bemenaker@lemmy.world
on 07 Nov 2023 16:05
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Well duh
Bishma@discuss.tchncs.de
on 07 Nov 2023 16:14
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Becoming?
WhatAmLemmy@lemmy.world
on 07 Nov 2023 21:29
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Only 1 year ago, Twitter was the shining beacon of evidence based discussion and integrity for the internet age. Never forget.
argo_yamato@lemm.ee
on 07 Nov 2023 16:29
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Wow even nature.com has an article about how bad twitter has become, did not see that one coming.
Kissaki@feddit.de
on 07 Nov 2023 16:46
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You could say it’s about the nature of Twitter.
applejacks@lemmy.world
on 07 Nov 2023 17:02
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they’ve been posting their dumb political takes for years now.
gravitas_deficiency@sh.itjust.works
on 07 Nov 2023 18:41
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You’re aware that Nature is a multidisciplinary scientific journal, yes?
If you’re insinuating that Nature is generally overtly political, you should really see someone to get that cranial-rectal inversion checked out.
poopsmith@lemmy.world
on 08 Nov 2023 02:22
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…such as?
FoundTheVegan@kbin.social
on 07 Nov 2023 16:43
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Not that it's a long ways to fall...
Varyk@sh.itjust.works
on 07 Nov 2023 16:55
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Just like the old Twitter
TornadoRex@sh.itjust.works
on 07 Nov 2023 17:11
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It’s a feature, not a bug.
roguetrick@kbin.social
on 07 Nov 2023 17:16
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The subhead is important in getting the gist of this article "study it now." Meaning the ridiculous amount of research on Twitter was dumb for awhile, but now that it's changing it might be worth looking at.
They also point out why it's not going to happen
Refocusing on studying X won’t be easy. It will require new methods and approaches that do not depend on the large amounts of data that were easily accessible before.
The API access was what made it so heavily studied and the current costs are why this change isn't going to be low hanging fruit for researchers to pump papers out on.
thisisawayoflife@lemmy.world
on 07 Nov 2023 17:22
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I mean if this was written in 2010 I would definitely agree.
Railcar8095@lemm.ee
on 07 Nov 2023 17:57
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I once read a quote that roughly translates as “Even the greatest wizard of all time can’t transform bread into bread”.
I always thought it was stupid, but makes more sense now.
FontMasterFlex@lemmy.world
on 07 Nov 2023 18:14
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It’s always been bad.
demonsword@lemmy.world
on 07 Nov 2023 18:52
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but it has become much worse in the past year
jbk@discuss.tchncs.de
on 07 Nov 2023 18:59
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unrelated to your comment, but demon sword or demon’s word?
agitatedpotato@lemmy.dbzer0.com
on 07 Nov 2023 19:28
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Fuck, now I’m more interested in finding that out than anything about the article.
Hackerman_uwu@lemmy.world
on 08 Nov 2023 09:35
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TBF I’m more interested in pretty much anything than Twitter.
PreviouslyAmused@lemmy.ml
on 07 Nov 2023 19:30
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Asking the important questions.
…. but yeah, which one is it?
demonsword@lemmy.world
on 07 Nov 2023 20:35
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the former, the latter, or none – depending on context
demonsword@lemmy.world
on 07 Nov 2023 19:32
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why not both? :)
FontMasterFlex@lemmy.world
on 07 Nov 2023 19:43
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because you’re being told it is. twitter has always been a cesspool.
demonsword@lemmy.world
on 07 Nov 2023 20:37
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old twitter at least pretended to fight hate speech and disinformation, the “new” twitterX doesn’t give a flying fuck to both issues
Corgana@startrek.website
on 07 Nov 2023 18:53
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This isn’t pointed out enough, IMO. People act like it went sharply downhill under Musk but this is the platform that enabled extremists for years and only even banned Trump when he literally tried to overthrow democracy. Maybe Twitter was good in like 2010 but I really don’t think Musk changed THAT much about it.
USSEthernet@startrek.website
on 07 Nov 2023 19:08
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👋 hello fellow trekkie in the wild
Corgana@startrek.website
on 07 Nov 2023 19:27
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🖖 Hello fellow Website user!
USSEthernet@startrek.website
on 08 Nov 2023 01:20
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Lol I got down voted for saying hi to a fellow trekkie that’s also on the same trek instance as me. I’m pretty sure we are a small instance, so randomly coming across another person from our instance is kinda rare.
Corgana@startrek.website
on 08 Nov 2023 15:47
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FontMasterFlex@lemmy.world
on 07 Nov 2023 19:44
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It’s just because people are being TOLD that it’s bad now. It’s literally no worse than it was 5 years ago. Twitter has always been a cesspool of human “thought”.
Corgana@startrek.website
on 07 Nov 2023 22:33
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Agree completely. I think it might be easier for journalists (et al) to tell themselves “Elon made it bad” than it is to admit they had been contributing their efforts to a bad place all this time. Twitter was never very big, and most people avoided it like the plague, but there is a certain class of person who got addicted easily.
In the old days, there was a hierarchy of reputability. At the top you had the bluechecks that generally represented reputable sources of information, who had premium billing in the platform. Then you had the normies. Then you had the slush-pit of soft-blocked people that were shoved into the “other replies” box because everybody hated them and they only followed their network of bots.
Now, the hierarchy is reversed. The slush-pit people are now have blue-checks, the algorithmic boost on blue-checks is even stronger, and half of the old reputable blue-checks have left.
This is like saying “Reddit/Lemmy has always been awful” if we made the upvotes/downvotes of all the worst people on the site worth 100X what a normal person’s upvote/downvote was worth. Yes, there have always been problems, but they can get worse.
FontMasterFlex@lemmy.world
on 07 Nov 2023 19:45
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You must not pay attention, I’m new to Lemmy, but Reddit’s been garbage for years. Seems like a lot of that garbage made it’s way to Lemmy too. Face it anything that you can hide behind a screen and a keyboard with relative anonymity is fucking shit. It outs people for the kind of person they REALLY are when they don’t have to face the repercussions of saying shit to someones face.
DABDA@lemmy.world
on 07 Nov 2023 20:13
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Face it anything that you can hide behind a screen and a keyboard with relative anonymity is fucking shit.
Not nearly this bad. Go read the article. It’s much easier to spread crap nowadays, even though you could before.
grue@lemmy.world
on 07 Nov 2023 18:22
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As Elon and the Saudis intended.
thorbot@lemmy.world
on 07 Nov 2023 18:22
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“This shitty site is still shitty! Click our article pleeeeease”
jose1324@lemmy.world
on 07 Nov 2023 18:23
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Becoming?
masquenox@lemmy.world
on 07 Nov 2023 18:55
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It’s always been a cesspit of misinformation… Phony Stark is now merely advertising it as a feature.
photonic_sorcerer@lemmy.dbzer0.com
on 07 Nov 2023 19:35
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Love that nickname! Imma steal it.
Shardikprime@lemmy.world
on 07 Nov 2023 19:29
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Always-has-been.webp
MargotRobbie@lemmy.world
on 07 Nov 2023 19:37
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Twitter’s influence has always been overstated by the media type, and the personalized recommendation algorithm it used has always been a black box to be gamed, and what this article really showed is that it is an inheritly unfair game and the people who writes the rules of the platform (in this case, Musk), can push whatever hot take they want to push to influence public opinion, and people who don’t have that level of access to Twitter will brute force follower with bots in the hopes that it’ll lure more real users to influence.
So, dead internet theory and all, until we fully automate Twitter to bots influencing bots. There is no authenticity anymore, it’s all disinformation from all sides.
Nowadays, I like to pretend that I never had a Twitter or Insta. Not a healthy way of coping, I know, but it’s way less stressful that way.
ExLisper@linux.community
on 08 Nov 2023 06:33
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It’s ok, you can still say it. No one will think you copied it.
hyperhopper@lemmy.ml
on 08 Nov 2023 03:03
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Didn’t the mods say they were going to do something about musk/Twitter spam?
This isn’t even about something Twitter did
This isn’t even about something Twitter might do
This is just a dude talking about what everybody knows about Twitter. And musk fans upvote anything Twitter, and musk haters upvote this out of a sense of validation that is shit.
Voting is not good for this, please ban the musk spam
Block it yourself. Block the words “elon” and “musk”. You won’t miss anything.
solidsnake2085@lemmy.world
on 08 Nov 2023 04:29
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So just like old Twitter, who cares, shut it down.
ChickenLadyLovesLife@lemmy.world
on 08 Nov 2023 11:01
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To paraphrase Mitch “RIP” Hedburg: I’m a cesspool of disinformation. I used to be a cesspool of disinformation, but I’m still one, too.
StraightArrow@feddit.de
on 08 Nov 2023 05:37
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I’ve never used Twitter, nor liked it, but in 2010 I had to observe that it was indeed useful when it became one of the primary ways for people to communicate during the Arab Spring.
Since then I kept not being into it, but at least I thought it had some important value I had not seen.
Now it’s all locked up, so it really has become useless (and I haven’t even talked about the rampant disinformation)
RIP Twitter
Edit: fixed grammar
demesisx@infosec.pub
on 08 Nov 2023 13:39
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This is
by design
z00s@lemmy.world
on 08 Nov 2023 15:04
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threaded - newest
Well duh
Becoming?
Only 1 year ago, Twitter was the shining beacon of evidence based discussion and integrity for the internet age. Never forget.
Wow even nature.com has an article about how bad twitter has become, did not see that one coming.
You could say it’s about the nature of Twitter.
they’ve been posting their dumb political takes for years now.
You’re aware that Nature is a multidisciplinary scientific journal, yes?
If you’re insinuating that Nature is generally overtly political, you should really see someone to get that cranial-rectal inversion checked out.
…such as?
Not that it's a long ways to fall...
Just like the old Twitter
It’s a feature, not a bug.
The subhead is important in getting the gist of this article "study it now." Meaning the ridiculous amount of research on Twitter was dumb for awhile, but now that it's changing it might be worth looking at.
They also point out why it's not going to happen
The API access was what made it so heavily studied and the current costs are why this change isn't going to be low hanging fruit for researchers to pump papers out on.
I mean if this was written in 2010 I would definitely agree.
I once read a quote that roughly translates as “Even the greatest wizard of all time can’t transform bread into bread”.
I always thought it was stupid, but makes more sense now.
It’s always been bad.
but it has become much worse in the past year
unrelated to your comment, but demon sword or demon’s word?
Fuck, now I’m more interested in finding that out than anything about the article.
TBF I’m more interested in pretty much anything than Twitter.
Asking the important questions.
…. but yeah, which one is it?
the former, the latter, or none – depending on context
why not both? :)
because you’re being told it is. twitter has always been a cesspool.
old twitter at least pretended to fight hate speech and disinformation, the
“new” twitterX doesn’t give a flying fuck to both issuesThis isn’t pointed out enough, IMO. People act like it went sharply downhill under Musk but this is the platform that enabled extremists for years and only even banned Trump when he literally tried to overthrow democracy. Maybe Twitter was good in like 2010 but I really don’t think Musk changed THAT much about it.
👋 hello fellow trekkie in the wild
🖖 Hello fellow Website user!
Lol I got down voted for saying hi to a fellow trekkie that’s also on the same trek instance as me. I’m pretty sure we are a small instance, so randomly coming across another person from our instance is kinda rare.
<img alt="Hmm" src="https://startrek.website/pictrs/image/4f24e50f-7d17-4bce-a2e1-391aaec93243.png">
Illogical.
It’s just because people are being TOLD that it’s bad now. It’s literally no worse than it was 5 years ago. Twitter has always been a cesspool of human “thought”.
Agree completely. I think it might be easier for journalists (et al) to tell themselves “Elon made it bad” than it is to admit they had been contributing their efforts to a bad place all this time. Twitter was never very big, and most people avoided it like the plague, but there is a certain class of person who got addicted easily.
Okay, but the new Twitter reinstated him, and a bunch of Nazis.
I mean, old Twitter was jokingly called “the hellsite” by its users but its new Elongated form is quite a lot worse.
This is overstated.
In the old days, there was a hierarchy of reputability. At the top you had the bluechecks that generally represented reputable sources of information, who had premium billing in the platform. Then you had the normies. Then you had the slush-pit of soft-blocked people that were shoved into the “other replies” box because everybody hated them and they only followed their network of bots.
Now, the hierarchy is reversed. The slush-pit people are now have blue-checks, the algorithmic boost on blue-checks is even stronger, and half of the old reputable blue-checks have left.
This is like saying “Reddit/Lemmy has always been awful” if we made the upvotes/downvotes of all the worst people on the site worth 100X what a normal person’s upvote/downvote was worth. Yes, there have always been problems, but they can get worse.
You must not pay attention, I’m new to Lemmy, but Reddit’s been garbage for years. Seems like a lot of that garbage made it’s way to Lemmy too. Face it anything that you can hide behind a screen and a keyboard with relative anonymity is fucking shit. It outs people for the kind of person they REALLY are when they don’t have to face the repercussions of saying shit to someones face.
Once coined as: John Gabriel’s G.I.F.T.
I still reference G.I.F.T. a few times a year. Glad to see someone else doing it.
Damn, UT 2003 was 20 years ago…
Yes.
But here’s the thing:
Reddit/Lemmy: those people have equal voice to you or me. Of course they can amplify that voice with sockpuppets, but still - one account one vote.
Old Twitter: those people have downmodded influence. Twitter knew everybody hates them and treated them like the garbage they are.
New Twitter: those people rule the roost, because they’re willing to pay Elon $8/mo for a megaphone for their jackassery.
You can pay $8/mo and have your own platform too. What’s the issue?
Not nearly this bad. Go read the article. It’s much easier to spread crap nowadays, even though you could before.
As Elon and the Saudis intended.
“This shitty site is still shitty! Click our article pleeeeease”
Becoming?
It’s always been a cesspit of misinformation… Phony Stark is now merely advertising it as a feature.
Love that nickname! Imma steal it.
Always-has-been.webp
Twitter’s influence has always been overstated by the media type, and the personalized recommendation algorithm it used has always been a black box to be gamed, and what this article really showed is that it is an inheritly unfair game and the people who writes the rules of the platform (in this case, Musk), can push whatever hot take they want to push to influence public opinion, and people who don’t have that level of access to Twitter will brute force follower with bots in the hopes that it’ll lure more real users to influence.
So, dead internet theory and all, until we fully automate Twitter to bots influencing bots. There is no authenticity anymore, it’s all disinformation from all sides.
Nowadays, I like to pretend that I never had a Twitter or Insta. Not a healthy way of coping, I know, but it’s way less stressful that way.
“Becoming”
LOL
Was going to say this same thing.
It’s ok, you can still say it. No one will think you copied it.
Didn’t the mods say they were going to do something about musk/Twitter spam?
This isn’t even about something Twitter did
This isn’t even about something Twitter might do
This is just a dude talking about what everybody knows about Twitter. And musk fans upvote anything Twitter, and musk haters upvote this out of a sense of validation that is shit.
Voting is not good for this, please ban the musk spam
Block it yourself. Block the words “elon” and “musk”. You won’t miss anything.
So just like old Twitter, who cares, shut it down.
To paraphrase Mitch “RIP” Hedburg: I’m a cesspool of disinformation. I used to be a cesspool of disinformation, but I’m still one, too.
I’ve never used Twitter, nor liked it, but in 2010 I had to observe that it was indeed useful when it became one of the primary ways for people to communicate during the Arab Spring.
Since then I kept not being into it, but at least I thought it had some important value I had not seen.
Now it’s all locked up, so it really has become useless (and I haven’t even talked about the rampant disinformation)
RIP Twitter
Edit: fixed grammar
This is
by design
New? Becoming?!
“Becoming”