Microsoft's OneDrive spots your mates, remembers their faces, and won't forget easily
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According to Microsoft’s documentation, a user can only change the setting to enable or disable the new People section three times a year.
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If I hadn't abandoned OneDrive already, this would make me do so.
Yeah but they are taking your data from the laptop your mum bought yesterday and put all the family vacation pictures on. Mum didn’t know she had to kill off OneDrive or Microsoft will hoover up and monetise your memories.
Jokes on them, the friends and family that aren’t techs are mac users. I’m the only w11 user and that’s only for work. (And you bet your fat arse that’s lobotomised)
Fortunately not... I'm generally the one responsible for IT maintenance with my parents' as they get older. Disabled OneDrive long ago since they don't use it.
No, you really, truly can’t “rugged individualism” your way out of a societal problem. Remember that wedding you went to a few months ago? Someone uploaded this photos and now your social graph has been recorded. When your friend’s kid had a birthday party a few weeks ago? You were uploaded and graphed again. When you were out at that restaurant and you were in the background of someone’s date selfie? Graphed again.
The only solution to this problem is real data protection law, like the GDPR in the EU.
Oh, I definitely agree. We need better privacy and data protection laws here in Australia too. In the meantime, however, I do what I can to minimise my footprint. I'm well aware that other people are going to be the weak link!
Ha, joke’s on you Microsoft: I don’t have any mates.
By mates, do they mean buddies or procreative partners?
Yes
Both are good
Australians
WTF is up with MS doing this rate limiting? I just learned that Win11 will lock you out of your own machine for 2 hours if you restart too many times, like if you have a dualboot and are doing something that requires restarts to resolve.
What the shit? Ooh, I need to test this on my work computer!
it’s a very good feature. if you have too much work and need a longer break, just restart a few times. i may need to change my work laptop from macbook to a windows
You have a work MacBook? Man, your company must be filthy stinkin’ rich.
We all have MacBook Pros because we don’t want to deal with IT. It’s better than Windows, but I miss Linux.
we have macbooks, windows laptops and even ubuntus. they give us any hardware we want, even 50" ultrawides 😅
This is why I decided to dual-boot Ubuntu and Win10 until I’m fully comfortable on Linux. Every single thing about Win11 just makes my skin crawl.
Last week it was the news that they’re eliminating methods to install the OS at all without being signed into a MS account. The degree of snooping had no plausible explanation other than for Microsoft to harvest and sell your data.
You won’t regret it! Ubuntu is a solid choice for your first foray into Linux.
As someone who was in your exact position several years ago, nice!
I’d recommend Linux Mint to newcomers though. It’s based on Ubuntu and is even easier to get comfortable with (much better GUI for updates and app “store”), but it strips out all the Microsoft-like stuff that Canonical have been doing in recent years.
Pop!_OS (also based on Ubuntu) and Bazzite are also meant to be beginner friendly, and are particularly geared towards gaming on Linux, especially the latter.
I started with mint, but the more I see about Bazzite the more I wish I had started there. It just seems slightly more aligned to my needs.
Great thing about Linux is you can change your distro whenever you want.
If you’re uncertain, or not ready to go through the process just yet, you can always just boot Bazzite off a USB drive and play around with it for now.
I actually went with Tuxedo OS, which is based on the Ubuntu kernel but has a very noob-friendly desktop environment.
My daily driver laptop is a 12-year-old Hackintosh MBP that I’ve been repairing for years, but I’ve priced out a Tuxedo laptop for when it finally kicks the bucket. So I started dual booting Tuxedo on that as well to get my bearings.
Once I’m a little more experienced, I’m definitely interested to check out other distros! Right now it’s a lot of looking up terminal commands and learning the architecture. The firmware fan control in the MacBook is shot - fans blasting at full speed due to a failed GPU temp sensor that makes the computer assume it’s overheating - so I’ve already learned how to write to /sys/ with a custom fan control based on the working sensor in the CPU die.
It’s been really fun so far. You get the sense of just having vastly greater control over the hardware at a low level and the ability to control how it functions in a way that Windows and MacOS completely obfuscate. I still have very little idea what I’m doing in the terminal, but I’m starting to pick it up.
Preventing their shitty brute force protection from allowing someone to get a users MS account password because they are FORCING users to use a non-local account?
The computer would have to store a hash locally to authenticate that account offline, so this is very likely why this is here. Because they’ve enabled a path to brute forcing their cloud accounts without their servers knowing.
The windows shithole is just layers of bad design all the way down.
SMH a workaround for a workaround to enable their shitty surveillance. Pure genius.
I think that’s why it’s recommended to encrypt files containing personal information with a separate tool before uploading them to any cloud service. It prevents big data from automatically processing your Information and protects you from leaks.
In Europe this probably goes against GDPR, right? If I don’t agree, they should not collect my face
The fuck is that goddamn thumbnail. You keep shalehket out of this shit.
Yeah it’s in awful taste; thanks for pointing it out. For those who are not familiar with the art installation: www.jmberlin.de/en/shalekhet-fallen-leaves
So, will this look through porn videos as well? Asking for a friend.
Now you can easily find all the porn videos you have collected of any of your friends!
I’m done defending idiots. Use sh%t, get hit.
Why are they using electricity for stuff no one asked for? It seems to be too cheap over there…
But if we feed enough data to the AI slop machine, one day you can get your own Knight Rider car! /s
I’m holding out for an Airwolf or Street Hawk.
Why do you think no one asks for stuff like this? Facial recognition is one of the best features of photo storage systems as it lets you easily find all of your photos that have certain people in them. It’s fantastic for making shared albums with family members where any pics of certain people are automatically added once recognized.
Onedrive having it makes using Onedrive for photo storage and sharing a much better experience.
If you really want it, you should be able to enable it. No reason to do that with the other 90% who don’t need it.
So your argument now is just that it should be disabled by default?
Regarding electricity: yes
Regarding privacy: no, but my privacy views are based on what we have in Germany, where the feature might not be allowed at all.
Does google photos have this feature in Germany like it does where I am?
I feel like people are misunderstanding what this actually is. When you upload photos, it detects faces and lets you tag those faces with a name, and then you can just click on that person and it will show you all the photos you have of that person. That’s it. It’s not sharing them with anyone. Why on earth would that be not allowed?
Only if it can be done locally. I don’t want my fucking face going out to a bunch of asshole corporations databases any more than absolutely necessary. Shit like this is why I don’t let people take my picture.
It’s not?
Do you not understand how cloud services work?
Do you?
What about this topic makes you think anything like this is happening?
When you put your photos (or anything else) on onedrive they go to Microsoft’s servers. Microsoft now has your photos. That is how this works. They aren’t pushing so hard to coerce Windows users into using it for benevolent reasons.
So you want it to be done locally against photos that are stored in the cloud?
This only happens for photos that you upload to onedrive. Why or how would it happen “locally”?
You said “a bunch of asshole corporations databases” - who are the “bunch of corporations”? Microsoft is only 1 corporation.
I don’t want my photos in the cloud period.
Have the software run on the PC or a server that you own.
Any corporation that lets you upload photos. Onedrive, google, facebook, whoever. They’re all abusing your data.
So why are you uploading your photos to Onedrive? If you’re not then why are you complaining about this feature that only exists does people who do?
You seem to be arguing about something completely off topic. Doing the face recognition on your local machine only to have the photos and tagged faces uploaded to onedrive makes no sense because the point of it is to automatically identify all photos of the tagged people so you can then find them all with a simple search for their name, and make custom auto-updating albums of specific people.
What exactly is your point?
To wake others up to the fact that it’s not a good service to use and to the fact that maybe the people in the pictures they are uploading also don’t want to have their image handed over to all these corporations. Have you ever asked the people in your pictures about this? I don’t even let anyone take my picture anymore because everyone and their grandma has been ignoring my wishes about that since fucking myspace.
It’s not a good service to use? Why?
Lol you sound like a tonne of fun. What issue do you have with people having photos of you on their services?
They are using your data to build profiles on everyone, train their AIs, helping the government spy on you, and god knows what else. Your right, it’s not fun that we have to worry about this but that’s not my fault.
lol maybe make a new tin foil hat, your current one is a bit tight.
Microsoft spend a fortune on funding “renewable” energy to power their data centres, and also have their own private on-site “renewable” power generation at many of their data centres.
Not sure why people are talking about the “you can only enable or disable it 3 times a year” as if it’s an issue? This is generally a thing you’d either turn off or on once, depending on what it defaults to. Why would anyone need to turn it on or off 3 times in a year?
Why would they need to limit you?
Irrelevant. Why would anyone need to turn it on or off 3 times in a year?
Why do you need to know how other people use software to understand why arbitrary limits are arbitrary?
I would assume that the “arbitrary limit” is actually based on something like the amount of processing power that it could take to go through every single photo/file that is uploaded.
Anyway, even if it is arbitrary - what reason would anyone have to turn it on and off more than 3x a year? It’s something you’d decide you either want or you don’t.
That’s none of your business. You don’t need to know why anyone wants to do a thing to advocate for their freedom to do it.
Just because you lack the imagination to think of reasons someone might have, doesn’t mean that they don’t have a perfectly good reason. But, they shouldn’t need to justify themselves to you.
The don’t have to justify themselves to me, they have to figure out how to handle only changing it 3 times a year.
I’m trying to understand any reasons why someone would turn it on/off more than once. Not asking people to “justify”, just curious because it’s not something that makes sense to turn on and off multiple times.
You don’t know why they might want to do this thing. I also don’t know why they would want to do this thing. The difference is, I 👏 Don’t 👏 Care 👏. My opinion of their reason to want to do it is irrelevant to my advocating their freedom to do it.
And that’s all I’m going to say on the subject. If you can’t understand that basic fact, then I don’t know what else I can say.
I don’t care either though, I’m just asking why to try to understand the argument people like you are making.
The feature is a yes/no option, and it has no downsides for the user. It costs you nothing, it doesn’t affect performance, it doesn’t need extra privacy permissions or anything. I’m just trying to understand why anyone works firstly turn it off if it defaults to on, and then secondly why they would then turn it back on, then back off, and so on. Maybe there’s something I am missing about it that I don’t know? Maybe there’s something buried in the fine print?
Some when did trying to get more of an understanding become so offensive to some people?
It’s like if my health insurance said “we’ve just added elective surgeries to your plan at no cost. You can opt out/in up to 3 times a year” - I genuinely can’t see a reason why anyone would opt out once, let alone 3+ times a year, and so far no one has even attempted to give a reason why anyone would.
Unlike you, clearly, I like to learn things, especially about what makes people tick. I’m also a big believer in if you can’t explain your reasoning for your decision logically then you must have arrived at your decision illogically.
For someone called freedom advocate you sure don’t sound like one.
What part of letting me name people in my uploaded photos so I can easily find all of the photos of them is somehow anti-freedom?
If it works the same way Immich does, probably because they have to retrain the models every time you turn it back on and want to aboid poeple turning it on when they need it, then off again, then back on, … Although a less shitty mehod would be to limit the amount of times you can turn it on but I guess that iterferes with their goal of harvesting your data.
IMO current best case scenario
Give MS a bunch of fake mates. Fill their models with NOISE.
If you’re stuck with Windows 11, this removes OneDrive nicely.
Jokes on them, I have no friends.
Get a second drive, SD card, USB, ssd whatever and have it just for your back ups. If your back up drive fails, well, fuck