are liable for any forbidden content that slipped through. that can also be used as a form of blackmailing.
Sure you can post links, but that’s not the topic of the forum, and it’s not specific the a xountrybor market, which is also a factor right now with the UK law, so it doesnt ping as a problem worth dealing with.
where did you read that it’s bthe topic of the forum that matters?
I’ve read what seems like 30+ articles and explainers about the UK law the last few days - this has some lousy (official) defintions. I think the most recent episode of Power User with Taylor Lorenz might cover some of this enough to get the overall sense.
The topics under scrutiny of the “user-to-user” site is extremely vague beyond obvious porn, but it amounts to if it allows the sharing of links of basic news of any topic, it counts. Because in terms of categorizing “harmful content” for minors, seeing fucking protests happening anywhere, at all is “controversial adult content.” But if the links are limited to a very specific topic, say Honda Ridgeline owners, privacy and cyber nerd shit no one cares about) etc., cooking, and other innocuous things, it’s a grey zone that doesn’t demand compliance. YMMV, but even for a fascist wannabe set of policies can’t justify “harmful” material for kids with a Linux forum or a forum for owners of the Honda Ridgeline (WTF?)
ok but my point is that if someone posts a protest article link to the honda forum, then, as I understand, the forum will become legally liable for that too. so if the forum guarantee that the link won’t even get publicly visible for a second, that’s when they don’t need to do age verification
Forums have mods and admins. As long as they don’t allow a topic habitually then, per my understanding for the UK law right now, that would make it exempt.
Compliance with the ID law is actually quite expensive if you contract Persona as the ID checker. If 1 user of a site not based in tje UK or about UK things posting 1 news article a mod deletes in 10 minutes is enough to trigger a $50,000 compliance contact, then it’s enough to be amazing standing for an easily won lawsuit about burdens on small business.
Only once every couple of years! Wow you’ve got it good!!
will a headshot from thispersondoesnotexist.com work?
The first picture I got was a boy, so no, I don’t think it’ll work every time.
Lol no
Article is paywalled.
Yeah I tried to get archive.org working with it but no dice.
archive.is/…/age-verification-is-coming-for-the-w…
Thanks!
archive.is/…/age-verification-is-coming-for-the-w…
There we go again. The internet is already broken.
You must provide your age and DNA sample too
95% of the time reader mode bypasses the paywall and this is one of those times
Thanks babe
Tor, and mesh networks. Every article brings me closer to going hard just for the lulz.
Ok, do any good mesh networks exist today that people actually use? I’d love to invest in some hardware and join some form of this.
Well, the internet is a mesh network and is pretty good.
You know what I mean lol. Consumer owned at least. Lorawan? Helium? I think those are two.
I have personally never found tech articles arousing in that way
Speak for yourself… 🥴
Maybe the whole corporate internet. Unless we’re forced into aol style portals by the death of net neutrality i think most of the lemmy user base will be fine. Shout-out to /c/selfhosted for those looking to get ahead of the permission gate.
oh no, the world will find out I’m 50. oh the shame, oh the horror.
Problem is, this isn’t about getting your age, it’s about identifying you online.
And they will know what you look like. And with some data extrapolation where you are, where you go, your searches, what you’re into, your payment methods, where you live, your schedule, who you interact with, and the list goes on.
This is one more data point for big brother to collect and share with the highest bidder, or to get leaked to people who do not have your best interests in mind.
And when some data is leaked, your id will be with it.
Dumbest possible response someone could’ve made. How have you made it to 50 without a handler?
50 and this naive?
Plot twist: they’re 17 and covering their tracks
And they know your medical conditions, your income, your likes and dislikes, your hobbies, your vices, your insecurities, your deepest desires. Fast forward 10 years and every page and site you visit will be AI generated on the spot to lead you around by the nose and which way they feel like.
“Your local team just won the championship! Buy one of their limited edition jerseys now for only one hour of your income! Act now and we won’t send videos of you jerking it to your coworker your wife is super jealous of. If you pay for express shipping we’ll disable your home security and quietly sneak in and hang it in your closet, even while you sleep! Just kidding! We bought all of this for you anyway, because we own your drug store and we would’ve just withheld your insulin until you bought a jersey… I mean TWO jerseys.”
Youngster, you don’t know what you’re saying
Yeah, I’m older than you.
We’re heading back to the dreams of the 90s with people running websites on non-standard ports and DNS (new rinky dink decentralized DNS?). Take a performance and usability hit for the return of a more decentralized Internet. Probably still more usable than the early internet with all the lessons learned and tools available to modern developers. We can also bring back the term: web master
There are already far more people in raw numbers on various federated/non-commercial/self-hosted/indie web stuff than there ever were on the early web- it just takes a little effort to find it.
Yeah I find that so annoying.
refer my comment on the parent comment
You can start here Marginalia - Indie Web Directory
See you guys in I2P.
Or ZeroNet
What’s up on ZeroNet these days?
I don’t know what on there, but I do know that age verification is not on there, so…
Is that project still alive? Their git repo hasn’t been updated in years.
What a throwback. I was on there but then it stopped suddenly.
I was hoping it still lived on, and had improved bootstrapping and search.
What’s I2P?
It’s the name of the invisible Internet protocol.
It’s pretty much like tor, but more geared towards services hosted as hidden services. It doesn’t have a proper way to hide you if you want to visit “normal” websites.
But it has its own torrents and stuff :)
Oh neat!
Better start downloading the important documents now
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You’d be first in jail
For what ? Opposing pedos.
For the csam on your hard drive you projecting freak
I was Today years old when I found out what that abbreviation means. The fact that you know it so well is alarming Sam
Who let the Trumper in?
If Hating pedos = Trumper then consider me one. Mind your p3do self I’m not even from the USA
Can’t tell if meth addict or rage bot.
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Hell no. Just use decentralized apps, fediverse etc. It's not about "protecting" children. It's about full control and power. So don't give up.
It’s about the information vacuum. Now every service will get your ID or photo, giving them both age and a whole sort of other metrics to build a profile on you. And yes, Lenny.ca doesn’t know that about me.
Sure but it would be trivial for a company to build profiles on people using public apps like Lemmy.
But not necessarily link it to your other accounts or real identity, which is the point.
Unless you are one of the extreme privacy people, like deep into freakaziod territory, the folks who build tracking / id systems would maybe need an afternoon to go from your Lemmy username to your home address and underwear size.
For my account sure. I use the same username most places. But it’s also reasonable to have a fairly decent Lemmy account that’s decoupled from all your other online accounts. Use a temp email provider, VPN, and proper browser and you’re most of the way there.
There is a lot of information in the way you type and the topics you choose to discuss. More than we suspect.
If it was so trivial why would they even bother making everyone show their IDs?
Not a static target. What we consider a profile today is vastly more comprehensive than what was deemed sufficient a few decades ago. Ad networks today would put intelligence agencies back then to shame. They can always get more info. Adding biometric face data is useful to them. In a few more decades people might be talking about if Google and governments should be allowed to read your thoughts. The tech making this possible is already being developed and further along than many might expect.
I gotta be honest I thought I’d never be able to quit Reddit. But it was a lot easier when I just did it. If this shit becomes the norm, I’ll back out of a site first time they try that shit and block the site. Maybe I’ll just have to stop using the internet. Wouldn’t that be a net positive on my life. You made me do this, capitalism.
This is a problem with Government not an economic system. It’s about control, not dollars, pounds, or yuan.
But this scene was set by capitalism. The family friendly, market friendly internet is the basis for this entire issue. Yeah, government is the one finally pulling the trigger on sanctioned, total control, but we’ve been surveilled and profiled and censored for decades at this point by countless corporations for ad dollars. We’ve gone through the cycles of outrage and acquiescence and outrage and acquiescence as things have gotten worse and worse—same goes for the quality of politician, all bought and paid for by telecom companies neutering everything we can do to make the market and internet more favorable while the politicians got worse and worse and we began accepting it and just laughing it off.
And here we are. Don’t be fooled, this is 100% at the feet of capitalism.
Yeah “family friendly” = advertisable.
Capitalism runs on top of government. Governments create and enforce the notion that a human, or a fictional human with fractional ownership (corporation), can in turn own arbitrarily large and important objects.
This is often done at the behest of said arbitrarily-large-and-important-thing-owners, who also come up with other similarly terrible ideas to have the government do.
Yeah so what could possibly go wrong when every site you want to use has your ID and passport etc.
To be fair, that’s not how it will work. The site and the identity verifier will be two different things, the verifier only attests that you are not underage and the site doesn’t get your identity.
Still harmful though, because you can be sure that there will be scamsites redirecting people to fake but real looking verifiers for blackmail and identity theft purposes.
I for one will never put my ID or photo into any age verifier ever.
Those apps and / or the fediverse itself would get sued into the ground and shut down one app or server at a time. There’s nothing stopping any Governments authorities from going after servers inside their borders and there’s nothing stopping them from “harmonizing” identity verification restrictions among other countries. They’ve already done it once with Intellectual Property law.
This push to de-anonymize the Internet isn’t new either. Microsoft started this back in the oughts with their Passport / Digital-ID program. Google and Meta, along with others, long ago launched their own versions and it’s why you can sign into so many websites with a Google or Facebook account.
It’s generally referred to as IdP and now that the Internet has been fully corporatized, with minor holdouts, you can bet your bippy that the days of anonymous access are ending.
You’d need to decentralize the Internet itself. Good luck with that one…
What do you mean by that? Most of the infrastructure that makes up the internet is owned by like 6 companies.
I2p exists
So do a million different forms of encryption. That doesn’t make the infrastructure any less centralized. If the people who own the fiber decide to only allow pre-approved types of traffic to cross their networks then it doesn’t make any difference what sort of protocols exist. Building free cross-country or subsea fiber routes is not economically viable and the internet doesn’t exist without them.
Please look into how i2p works. It’s not just some form of encryption.
Please explain how you can bypass carrier enforced traffic shaping policy.
From geti2p.net:
The people involved in the project you’re referring to acknowledge that governments can, by influencing carrier policy, disrupt and subvert the project’s intended function. Why then are you implying they are incorrect?
You are arguing a different point here than you were above and I’m not going to entertain the misdirect.
Perhaps you misunderstood my point in your haste to make a complicated problem seem simple but no, my argument has not changed.
This could give some helpful insights: github.com/redecentralize/alternative-internet?ta…
While there are interesting projects in that list, everything that I see is either only useful in a local setting, like wireless mesh networks and their derivative protocols, or assumes that no one is actively restricting what can be transmitted over the privately owned long haul fiber networks that make up the backbone of the internet. How would someone in Seattle transmit more data than can be sent via a ham radio equivalent signal to someone in New York without the use of those fiber networks?
That’s a very different story than requiring I’d for some websites
No it isn’t. Either traffic is allowed to flow freely or it isn’t. Once you start down the “isn’t” path there’s not much that can be done to get around the fact that a few people control a huge chunk of the infrastructure.
GAFAM holds a large chunk of social media HTTP/S traffic, plus cloud crap. That’s all application layer.
Do they own main trunk IP routers too?
They do wade into the IP / transport territory a bit but those are not the 6 companies I was referring to. I was thinking of Verizon / AT&T / Lumen / Zayo / etc.
Those for sure… in the US.
Which international ties to they have? I know Vodafone is present in a lot of countries (the brand, it’s a different company altogether in each country) but don’t know many more… nor do i know of any that has a global monopoly of network nodes.
Lumen and Verizon both have subsea cable connections to Europe. EXA Infrastructure is in the process of acquiring Aqua Comms, both of which own subsea cables. Google, MS, and Meta have all invested in subsea infrastructure to varying degrees as well. These are not monopolies in the classic sense of the word but they’re not exactly owned by benevolent interests either.
That said, the point is that a malicious government with sufficient pull, for example the current Trump administration, wouldn’t have to bully very many people to severely limit the flow of information between North America and Europe. So much of the internet depends on US infrastructure that this wouldn’t be terribly far off from censoring the entire internet. In that scenario there isn’t much that can be done about it. Europe can control their own information flow to Asia and Africa but at minimum this would be a severe disruption for a significant amount of time. Other entities might take such an opportunity to impose their own restrictions and make the situation even worse.
If only there was a non-commercial, decentralized way of doing the same thing we are already doing. Perhaps make it free too. Hmmm
Last time I checked, the p!rate bay still exists. In fact there are many of them. Because the website itself is open source. The same could be done with any other site. If one gets taken down, two more pop up in it’s place.
While true, most sites do not have the fame of the pirate bay and will not see anywhere near the same number of fans hosting remakes, even if the source is available.
Time to self-host your own instances. Sites like yunohost try to make it easy.
Also apps that don’t need servers. Switched to this for staying in touch with family p2p, works surprisingly well keet.io
Do they publish their protocol or how it works anywhere? Their site didn’t seem to have much technical info at first glance
docs.pears.com
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Got this response from one of the developers:
Looks like a routing issue, it works when navigated to from the index page without a full reload.
Its a server configuration issue. If you have a SPA even server side frameworks that uses native paths you need to configure the server to send all requests to the main application. You’ll find documentation of how to do this in the setup for every framework I’ve run into.
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All it takes is one snapshot of legislator’s IDs put online to poke a hole into this balloon.
Back when the govt here started incentivizing people to ask for receipts the Prime Minister’s fiscal ID was made public and the fucker starting having a lot of receipts in his name.
Good bye corporate internet. I won’t miss you
I will cancel my subscription
They intend to tie a name to every keystroke
Google already changed logged out YouTube to a single row of recommendations and a button to login on roku and Android shield when it used to look like the logged in version just a couple weeks ago. Probably the kick I needed to get off, mostly just using it for a couple smaller call-in/debate streamers I can switch to a podcast or other version.
I got this update on my smart TV, and I don't think Google realizes how much of an improvement it is. It's unintentionally the best thing the app has ever done.
Finally, no more fucking clickbait clutter all over the screen. I already just search for the channels I want to watch anyway. I love it.
Lol no it isn’t.
People have killed for less
That won’t matter when everything becomes paywalled.
Can you have age verification and still be anonymous on the Internet? (Fixed fukted typo)
the fuck happened to you at the end there
Sounds like they’re asking about anonymous amicable anuities, and the answer is no, those are regulated by the SEC (or whatever investment governing body in your area), so you can’t legally buy an anuity anonymously, even if it’s amicable.
Ha ha ha, 🤣
No.
Well, technically yes, but that’s not happening.
And that kinda sucks, because that could actually be useful. For instance, you could set up a forum for people above the age of 40 or whatever while still letting everyone post pseudonymously. A third party public service that can blindly attest that a person is over a certain age could be a great and convenient thing. It’s difficult to imagine such a thing happening, though.
Sure, but it’ll be used by pearl-clutchers to enforce their morality on others.
Right, I’m imagining it as a service set up to be used if wanted/needed with no broad mandate. There are people running NSFW sites and channels that genuinely do not want minors interacting or accessing, and many would integrate this type of verification voluntarily if there was trust that it worked correctly and did not collect and distribute data about individuals. But I agree, that’s not what is on offer. So far from the UK it seems like they are letting private businesses figure it out.
Right, I understand the idea, it’s just very common that any capability that is created will be misused.
Yes, but the legislation specifically rules out that technology. The purpose is to remove anonymity.
If this happens they should check ID at church too seeing as how children are much more likely to be abused or groomed by someone there.
the simulatenous legislaiton from all countries seems very suspicious of a certain foreign adversary backing such motives. this isnt the first things like this happened. just a hunch.
“The horrible things being done to me byy government must be the fault of evil foreigners.”
“We need to flood the zone, to overwhelm and burn out the activists!” - Steve Bannon
If by “foreign adversary” you mean the US, that might even be true.
I assumed they meant aliens.
Illegal aliens.
If it comes to Lemmy, I quit. I’ll go touch grass all day, I don’t mind.
I will move to freenet, i2p and tor
Tor was a U.S. government supported service and guess who pulled the plug on it.
Really? I haven’t really used Tor but I can’t find anything about that. What happened?
Current US administration stopped funding it as part of their slide towards corporate-driven dystopia, I believe. Tor itself is still out there, just a little more strapped for cash than it used to be.
Using it from time to time and hosting a relay. Works and has been improving over the years imo
The Naval Research Laboratory invented onion routing and open sourced the code.
I don’t see how anybody could come for lemmy. I feel this just attacks centralized services
If they threaten server admins with legal action based on the global user count of lemmy rather than their local server user count I’m sure plenty of owners will fold.
Lemmy is probably not complying with UK law already. But if hosted outside the UK you can just ignore them.
Some instances have blocked the UK but you can also just ignore it because wtf are they going to do
Lemmy is still very centralized, sure there are many servers and that takes care of the /u/spez problem but very little else, most topic generally have one big community and it’s on the one big server
You can go elsewhere, if you like speaking into the void and nobody even hearing you.
Which you can follow from another server, what’s your point?
the one big moderating boot, that you cannot escape
but don’t worry,
the boot loves you,
the boot works for you,
it only wants the best for you
as it pummels your face into the ground
for your own good
Whever this happens, fuck this shit im out…
If that isn’t already shorthand for “whenever, wherever, whatever” it should be.
i2p lemmy is going to be great!
Suppose true, then we’ll reduce the use of “the whole Internet”.
OK, we won’t, no tools yet.
I really love Briar, except it’s functionally not quite there yet, and the desktop kind of such application synchronized with neighboring ships, so to say, with a delay-tolerant Web alternative, would be good. Over various links and media.
Anyway, it’s not a technical problem, it’s a social problem. Not really different from ID checks on the streets and everywhere you go in the city, except much of the city got virtualized. And ID checks on the streets are automated by cameras everywhere and face recognition.
Social problems are resolved in the legal, social, protest, civil war fields.
Except on the internet, you can still create your own street with your own rules.
If you buy\rent a house (suppose) intended as, well, housing, and make a family diner there without registration, you will break the law.
They can easily do this with the Internet.
Yes, the EU with their draconian and dystopian plans just go over our heads and do it.
All quiet and sneaky, no articles in the sold out press, only small specific outlets or sites that investigate privacy or tech.
Time to buy Death Stranding 2 I guess
There’s fucking off, then there’s what the government can do. It’
This is why the Dark-web exists.
Did I miss anything ?
Freenet is now hyphanet, fyi.
Get your coat, we’re leaving.
The ruling class is eager to make it so the only way to fight back against them is with bullets.
They don’t know what they’re in for.
I don’t know what they are thinking, but i protect my ID data more than i protect my credit card data.
No one needs the internet outside of work. The moment I’m forced to show my ID or get my face scanned, I’m done for good.
As someone with a disability (and no car), the internet has played a massive role in allowing me to live independently, which in turn has a profoundly positive impact on my mental health. There are a wide variety of circumstances in which the internet has enhanced life experience - let’s not throw the baby out with the bathwater.
I’m sorry. I suppose I should have said “I don’t need the internet outside of work.”
All good! There’s probably far more people in your boat than mine; it was a pretty natural conclusion to draw 🙂
Remember guys, they cared about the kids and their online safety as soon as Israel started a genocide in Gaza and they lost control of the narrative. But they didn’t care at all for the past 20 years when Epstein and his buddies were running rampant.
edit: clarity
It’s fucking ironic that this article is asking me to register just to read it.
Can was please fucking stop needing accounts to exist online? So fucking dumb
web.archive.org/…/age-verification-is-coming-for-…
Way Back Machine is your friend. I don’t visit sites directly anymore.
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Does anyone vaguely remember those internet licenses from that Star Trek DS9 episode when they went back in time but it was the near future from the 80s perspective meaning that it’s actually today?
We’re going to have internet licenses soon
They’re called contracts with your ISP, they’ve been around for a while now.
I think we need to organise a massive campaign for people to cancel their entire Isp for at least a month, I’m betting all this would get reversed almost overnight.
Anything but that I fear they win and we all end up on the darknet.
Uh huh. People are addicted. I’d bet even the people with petabyte home media systems will go into withdrawal within picoseconds after not being able to get more more more more more more
Better would be to reject sites like reddit. Make them suffer instead.
Nah the government would love for nobody to have access to the internet lol
The US government created the internet
It is so complicated that you’re both correct and incorrect. US government added to it, yes. I’d argue the fundamental work was independent researchers from multiple countries (UK, USA, France). I’d argue the critical infrastructure was multiple non-profits.
Also the question is “what exactly is the beginning of the internet”. Is it usenet? Telnet? Arpanet?
Didn’t it all start at DARPA?
Nope. The US government Department of Defense literally funded and created the internet. It was initially called Arpanet and was mainly US government sites. This is why few people use the .us domain. Because the initial domains .gov, .mil, .org etc were all USA sites. Usenet is independent and does not require the internet and telnet is simply one program using the internet. Most of the core TCP/IP technology was created and funded by DOD also although it is possible some of it was pre-existing.
No. The internet has so many beginnings that it is impossible to say only one group created it.
The internet, like its design, is a co-operation between many different groups.
It goes back even further than 1777, where the French mechanical telegraph was the first way to send long distance messages. And therefore is considered as one of the beginnings of the of the internet.
Or in 1830 where Brits invented a way to send electronic messages over copper cables.
Or in 1860 where they started laying sea cables to connect landmasses.
It is typical that the US claims to have invented something when it is clearly a collaborative effort.
www.youtube.com/watch?v=pJU-KYMREbQ
I never claimed that other countries do not do valuable things, but these things are not the internet.
I’m talking about something very specific: the Internet. It was created by the US DOD in the 1960’s. Without that happening what would have likely developed are a bunch of private networks like Compuserve, AOL, MSN etc that charge us by the hour.
Why is it important to you to revise history on this particular topic? Creating the internet was not even a collaborative effort within the USA. It was done entirely by one single government agency, the Department of Defense. Nobody is saying Europeans never invented anything. Just not the internet.
It has exactly one beginning. In 1969. It wasn’t even connected over the Atlantic until 1973.
www.sciencemuseum.org.uk/…/arpanet-internet
That is an interesting point of view. Very USA exceptional. It’s also dumbed down a lot. ARPANET is a computer network, but it’s not internet, nor it was the first. It kickstarted popularity of computer networks in the USA and provided first FTP and (I think) first remote login.
Popularity of computer networks in USA definitely was a formative quality over the 20 years of international development of the Internet.
But saying ARPANET was the internet is like saying gramophone is Netflix.
First computer network to send packets to another computer was British NPL network. Then US government founded ARPANET, built upon that. Except that DARPA besides having own researchers outsourced to Stanford, BBN and University College of London (“How the Internet Came to Be”, quoting I forgot whom from DARPA).
Then French Cyclades computer network built upon ARPANET and proposed that multiple networks should be able to communicate with each other.
Then USA non-profit IEEE looked at all that proposed TCP/IP for cross-network communication, and that is the thing that (after many iterations over a decade) led to the Internet not being separate networks like AOL or Computerverse or whatever.
Now we’re getting closer to the internet and it’s time for en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Public_data_network
First was Spain with RETD , then France, then USA with Telenet. Then Canada. Then in 1978 we started connecting those separate networks. I think the first properly working project was …wikipedia.org/…/International_Packet_Switched_Se… between British post office and USA post office.
On those public data networks the Internet’s physical layer was built.
In USA U.S. National Science Foundation was founding more and more computer networks, including CSNET. That’s still not internet. It’s 1980 and it will take a decade of new inventions (Ethernet, LAN, DNS) and improvements & implementations (like to TCP/IP) before we will get the internet.
Here’s a nifty source for that decade, because I spent 50 minutes writing this post before I noticed I’m arguing with a guy over the internet about the internet.
en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_Internet (there is a nice timeline list there).
TCP/IP is not “the Internet”.
The Arpanet IS the Internet. THE ARPANET IS THE NETWORK THAT WAS LATER RENAMED “INTERNET”. Did you really think that the internet just blinked into existence with millions of nodes? LMFAO. No, it had to start small and get big, as common sense dictates. UCLA, ARC, UCSB, and the University of Utah School of Computing are literally the very first 4 nodes of the internet. We know exactly how, where, and when the internet started because we know what the very first 4 internet nodes are.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ARPANET
[The first four nodes were designated as a testbed for developing and debugging the 1822 protocol, which was a major undertaking. While they were connected electronically in 1969, network applications were not possible until the Network Control Protocol was implemented in 1970 enabling the first two host-host protocols, remote login (Telnet) and file transfer (FTP) which were specified and implemented between 1969 and 1973.[10][11][65] The network was declared operational in 1971. Network traffic began to grow once email was established at the majority of sites by around 1973.[12] Initial four hosts First ARPANET IMP log: the first message ever sent via the ARPANET, 10:30 pm PST on 29 October 1969 (6:30 UTC on 30 October 1969). This IMP Log excerpt, kept at UCLA, describes setting up a message transmission from the UCLA SDS Sigma 7 Host computer to the SRI SDS 940 Host computer The initial ARPANET configuration linked UCLA, ARC, UCSB, and the University of Utah School of Computing. The first node was created at UCLA…]
Would you stop with the nonsense? Gramophones were never renamed “netflix”. LOL…
Would you again stop with the nonsense? Everyone with common sense knows that the internet did not just blink into existence with a million domains. Obviously it had to start small and grow from there. The internet was created in 1969, not 1980. The very first internet connection occurred on 30 October 1969. The first 4 internet nodes were: UCLA, ARC, UCSB, and the University of Utah. Just because the internet originally had a different name does not change in the slightest exactly when, how, and where it began.
No. Earliest cross node connection was early 1969: en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/NPL_network
researchgate.net/…/237130669_How_the_Internet_cam…
This is the book be Vincent Cerf where he explains that ARPANET isn’t the Internet. Good to know that the people who created the Internet are wrong.
I get it. You were taught in school that US government created the internet. It’s a good explanation to the 4th grader. It’s also simplistic and incorrect, but that’s how elementary schools teach. It’s like that with a lot of knowledge, it becomes more nuanced the more you know about it.
Your own link proves my case. No where in your link does Cerf say that the Arpanet was not the beginning of the internet. If fact, he indicates the opposite of that.
[While still at DARPA, I formed an Internet Configuration Control Board…]
You would only have a leg to stand on if there was a moment in history when 2 or more similar sized networks combined to form the internet. But that is not what happened. What happened is that the Arpanet formed in 1969 with 4 nodes, and over the next 56 years grew bigger and bigger and bigger until there were billions of nodes. And it did that mostly by adding individual nodes. When it got too big for DARPA to manage it all, the name was changed from Arpanet to Internet.
No, when I first started using the internet in 1982 when the internet had hundreds of nodes, I learned how this network was created by using FTP to get the papers that described it. But I get it. You watched a youtube video that covered the entire 56 year history of the internet and you got confused about the difference between the creation of the internet and the entire history of the internet.
[The NPL network, or NPL Data Communications Network, was a local area computer network]
Why did you even post this link? Your link literally refers to a “LOCAL area network”. The Arpanet/internet is a global network, not a local network. Your own links keep proving my points.
What we are discussing is the BEGINNING and CREATION of the internet, not the entire 56 year history of the internet. The internet did not start as a gigantic network with millions or billions of nodes. It started with 4 specific nodes in 1969 and then grew from there, and we both know that. The beginning was crucial because if there had never been a beginning in 1969 funded by the US DOD called Arpanet, there never would have been an Internet. There would have been no early network for later nodes to join. It’s possible that a large network would have eventually developed, but it likely would have happened by merging together private networks like AOL and MSN and Compuserve. And it would have been much more top down controlled and much more expensive and much less useful.
I mean, wouldn’t lemmy qualify as darknet because it isn’t the top 10 websites? We should be growing the Federation anyways so I’m down for that. At least they won’t ban me for making Trump jokes.
If it doesnt show up on page 2 it doesnt exist lol
I think thats more the deep web than the dark web 😄
Soon there won’t be pages, just AI summarized slop.
Its already like that on certain websites like google. Do these companies think we are all tech illiterate olds?
No, Darknet is just a website that’s not listed anywhere. Lemmy is listed in many places.
Not sure about what the norms are where you live, but most people in the US have to sign 1-year agreements for Internet service, and those who don’t typically either pay more or would pay before because they’re on a cheaper, older rate that is grandfathered in and is no longer offered by the Internet service provider.
I pay for mine in cash, they don’t even know my name.
You can do that in the US as well, but it will cost more because you wouldn’t be agreeing to a fixed term. For example, my ISP charges $25 a month for 200 mb/s if you agree to a one-year term, but it’s $40 a month if you do not agree to a one-year term. And there’s also the added inconvenience of having to go to one of the ISP’s physical stores every month and put cash into their kiosk.
They will ask for your name here when signing up, but nothing prevents you from lying about your name if you’re going to be paying in cash. They ask for an e-mail address as well, but you can say you haven’t got one, and they’ll create one for you using their own e-mail service and assign it to you. You don’t actually have to use it, but it is for receiving their bills and notices.
Hahaha
Good luck doing that.
People can’t even delay their non-essential shinies to make a statement against price gouging/raising bullshit… You think they’re gonna willingly sacrifice something like internet? for a month?
I work from home. If I cancel my Internet connection, I can’t work.
The real goal is to eliminate anonymity from the internet.
It’s about control. They can grant you access or revoke it based on your id.
The powers at be hate that they can’t control the narrative as well as they used to so this is their solution.
this is backwards. why can’t publishers mark pages as child-friendly and then browsers and operating systems can have a child-friendly mode that parents (or whoever the authoritarians are) can use. Laws can target people misusing the child-friendly mode.
It’s not about actually protecting children. It’s about data.
This is the correct answer. Notice that they have no compunction about punishing parents who secure gender-affirming care for their trans kids, but there has been zero discussion of holding parents responsible for their kids’ internet usage.
Far-right groups in the US have been crying “Big Brother” about everything for years because their whole plan has been to create a surveillance state where to gather information about dissenters. Every accusation is a confession with these people.
They’re using children as human shields while they attack our human rights.
The purpose is to protect the mainstream media.
No it’s not, maybe for some mainstream websites. Saying the “whole internet” is clickbait hyperbole.
They mean most of the internet for most people Only the vast socially relevant parts of the internet
elite nerds who use lemmy will be able to circumvent
if the snobs are fine, why care?
those people kvetching about how the endless September ruined everything will have their wish
Well if they enslave everyone else, we are going to feel it too, no matter what cracks of the system we hide in
www.abc.net.au/news/2025-07-11/…/105516256
It’s the Internet. There are internets, but just one Internet.
For some people “the whole internet” is like half a dozen websites.
I worked in tech support. For some people Facebook is the internet
Gotta show me the relevant RFC for BGP first.
What sucks is that once these laws are in place repealing them will probably never happen. There are far too many people who will benefit financially from this to allow that to happen.
They’re making it so that vigilante justice is the only form of justice the ruling class can receive.
Orly? Can you give me a couple of examples?
I’m opposed to this trend myself, btw. But I just interpreted as a bit of pointless over regulation by a bunch of populist nanny-statists. You’re telling me there’s financial interests involved as well?
There are companies to store and process IDs on behalf on the sites. Also it will give a hell of a lot more information to marketers who will pay tons for it to sell you crap they think you need. They already have far too much information on everyone already, but this will give them even more.
Yeah, probably not.
What a failure of an idea.
There, FTFY
Seems to me, there’s no real way to age verify people. This is pointless.
Want ID? Kids can just upload a fake one.
The app wants access to your phone’s camera, so it can use ai to assess your age? Well I don’t know for certain, but I’m 99.9% there’s probably a way to trick your phone into using a virtual camera, showing images of a middle-aged man.
What ever method of age verification, someone will figure out a way to trick it, and kids will be onto the trick very quickly.
That’s what I’m thinking. There goes the Internet.