Punchshark@lemmy.ca
on 07 Feb 2025 17:19
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Yet all americans are just rolling over
ivanafterall@lemmy.world
on 07 Feb 2025 17:50
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I’m ready to follow your lead!
Snowclone@lemmy.world
on 07 Feb 2025 17:51
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That’s the point of the big lie and ‘never let them cool down’’ fascist tactics.
ADKSilence@kbin.earth
on 07 Feb 2025 18:35
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You'd think there's enough global support that something might kick off elsewhere in the world. But those not having to deal directly with the nonsense going on in the US have the benefit of being able to sit back and spout off.
Sorry we're not revolting fast enough. Kind of hard to do when things are generally equally split in the country, and the majority of folks need to keep going to work to keep food on the table.
Probably all as designed, but we're all too damned tired and those doing things we don't like know it.
Punchshark@lemmy.ca
on 07 Feb 2025 18:59
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I was just expecting more from the country that spouts off all the time about their guns and “try and take my freedoms away”
Supporting this. They’re the reason this admin is anti-DEI, anti-immigrant, and anti-culture. They’re willing to accept losing all of their freedoms as long as they get their Two Minutes Hate
To be fair, the ones supporting this don’t think they are losing freedoms. They’re mostly in the groups unaffected by these changes, so it’s a bet positive in their eyes.
wanderingmagus@lemm.ee
on 07 Feb 2025 19:53
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Not typing their plans on the clearnet.
Naia@lemmy.blahaj.zone
on 07 Feb 2025 21:48
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Lets be honest, most of the people who get stiff when looking at guns support this. They were always going to bend over for authoritarians because if authoritarians took over the government they were going to be right wing.
ADKSilence@kbin.earth
on 07 Feb 2025 20:13
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Those dumbfucks are a vocal minority. We tend to forget that the internet is not necessarily representative of a population. So pretty much every "extreme" really ought to be taken with a grain of salt.
Well I hope those “dumbfucks” dont have every gun out there or else…
ADKSilence@kbin.earth
on 08 Feb 2025 00:07
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I can say for certain that they dont. At least not all of the firearms. And "or else"? Really? Are you intending that to read as a threat, or merely a warning about said dumbfucks?
Because that sort of "threat" is a nice indicator of the type of person that shouldn't have access to firearms.
fruitycoder@sh.itjust.works
on 08 Feb 2025 07:11
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For real. People don’t understand how powerful targeted propaganda is. A lot of the most radical and armed in the US were intentionally targeted so now all of their media, friends, friends media are all saying the same thing and telling them everything else is a lie.
This story for example is, on the right, just the Democrats and deep state trying to Elon now that he is exposing REAL corruption.
We are arguing different facts, arguably because so much of media is just “trusted sources” instead of anything verifiable anymore
Sanctus@lemmy.world
on 07 Feb 2025 17:23
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Its fucked now. Those systems are forever compromised. You’d have to spend hundreds of millions scrubbing and auditing to be sure, and even then you can’t be. They’ve had unmitigated access for too long.
PlexSheep@infosec.pub
on 10 Feb 2025 19:30
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Millions are probably insufficient.
kikutwo@lemmy.world
on 07 Feb 2025 17:32
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Is.
ivanafterall@lemmy.world
on 07 Feb 2025 17:48
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The Government’s Computing Experts Say They Is Terrified
masterofn001@lemmy.ca
on 07 Feb 2025 18:29
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Politely, I think this comment is unhelpful. What do you propose that they do? Our government is based to a large degree on the assumption of good faith. The Supreme Court, for example, has power because the constitution says it does. They don’t have the capacity to actually enforce the rulings they hand down.
The current president has basically said that he doesn’t care about the constitution, and is just concerned with stealing power for himself and his cronies. Elections are supposed to be our mechanism for dealing with that.
MimicJar@lemmy.world
on 07 Feb 2025 19:56
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What do you propose that they do?
Impeach and remove Trump. Yes, a Vance administration might do the same things but Congress would make it clear they’re not willing to allow such bullshit.
Or subpoena Musk and others, which I know recently failed a vote to do exactly that.
Congress CAN do a lot of things, they were designed to be a powerful pillar of government. They have ceded much of that power through inaction over the years but they can take it back.
As you pointed out, they attempted to subpoena Musk and the republicans voted it down. They’ve also introduced articles of impeachment, which they successfully put through last time only to have senate republicans refuse to convict on the basis that trump was no longer president.
MimicJar@lemmy.world
on 08 Feb 2025 00:42
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Yes, what congress WILL do versus what they SHOULD do are different things.
If you look at things like the recent Gaza statements by Trump I think it’s clear Trump is going to continuously step over the line and others will need to walk it back. Eventually that someone will be congress, I just hope it’s sooner rather than later, although I fear it will be later rather than sooner.
True, but I’m asking what they can do, and that’s far from clear. What do you suggest?
MimicJar@lemmy.world
on 10 Feb 2025 09:02
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I mean what they can do I’ve said. What I expect is a lot more damage from the Trump administration. Democrats are generally on board with reigning the administration in and/or stopping it, depending on what happens.
Unfortunately the majority for most things sit with Republicans, so it will be slow getting them to respond to Trump. I expect a few Republicans will chime in from time to time, might help stop a few things. Of course Congress lacks the resources to enforce things, so it’ll be interesting to see what happens there.
Eventually Trump is going to go too far. I would argue he already has, but specifically he’s going to go too far for Republicans. The speaker, Johnson, is the one to watch. I think McConnell still has some sway, but he’s also clearly very ill physically. Actually Republicans that are usually quiet are probably the ones to watch first.
crusa187@lemmy.ml
on 07 Feb 2025 20:46
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At the least they could obstruct, using any means at their disposal, be them legally dubious or not. The repugs would do the same.
Naia@lemmy.blahaj.zone
on 07 Feb 2025 21:47
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Republicans did the same, both “legally dubious” and blatantly illegal.
Naia@lemmy.blahaj.zone
on 07 Feb 2025 21:46
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There are a lot of things they can do, but also if they are breaking the law and blatantly ignoring the constitution I would argue basically anything is on the table to stop this, even if it is “extra legal” or whatever.
Because if they don’t the entire system of laws and rules and everything is fucked beyond repair.
zarkanian@sh.itjust.works
on 08 Feb 2025 00:18
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What’s the point of rules if the president can just ignore them? Were they just counting on the president not being the sort of person who would break the rules? That seems like a bad plan.
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Yet all americans are just rolling over
I’m ready to follow your lead!
That’s the point of the big lie and ‘never let them cool down’’ fascist tactics.
You'd think there's enough global support that something might kick off elsewhere in the world. But those not having to deal directly with the nonsense going on in the US have the benefit of being able to sit back and spout off.
Sorry we're not revolting fast enough. Kind of hard to do when things are generally equally split in the country, and the majority of folks need to keep going to work to keep food on the table.
Probably all as designed, but we're all too damned tired and those doing things we don't like know it.
I was just expecting more from the country that spouts off all the time about their guns and “try and take my freedoms away”
Where are all the 2a folks now?
Supporting this. They’re the reason this admin is anti-DEI, anti-immigrant, and anti-culture. They’re willing to accept losing all of their freedoms as long as they get their Two Minutes Hate
To be fair, the ones supporting this don’t think they are losing freedoms. They’re mostly in the groups unaffected by these changes, so it’s a bet positive in their eyes.
Not typing their plans on the clearnet.
Lets be honest, most of the people who get stiff when looking at guns support this. They were always going to bend over for authoritarians because if authoritarians took over the government they were going to be right wing.
Those dumbfucks are a vocal minority. We tend to forget that the internet is not necessarily representative of a population. So pretty much every "extreme" really ought to be taken with a grain of salt.
Well I hope those “dumbfucks” dont have every gun out there or else…
I can say for certain that they dont. At least not all of the firearms. And "or else"? Really? Are you intending that to read as a threat, or merely a warning about said dumbfucks?
Because that sort of "threat" is a nice indicator of the type of person that shouldn't have access to firearms.
No, not a threat at all. I would just think it would be worrisome if they did have them all
They are the ones in fucking power!
For real. People don’t understand how powerful targeted propaganda is. A lot of the most radical and armed in the US were intentionally targeted so now all of their media, friends, friends media are all saying the same thing and telling them everything else is a lie.
This story for example is, on the right, just the Democrats and deep state trying to Elon now that he is exposing REAL corruption.
We are arguing different facts, arguably because so much of media is just “trusted sources” instead of anything verifiable anymore
They thought they were free.
Its fucked now. Those systems are forever compromised. You’d have to spend hundreds of millions scrubbing and auditing to be sure, and even then you can’t be. They’ve had unmitigated access for too long.
Millions are probably insufficient.
Is.
The Government’s Computing Experts Say They Is Terrified
Four IS professionals lay out…
just how destructive Elon Musk’s incursion into the U.S. government is be.
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+ 🇺🇸⚖️
= 👉🇺🇸⚖️
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Here’s a spooky computer gif to really drive the point home
tbf, those systems are now effectively haunted
Congress could shut this down, but not for much longer.
Politely, I think this comment is unhelpful. What do you propose that they do? Our government is based to a large degree on the assumption of good faith. The Supreme Court, for example, has power because the constitution says it does. They don’t have the capacity to actually enforce the rulings they hand down.
The current president has basically said that he doesn’t care about the constitution, and is just concerned with stealing power for himself and his cronies. Elections are supposed to be our mechanism for dealing with that.
Impeach and remove Trump. Yes, a Vance administration might do the same things but Congress would make it clear they’re not willing to allow such bullshit.
Or subpoena Musk and others, which I know recently failed a vote to do exactly that.
Congress CAN do a lot of things, they were designed to be a powerful pillar of government. They have ceded much of that power through inaction over the years but they can take it back.
As you pointed out, they attempted to subpoena Musk and the republicans voted it down. They’ve also introduced articles of impeachment, which they successfully put through last time only to have senate republicans refuse to convict on the basis that trump was no longer president.
Yes, what congress WILL do versus what they SHOULD do are different things.
If you look at things like the recent Gaza statements by Trump I think it’s clear Trump is going to continuously step over the line and others will need to walk it back. Eventually that someone will be congress, I just hope it’s sooner rather than later, although I fear it will be later rather than sooner.
True, but I’m asking what they can do, and that’s far from clear. What do you suggest?
I mean what they can do I’ve said. What I expect is a lot more damage from the Trump administration. Democrats are generally on board with reigning the administration in and/or stopping it, depending on what happens.
Unfortunately the majority for most things sit with Republicans, so it will be slow getting them to respond to Trump. I expect a few Republicans will chime in from time to time, might help stop a few things. Of course Congress lacks the resources to enforce things, so it’ll be interesting to see what happens there.
Eventually Trump is going to go too far. I would argue he already has, but specifically he’s going to go too far for Republicans. The speaker, Johnson, is the one to watch. I think McConnell still has some sway, but he’s also clearly very ill physically. Actually Republicans that are usually quiet are probably the ones to watch first.
At the least they could obstruct, using any means at their disposal, be them legally dubious or not. The repugs would do the same.
Republicans did the same, both “legally dubious” and blatantly illegal.
There are a lot of things they can do, but also if they are breaking the law and blatantly ignoring the constitution I would argue basically anything is on the table to stop this, even if it is “extra legal” or whatever.
Because if they don’t the entire system of laws and rules and everything is fucked beyond repair.
What’s the point of rules if the president can just ignore them? Were they just counting on the president not being the sort of person who would break the rules? That seems like a bad plan.
I agree completely. It’s clear we’re in need of much stronger constitutional safeguards.
Normally I think someone should take down that orange fuck. But this degenerate would probably be more useful target.
The solution is simple. Copy all the information and paste it into word pad. Then spend a billion dollars entering the data into a secure system.
Us gun people*
Government taken over by foreign billionaire - I sleep
Children frolicking about at school - raaaaaaage
On the bright side, it tells you everything you need to know about these people.