Linux Mint 22.2 “Zara” Is now available for Download (blog.linuxmint.com)
from Davriellelouna@lemmy.world to technology@lemmy.world on 04 Sep 19:54
https://lemmy.world/post/35452373

Switching my computer from Windows to Linux is one of the best decisions I have ever made🔥👌

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BombOmOm@lemmy.world on 04 Sep 19:57 next collapse

If you are currently running Mint 22.1, the upgrade will show up in the Update Manager > Edit menu.

Edit: I updated my machines this way. I’m guessing it isn’t set to automatically move one from kernel 6.8 to 6.14? I can obviously change the kernel via the Kernels menu in Update Manager, I’m just wondering why this wasn’t automatic.

cupcakezealot@piefed.blahaj.zone on 04 Sep 20:13 collapse

i was going to amend my other comment.

according to this in the release notes:

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HWE kernel issues

To provide support for newer AMD processors, Linux Mint 22.2 ships HWE Kernel 6.14.

This kernel however has issues with:

Virtualbox
Old Intel GPUs which use the i915 driver
Old NVIDIA cards which use the 470 driver (this driver is no longer supported by NVIDIA and thus doesn't support newer kernels)

If you are affected by one of these issues, we recommend you install Linux Mint 22.1 instead, which ships with LTS kernel 6.8.

You can then perform an upgrade towards 22.2 without switching towards the HWE kernel.

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i ran lspci -k | grep -EA3 'VGA|3D|Display' and i confirmed i was running i915 but i'm also currently on 22.1 with kernel 6.8; so does that mean i can upgrade normally and not worry about the kernel?

danzabia@infosec.pub on 04 Sep 20:30 next collapse

It also says I’m using i915 but I bought this laptop a year ago… so I suspect many Intel GPUs use that driver?

Edit: According to www.kernel.org/doc/html/v6.14-rc3/gpu/i915.html

The drm/i915 driver supports all (with the exception of some very early models) integrated GFX chipsets with both Intel display and rendering blocks.

BombOmOm@lemmy.world on 04 Sep 21:04 collapse

does that mean i can upgrade normally and not worry about the kernel?

Yeah, just doing the upgrade via Update Manager > Edit menu leaves you on the 6.8 kernel. Confirmed with all three of my machines I upgraded.

Two of them I have since put on kernel 6.14 via Update Manager > Kernels, after updating to Mint 22.2 and seeing it still on kernel 6.8.

cupcakezealot@piefed.blahaj.zone on 04 Sep 19:59 next collapse

oh god i'm nervous i just switched from windows to linux in march and this will be my first big update :o

spaghettiwestern@sh.itjust.works on 04 Sep 20:34 next collapse

I’ve been running Mint since 17.x and have only had one upgrade fail in all that time. You’re very unlikely to have a problem, but backup your system just in case!

cupcakezealot@piefed.blahaj.zone on 04 Sep 20:44 next collapse

ooh i have timeshift automatically set up anyway :)

Linearity@infosec.pub on 05 Sep 02:03 next collapse

You got people like this guy and then you got me who had to reinstall mint 3 times because of upgrade and compatibility issues and then I eventually gave up on it 😭😭
And that happened in the span of one month too.

Eventually switched to Kubuntu and now I use Arch btw WITH BTRFS 🤤

DasFaultier@sh.itjust.works on 05 Sep 05:22 collapse

Hooray for boobies BTRFS!

prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone on 05 Sep 19:21 collapse

Or use something like TimeShift and set it to automatically create backups.

Before I switched to the boringly stable Bazzite, TimeShift was a godsend. I was able to learn so much about Linux just by not having to worry about fucking up my install because whenever I did, it was trivial to rollback.

Sarothazrom@lemmy.world on 05 Sep 04:12 next collapse

I’m in the same boat! Gonna update tomorrow when I’m not sleepy

StupidBrotherInLaw@lemmy.world on 05 Sep 20:16 next collapse

I adore the Linux community because it’s collectively so nice. If you cock it up, someone here will help you fix it.

cupcakezealot@piefed.blahaj.zone on 05 Sep 21:23 collapse

so far it's been so good! i think the only issue i've had with linux is that it will randomly freeze everything (usually if I try to load a tab in librewolf/chrome that's a chonky boi or if i'm in zoom) on my laptop and i have to hard reset and i can't figure out how to search for it because i really don't know what causes it :(

StupidBrotherInLaw@lemmy.world on 05 Sep 23:05 next collapse

I’d post to the Linux community on Lemmy or the Linux Mint support forum and someone(s) will guide you. There’s even a guide to help you gather information and ask effective questions. I’m a Linux newb so I’m not very helpful on the technical end, but let me know if I can assist.

humanoidchaos@lemmy.cif.su on 06 Sep 08:35 collapse

It could be you’re running out of RAM.

You could try typing free or free -h in a terminal to see how much RAM you’re using. If you see swap as 0, then it means you don’t have it set up or enabled.

I don’t want to waste time explaining swap space if that’s not your issue, but if it is then you can probably figure it out with some searching or come back for help once you’ve confirmed that RAM is the problem.

cupcakezealot@piefed.blahaj.zone on 06 Sep 12:57 collapse

oh thanks that does make sense since it happened on my laptop but not on my desktop; i only have 12gb of ram on the laptop and the swap was only 2gb so i upped it to 8gb but we'll see if that does anything if it happens again!

theherk@lemmy.world on 06 Sep 09:27 collapse

Worth mentioning you are a okay not to update.

KingDingbat@lemmy.world on 04 Sep 20:22 next collapse

As usual, my timing is impeccable. I just downloaded 22.1 last night lol

Lost_My_Mind@lemmy.world on 04 Sep 20:27 next collapse

Good job!

BombOmOm@lemmy.world on 04 Sep 21:06 collapse

Head on over to Update Manager > Edit and upgrade to 22.2!

maximumbird@lemmy.world on 05 Sep 02:56 collapse

Thank you for this

londos@lemmy.world on 04 Sep 21:10 next collapse

Sorry for a noob question, but is there a recommended flavor (xfce/mate/cinnamon) for a 2010 era laptop, or is there no reason not to use cinnamon?

BombOmOm@lemmy.world on 04 Sep 21:18 next collapse

Cinnamon uses slightly more resources than the other two. But, it’s lightweight enough I doubt you are going to have an issue, even with a computer of that era.

londos@lemmy.world on 04 Sep 22:04 next collapse

Thanks for the feedback! Its a surprisingly big hurdle, especially for someone indecisive that’s not going to try all three.

flightyhobler@lemmy.world on 04 Sep 22:19 collapse

With Rufus running on a usb stick, trying out all 3 is a 30 minute affair. Download included if your internet speed is high enough.

londos@lemmy.world on 05 Sep 00:03 collapse

I never considered it before, but I see now Rufus lets you as multiple images to one stick. Thanks!

flightyhobler@lemmy.world on 05 Sep 06:48 collapse

Have fun distro hopping 😄

cupcakezealot@piefed.blahaj.zone on 04 Sep 23:21 collapse

can't you switch from xfce to cinnamon and vice versa too?

ProdigalFrog@slrpnk.net on 05 Sep 01:19 next collapse

Yes, but a user would need to be experienced enough to know how to uninstall the previous desktop environment components they don’t want, otherwise their application menu would have both DE’s applications (2 file managers, photo viewer’s, text editors, terminals, etc), which can feel a little cluttered.

BombOmOm@lemmy.world on 05 Sep 01:26 collapse

Yeah, you can install both, then just pick which one you want during login.

forums.linuxmint.com/viewtopic.php?t=214635

Fecundpossum@lemmy.world on 05 Sep 00:20 next collapse

I’d say RAM is going to be the largest performance bottle neck for a desktop environment on an older machine. 4gb of RAM? don’t bother with cinnamon, you’ll likely have a much better experience with Mate or XFCE. 8gb is about where I’d even bother to test out cinnamon.

Zen_Shinobi@lemmy.world on 05 Sep 02:56 next collapse

Hard to say without specs. I’d go with XFCE and then MATE right behind it. With a lower end PC, I doubt it could handle the fanciness of Cinnamon and still run software

Lumisal@lemmy.world on 05 Sep 03:07 collapse

You should probably take a look into puppy Linux, if low specs. Otherwise anything with xfce should run better on it.

ouRKaoS@lemmy.today on 05 Sep 03:25 collapse

I ran Puppy off of a 4gb USB for almost 2 years when the hard drive crashed in my desktop years ago. As far as the “it just works” OS’s go, it was fantastic.

Nothing is more permanent than a temporary solution that works well!

LifeInMultipleChoice@lemmy.world on 04 Sep 21:38 next collapse

I ran it it remotely logging in from RustDesk while working. Jellyfin (caddy), Copyparty, and my Pihole all run on that machine and it finished and all continued working after it restarted.

Time estimate: 10 mins

BoloMKXXVIII@piefed.social on 04 Sep 23:42 next collapse

It doesn't seem like that big of an update. Unless you need something listed in the release notes, you can stay where you are. I am running 21.3. It is good until 2026. My configuration is a bit complex and I hate spending the time to update.

WeebLife@lemmy.world on 05 Sep 00:30 collapse

It fixed dark mode not working properly in Firefox. 100% needed for me lol.

BoloMKXXVIII@piefed.social on 05 Sep 00:41 next collapse

Glad it helped you.

Pxtl@lemmy.ca on 05 Sep 02:29 collapse

That’s weird, I haven’t gotten the update yet but dark mode is working fine in FF for me. The place where it fails is ff-based webapps, which I use for YouTube music, Discord, and MS Teams.

WeebLife@lemmy.world on 05 Sep 03:20 collapse

That’s weird. I don’t use any of those other programs but Firefox dark mode has been broken for a while for me.

cschreib@lemmy.world on 05 Sep 20:27 collapse

There are simple workarounds you can try to fix it, see for example github.com/linuxmint/cinnamon/issues/12994#issuec…

panda_abyss@lemmy.ca on 05 Sep 01:57 next collapse

After using Fedora for a few days I do not care for the desktop environment and hot keys

But holy fuck how have I been sleeping on toolboxes?

The dev environment is great, I’m loving it. I even installed fedora 43 in a container to test out some rocm features and I didn’t even need to reboot.

prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone on 05 Sep 19:23 collapse

What desktop environment are you using, KDE Plasma?

But yeah, Bazzite is immutable Fedora, and distrobox is essential (and comes pre-installed). Seems underutilized.

panda_abyss@lemmy.ca on 05 Sep 19:57 collapse

Gnome, which I used to love 20 years ago lol

I thought Bazzite was just for gaming… o would rather a near immutable distribo, once it’s set up with VPN and stuff I want everything else in containers and running at user privileges.

prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone on 05 Sep 20:01 next collapse

It’s geared towards gaming, but it’s a fully functioning distro.

But yeah if you’re not using it for gaming, it’s based on Fedora Kinoite I think.

panda_abyss@lemmy.ca on 05 Sep 20:11 collapse

I might check that out.

I would use it for gaming but I have a Studio Display which my framework seems to not like (which I mostly name in Apple… the interop is awful but it’s a beautiful monitor).

When I figure things out more I’ll try and move it to my tv though.

Lawnman23@lemmy.world on 05 Sep 20:13 collapse

I despise Gnome these days, used to love it back in the Gnome 2 days.

Give KDE Plasma a try with Fedora, it’s pretty darn awesome.

panda_abyss@lemmy.ca on 05 Sep 20:25 next collapse

I’ll give it a try this weekend

panda_abyss@lemmy.ca on 07 Sep 16:03 collapse

Just installed it, it’s much better, and actually works with my thunderbolt display.

Coming from almost 20 years of macos, I am not used to the taskbar + windowing layout, but I’ll see if I can customize that a bit more. Hotkeys are better than Gnome though.

Zen_Shinobi@lemmy.world on 05 Sep 02:58 next collapse

I updated last night and don’t see much of a change in my experience other than my toolbar icon look different. I streamed fo 2.5 hours on Arma Refroger no issues

Hugin@lemmy.world on 05 Sep 19:45 next collapse

Woohoo. After a hardware upgrade that requires kernel 6.14 or newer I’ve been stuck on arch. Time to breakout the old drive and try an upgrade.

Lawnman23@lemmy.world on 05 Sep 20:08 collapse

Fedora also has up to date kernels, if you wanted to run something other than Arch.

LunaChocken@programming.dev on 05 Sep 20:22 next collapse

I use nobara which is a fork of fedora it’s pretty good. Though the update manager gui is complete crap for how slow it is.

Hugin@lemmy.world on 06 Sep 05:46 collapse

At the time of myhardware upgrade it was only arch and nix that supported 6.14.

I’ve got mixed feelings about Fedora. I spent 10 years using a mix of Fedora, Red Hat, CEntOS, and Red Hawk at work so I’m very used to it.

However some of the decisions Red Hat the company have been making make me hesitant about it’s future. It also makes me feel like I’m at work when I use it at home.

It’s not a bad linux family at all and if I was setting up a production server CEntOS would probably be my choice.

polle@feddit.org on 06 Sep 08:59 next collapse

Wayland still in experimental mode? :(

ibot@feddit.org on 06 Sep 09:03 collapse

yes

Mavytan@feddit.nl on 06 Sep 09:46 next collapse

I just briefly went through what’s in the update. It’s mostly visuals and some minor integrations? Or am I missing something?

chronicledmonocle@lemmy.world on 06 Sep 10:51 collapse

Its a point release, so that’s to be expected.

They also updated to kernel 6.14 and updated mesa to 25.0.7, which means for people like me with a Radeon 9060 XT, it’s no longer necessary to use a PPA for updated mesa.

SineNomineAnonymous@lemmy.ml on 06 Sep 13:23 next collapse

Have always wondered how badly it could bork my system if I tried to “turn” my beautiful Kubuntu install into a Linux Mint install.

Anyone has any advice or experience of doing it without butchering everything? And yes, I would like to stay on KDE.

eldain@feddit.nl on 06 Sep 13:52 collapse

Mint has no KDE install which makes it a hazzle to setup and fragile to upgrade. You also wouldn’t gain anything, because they are both ubuntu based systems. Not worth it imo, like a sidegrade.

You can transplant your desktop onto anything, the configuration is stored in .config and .local in your home folder. Bring those to another distribution with the same software (copy while you are not logged in, ie while in live cd or reuse the home partition without formatting) and it will look the same.

SineNomineAnonymous@lemmy.ml on 08 Sep 21:12 collapse

Thanks for the advice. Wanted to give Cinnamon a go, didn’t go well when I tried installing it on Kubuntu (permissions with access to important files held in KWallet were all screwed up and half the stuff wasn’t working so I kinda gave up).

eldain@feddit.nl on 08 Sep 22:13 collapse

Yeah, it is not impossible, but you are actively going against the maintainers choice of software and configuration, that they can assume you have during every update. That is what makes Arch so popular: no handholding that would get in your way; but also no helping hand from upstream, only documentation how to do it. Cinnamon is maintained by the Mint team and considered difficult to install anywhere else. IMHO when you are used to KDE, it can feel lacking.

twice_hatch@midwest.social on 06 Sep 13:41 collapse

But it’s 2024 🤔