Gen Z is ditching iPhones for $100 'feature phones,' and the numbers don't lie (www.zdnet.com)
from fne8w2ah@lemmy.world to technology@lemmy.world on 27 Aug 2023 16:42
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Fiivemacs@lemmy.ca on 27 Aug 2023 16:45 next collapse

They all realized a $100 phone does the same shit as a $1500 phone… There is nothing they add to the expensive phones that justify the price

eager_eagle@lemmy.world on 27 Aug 2023 17:02 next collapse

A $200 smartphone does the same, but the article is about feature phones.

VM_Abrantes@kbin.social on 27 Aug 2023 17:46 next collapse

Hell, with all of the features that are being removed these days, there's no justification for the price.

Now that LG is out of the market, I had to get a Nokia smartphone just to get an external microSD card slot and aux port.

$1000+ phone with capped internal memory for the purpose of pushing subscription cloud storage? Or a $300 phone with expandable physical storage?

glacier@lemmy.blahaj.zone on 27 Aug 2023 17:07 collapse

It’s more about wanting to take a break from looking at a screen and watching shitty ads for so many hours per day.

KLISHDFSDF@lemmy.ml on 27 Aug 2023 18:18 collapse

People need to (re)discover adblockers and alternative apps.

  • Firefox+uBlock Origin takes care of nearly all ads on the web.
  • NewPipe Lets you watch YouTube without ads (and lets you download videos).
  • Pixelfed is like insta without the ads (or people, lets be honest, but you gotta be the change you want to see)
  • Mastodon is twitter without ads
  • Lemmy reddit without ads

We have the tools and technology, its just a matter of people making the move, but that’s hard because of the network effect.

j4k3@lemmy.world on 27 Aug 2023 16:53 next collapse

If I was not disabled with way too much time to burn, and where the weight of a phone is ideal, I would go back to a dumb flip phone like this. Smart phones are an addiction that, at best, must be consciously managed. Heck, I’m beside my workstation procrastinating right now.

Aurenkin@sh.itjust.works on 27 Aug 2023 17:22 collapse

It’s after 1AM and I’m meant to be sleeping…what the heck am I doing? I’ll put the phone down now, just after I post this comment and maybe just refresh my front page one more time.

Macaroni_ninja@lemmy.world on 27 Aug 2023 17:00 next collapse

For the past 10 years I never bought a phone for more than 300 euros.

I usually get a new phone every 3 years to have the latest tech and donate or recycle the old one.

For the last year I had an iPhone 13 pro (usually goes around 1100 euro) as a work phone and my personal Redmi Note 11 Pro I bought for 270 euros and not once I told myself: Man, this iphone is at least 3 times better than my Xiaomi. It’s clearly a premium product but a middle category budget phone can match most features and even more. I still have a headphone jack, bigger 120 Hz screen, IR blaster and an amazing fingerprint sensor.

14th_cylon@lemm.ee on 27 Aug 2023 17:16 next collapse

iphone is clever marketing scheme to become a status symbol for a generation that no longer has a car as one.

Hamartiogonic@sopuli.xyz on 28 Aug 2023 07:32 collapse

And that’s why you shouldn’t buy those things new. If you really really want one, get a used one. Sure, it’s a few years old, but it’s fine as long as it’s still updated. Besides, you’re paying only a fraction of what it was when it was released.

14th_cylon@lemm.ee on 28 Aug 2023 08:28 collapse

you are talking about a car, right? because it doesn’t work well for iphone with their planned obsolescence… www.ifixit.com/News/11208/batterygate-timeline

Hamartiogonic@sopuli.xyz on 28 Aug 2023 08:48 collapse

Decaying battery is a serious issue in the long run. As long as you’re not buying a 5 year old phone, you should be fine. Get something that’s about 1-4 years old instead and check the battery health before the purchase.

If you need a battery replacement, that means that the previous owner abused the battery with suboptimal charging style or maybe the phone is old enough that you won’t be getting updates any more. In the latter case, it’s just pure planned obsolescence.

As for the article, slowing down the phone without the users consent was a bad move IMO. This shows how little Apple respects the user. Then again, tech companies tend to treat us like trash, so that’s nothing new.

Astroturfed@lemmy.world on 27 Aug 2023 17:28 next collapse

Ya, this pretty much me. I had a bad experience with the budget pixel. Wouldn’t recommend them… But otherwise haven’t really missed out on having a top end flagship phone at all.

genoxidedev1@kbin.social on 27 Aug 2023 18:01 next collapse

Yup, I'm on the Redmi train as well, got a Redmi Note 10, will probably upgrade next month or this month depending on how much money I have left after all expenses. Had it for 2 years or something and it has a crack throughout a good length of the screen otherwise I'd keep it even longer. Cost me 200 € new.

May just get the same phone you got or a newer one/alternative if I find one until then. -> Probably the Note 12 (Pro, if the features are worth it), looking at GSMArena right now. Rooting it again will be annoying though

14th_cylon@lemm.ee on 27 Aug 2023 20:12 collapse

Had it for 2 years or something and it has a crack throughout a good length of the screen otherwise I’d keep it even longer.

buying cheap screen covers from dealextreme, 20 pieces at a dollar per piece, is what kept my mi max 3 running for 5 years and counting. it still has enough performance for anything i do on it and i don’t plan throwing it away anytime soon.

genoxidedev1@kbin.social on 29 Aug 2023 16:09 collapse

Just ordered the 12 Pro since I got my paycheck yesterday, I'll definitely conserve it as much as possible and get some good screen protection and take my Note 10 with me if I'm gonna go out drinking or something.

That's what I'm saying today, watch me utterly destroy it within a week.

Edit: got the 8 gig version as well so it will definitely last way longer (+ custom roms), maybe I'll still use it in 5 years like you do ¯\(ツ)

severien@lemmy.world on 27 Aug 2023 19:42 next collapse

Cheap smartphones are an incredible value. My wife bought a 180 EUR Realme 7 about 3 years ago, and it’s still working great, it’s plenty fast for everyday things (she’s not a gamer), has 8 GB RAM …

One thing you really need to compromise on are the cameras. But the problem is that I’m a sucker for cameras, so I keep buying expensive flagships …

14th_cylon@lemm.ee on 27 Aug 2023 20:08 collapse

maybe you would be better buying an actual camera. there are some really good compact cameras that aren’t necessarily heavy

severien@lemmy.world on 27 Aug 2023 20:23 collapse

I have a Fuji X-E3 with some nice lightweight lenses like XF35mm f/2, but even such combo is still far from pocketable. It’s also not great for immediate processing and sharing.

There are some 1 inch sensor compact cameras (Sony RX100), but they are pretty expensive and the IQ difference gets smaller compared to highend smartphones. In the end, my smartphone is the only device I consistently carry everywhere …

outbound5231@lemmy.world on 28 Aug 2023 13:11 collapse

I’ve purchased several budget/midrange phones as my daily driver, and the long term performance simply wasn’t worth it based on the things that I do with my phone.

Now, this is based on cheaper phones with specs from several years so this doesn’t hold true anymore.

coffinwood@feddit.de on 27 Aug 2023 17:01 next collapse

No they don’t. What a rubbish clickbait article.

All they say is that there’s a (niche) trend of a few people using feature phones with expected combined sales of $2.8 million. Versus the $200 billions of iPhones alone.

Bonehead@kbin.social on 27 Aug 2023 17:48 next collapse

They weren't entirely wrong. The numbers don't lie. They just don't say what the author claims it does.

coffinwood@feddit.de on 27 Aug 2023 17:56 collapse

It’s directly in the headline: Gen Z is ditching the iPhone. That’s incorrect in two ways: A) it’s at best one in fifty people buying aforementioned feature phones and B) they don’t even know if all buyers replace their existing phone or buy it as an additional handset.

guyrocket@kbin.social on 27 Aug 2023 18:17 next collapse

I have both a smartphone and a flip phone.

I kept both because the flip phone lets me make phone calls from my basement and many other places that the smartphone cannot.

I have never met anyone else with this setup.

kirklennon@kbin.social on 27 Aug 2023 18:29 next collapse

Can you not use Wi-Fi Calling?

guyrocket@kbin.social on 27 Aug 2023 18:47 collapse

Yes, I could. But that allows the phone company to be lazy about coverage and building their network. The primary reason I pay a monthly cell phone bill is for a good network.

It also gets into security issues that are different from cellular network use.

And what if my internet is down and I have an emergency?

coffinwood@feddit.de on 27 Aug 2023 18:54 next collapse

I have never met anyone else with this setup.

That’s what I mean.

severien@lemmy.world on 27 Aug 2023 19:25 collapse

the flip phone lets me make phone calls from my basement and many other places that the smartphone cannot.

Why? The smartphone supports everything the flip phone does. Honest question.

raef@lemmy.world on 27 Aug 2023 20:13 collapse

I guess the radio is a bit more efficient

severien@lemmy.world on 27 Aug 2023 20:18 collapse

Doesn’t seem very likely to me given that cheap feature phones likely use cheap older parts while flagship smartphones state of the art components.

raef@lemmy.world on 28 Aug 2023 07:35 next collapse

I don’t know what to tell you. If that’s his experience…

severien@lemmy.world on 28 Aug 2023 08:16 collapse

I don’t know what to tell you

Well, you apparently don’t know the cause of his experience, so duh …

BuboScandiacus@mander.xyz on 04 Jan 2024 08:31 collapse

He didn’t say his flip phone was cheap

ChrisLicht@lemm.ee on 27 Aug 2023 18:22 collapse

I had a biz partner who is a centimillionaire. He has an iPhone for data, and a flip-phone for calls.

guyrocket@kbin.social on 27 Aug 2023 18:47 collapse

I will now tell people I have a millionaire's phone plan.

zephr_c@lemm.ee on 27 Aug 2023 17:51 next collapse

I mean, the title is clickbaity, but what title isn’t at this point? The actual point of the article is just that there is a small but growing niche of younger people switching to feature phones. I think that’s neat, and I’m starting to consider a feature phone for my next phone myself.

ripcord@kbin.social on 27 Aug 2023 17:53 collapse

Just because a lot of stuff is shitty doesn't mean we should just a accept when things are shitty.

[deleted] on 27 Aug 2023 18:11 collapse

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deleted@lemmy.world on 28 Aug 2023 02:49 next collapse

Welcome to news in Lemmy

generalpotato@lemmy.world on 28 Aug 2023 03:29 collapse

Thanks. Exactly what I thought.

“tHe NuMbErS doN’t LiE”

“Numbers” are some paltry bs that are “expected to grow in 2023” like BTC was “expected to hit a $100k in 2020”.

Lettuceeatlettuce@lemmy.ml on 27 Aug 2023 17:06 next collapse

I’m so tempted to do this.

betternotbigger@lemmy.world on 27 Aug 2023 19:01 collapse

I did it for a few months and really enjoyed it. At the end of 3 months, I realized I could achieve nearly the same thing by turning off all notifications except messages and calls and uninstalling all social media. I realized… if I have the willpower to use a dumbphone I have the willpower to keep the distraction off my smartphone. Phone usage is now 100% intentional with the right setup.

Lettuceeatlettuce@lemmy.ml on 27 Aug 2023 22:43 collapse

Nice!

LinuxSBC@lemm.ee on 27 Aug 2023 17:37 next collapse

Relevant xkcd

EnderWi99in@kbin.social on 27 Aug 2023 17:49 next collapse

This is a thing that isn't happening, at least not among Gen Z. What a bullshit article.

at_an_angle@lemmy.one on 27 Aug 2023 18:01 collapse

As a millennial, the thought of ditching my smartphone is a thought that keeps coming up.

jesterkun@midwest.social on 27 Aug 2023 18:19 next collapse

Same. I’m beginning to hate having it.

OrgunDonor@kbin.social on 27 Aug 2023 18:29 next collapse

Eh, I don't like the idea of getting rid of my smart phone. But I did get rid of all the shit I didnt actually like. I use my phone for Music, maps, the camera, messaging a few people, and a few other things. I got rid of all the crap social media, Facebook, Twitter, Instagram, even reddit(and have not put a lemmy/kbin app on there to replace it), there is not shit mobile games installed. Just does what I need it to do, and doesnt constantly bug me about Person X and what they had for lunch.

However, if I ditched the smart phone, I would need a phone still, but then I still need the MP3 player, a camera. And I would much rather have 1 bit of kit that does all that well, than 3 items.

betternotbigger@lemmy.world on 27 Aug 2023 18:57 collapse

I did it for 3 months. I really enjoyed my time doing it and learned a lot about my usage. It was a cheap $50 experiment. After I went back to my smartphone, I uninstalled ALL social media apps. Turned off ALL notifications but left calls and messages as an exception. My smartphone is now essentially a feature phone. It’s not 100% the same since the big screen does lure you in to use it but my usage is still way down and because I don’t have any social media there’s no reason for me to be on my phone around other people. I wholeheartedly recommend trying it for those curious.

severien@lemmy.world on 27 Aug 2023 19:37 collapse

That reminded me how a local wanna-be influencer did a smartphone detox for a week, immediately after the completion she posted an FB story: Part 1 - Reflection, how eyeopening the experience was, how much time she suddenly had for the things that truly matter etc. Subscribe to not miss the Part 2!

Th4tGuyII@kbin.social on 27 Aug 2023 18:10 next collapse

This same BS headline happens every generation. As soon as any small trends form, the media latch onto it like it's gonna be the next big thing...

No, feature phones aren't gaining mass adoption again. No, feature phones aren't going to kill smartphones. It's just a subset of people deciding to downgrade, or who want to buy a secondary phone.

Hazdaz@lemmy.world on 27 Aug 2023 18:21 next collapse

I heard cassettes are making a comeback too.

GreenMario@lemm.ee on 27 Aug 2023 22:53 collapse

Vinyl did lol didn’t expect that one. So maybe.

Hazdaz@lemmy.world on 27 Aug 2023 23:58 collapse

It did, but I really didn’t.

statista.com/…/lp-sales-in-the-united-states/

spiritedpause@lemmy-u6723.vm.elestio.app on 27 Aug 2023 18:33 next collapse

Get this removeded clickbait garbage off my feed OP

rikonium@discuss.tchncs.de on 27 Aug 2023 20:37 next collapse

This I wish, but I doubt. I still have my old Garmin GPS and play with the idea of a flip phone but I’ve been spoiled by the smaller things like iMessage not dealing with MMS. It’s an idea I come back to occasionally, but I also think about going back to my Palm with AAA batteries for my PIM needs. Had one in semi-regular-use as recent as 2018!

AnUnusualRelic@lemmy.world on 27 Aug 2023 22:02 next collapse

I’m looking at my Palm T|X or my Psion Revo as two potential revives. The Psion was quite awesome.

blivet@artemis.camp on 27 Aug 2023 22:10 collapse

I used to have an orange Handspring Visor PIM, which ran the Palm OS. If I’m remembering correctly the original team that developed the Palm Pilot left to start Handspring. My friend topped me by buying the phone module for hers. It seemed almost breathtakingly futuristic at the time.

Diabolo96@lemmy.dbzer0.com on 27 Aug 2023 21:36 next collapse

The games are better for one.

binboupan@lemm.ee on 27 Aug 2023 22:16 next collapse

Personally I switched to a Qin F22 Pro to curb my smartphone addiction. Only have the essential apps installed on it. So far it has worked out well (I used to have a screen time of over 6 hours every day, now just minutes). Life feels so much more peaceful without all the notification spam I used to get, and my mind is definitely more clear now.

kandoh@reddthat.com on 27 Aug 2023 22:40 collapse

Does it run telegram and google hangouts?

binboupan@lemm.ee on 27 Aug 2023 22:43 collapse

It runs Android so yes. Don’t use Google Services myself.

Magister@lemmy.world on 27 Aug 2023 22:18 next collapse

I though genZ only bought iPhone because of the green bubble or something?

CookieJarObserver@sh.itjust.works on 27 Aug 2023 23:20 next collapse

And i thought 90% of them have brain damage in general…

ElBarto@sh.itjust.works on 28 Aug 2023 08:32 collapse

Aren’t they all broke as well?

regalia@literature.cafe on 28 Aug 2023 07:20 collapse

That was never true to begin with

GreenMario@lemm.ee on 27 Aug 2023 22:45 next collapse

Doubt.

Haven’t seen a flip phone in use in ages and I work among the public. Even the barely functional elderly on smartphones.

Who paid for this article? What’s their angle?

Kolanaki@yiffit.net on 28 Aug 2023 00:01 next collapse

Just the other day I saw an article with the exact opposite headline about how Gen z is sticking with the iPhone. Now I don’t know which one is full of shit; but it’s obviously one of them.

CmdrShepard@lemmy.one on 28 Aug 2023 00:04 next collapse

It was about how Gen Z are rejecting “droids” in favor of iPhones

GreenMario@lemm.ee on 28 Aug 2023 00:40 collapse

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bug@lemmy.one on 28 Aug 2023 08:51 collapse

Isn’t the angle just to sound interesting/controversial/unbelievable so people click and see your ads? You know, clickbait?

GreenMario@lemm.ee on 28 Aug 2023 15:48 collapse

This is one job I’m glad AI is taking over.

Franzia@lemmy.blahaj.zone on 27 Aug 2023 23:01 next collapse

I want an Android phone with a full physical keyboard, blackberry style. Not sure if I want to ‘digital detox’ but I don’t value a lot of what our common phone design has to offer.

LucasWaffyWaf@lemmy.world on 28 Aug 2023 00:19 collapse

Here ya go, mate www.amazon.com/…/B0841HHLT9?ufe=app_do%3Aamzn1.fo…

Franzia@lemmy.blahaj.zone on 28 Aug 2023 00:21 next collapse

Ooooo! Thank you!

sethadam1@lemmy.world on 28 Aug 2023 01:19 collapse

Ooh running that shiny new Android 10! I wonder if it’s easily updatable and/or if there are images available.

PierreKanazawa@fedia.io on 28 Aug 2023 00:23 next collapse

If only that's allowed as a choice.

So many places assume you have a smartphone, and so many stuffs require one

danhab99@programming.dev on 28 Aug 2023 02:15 collapse

There’s no rule that says flip phones aren’t allowed to have google pay. I think it’d be cool to see what a current year not-smartphone would look like.

Reva@startrek.website on 28 Aug 2023 00:38 next collapse

I just don’t buy new ones. I have a Nokia E90 Communicator and that’s it.

gamer@lemm.ee on 28 Aug 2023 01:14 next collapse

I’ve considered doing this in combination with a Pine phone or other impractical but cool linux phone so that I don’t have to worry about not having at least reliable SMS and calling.

Anyone know if there is a tiny dumb phone out there that doubles as a 4G/5G hotspot?

YexingTudou@lemmy.ml on 28 Aug 2023 03:08 collapse

I use a TCL Flip 2, bought it unlocked on ebay for $40. It has hotspot, mms, and emoji support (can’t remember if the included keyboard has any emoji, since I use a custom one that has some, but the system can recognize and display most emoji people send). It actually runs a slimmed down version of android and you can root it and run some stuff, though most things are a pain to use. I’ve got signal, jerboa, and adaway running on mine, though I haven’t found another browser that plays nice yet.

skymtf@pricefield.org on 28 Aug 2023 03:44 next collapse

I don’t trust these numbers, I really don’t trust any article that talks about my generation.

Aopen@discuss.tchncs.de on 28 Aug 2023 06:46 next collapse

Havent seen “$100 feature phone” since 2017 when my grandpa upgraded his phone
- gen z

regalia@literature.cafe on 28 Aug 2023 07:19 next collapse

These articles of “Gen Z is doing X” is always wrong lol.

ElBarto@sh.itjust.works on 28 Aug 2023 08:34 next collapse

and the numbers don’t lie.

Righto Scott Steiner.

mr_tyler_durden@lemmy.world on 28 Aug 2023 09:33 next collapse

As if we needed another sign that ZDnet was trash…

I fucking hate these obviously bullshit articles. “Gen Z is using feature phones”, “Gen Z are using paper maps”, “Gen Z is doing XYZ”.

No, they aren’t. At best some sad excuse for a journalist found a handful of tweets and wrote a whole article on it like it’s a “trend”.

Look, I know “journalists” are being squeezed to produce at an unreasonable rate but if you write drivel like this then you have no business calling yourself a journalist, hell I don’t even think you can call yourself a “writer” or “contributor” either. It barely passes as writing and you are contributing nothing to society.

daddyjones@lemmy.world on 28 Aug 2023 11:18 next collapse

What’s the phone on the left in that top image?

Edit: turns out it isn’t a phone - it’s a Gameboy Advance SP.

OfficerBribe@lemm.ee on 28 Aug 2023 15:51 collapse

One of the Samsung Flips most likely

daddyjones@lemmy.world on 29 Aug 2023 10:29 collapse

I thought all the Samsung ones had a screen that covered the whole of the inside section? This one only had a screen on the top.

OfficerBribe@lemm.ee on 29 Aug 2023 10:40 collapse

It is just a skin/wallpaper of GameBoy. Everything is a screen in the image.

Echo71Niner@lemm.ee on 30 Aug 2023 23:59 collapse

These retro-style phones offer limited functionality, lower costs, and are gaining popularity due to digital well-being concerns. Counterpoint projects feature phone sales to reach $2.8 million by 2023, driven by minimalist movements, cost-effective B2B sales, and budget-conscious consumers.