fubo@lemmy.world
on 20 Sep 2023 21:06
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A Google spokesperson told Motherboard in a statement at the time of the unionization that it had “no objection to these Cognizant workers electing to form a union,” but that it would not bargain with them. “We are not a joint employer as we simply do not control their employment terms or working conditions—this matter is between the workers and their employer, Cognizant,” the spokesperson said.
NLRB seems to disagree. This will be an interesting case, I suspect …
plz1@lemmy.world
on 20 Sep 2023 21:17
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So Google, like Amazon, is trying to play the “they work for a subcontractor that only supports us, so it’s their fault, not ours” card. I really want to see the NLRB smack this pattern down hard and set an example for all the other companies to try to avoid unionization by way of not directly hiring people.
CheezyWeezle@lemmy.world
on 20 Sep 2023 23:12
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NLRB changed their criteria for what is considered co-employment last month, widely broadening the definitions used to determine this status. Essentially, if a company has significant control (not just exclusive control) over any of a worker’s employment status or conditions, then they are considered a co-employer now. It used to be that a company needed exclusive or overriding control over another company’s employees to be considered a co-employer.
I’m certain we are going to see more lawsuits and legal challenges from employees because of this. I’m pretty certain there already are lawsuits from some other Google contractors over this exact thing; they are providing a case that Google is their co-employer due to the control they have over every aspect of their work.
That’s excellent news, especially for the employees of Amazon subcontractors handling warehouse and delivery operations.
The_Mixer_Dude@lemmus.org
on 21 Sep 2023 12:31
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Doesn’t appear so, seems Google is okay with them unionizing. According to a ruling from a while back Google is required to bargain with the union just as much as cognizant is but it appears cognizant is the one which is unwilling to bargain with the workers. Google’s track record with workers leads me to believe that they have no issue with workers unionizing.
CheezyWeezle@lemmy.world
on 21 Sep 2023 18:24
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What planet are you living on? Did you read the article? Or even the headline? Google is constantly union busting, and this article explicitly states that Google is refusing to bargain with the bargaining unit, despite court rulings that they are required to.
The only reason why they say they dont care about these people unionizing is because they fully intend on ignoring the union. They believe they can appeal the decision that they are required to bargain and win.
The_Mixer_Dude@lemmus.org
on 21 Sep 2023 18:55
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Yeah I read this article and other sources on the subject that give more details. Google has said they support them organizing but it’s not up to them. As far as I’m aware Google is the only tech giant that has an employee workers union
CheezyWeezle@lemmy.world
on 21 Sep 2023 19:05
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Well you absolutely know wrong lmao the Alphabet Workers Union is not recognized by NLRB, and Amazon’s Workers Union is. Apple also has some unionization, as do several video game developers and support companies.
Google has said they support them unionizing because they think it will not affect them at all. Maybe go look into the handful of people who have attempted to formally unionize at Google and see how they have all been fired. Then try and tell me Google supports unionization.
The_Mixer_Dude@lemmus.org
on 21 Sep 2023 19:20
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Amazon Warehouse and delivery drivers unionizing is not similar to the situation that the YouTube Music workers are dealing with and aren’t the same as what the Alphabet union is but I’m glad you feel like undermining alphabet users achieving what they have but you are fully into recognizing two Apple retail stores barely passing and neglecting to mention their constant Union busting and propaganda. Thanks for supporting workers!
CheezyWeezle@lemmy.world
on 21 Sep 2023 21:11
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Two things: for one, I work at Google and am part of the AWU, so fuck you.
And for two, please explain exactly how amazon unionization is so fundamentally different from AWU unionization? Is it because AWU seeks to represent workers from every contractor/vendor alongside actual full time Googlers? Or what?
The_Mixer_Dude@lemmus.org
on 21 Sep 2023 21:33
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Yeah you know what. You are just a shit human. Good luck my guy I’m not gonna waste my time with your vile bullshit
CheezyWeezle@lemmy.world
on 21 Sep 2023 22:30
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Lmao you’ve got nothing, that’s why you aren’t gonna waste your time. You tried saying I dont support workers or some shit when I’m part of the fucking union you just claimed me to be undermining. Maybe join and support a union yourself? I wouldn’t stoop as low as calling you a shit human, but you are severely misguided.
The_Mixer_Dude@lemmus.org
on 22 Sep 2023 02:53
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No because I’m not gonna argue with a short asshole who just makes up shit to try to win internet arguments.
CheezyWeezle@lemmy.world
on 22 Sep 2023 11:07
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And what do you think I’ve made up to win an argument? You are making a lot of baseless claims here, looks like you are the one making up shit
The_Mixer_Dude@lemmus.org
on 22 Sep 2023 17:45
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Lol what would I have made up? That makes no sense
CheezyWeezle@lemmy.world
on 22 Sep 2023 20:07
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You made up me making up stuff. I never misrepresented anything in my comments, so your claim that I have made stuff up is a lie.
half_built_pyramids@lemmy.world
on 22 Sep 2023 19:42
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Sup bro, I hired nlbl whatever. They have a guy that’ll come fuck you in the ass and shit in your mouth every night. Don’t like it? Not my problem, talk to nlbl.
Oh, and I support you union and whatever.
CheezyWeezle@lemmy.world
on 22 Sep 2023 20:08
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Did you remember to take your medications?
Oh and thanks for the support
half_built_pyramids@lemmy.world
on 22 Sep 2023 20:30
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Oh, I don’t actually care about unions or supporting them. I just want you to eat shit. nlbr is a scape goat for that.
CheezyWeezle@lemmy.world
on 22 Sep 2023 20:46
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You do understand that your comments are incomprehensible, right? Do you need someone to call a doctor?
You can go ahead and stay wanting tho, as I’m sure you are used to.
And what is an nlbr? Or nlbl? It seriously appears that you are suffering from an aneurysm.
gibmiser@lemmy.world
on 20 Sep 2023 21:48
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Megacorps can get fucked. Pay your employees well or deal with the consequences.
Nobody@lemmy.world
on 21 Sep 2023 14:14
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NLRB contact details If workers provide a service, they should be allowed to bargain collectively to be adequately paid for that service. Full stop.
Google will simply find a different contractor company. Problem solved.
FartsWithAnAccent@lemmy.world
on 20 Sep 2023 21:22
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Google: Don’t be evil.PROFIT UBER ALLES!!!
moriarty@lemm.ee
on 20 Sep 2023 21:24
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A Cognizant spokesperson told Motherboard in an email, “We have received the Alphabet Workers Union’s request for a Cognizant bargaining representative. The request put forward was for both Cognizant and Google to bargain. While we respect our associates’ rights to unionize, we firmly believe Cognizant is the sole employer of our associates. While the joint employer ruling remains unresolved, we cannot bargain at this time.”
“Google refuses to just admit that they are our employer, and then Cognizant is just using Google’s legal appeals as a scapegoat,” Marschner said. “That, honestly, is exactly why we filed for joint employer status in the first place. We knew that if we just tried to engage in collective bargaining with Cognizant, that’s exactly what they would do.”
Google has a shell company, Cognizant, that hires and subcontracts people to Google. When the workers unionize, they’re unionizing against cognizant, not Google. The workers are trying to say otherwise, will more than likely need a court case to sort it out.
0110010001100010@lemmy.world
on 20 Sep 2023 22:06
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Cognizant is very much NOT a Google shell company, they are a third-party contractor with business in healthcare, tech, energy, insurance, education, etc.
This isn’t right. Cognizant are a well known systems integrator. In Australia alone recently they bought out some of the best local SIs just to get presence - contino and Servian, with a rumoured third (versent) on the way…
Theyre a body shop looking to grow their born in the cloud generstion of engineers.
negativeyoda@lemmy.world
on 20 Sep 2023 21:26
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I’m very much pro-union, but meanwhile artists and creators who made that content in the first place are getting fucked by everyone
ivanafterall@kbin.social
on 20 Sep 2023 21:31
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A YouTube creators' strike isn't an impossible notion. It'd just have to be led by a couple of big names, like a Mr. Beast type.
3laws@lemmy.world
on 20 Sep 2023 22:13
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Mr Beast is the result of the trendy gen Z libertarian millionaire pipeline. He will never unionize nor support strikes.
JackbyDev@programming.dev
on 20 Sep 2023 22:30
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There’s been enough creators that have had enough problems with YouTube that maybe something could happen. I’m not putting money on it or anything but it wouldn’t be that crazy.
Eldritch@lemmy.world
on 20 Sep 2023 23:56
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An empty platform has little value. Hundreds have gotten shut down for this very reason.
Content by and large makes the platform. Not the other way round. Yet the platform soaks up the lions share of the benefit. Leaving most who aren’t whales to see nothing at all. This is the problem google is very complicit with. I’m all for them making enough to sustain the service. I just think they owe far more than they are giving, to the content that made them.
Nebula is great. And is trundling along just fine. It could use some more promotion and love sure. But it’s goals aren’t the same as a behemoth like Google’s. Who’s talents aren’t in creating content, but promoting it.
Eldritch@lemmy.world
on 21 Sep 2023 16:15
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Creators would exist without the platform. They always have. But the platform definitely does bring value. The problem is that for a while now, greedy corporations have slowly been pushing the balance so that they received most of the benefit of everyone else’s work. It’s an overarching problem of capitalism that we need to deal with. But have been putting off for 50 to 60 years.
Creators would exist without the platform. They always have.
Not sure what you mean with this. Youtube has allowed anyone with a camera and an internet connection to put content out in the world. It was completely different back before youtube existed.
Eldritch@lemmy.world
on 21 Sep 2023 18:47
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I’ve been on the internet since 94. I know what it was like. YouTube did not create creators. People posted video to the internet long before YouTube was a thing. And long before Google owned it. Because they didn’t create it.
I’m not saying people didn’t share videos beforehand, but youtube created a platform that allowed people to do it more easily, be discovered more easily, and actually make a decent living through it. The internet landscape, especially in respect to influencers or content creators, is entirely different now than it was in the 90’s.
Eldritch@lemmy.world
on 22 Sep 2023 12:33
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So did Vimeo and dozens of others. YouTube did not get where it is by being better. Or by even being a platform. It got where it is by being bought out by a large corporate entity with near endless sums of money to back it with over the competition.
And a decade or two from now the internet is liable to be as different again from today as today was from them. And many people will be wondering Google who? Because ultimately people will remember the content not the platform.
Yes, but the backing by Google turned it into a viable career path for many creators. Name a single creator who posts to vimeo as their full time job. I’m not saying that youtube’s rise in popularity was necessarily good or ethical, I’m just saying that it is objectively better for creators over the other options.
Eldritch@lemmy.world
on 22 Sep 2023 18:51
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You’ve basically said the same thing over and over about four or five times now. And been shut down on the facts of it every single time. Aren’t you getting a little tired of that?
Publishing has existed long before Google and alphabet. And it will exist long after they’re gone. Creators don’t really owe them all that much to be honest. And yes Vimeo or other competitors could have just as easily been the ones to do what YouTube did. Because YouTube didn’t do anything. It was the leveraging of Google’s near Monopoly on search and advertisement that allowed them to guide everyone to YouTube once they owned it. Making it viable and profitable for them to share some of those profits no matter how small with the people who post. People made a living making videos long before YouTube.
You’ve basically said the same thing over and over about four or five times now. And been shut down on the facts of it every single time. Aren’t you getting a little tired of that?
Yes, I am getting tired. You consistently argue against the pretty inoffensive and commonly understood arguments I have made with completely irrelevant points. So I’ll say it one more time and see if it can finally sink in. If someone wants to get into making videos, they’ll go to youtube for better or for worse. I’m not arguing about the pros and cons of Google’s influence, I’m saying that the reality is that youtube has enabled a huge amount of people to monetize their video creation and build an audience in a way that other competitors haven’t caught up with. If you’re arguing that the landscape for video creation and publishing on the internet is the same as it was before youtube rose to prevalence, then you’re just dead wrong. Sorry.
Also, you do understand that youtube was more successful than vimeo before google’s acquisition, right? Their success is kind of the whole reason google backed them.
psud@lemmy.world
on 20 Sep 2023 23:40
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They could argue for
a greater share of the value
more certainty about being allowed to stay on the platform
Pretty much like anyone’s top two asks. More money, more security.
pavnilschanda@lemmy.world
on 21 Sep 2023 02:31
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Going with what is happening in the SAG/AFTRA strike, perhaps the big names shouldn’t join the strike because they would come across as entitled, but they are more than welcome to donate towards the strike.
foggy@lemmy.world
on 20 Sep 2023 22:24
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This is a good thread and good comment to throw this up on:
Benn Jordan, perhaps better known as “The Flashbulb” as an EDM artist, has an excellent YouTube channel. This video dives into some details on how we could get artists paid, and stop getting our art jerked around by corporations. For less than we pay to not get free healthcare healthcare, you could have access to all copyright content, ad free, and artists would be better compensated.
It’s an idea worth spreading.
Eldritch@lemmy.world
on 20 Sep 2023 23:45
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Artists, techies, and socialists need to come together. To build a platform focused on sustainability ultimately. Devoid of profit for the sake of profit. And more focused on meeting the needs of their members. No overpriced CEO or board of directors. Or layers of redundant management. Once the service costs are covered. Anything after that could be split somewhat proportionally within strict limits.
pavnilschanda@lemmy.world
on 21 Sep 2023 00:34
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I’m on board with this idea, but I’m not sure where to start.
Eldritch@lemmy.world
on 21 Sep 2023 18:39
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A lot of the basic pieces are in place. Torrenting/peer tube for distribution. Modern day royalty free codecs. Realistically the two biggest hurdles are how to monetize responsibly, and bringing people in. It’s something that in one shape or form will always require some small donation of time and resources. And it’s easier to convince someone to join a Ponzi scheme telling them you will make them wealthy. Than it is to get someone to join guaranteeing that you’ll never make them wealthy but you will try to make them secure in their lives.
ToucheGoodSir@lemy.lol
on 21 Sep 2023 01:59
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Anyone able to chime in on fileshare or w/e the crypto is that gives artists a cut per play? Has been a while since I’ve heard of it.
expatriado@lemmy.world
on 20 Sep 2023 21:41
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could they put bring the dislike count back on the demands? and make so video posters can’t delete comments, so we can call bullshit when needed? that would be nice
BigDaddySlim@lemmy.world
on 20 Sep 2023 21:50
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No they have bigger priorities, like retroactively demonitizing and removing videos that used to be just fine under the new ruse of “making everything more kid friendly” when we all know it’s to make it more advertiser friendly
BrudderAaron@lemmy.world
on 20 Sep 2023 22:15
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If only there were an app… suited for kids that google could use… One that would give them the limitations and safety they want from people and not ruin the whole site while still chasing those kid viewers.
That would be a complete trainwreck. There are already loads of spam accounts but it would be so much worse if creators couldn’t filter them out.
Shadywack@lemmy.world
on 20 Sep 2023 22:17
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I get the technicality of all this, but this could be a watershed moment. Businesses like to contract people out to move liability and cut corners in their obligations to the workers. The bottom line is that its cheaper and easier to fire whatever contractors you don’t like for any reason, and artificially push their salaries/wages down.
Look at Fedex Ground, Amazon drivers, etc. Google is now firmly in the role of the bad guy here, with Sundar Pichai making 220+ million dollars with much of it on the backs of layoffs and ethnically bankrupt business practices. I honestly think the ramifications of this in a positive way for the workers is tantamount to the formation of the UAW itself with their sitting strikes. They sat at the machines and forcibly halted production.
That needs to happen here, and all you scabs, fuck you. You can just piss off.
csolisr@communities.azkware.net
on 20 Sep 2023 22:35
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As somebody who’s been boycotting big media for years, I can’t be happier to see the copyright industry slowly backstabbing itself once and over again
orca@orcas.enjoying.yachts
on 20 Sep 2023 23:15
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What’s to stop every single corporation from leveraging third party contractor companies just to escape union bargaining? Cognizant seems like a company that basically exists for this reason. Both Amazon and Google play this game and it’s infuriating.
muddybulldog@mylemmy.win
on 20 Sep 2023 23:19
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Nothing. It’s one of the alluring aspects of using third-parties. You pay a flat fee, people do work. You avoid all the overhead of HR, benefits, workers compensation and unemployment insurance. If you want someone gone there’s no process, you simply tell the third party that Joe doesn’t need to come back to work, ever, and you’re done.
Amazon and Google are not alone in this practice, nor is it exclusive to Fortune 500 companies.
snooggums@kbin.social
on 20 Sep 2023 23:46
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Worst case you pay out what is left on the contract, but since you drove costs down it is cheaper than firing a regular worker!
I work as a contractor dev for fortune 500s. It’s wide spread. Handful of full timers, padded with contractors.
Brain drain is a real problem, but it also means there’s a culture of FTE being willing to jump through corporate hoops and on call hours, because they want to keep the FTE position instead of finding a new job every 1.5 years (in California where there are max contract lengths)
jackalope@lemmy.ml
on 21 Sep 2023 00:26
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That’s basically the current situation.
Franzia@lemmy.blahaj.zone
on 21 Sep 2023 00:56
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Dark Brandon and the NLRB are on that shit. No more malarkey.
ToucheGoodSir@lemy.lol
on 21 Sep 2023 01:57
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Hopefully people turn out in 2024 and stop us going down the 1930s Germany route… my mother recently moved to Pennsylvania from a deep red state, and was saying that due to Bidens “corruption”, she didnt think she would vote in 2024. Upon further questioning, my hyper conservative fundemantalist Christian uncle had been sending her news.
Hope my arguments convinced her otherwise, she detests Trump & the Republicans. Her vote DOES matter now. Have her set up with a variety of news websites & Firefox/ublock origin etc, and not “Townhall” garbage.
prole@sh.itjust.works
on 21 Sep 2023 12:16
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Depending on where in PA, it might be just as red as where she came from. If she’s not near Pittsburgh, or basically bordering NJ, then she’s probably in good ol Pennsyltucky.
That state really should be broken into three states, it’s way too large and it’s already divided geographically.
slurpeesoforion@startrek.website
on 21 Sep 2023 19:38
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It’s a shame that calling Uncle Tommy out for being the dumb ass he’s always been is so frowned upon, even if it’s to avoid fascism.
orca@orcas.enjoying.yachts
on 21 Sep 2023 04:02
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This is what I like to see.
jaalu@lemmy.world
on 21 Sep 2023 04:02
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Nothing (yet). Yup, this model insulates corporations of all kinds from bargaining, costs (like healthcare), liability, and much more. Check out this episode from the Pitchfork Economics podcast …google.com/…/M2JmMzVlNGMtMDk2NC0xMWVlLWFjMGUtYzc…
prole@sh.itjust.works
on 21 Sep 2023 12:14
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This is what laws and regulations are for. If we had a functioning government…
drathvedro@lemm.ee
on 22 Sep 2023 02:01
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Nothing, and they do just that. No labor laws apply to contractors and it’s practically the only way some of them can earn a decent wage, so striking is futile - they’ll just switch to other contractors.
ricecake@sh.itjust.works
on 22 Sep 2023 18:35
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Well, now you have contract bargaining with your contracting company, and those companies aren’t immune from their workers becoming disgruntled and unionizing.
kinther@lemmy.world
on 20 Sep 2023 23:26
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People use YouTube Music?
ManosTheHandsOfFate@lemmy.world
on 20 Sep 2023 23:31
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I’ll use it as long as they keep it bundled with YouTube Premium. The day they unbundle I’m out.
Yeah, if you do a fair amount of YouTube and want to support the creators without queuing up a bunch of ads it’s a pretty good deal.
Nath@aussie.zone
on 21 Sep 2023 00:00
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$10 a month to have basically every song ever and never have to worry about YouTube ads. Yes, I use it.
maniacal_gaff@lemmy.world
on 21 Sep 2023 00:20
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Right? It’s awesome.
ramirezmike@programming.dev
on 21 Sep 2023 00:23
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hah, this was me with Grooveshark.
and then I lost everything when it shut down.
and then me again with Google play music. “upload your music, we’ll keep it for you”
and then I lost everything when it shut down.
“oh it’s ok, you can just use [new service], it’s better anyway”
it just isn’t the same, you lose stuff everytime. I don’t think it’s worth it.
Elderos@lemmings.world
on 21 Sep 2023 00:52
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There’s apps to sync your stuff when you move to another platform. It won’t be perfectand certain features on certain apps are paywalled, but you should get a fairly acceptable copy of your content after using a service like this.
orca@orcas.enjoying.yachts
on 21 Sep 2023 12:26
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I used a tool that synced my Spotify playlists to Apple Music. It worked surprisingly well. I signed up the one time, moved everything over, and then made sure to cancel the service.
namingthingsiseasy@programming.dev
on 21 Sep 2023 00:57
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Grooveshark. Now that’s a name that I really miss. I’ll never stop being mad about that site being taken down.
ramirezmike@programming.dev
on 21 Sep 2023 01:50
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this hit me hard on multiple levels. There was a lot of live performances and remixes on Grooveshark that just don’t exist anymore.
But, I also lived where they were headquartered. They had started a “Grooveshark university” for local programmers to learn the ropes and it was really cool. I was self-taught but learned a lot from that experience. Such a shame
orca@orcas.enjoying.yachts
on 21 Sep 2023 12:23
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I actually met employees from the company at a conference years ago and knew people that worked there off and on. It was a pretty toxic environment and the management was basically a frat party. The office had an in-house chef for a while before they had to tighten the purse strings due to the multitude of lawsuits they were getting hit with (most of which I learned came from Sony BMG). Their team of lawyers basically worked around the clock. They also underpaid devs but had an array of talent from every level that allowed people to cut their teeth and work on some cool UI.
I used to have a ton of stuff on Grooveshark and had stuff shared to me (and vice versa) from others. It was a cool UI even if it was a little clunky at times. Great place to find obscure stuff.
You can still upload up to 100,000 tracks, I believe.
Though I’ve not personally tried to do a bulk upload since before it changed from GPM, so I don’t know if there’s still library import tools available to help with that
jeanofthedead@sh.itjust.works
on 21 Sep 2023 19:47
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There are export options for many music subscription services now, as well as apps like TuneMyMusic, Playlisty, etc. which can transfer your library and services between services.
I also get to Download videos for my flights or commute. I’m also in a big house. Family plan for 5 of us is ridiculous value to me.
nodsocket@lemmy.world
on 21 Sep 2023 01:00
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Newpipe
ilex@lemmy.world
on 21 Sep 2023 15:16
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Your mileage may vary coming up in December. The $10 crew in the US will see a 40% increase at or near the end of the year. Grandfathering is going away.
This brings the cost of Google’s video/music service to match Amazon’s video/music service. Are those services of the same quality?
Soundcloud ($10) Is the real competitor to YT-Music in my book. Both benefit from user-generated and user-uploaded content. While there is crossover, I have found more tracks on Soundcloud that aren’t on YT than the other way around.
jeanofthedead@sh.itjust.works
on 21 Sep 2023 19:46
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If by “savvy”, you mean flubbing your location to somewhere in the developing world where that’s the price point, I refuse to do that. I have no issue pretending to be in say, Germany and taking up a 75% off deal. But I won’t put myself somewhere where the regular $10-$15 price point is genuinely out of range of the locals.
If too many people fake their location to these places, the Googles and Steams of the world will stop giving those nations lower prices. I won’t have my own selfishness take something away from thousands of people.
Dawn@lemmy.world
on 21 Sep 2023 00:29
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For me, every other music app is missing alot of the songs I want to listen to (Cover songs, and remixes are the big 2) and they are only available on yt music.
jayandp@sh.itjust.works
on 21 Sep 2023 04:51
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Same + foreign artists. Lots of J-Rock artists that are hard to find on Western music services, let alone other countries. Only stuff like K-Pop I can find consistently on Western music services just because of how in demand it is.
Soundcloud might be an alternative worth looking into. For the music I tend to search for, I find I’m more likely to find it on Soundcloud, and it can take years to migrate from SC to YTM.
While YTM and SC were both $10, putting up with the worse platform was a reasonable price for no YT ads. Now that the grandfathering is ending and the price is jumping to $14, for US folks, I’m feeling the pressure to migrate.
CrayonRosary@lemmy.world
on 21 Sep 2023 00:40
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Yeah, I just don’t pay for it lmao. Apps like InnerTune are great, rips them as mp3s and can use YouTube music radio system and lyrics.
WarlordSdocy@lemmy.world
on 21 Sep 2023 02:07
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I don’t use YouTube Music but I love using YouTube for my music. Tons of songs on there that just aren’t on either YouTube music or other services like Spotify.
You can listen to just the music that’s on YouTube via YouTube music.
That’s one of the main reasons why I’m using YouTube music.
jayandp@sh.itjust.works
on 21 Sep 2023 04:46
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Yeah. You can search for and add any YouTube video to a playlist for YMusic. I do this all the time with various Indies, remixes, and foreign artists that are hard to find otherwise.
JiraiyaIsNoLyah@sh.itjust.works
on 21 Sep 2023 06:47
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Yeah, I switced to YouTube music when Google Play music went away because that’s where I stored all of my music at. But The category is massive, especially for niche songs and you can choose to watch the video or just listen to the song, Also with a lot of the songs you can look at the lyrics in real time while the music’s playing and that’s kind of nice. Also ad free YT is nice.
WarlordSdocy@lemmy.world
on 23 Sep 2023 18:09
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Did they change it? The last time I tried it said a bunch of my songs weren’t available on YouTube music and I couldn’t use it cause of that.
regbin_@lemmy.world
on 21 Sep 2023 02:17
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Only because I get both YT Premium and YT Music for cheap ($4/month).
Spotify has invested significant $$ in upgrading their platform.
YTM lets you access user-uploaded content. With that comes more in the way of remixes and Indy artists. The platform itself is pretty dogshit, though.
ShortFuse@lemmy.world
on 21 Sep 2023 02:59
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6 family members for $15 a month and no YouTube ads. Also that money was basically paid for by Google Rewards. The Web App is good too. I don’t have to deal with CEF/Electron or any install really.
papertowels@lemmy.one
on 21 Sep 2023 03:36
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The Web site says $24 for 5 members. Is it different per location? How do you pay less?
ShortFuse@lemmy.world
on 21 Sep 2023 14:01
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Yeah, sorry that was bumped up recently though I was grandfathered for a long while. But that was the impetus for getting it back when it was just GPM.
It’s 6 actually (1+ 5 other members). My uncle basically paid for half of it.
It’s $22.99 for me now which includes YouTube Premium. Just YouTube Music (for 6) is $16.99. Individual $10.99 and Student $5.49.
ZMonster@lemmy.world
on 21 Sep 2023 04:10
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I mean, ReVanced, but yes. No way I’d pay for that shit.
A lot of FOSS music streaming apps (like ViMusic) use YT Music because you can access it for free. Doesn’t make them any tho.
Companion1666@lemmy.world
on 21 Sep 2023 10:53
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YouTube Premium is so cheap, man. ₱159 (close to $3) per month. I gave up and exported my Spotify data for YouTube.
reverendsteveii@lemm.ee
on 21 Sep 2023 14:35
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Revanced, yeah. Still sucks when you’re looking for an album and all of the songs are from the official channel except for one that some schlub uploaded which repeats the previous track as an intro, has the levels maxed across all channels and sounds like it was recorded with a USB lapel mic in a paper bag
Arthur_Leywin@lemmy.world
on 21 Sep 2023 15:00
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Yeah it’s pretty good
dylanTheDeveloper@lemmy.world
on 21 Sep 2023 17:41
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Ever since Google destroyed Google Music i switched to Spotifly because at the time YouTube music couldn’t tell the difference between memes and music plus alot of my playlist was unavailable
jackalope@lemmy.ml
on 21 Sep 2023 00:26
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/c/unions is worth subbing to.
VentraSqwal@links.dartboard.social
on 21 Sep 2023 02:37
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What instance it on? I found two. So, for others,
!unions@lemmy.ml
!unions@sh.itjust.works
(for kbin users)
@unions@lemmy.ml
@unions@sh.itjust.works
(if it’s on a different instance, I’ll edit this comment.)
dana@lemmy.world
on 21 Sep 2023 04:34
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The NLRB ruled that the nature of their work makes them employees of both Cognizant and Google, despite whatever those companies try to classify them as, and that both are required to negotiate with the union. Google is now just flat-out refusing to respect that decision.
That’s cool n all…but what happens when Google drops the contract?
Spaceinv8er@sh.itjust.works
on 21 Sep 2023 06:21
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I was a “contractor” for JnJ. Which ok, is a different company but it’s the same premise. The reason they contract the work out is so they can avoid giving benefits and cut costs for an essential job. All so when something like this happens they can just pass the buck off to the contracting company saying it’s not their responsibility for the working conditions they set.
return2ozma@lemmy.world
on 21 Sep 2023 03:06
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Everybody’s striking! LFG!
WillardHerman@lemmy.world
on 21 Sep 2023 03:29
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Time to stop using Gmail and YouTube. I had already avoided go░gle search for months now.
Over the last three or four months I had deleted all my FaceBook, Twitter, Reddit, Instagram accounts. And this made me want to avoid go░gle search.
601error@lemmy.ca
on 21 Sep 2023 05:44
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Been using DuckDuckGo for a month or two. It’s mostly good enough for me.
Bourff@lemmy.world
on 21 Sep 2023 06:07
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I’ve been using it for years and have never looked back.
madprocessor@lemm.ee
on 21 Sep 2023 06:16
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DDG is my default and a very good engine, however, it does struggle with search results in my native language.
Gonna need to see a legit source on that that doesn’t read like right-wing nutjobbery or Russian botnik drivel.
averyfalken@lemmy.blahaj.zone
on 21 Sep 2023 16:24
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Honestly a good chunk of time its a better experience than google was
FlyingSquid@lemmy.world
on 21 Sep 2023 09:20
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DuckDuckGo is fine for some things, but if you want to do a search with a specific phrase in quotes, it doesn’t recognize it. I hate having to go back to Google for some searches, but sometimes it’s just better. I wish it wasn’t, but it is.
DuckDuckGo’s image search also leaves a lot to be desired.
candle_lighter@lemmy.ml
on 21 Sep 2023 14:30
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If you need Google search results but don’t want to use google try SearXng or Startpage
If you’re getting Google results, you’re using Google lol
candle_lighter@lemmy.ml
on 22 Sep 2023 12:53
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Not exactly. It’s a privacy respecting front end so your data isn’t being sent to Google
dangblingus@lemmy.world
on 21 Sep 2023 16:51
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You don’t need to do the quote thing in DDG. You can literally just search the quote, and maybe the domain it was hosted on. You will find what you’re looking for. DDG even has business profile widgets like google search does. I don’t even miss google search at all.
FlyingSquid@lemmy.world
on 21 Sep 2023 16:52
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I don’t think you understand what I’m talking about. I’m talking about a search phrase that is partially in quotes for an exact match and partially not for an inexact match. Google handles that, DDG does not.
PurplePropagule@sh.itjust.works
on 23 Sep 2023 01:11
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I use duckduckgo but just throw in the google bang if I need specific functionality. Usually DDG is fine for me usually but it’s convenient to be able to switch quickly.
CoolMatt@lemmy.world
on 21 Sep 2023 12:42
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Just curious what’s wrong with saying Google?
PumaStoleMyBluff@lemmy.world
on 21 Sep 2023 12:47
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You must be new to Lemmy. Grab a tinfoil hat from the box by the door.
samus12345@lemmy.world
on 21 Sep 2023 15:54
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Funny how the term “tinfoil” persists even though it hasn’t been used in over 70 years.
dangblingus@lemmy.world
on 21 Sep 2023 16:50
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Easier to say than “aluminium”
samus12345@lemmy.world
on 21 Sep 2023 16:53
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“Aluminum” at least has 1 less syllable. But I usually just say “foil.” What else would I be talking about in that context?
CosmicCleric@lemmy.world
on 21 Sep 2023 17:28
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“Aluminum” at least has 1 less syllable. But I usually just say “foil.” What else would I be talking about in that context?
a·lu·mi·num
tin·foil
(Sorry for the ‘ackshully’, but couldn’t resist.)
snugglesthefalse@sh.itjust.works
on 21 Sep 2023 18:49
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One less than aluminium
CosmicCleric@lemmy.world
on 21 Sep 2023 19:00
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Didn’t even realize that was a word until I looked it up.
the chemical element of atomic number 13, a light silvery-gray metal.
Not sure how that relates in a conversation about tinfoil hats usage but sure why not.
I’m sure the composition of the devices has a significant performance impact on their effectiveness, worthy of discussion. :p
samus12345@lemmy.world
on 21 Sep 2023 22:57
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The successor to tin foil is aluminum foil. “Aluminum” is called “aluminium” in English-speaking countries outside the US.
CosmicCleric@lemmy.world
on 22 Sep 2023 01:17
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Oh there we go, okay that explains it.
Yeah you guys on the other side of the pond like using extra letters in your words like ‘colour’. :p
dangblingus@lemmy.world
on 21 Sep 2023 16:49
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Start your own email server!! Download all of your favorite channels! Sub to your fav youtubers patreons! If you need music, use Spotify until you amass a collection of digital/physical music! Use FireFox! Google does not need to have any grip on our digital lifestyles.
averyfalken@lemmy.blahaj.zone
on 21 Sep 2023 16:22
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I had already stopped for googles slew of other issues. For email I recomebd proton mail
Oh sweet summer child, you’ll be waiting a while. Pull up a chair. Let me tell you a story about how I’ve been waiting years, with an S, for the Android app remake that they keep pushing back.
At least iOS users get to enjoy it…
averyfalken@lemmy.blahaj.zone
on 22 Sep 2023 05:11
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PH I know
lastweakness@lemm.ee
on 22 Sep 2023 12:01
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Well, they aren’t even replying to whether the community-developed rclone backend breaks TOS, so don’t expect much… but yeah, i pay for Proton and they’re good for what they are.
Lightrider@lemmynsfw.com
on 21 Sep 2023 08:46
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Defeat the fuckingcapitalists
ilex@lemmy.world
on 21 Sep 2023 11:18
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The article became increasingly redundant as it continued. The crux seems to be Google isn’t their employer. These workers work for a subcontractor, Cognizant. Cognizant performs services for YouTube Music.
Cognizant is refusing to bargain citing the ongoing relevant litigation* between its employees and Google.
I’m not sure what the legal process is called for union claims.
Some of the employees are striking for 1 day.
Aurix@lemmy.world
on 21 Sep 2023 17:25
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One idea of subcontractors is to split and delegate societal responsibility to others to appear to be clean. Surely the law is focused on Cognizant here, but the responsibility lies fully on Google, including their ability to intervene.
It’s redundant because there’s basically a circular argument that G and C are using to not respond to the workers. Workers want to C negotiate with G on the terms of their work with G but C says they can’t because they’re just contracting with G. Then G says the workers can’t negotiate with G because they work for C. Both companies point the finger at the other as to why they can’t help and just give nothing back to the workers.
Waltzy@feddit.uk
on 22 Sep 2023 07:55
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Seems fairly obvious that they need to negotiate with their direct employer.
newDayRocks@lemmy.world
on 22 Sep 2023 14:01
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The article is confusing but it sounds like the union wants both C and G at the table, but C and G both agree that C should be the employer and G doesn’t need to join the talks. So C is saying, if you really want G to join, you’ll have to wait until the appeals are finished.
I’m guessing the union doesn’t want to negotiate with C, have C go to G with the terms and G refuse and just causing endless delays in a game of telephone bargaining.
legion@lemmy.world
on 22 Sep 2023 05:22
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YouTube Music is the enshitttified version of Google Play Music.
Oaksey@lemmy.world
on 22 Sep 2023 12:56
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YTM: you have a vague hint of network reception, just wait for me to fail loading what I want to load before I consider letting you play your downloaded music.
joenforcer@midwest.social
on 22 Sep 2023 15:17
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Which was an enshittified version of Songza. Google lost me for music a loooong time ago.
Salamendacious@lemmy.world
on 22 Sep 2023 16:44
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God I loved Sonza. The best place I ever found to discover new music. RIP Songza
nomnomdeplume@lemmy.world
on 22 Sep 2023 18:19
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Is there a self-hosted alternative? Would love to do that.
atzanteol@sh.itjust.works
on 22 Sep 2023 18:25
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Subsonic and airsonic work. They’re not “pretty” but they do the job and have decent mobile apps.
lckdscl@whiskers.bim.boats
on 22 Sep 2023 19:04
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Subsonic-based alternatives are good too. Navidrome and gonic, for instance.
I actually love the fact that all of the underground, unknown, not officially published music I’ve liked on YouTube is there with all my other music, including the stuff I’ve uploaded myself.
Put a large collection of albums into your “Library”.
Now try to pull up a list of a single artist’s albums within your Library.
The “Library” management is so remedial that it’s basically a joke. It can’t measure up to iTunes from 20 years ago. It’s completely unusable for a serious music collection.
It may be fine for people that just listen to singles and playlists, but every other music service can do that too, while also offering complete functionality elsewhere.
YouTube Music is a half-baked, half-complete product. It’s inexplicable that it exists when they literally just needed to do nothing but rebrand Google Play Music.
KidsTryThisAtHome@lemm.ee
on 23 Sep 2023 07:27
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I completely agree, I miss gpm so much. There’s a lot wrong with it, especially if you have a big collection like you said, but another incredibly annoying thing is the radio for songs, bands, and even genres always seem to come back to the same stuff. I don’t find new music on ytm like I did in gpm
greavous@lemmy.world
on 22 Sep 2023 14:57
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I can’t believe I’m saying it but but I’m with Google here. They are sub-cons so negotiation would surely go through their employer who is cognizant. I’m a sub-contractor, I’m not gonna go to the client and ask for a raise, I’m gonna go to my employer. Maybe it’s different in different regions but if I asked the client for a raise in the uk they would probably just laugh at me.
Betazed@lemmy.sdf.org
on 22 Sep 2023 15:49
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Yeah thinking about it more, you’re definitely right. I’ve only ever been a W-2 employee (United States) so I know nothing about this kind of thing. If they are employees of another company, they should bargain with them instead, and force them (via strike if required) to negotiate a new contract with Google. I’m very pro worker and support striking to get results but you have to make sure you’re targeting the right business to get the results you want.
dustyData@lemmy.world
on 22 Sep 2023 19:13
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You missed the plot. They found a loophole and are probably conspiring to halt the Union. One company says they have to wait for the other to negotiate, the other company says they won’t negotiate because they are not their employees. The whole process enters into a permanent delay, workers get fucked by both companies for months. This is a tale as old as unions have existed. It’s one of the reasons why in most sane countries, unrestricted outsourcing is not allowed and outsourcing in general is heavily regulated. It’s one of the most common tools companies use to abuse workers and avoid responsibilities.
njordomir@lemmy.world
on 23 Sep 2023 06:24
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And in that time, they’ll set up a new shit call center under new shit management under a new shitty partner/reseller/vendor and just close that first contract down entirely.
IHaveTwoCows@lemm.ee
on 22 Sep 2023 20:53
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It’s called W-2 because you are Worker, 2nd Class citizen
According to the union, Cognizant has also refused to bargain, citing Google’s appeals as the reason for its delay.
Hazdaz@lemmy.world
on 22 Sep 2023 19:23
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You are 100% correct, so it is especially funny seeing that almost 1/4 of the people downvoted you for no good reason. Holy fuck this site has a huge percentage of utterly clueless Lemmings.
ilikekeyboards@lemmy.world
on 22 Sep 2023 19:47
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Outsourcing in Europe is heavily scrutinised and regulated due to companies kept choosing to depend on third party agencies do they don’t have to do with strikes and unions.
MargotRobbie@lemm.ee
on 22 Sep 2023 17:55
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NLRB seems to disagree. This will be an interesting case, I suspect …
So Google, like Amazon, is trying to play the “they work for a subcontractor that only supports us, so it’s their fault, not ours” card. I really want to see the NLRB smack this pattern down hard and set an example for all the other companies to try to avoid unionization by way of not directly hiring people.
NLRB changed their criteria for what is considered co-employment last month, widely broadening the definitions used to determine this status. Essentially, if a company has significant control (not just exclusive control) over any of a worker’s employment status or conditions, then they are considered a co-employer now. It used to be that a company needed exclusive or overriding control over another company’s employees to be considered a co-employer.
I’m certain we are going to see more lawsuits and legal challenges from employees because of this. I’m pretty certain there already are lawsuits from some other Google contractors over this exact thing; they are providing a case that Google is their co-employer due to the control they have over every aspect of their work.
That’s excellent news, especially for the employees of Amazon subcontractors handling warehouse and delivery operations.
Doesn’t appear so, seems Google is okay with them unionizing. According to a ruling from a while back Google is required to bargain with the union just as much as cognizant is but it appears cognizant is the one which is unwilling to bargain with the workers. Google’s track record with workers leads me to believe that they have no issue with workers unionizing.
What planet are you living on? Did you read the article? Or even the headline? Google is constantly union busting, and this article explicitly states that Google is refusing to bargain with the bargaining unit, despite court rulings that they are required to.
The only reason why they say they dont care about these people unionizing is because they fully intend on ignoring the union. They believe they can appeal the decision that they are required to bargain and win.
Yeah I read this article and other sources on the subject that give more details. Google has said they support them organizing but it’s not up to them. As far as I’m aware Google is the only tech giant that has an employee workers union
Well you absolutely know wrong lmao the Alphabet Workers Union is not recognized by NLRB, and Amazon’s Workers Union is. Apple also has some unionization, as do several video game developers and support companies.
Google has said they support them unionizing because they think it will not affect them at all. Maybe go look into the handful of people who have attempted to formally unionize at Google and see how they have all been fired. Then try and tell me Google supports unionization.
Amazon Warehouse and delivery drivers unionizing is not similar to the situation that the YouTube Music workers are dealing with and aren’t the same as what the Alphabet union is but I’m glad you feel like undermining alphabet users achieving what they have but you are fully into recognizing two Apple retail stores barely passing and neglecting to mention their constant Union busting and propaganda. Thanks for supporting workers!
Two things: for one, I work at Google and am part of the AWU, so fuck you.
And for two, please explain exactly how amazon unionization is so fundamentally different from AWU unionization? Is it because AWU seeks to represent workers from every contractor/vendor alongside actual full time Googlers? Or what?
Yeah you know what. You are just a shit human. Good luck my guy I’m not gonna waste my time with your vile bullshit
Lmao you’ve got nothing, that’s why you aren’t gonna waste your time. You tried saying I dont support workers or some shit when I’m part of the fucking union you just claimed me to be undermining. Maybe join and support a union yourself? I wouldn’t stoop as low as calling you a shit human, but you are severely misguided.
No because I’m not gonna argue with a short asshole who just makes up shit to try to win internet arguments.
And what do you think I’ve made up to win an argument? You are making a lot of baseless claims here, looks like you are the one making up shit
Lol what would I have made up? That makes no sense
You made up me making up stuff. I never misrepresented anything in my comments, so your claim that I have made stuff up is a lie.
Sup bro, I hired nlbl whatever. They have a guy that’ll come fuck you in the ass and shit in your mouth every night. Don’t like it? Not my problem, talk to nlbl.
Oh, and I support you union and whatever.
Did you remember to take your medications?
Oh and thanks for the support
Oh, I don’t actually care about unions or supporting them. I just want you to eat shit. nlbr is a scape goat for that.
You do understand that your comments are incomprehensible, right? Do you need someone to call a doctor?
You can go ahead and stay wanting tho, as I’m sure you are used to.
And what is an nlbr? Or nlbl? It seriously appears that you are suffering from an aneurysm.
Megacorps can get fucked. Pay your employees well or deal with the consequences.
NLRB contact details If workers provide a service, they should be allowed to bargain collectively to be adequately paid for that service. Full stop.
Google will simply find a different contractor company. Problem solved.
Google:
Don’t be evil.PROFIT UBER ALLES!!!wut
Google has a shell company, Cognizant, that hires and subcontracts people to Google. When the workers unionize, they’re unionizing against cognizant, not Google. The workers are trying to say otherwise, will more than likely need a court case to sort it out.
Cognizant is very much NOT a Google shell company, they are a third-party contractor with business in healthcare, tech, energy, insurance, education, etc.
My bad, I was thinking of Amazon and their delivery “companies”
This isn’t right. Cognizant are a well known systems integrator. In Australia alone recently they bought out some of the best local SIs just to get presence - contino and Servian, with a rumoured third (versent) on the way…
Theyre a body shop looking to grow their born in the cloud generstion of engineers.
I’m very much pro-union, but meanwhile artists and creators who made that content in the first place are getting fucked by everyone
A YouTube creators' strike isn't an impossible notion. It'd just have to be led by a couple of big names, like a Mr. Beast type.
Mr Beast is the result of the trendy gen Z libertarian millionaire pipeline. He will never unionize nor support strikes.
There’s been enough creators that have had enough problems with YouTube that maybe something could happen. I’m not putting money on it or anything but it wouldn’t be that crazy.
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No, it is not all upside. What has more value. Content people want to watch somehow. Or an empty “platform” that slurps up most of the gains.
I’m not saying there is no value inherent to platform’s. Merely pointing out the disingenuous nature of that argument.
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An empty platform has little value. Hundreds have gotten shut down for this very reason.
Content by and large makes the platform. Not the other way round. Yet the platform soaks up the lions share of the benefit. Leaving most who aren’t whales to see nothing at all. This is the problem google is very complicit with. I’m all for them making enough to sustain the service. I just think they owe far more than they are giving, to the content that made them.
Nebula is great. And is trundling along just fine. It could use some more promotion and love sure. But it’s goals aren’t the same as a behemoth like Google’s. Who’s talents aren’t in creating content, but promoting it.
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Creators would exist without the platform. They always have. But the platform definitely does bring value. The problem is that for a while now, greedy corporations have slowly been pushing the balance so that they received most of the benefit of everyone else’s work. It’s an overarching problem of capitalism that we need to deal with. But have been putting off for 50 to 60 years.
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Not sure what you mean with this. Youtube has allowed anyone with a camera and an internet connection to put content out in the world. It was completely different back before youtube existed.
I’ve been on the internet since 94. I know what it was like. YouTube did not create creators. People posted video to the internet long before YouTube was a thing. And long before Google owned it. Because they didn’t create it.
I’m not saying people didn’t share videos beforehand, but youtube created a platform that allowed people to do it more easily, be discovered more easily, and actually make a decent living through it. The internet landscape, especially in respect to influencers or content creators, is entirely different now than it was in the 90’s.
So did Vimeo and dozens of others. YouTube did not get where it is by being better. Or by even being a platform. It got where it is by being bought out by a large corporate entity with near endless sums of money to back it with over the competition.
And a decade or two from now the internet is liable to be as different again from today as today was from them. And many people will be wondering Google who? Because ultimately people will remember the content not the platform.
Yes, but the backing by Google turned it into a viable career path for many creators. Name a single creator who posts to vimeo as their full time job. I’m not saying that youtube’s rise in popularity was necessarily good or ethical, I’m just saying that it is objectively better for creators over the other options.
You’ve basically said the same thing over and over about four or five times now. And been shut down on the facts of it every single time. Aren’t you getting a little tired of that?
Publishing has existed long before Google and alphabet. And it will exist long after they’re gone. Creators don’t really owe them all that much to be honest. And yes Vimeo or other competitors could have just as easily been the ones to do what YouTube did. Because YouTube didn’t do anything. It was the leveraging of Google’s near Monopoly on search and advertisement that allowed them to guide everyone to YouTube once they owned it. Making it viable and profitable for them to share some of those profits no matter how small with the people who post. People made a living making videos long before YouTube.
Yes, I am getting tired. You consistently argue against the pretty inoffensive and commonly understood arguments I have made with completely irrelevant points. So I’ll say it one more time and see if it can finally sink in. If someone wants to get into making videos, they’ll go to youtube for better or for worse. I’m not arguing about the pros and cons of Google’s influence, I’m saying that the reality is that youtube has enabled a huge amount of people to monetize their video creation and build an audience in a way that other competitors haven’t caught up with. If you’re arguing that the landscape for video creation and publishing on the internet is the same as it was before youtube rose to prevalence, then you’re just dead wrong. Sorry.
Also, you do understand that youtube was more successful than vimeo before google’s acquisition, right? Their success is kind of the whole reason google backed them.
They could argue for
Pretty much like anyone’s top two asks. More money, more security.
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Going with what is happening in the SAG/AFTRA strike, perhaps the big names shouldn’t join the strike because they would come across as entitled, but they are more than welcome to donate towards the strike.
This is a good thread and good comment to throw this up on:
youtu.be/PJSTFzhs1O4?si=3SalhKn7wN6dgUpP
Benn Jordan, perhaps better known as “The Flashbulb” as an EDM artist, has an excellent YouTube channel. This video dives into some details on how we could get artists paid, and stop getting our art jerked around by corporations. For less than we pay to not get free healthcare healthcare, you could have access to all copyright content, ad free, and artists would be better compensated.
It’s an idea worth spreading.
Artists, techies, and socialists need to come together. To build a platform focused on sustainability ultimately. Devoid of profit for the sake of profit. And more focused on meeting the needs of their members. No overpriced CEO or board of directors. Or layers of redundant management. Once the service costs are covered. Anything after that could be split somewhat proportionally within strict limits.
I’m on board with this idea, but I’m not sure where to start.
A lot of the basic pieces are in place. Torrenting/peer tube for distribution. Modern day royalty free codecs. Realistically the two biggest hurdles are how to monetize responsibly, and bringing people in. It’s something that in one shape or form will always require some small donation of time and resources. And it’s easier to convince someone to join a Ponzi scheme telling them you will make them wealthy. Than it is to get someone to join guaranteeing that you’ll never make them wealthy but you will try to make them secure in their lives.
This already exists, it’s called Nebula
Anyone able to chime in on fileshare or w/e the crypto is that gives artists a cut per play? Has been a while since I’ve heard of it.
could they put bring the dislike count back on the demands? and make so video posters can’t delete comments, so we can call bullshit when needed? that would be nice
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No they have bigger priorities, like retroactively demonitizing and removing videos that used to be just fine under the new ruse of “making everything more kid friendly” when we all know it’s to make it more advertiser friendly
If only there were an app… suited for kids that google could use… One that would give them the limitations and safety they want from people and not ruin the whole site while still chasing those kid viewers.
If only such a thing existed.
That would be a complete trainwreck. There are already loads of spam accounts but it would be so much worse if creators couldn’t filter them out.
I get the technicality of all this, but this could be a watershed moment. Businesses like to contract people out to move liability and cut corners in their obligations to the workers. The bottom line is that its cheaper and easier to fire whatever contractors you don’t like for any reason, and artificially push their salaries/wages down.
Look at Fedex Ground, Amazon drivers, etc. Google is now firmly in the role of the bad guy here, with Sundar Pichai making 220+ million dollars with much of it on the backs of layoffs and ethnically bankrupt business practices. I honestly think the ramifications of this in a positive way for the workers is tantamount to the formation of the UAW itself with their sitting strikes. They sat at the machines and forcibly halted production.
That needs to happen here, and all you scabs, fuck you. You can just piss off.
As somebody who’s been boycotting big media for years, I can’t be happier to see the copyright industry slowly backstabbing itself once and over again
What’s to stop every single corporation from leveraging third party contractor companies just to escape union bargaining? Cognizant seems like a company that basically exists for this reason. Both Amazon and Google play this game and it’s infuriating.
Nothing. It’s one of the alluring aspects of using third-parties. You pay a flat fee, people do work. You avoid all the overhead of HR, benefits, workers compensation and unemployment insurance. If you want someone gone there’s no process, you simply tell the third party that Joe doesn’t need to come back to work, ever, and you’re done.
Amazon and Google are not alone in this practice, nor is it exclusive to Fortune 500 companies.
Worst case you pay out what is left on the contract, but since you drove costs down it is cheaper than firing a regular worker!
I work as a contractor dev for fortune 500s. It’s wide spread. Handful of full timers, padded with contractors.
Brain drain is a real problem, but it also means there’s a culture of FTE being willing to jump through corporate hoops and on call hours, because they want to keep the FTE position instead of finding a new job every 1.5 years (in California where there are max contract lengths)
That’s basically the current situation.
Dark Brandon and the NLRB are on that shit. No more malarkey.
Hopefully people turn out in 2024 and stop us going down the 1930s Germany route… my mother recently moved to Pennsylvania from a deep red state, and was saying that due to Bidens “corruption”, she didnt think she would vote in 2024. Upon further questioning, my hyper conservative fundemantalist Christian uncle had been sending her news.
Hope my arguments convinced her otherwise, she detests Trump & the Republicans. Her vote DOES matter now. Have her set up with a variety of news websites & Firefox/ublock origin etc, and not “Townhall” garbage.
Depending on where in PA, it might be just as red as where she came from. If she’s not near Pittsburgh, or basically bordering NJ, then she’s probably in good ol Pennsyltucky.
That state really should be broken into three states, it’s way too large and it’s already divided geographically.
It’s a shame that calling Uncle Tommy out for being the dumb ass he’s always been is so frowned upon, even if it’s to avoid fascism.
This is what I like to see.
Nothing (yet). Yup, this model insulates corporations of all kinds from bargaining, costs (like healthcare), liability, and much more. Check out this episode from the Pitchfork Economics podcast …google.com/…/M2JmMzVlNGMtMDk2NC0xMWVlLWFjMGUtYzc…
This is what laws and regulations are for. If we had a functioning government…
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Nothing, and they do just that. No labor laws apply to contractors and it’s practically the only way some of them can earn a decent wage, so striking is futile - they’ll just switch to other contractors.
Well, now you have contract bargaining with your contracting company, and those companies aren’t immune from their workers becoming disgruntled and unionizing.
People use YouTube Music?
I’ll use it as long as they keep it bundled with YouTube Premium. The day they unbundle I’m out.
Yeah, if you do a fair amount of YouTube and want to support the creators without queuing up a bunch of ads it’s a pretty good deal.
$10 a month to have basically every song ever and never have to worry about YouTube ads. Yes, I use it.
Right? It’s awesome.
hah, this was me with Grooveshark.
and then I lost everything when it shut down.
and then me again with Google play music. “upload your music, we’ll keep it for you”
and then I lost everything when it shut down.
“oh it’s ok, you can just use [new service], it’s better anyway”
it just isn’t the same, you lose stuff everytime. I don’t think it’s worth it.
There’s apps to sync your stuff when you move to another platform. It won’t be perfectand certain features on certain apps are paywalled, but you should get a fairly acceptable copy of your content after using a service like this.
I used a tool that synced my Spotify playlists to Apple Music. It worked surprisingly well. I signed up the one time, moved everything over, and then made sure to cancel the service.
Grooveshark. Now that’s a name that I really miss. I’ll never stop being mad about that site being taken down.
this hit me hard on multiple levels. There was a lot of live performances and remixes on Grooveshark that just don’t exist anymore.
But, I also lived where they were headquartered. They had started a “Grooveshark university” for local programmers to learn the ropes and it was really cool. I was self-taught but learned a lot from that experience. Such a shame
I actually met employees from the company at a conference years ago and knew people that worked there off and on. It was a pretty toxic environment and the management was basically a frat party. The office had an in-house chef for a while before they had to tighten the purse strings due to the multitude of lawsuits they were getting hit with (most of which I learned came from Sony BMG). Their team of lawyers basically worked around the clock. They also underpaid devs but had an array of talent from every level that allowed people to cut their teeth and work on some cool UI.
I used to have a ton of stuff on Grooveshark and had stuff shared to me (and vice versa) from others. It was a cool UI even if it was a little clunky at times. Great place to find obscure stuff.
There was a long period where you could transfer your GPM uploads to YTM.
It worked perfectly for me - all my previously uploaded music is in my Library under “Uploads”.
yeah, it did not work for me ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
What happened?
I had albums with missing songs, a few albums wouldn’t transfer. I had versions of songs that were different.
I didn’t lose everything but there was enough that I cared about that I no longer want to trust a system where I don’t actually own the music
You can still upload up to 100,000 tracks, I believe.
Though I’ve not personally tried to do a bulk upload since before it changed from GPM, so I don’t know if there’s still library import tools available to help with that
There are export options for many music subscription services now, as well as apps like TuneMyMusic, Playlisty, etc. which can transfer your library and services between services.
I also get to Download videos for my flights or commute. I’m also in a big house. Family plan for 5 of us is ridiculous value to me.
Newpipe
Your mileage may vary coming up in December. The $10 crew in the US will see a 40% increase at or near the end of the year. Grandfathering is going away.
This brings the cost of Google’s video/music service to match Amazon’s video/music service. Are those services of the same quality?
Soundcloud ($10) Is the real competitor to YT-Music in my book. Both benefit from user-generated and user-uploaded content. While there is crossover, I have found more tracks on Soundcloud that aren’t on YT than the other way around.
Or $6 every 6 months if you’re savvy ;).
If by “savvy”, you mean flubbing your location to somewhere in the developing world where that’s the price point, I refuse to do that. I have no issue pretending to be in say, Germany and taking up a 75% off deal. But I won’t put myself somewhere where the regular $10-$15 price point is genuinely out of range of the locals.
If too many people fake their location to these places, the Googles and Steams of the world will stop giving those nations lower prices. I won’t have my own selfishness take something away from thousands of people.
For me, every other music app is missing alot of the songs I want to listen to (Cover songs, and remixes are the big 2) and they are only available on yt music.
Same + foreign artists. Lots of J-Rock artists that are hard to find on Western music services, let alone other countries. Only stuff like K-Pop I can find consistently on Western music services just because of how in demand it is.
Soundcloud might be an alternative worth looking into. For the music I tend to search for, I find I’m more likely to find it on Soundcloud, and it can take years to migrate from SC to YTM.
While YTM and SC were both $10, putting up with the worse platform was a reasonable price for no YT ads. Now that the grandfathering is ending and the price is jumping to $14, for US folks, I’m feeling the pressure to migrate.
Yes, and it’s great!
YouTube Music is a much better option than Spotify, in my opinion.
On top of the music you get ad-free YouTube.
I also upload any music I buy via Bandcamp or physical CD so I can listen to it anywhere. No one else offers that as far as I know.
Just make sure you use the unofficial YouTube Music desktop app (ytmdesktop.app) if you’re on a PC because using it in a browser sucks.
in theory i agree, but i could not stand the UI when i tried youtube premium, compared to spotify which is just seamless
Not sure if you were referring to YT Music by YT Premium. But YT Music is a different interface specifically for music.
I think its the same thing here, you pay for premium it gives you access to YT music
Try InnerTune or ViMusic. They’re based on YouTube Music. Both can be found in F-Droid
Yeah, I just don’t pay for it lmao. Apps like InnerTune are great, rips them as mp3s and can use YouTube music radio system and lyrics.
I don’t use YouTube Music but I love using YouTube for my music. Tons of songs on there that just aren’t on either YouTube music or other services like Spotify.
You can listen to just the music that’s on YouTube via YouTube music. That’s one of the main reasons why I’m using YouTube music.
Yeah. You can search for and add any YouTube video to a playlist for YMusic. I do this all the time with various Indies, remixes, and foreign artists that are hard to find otherwise.
Yeah, I switced to YouTube music when Google Play music went away because that’s where I stored all of my music at. But The category is massive, especially for niche songs and you can choose to watch the video or just listen to the song, Also with a lot of the songs you can look at the lyrics in real time while the music’s playing and that’s kind of nice. Also ad free YT is nice.
Did they change it? The last time I tried it said a bunch of my songs weren’t available on YouTube music and I couldn’t use it cause of that.
Only because I get both YT Premium and YT Music for cheap ($4/month).
Hah look at Mr. Money Bags over here, I had to pay $1.11 last month for YT Premium.
Which region did you sign up in?
Argentina
Same. India?
Argentina
Totally. I was already in the ecosystem so it was only natural I go to Music when it was available. Is it better than Spotify? Shrug. Just different.
Spotify has invested significant $$ in upgrading their platform.
YTM lets you access user-uploaded content. With that comes more in the way of remixes and Indy artists. The platform itself is pretty dogshit, though.
6 family members for $15 a month and no YouTube ads. Also that money was basically paid for by Google Rewards. The Web App is good too. I don’t have to deal with CEF/Electron or any install really.
I think it’s 25 now :(
The Web site says $24 for 5 members. Is it different per location? How do you pay less?
Yeah, sorry that was bumped up recently though I was grandfathered for a long while. But that was the impetus for getting it back when it was just GPM.
It’s 6 actually (1+ 5 other members). My uncle basically paid for half of it.
It’s $22.99 for me now which includes YouTube Premium. Just YouTube Music (for 6) is $16.99. Individual $10.99 and Student $5.49.
I mean, ReVanced, but yes. No way I’d pay for that shit.
A lot of FOSS music streaming apps (like ViMusic) use YT Music because you can access it for free. Doesn’t make them any tho.
YouTube Premium is so cheap, man. ₱159 (close to $3) per month. I gave up and exported my Spotify data for YouTube.
Revanced, yeah. Still sucks when you’re looking for an album and all of the songs are from the official channel except for one that some schlub uploaded which repeats the previous track as an intro, has the levels maxed across all channels and sounds like it was recorded with a USB lapel mic in a paper bag
Yeah it’s pretty good
Ever since Google destroyed Google Music i switched to Spotifly because at the time YouTube music couldn’t tell the difference between memes and music plus alot of my playlist was unavailable
/c/unions is worth subbing to.
What instance it on? I found two. So, for others,
!unions@lemmy.ml
!unions@sh.itjust.works
(for kbin users)
@unions@lemmy.ml
@unions@sh.itjust.works
(if it’s on a different instance, I’ll edit this comment.)
I was referring the lemmy ml one but good to know there’s more!
The lemmy.ml one seems more active so I joined that one, but it’s good to have backup communities in case it ever goes down!
Yea, no…the headline is wrong on this one. These guys are contractors. Google will just nuke Cognizant’s contract and call it a day.
Those guys aren’t particularly good in my experience and are just warm bodies to do things that should be automated anyway.
Google will simply go to another big contract firm and call it a day.
I’m so glad bootlickers like you enjoy the taste of shoe leather. It makes the working class so much more unified.
Don’t work on contract…then things like this don’t happen.
Can I also live in your fantasyland where you get choices like this?
Sure…get a bachelor’s in STEM.
m.youtube.com/watch?v=45QgF9Ha7kE
The NLRB ruled that the nature of their work makes them employees of both Cognizant and Google, despite whatever those companies try to classify them as, and that both are required to negotiate with the union. Google is now just flat-out refusing to respect that decision.
That’s cool n all…but what happens when Google drops the contract?
I was a “contractor” for JnJ. Which ok, is a different company but it’s the same premise. The reason they contract the work out is so they can avoid giving benefits and cut costs for an essential job. All so when something like this happens they can just pass the buck off to the contracting company saying it’s not their responsibility for the working conditions they set.
Everybody’s striking! LFG!
Time to stop using Gmail and YouTube. I had already avoided go░gle search for months now.
Over the last three or four months I had deleted all my FaceBook, Twitter, Reddit, Instagram accounts. And this made me want to avoid go░gle search.
Been using DuckDuckGo for a month or two. It’s mostly good enough for me.
I’ve been using it for years and have never looked back.
DDG is my default and a very good engine, however, it does struggle with search results in my native language.
You should. It uses Bing for its searches. So you are censored to oblivion.
What’s being censored? You have control over safesearch, and searching phrases verbatim returns all sites where that phrase exists.
Safesearch (NSFW) ≠ Censorship (Political, Government Posts, etc.)
I might be mistaken, but IIRC Bing is only one of the data sources DDG uses.
Gonna need to see a legit source on that that doesn’t read like right-wing nutjobbery or Russian botnik drivel.
Honestly a good chunk of time its a better experience than google was
DuckDuckGo is fine for some things, but if you want to do a search with a specific phrase in quotes, it doesn’t recognize it. I hate having to go back to Google for some searches, but sometimes it’s just better. I wish it wasn’t, but it is.
DuckDuckGo’s image search also leaves a lot to be desired.
If you need Google search results but don’t want to use google try SearXng or Startpage
If you’re getting Google results, you’re using Google lol
Not exactly. It’s a privacy respecting front end so your data isn’t being sent to Google
You don’t need to do the quote thing in DDG. You can literally just search the quote, and maybe the domain it was hosted on. You will find what you’re looking for. DDG even has business profile widgets like google search does. I don’t even miss google search at all.
I don’t think you understand what I’m talking about. I’m talking about a search phrase that is partially in quotes for an exact match and partially not for an inexact match. Google handles that, DDG does not.
I use duckduckgo but just throw in the google bang if I need specific functionality. Usually DDG is fine for me usually but it’s convenient to be able to switch quickly.
Just curious what’s wrong with saying Google?
You must be new to Lemmy. Grab a tinfoil hat from the box by the door.
Funny how the term “tinfoil” persists even though it hasn’t been used in over 70 years.
Easier to say than “aluminium”
“Aluminum” at least has 1 less syllable. But I usually just say “foil.” What else would I be talking about in that context?
a·lu·mi·num
tin·foil
(Sorry for the ‘ackshully’, but couldn’t resist.)
One less than aluminium
Didn’t even realize that was a word until I looked it up.
Not sure how that relates in a conversation about tinfoil hats usage but sure why not.
I’m sure the composition of the devices has a significant performance impact on their effectiveness, worthy of discussion. :p
The successor to tin foil is aluminum foil. “Aluminum” is called “aluminium” in English-speaking countries outside the US.
Oh there we go, okay that explains it.
Yeah you guys on the other side of the pond like using extra letters in your words like ‘colour’. :p
Colour is closer to you than you think (look up)
Um, by “look up”, if you mean my reply, I was spelling it how it’s spelled over in Europe, not America.
I mean up as in on a map. Canada, north of the US, uses colour
Ah, so you were speaking geographically, and not Lemmyically.
ACKSHULLY, I was referring to “aluminum” as opposed to “aluminium.”
That’s not how you spelled it though in your comment.
Is the comment I was replying to.
Fair enough. I didn’t read the comment previous to yours, just your comment directly, so I thought you were referring to ‘aluminum’ versus ‘tinfoil’.
Alumilum.
Nooo. Those might be tampered. They could be bugged. Or they could have holes in them. Or the tin might be fake. Make your own.
Not special enough
Here’s some alternative recommendations: www.privacyguides.org/en/tools/
Start your own email server!! Download all of your favorite channels! Sub to your fav youtubers patreons! If you need music, use Spotify until you amass a collection of digital/physical music! Use FireFox! Google does not need to have any grip on our digital lifestyles.
I had already stopped for googles slew of other issues. For email I recomebd proton mail
proton is very adequate to replace Gmail.
Oh most definitely. I’m still waiting for a desktop app on Linux for drive but I pay them abually and totally worth it for what I pay.
They do have free email options for those who prefer
Oh sweet summer child, you’ll be waiting a while. Pull up a chair. Let me tell you a story about how I’ve been waiting years, with an S, for the Android app remake that they keep pushing back.
At least iOS users get to enjoy it…
PH I know
Well, they aren’t even replying to whether the community-developed rclone backend breaks TOS, so don’t expect much… but yeah, i pay for Proton and they’re good for what they are.
Defeat the fuckingcapitalists
The article became increasingly redundant as it continued. The crux seems to be Google isn’t their employer. These workers work for a subcontractor, Cognizant. Cognizant performs services for YouTube Music.
Cognizant is refusing to bargain citing the ongoing relevant litigation* between its employees and Google.
Some of the employees are striking for 1 day.
One idea of subcontractors is to split and delegate societal responsibility to others to appear to be clean. Surely the law is focused on Cognizant here, but the responsibility lies fully on Google, including their ability to intervene.
It’s redundant because there’s basically a circular argument that G and C are using to not respond to the workers. Workers want to C negotiate with G on the terms of their work with G but C says they can’t because they’re just contracting with G. Then G says the workers can’t negotiate with G because they work for C. Both companies point the finger at the other as to why they can’t help and just give nothing back to the workers.
Seems fairly obvious that they need to negotiate with their direct employer.
The article is confusing but it sounds like the union wants both C and G at the table, but C and G both agree that C should be the employer and G doesn’t need to join the talks. So C is saying, if you really want G to join, you’ll have to wait until the appeals are finished.
I’m guessing the union doesn’t want to negotiate with C, have C go to G with the terms and G refuse and just causing endless delays in a game of telephone bargaining.
YouTube Music is the enshitttified version of Google Play Music.
YTM: you have a vague hint of network reception, just wait for me to fail loading what I want to load before I consider letting you play your downloaded music.
Which was an enshittified version of Songza. Google lost me for music a loooong time ago.
God I loved Sonza. The best place I ever found to discover new music. RIP Songza
Is there a self-hosted alternative? Would love to do that.
Subsonic and airsonic work. They’re not “pretty” but they do the job and have decent mobile apps.
Subsonic-based alternatives are good too. Navidrome and gonic, for instance.
Could you explain why you don’t like it?
I actually love the fact that all of the underground, unknown, not officially published music I’ve liked on YouTube is there with all my other music, including the stuff I’ve uploaded myself.
Put a large collection of albums into your “Library”.
Now try to pull up a list of a single artist’s albums within your Library.
The “Library” management is so remedial that it’s basically a joke. It can’t measure up to iTunes from 20 years ago. It’s completely unusable for a serious music collection.
It may be fine for people that just listen to singles and playlists, but every other music service can do that too, while also offering complete functionality elsewhere.
YouTube Music is a half-baked, half-complete product. It’s inexplicable that it exists when they literally just needed to do nothing but rebrand Google Play Music.
I completely agree, I miss gpm so much. There’s a lot wrong with it, especially if you have a big collection like you said, but another incredibly annoying thing is the radio for songs, bands, and even genres always seem to come back to the same stuff. I don’t find new music on ytm like I did in gpm
I can’t believe I’m saying it but but I’m with Google here. They are sub-cons so negotiation would surely go through their employer who is cognizant. I’m a sub-contractor, I’m not gonna go to the client and ask for a raise, I’m gonna go to my employer. Maybe it’s different in different regions but if I asked the client for a raise in the uk they would probably just laugh at me.
Yeah thinking about it more, you’re definitely right. I’ve only ever been a W-2 employee (United States) so I know nothing about this kind of thing. If they are employees of another company, they should bargain with them instead, and force them (via strike if required) to negotiate a new contract with Google. I’m very pro worker and support striking to get results but you have to make sure you’re targeting the right business to get the results you want.
You missed the plot. They found a loophole and are probably conspiring to halt the Union. One company says they have to wait for the other to negotiate, the other company says they won’t negotiate because they are not their employees. The whole process enters into a permanent delay, workers get fucked by both companies for months. This is a tale as old as unions have existed. It’s one of the reasons why in most sane countries, unrestricted outsourcing is not allowed and outsourcing in general is heavily regulated. It’s one of the most common tools companies use to abuse workers and avoid responsibilities.
And in that time, they’ll set up a new shit call center under new shit management under a new shitty partner/reseller/vendor and just close that first contract down entirely.
It’s called W-2 because you are Worker, 2nd Class citizen
According to the union, Cognizant has also refused to bargain, citing Google’s appeals as the reason for its delay.
You are 100% correct, so it is especially funny seeing that almost 1/4 of the people downvoted you for no good reason. Holy fuck this site has a huge percentage of utterly clueless Lemmings.
Outsourcing in Europe is heavily scrutinised and regulated due to companies kept choosing to depend on third party agencies do they don’t have to do with strikes and unions.
I just want to see more strikes. 🙂