kirklennon@kbin.social
on 08 Jan 2024 23:19
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This is advertising. It's not the most worst example, but it's still fundamentally an ad.
Revenue is absolutely the wrong metric to use. If you had $100 of revenue and $99 in costs, you have only $1 left to pay your fines. Amazon did not earn enough to pay its fines in 1 hour and 50 minutes because most of that that money was used to buy and deliver the products, plus various other expenses. The blog post is misstating the numbers by over an order of magnitude for some of the companies. If you're going to do it, do it right at least. The profit numbers are just as easy to come by as revenue.
Less than 5% is definitely considered low-margin. Apple manages >40% by comparison. Although Amazon’s half a trillion dollars of revenue still turns that into a big pile of cash of course.
kirklennon@kbin.social
on 08 Jan 2024 23:47
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Amazon doesn't even pay a dividend. Do you think suppliers are just gifting their products to Amazon? Amazon is a pretty low-margin company on the whole.
residentmarchant@lemmy.world
on 08 Jan 2024 23:45
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The fines are part of their outgoing expenses, though, so at least some of that $99 in your example is going to pay these very fines
Brainsploosh@lemmy.world
on 09 Jan 2024 00:10
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Oh no, with Amazon only having a 3,5 % margin (after fines), it would take them all of 48 hours to make up the losses.
The point still stands: the fines are ridiculously low for these companies, and they have no incentive to change based on current fines.
Critical_Insight@feddit.uk
on 09 Jan 2024 06:45
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Intentionally misrepresenting facts is not how one should try and make a point though. It just makes people cynical and distrustful.
Brainsploosh@lemmy.world
on 09 Jan 2024 07:49
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Baselessly ascribing malicious intent is moreso a way to sow distrust and kill off discussion.
And besides, unless local regulations expressly forbid it, the income statements of those companies are after any fines and after any profit reducing measures (e.g. Amazon famously use investment schemes to reduce taxation), they do make the money to cover them in the shorter interval, or even shorter.
It is astonishing to me that, in explaining why “baselessly ascribing malicious intent” is bad you have, in fact, baselessly ascribed the malicious intent of sowing distrust and killing of discussion to the person you are responding to. Incredibly quick hypocrisy turn around there.
Arguably it doesn’t matter if its maliciousness or incompetence, the result is the same.
Brainsploosh@lemmy.world
on 09 Jan 2024 10:11
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Ah, but you’re just saying that as a professional troll.
Now compare that to: I think you’re mistaken, intent matters, and I believe extending trust that both parties want to convey something, rather than just dismiss others, is necessary for a discussion, and also for a communal discourse.
If we’re just shouting into the void, no trust is needed, but for interactions and building a sense of community, we will need both trust and norms of collaboration.
Gamoc@lemmy.world
on 09 Jan 2024 12:09
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You’ve just ascribed malicious intent to me, further demonstrating your own hypocrisy.
If you believe you second paragraph, why do you keep contradicting yourself?
The second paragraph also sounds like manipulative bullshit coming from someone who’s misrepresenting facts. The spirit of collaboration and communal discourse that you’re paying lip service to is smothered by lies and mistruths. You need to rethink how you do things, you’re a walking anachronism.
SaltySalamander@kbin.social
on 10 Jan 2024 02:37
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Discourse is dead. It's amazing that anyone who disagrees with you is labelled a troll.
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Have you seen the margin? You don’t know what you’re talking about.
Not OP but just letting people know this kind of data is easily available for public companies: www.macrotrends.net/stocks/…/operating-margin
Less than 5% is definitely considered low-margin. Apple manages >40% by comparison. Although Amazon’s half a trillion dollars of revenue still turns that into a big pile of cash of course.
Amazon doesn't even pay a dividend. Do you think suppliers are just gifting their products to Amazon? Amazon is a pretty low-margin company on the whole.
The fines are part of their outgoing expenses, though, so at least some of that $99 in your example is going to pay these very fines
Oh no, with Amazon only having a 3,5 % margin (after fines), it would take them all of 48 hours to make up the losses.
The point still stands: the fines are ridiculously low for these companies, and they have no incentive to change based on current fines.
Intentionally misrepresenting facts is not how one should try and make a point though. It just makes people cynical and distrustful.
Baselessly ascribing malicious intent is moreso a way to sow distrust and kill off discussion.
And besides, unless local regulations expressly forbid it, the income statements of those companies are after any fines and after any profit reducing measures (e.g. Amazon famously use investment schemes to reduce taxation), they do make the money to cover them in the shorter interval, or even shorter.
It is astonishing to me that, in explaining why “baselessly ascribing malicious intent” is bad you have, in fact, baselessly ascribed the malicious intent of sowing distrust and killing of discussion to the person you are responding to. Incredibly quick hypocrisy turn around there.
Arguably it doesn’t matter if its maliciousness or incompetence, the result is the same.
Ah, but you’re just saying that as a professional troll.
Now compare that to: I think you’re mistaken, intent matters, and I believe extending trust that both parties want to convey something, rather than just dismiss others, is necessary for a discussion, and also for a communal discourse. If we’re just shouting into the void, no trust is needed, but for interactions and building a sense of community, we will need both trust and norms of collaboration.
You’ve just ascribed malicious intent to me, further demonstrating your own hypocrisy.
If you believe you second paragraph, why do you keep contradicting yourself?
The second paragraph also sounds like manipulative bullshit coming from someone who’s misrepresenting facts. The spirit of collaboration and communal discourse that you’re paying lip service to is smothered by lies and mistruths. You need to rethink how you do things, you’re a walking anachronism.
Discourse is dead. It's amazing that anyone who disagrees with you is labelled a troll.
These companies are terrible at being responsible.