It will end up like every other Russian knock-off: made by the Chinese when Russia eventually gives up
just_another_person@lemmy.world
on 29 Oct 15:54
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Nah, it goes WAY back to pre-WW2. Russia basically made copying everyone else’s technology a major economic driver for them for decades, and it was all based around trying to sucker poorer countries into buying their awful products.
Cameras, radios, cars, weapons. Hell they even stole NASA Space Shuttle designs and tech to build their own, which just ended up in a junkyard.
And the Buran system was more impressive than the shuttle, capable of completely automated flight!
Buelldozer@lemmy.today
on 29 Oct 16:51
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Oh? Which test flight demonstrated that?
just_another_person@lemmy.world
on 29 Oct 17:00
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I don’t think it was ever confirmed. They only flew the thing once, which was confirmed. Anything else claiming superior tech I’d call USSR propaganda.
It’s just like their foxbat claims…turned out it was a flying brick.
Edit: apparently I pissed off some tankies lol
It’s well known that the foxbat was heavily exaggerated in its capabilities. It’s how we ended up with the f15 and it’s insane capabilities. Just like now russia fighting in Ukraine, paper tiger.
gravitas_deficiency@sh.itjust.works
on 29 Oct 18:45
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Not sure if they’re aware, but the Balmer Peak occurs at a fairly specific BAC/intoxication level, and output quality drops off significantly after that point.
I’m pretty certain it also depends on the type of alcohol being drunk. If you’re sipping expensive whiskey you start to decide that 8 GB of RAM is a lot.
Seems like a good fit for the Linux community really. They’re not exactly known for being buttoned down.
TheGrandNagus@lemmy.world
on 30 Oct 11:42
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I don’t know why you’re trying to imply the “blackjack and hookers” Futurama joke that we see all the time in response to stories like this is some kind of xenophobic statement.
Trying that hard to be offended all the time must be exhausting.
It depends what they want to do. They can fork and take on the burden of maintaining the whole tree in which case good luck with that, linux is too much of a fire hose to enable a 3rd party to assemble something similar making different choices about what they merge. Otherwise they can maintain a re-based fork that tracks the Torvalds tree and then congratulations you’ve just invented a feature tree that can do contribution with extra steps.
North Korea did this already. I expect that Russia's effort will be as good if not better. Bonus comedy points if they use NK's effort as a starting point.
But I wouldn't try to use it if my Internet location was outside Russia. Or maybe even if it wasn't.
Also: something something falling out something something Windows.
partial_accumen@lemmy.world
on 29 Oct 15:09
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It might be interesting to set up a Russia Linux box as a honeypot.
In before you're going to need a telemetry spoofer in order not to attract attention. On the other hand, it takes an extraordinary amount of government paranoia before they start going after random citizens.
They’re just jumping the newscycle for the propaganda machine. Russian government doesn’t care about tech or linux unless it can help them deliver more bombs to Ukrainian babies and you don’t need to fork the kernel for that.
Pretty much no military in the world cares about Linux because you want an OS system that millions of people are familiar with, require no additional onboarding process, and has decades worth of documentation and trouble fixers.
Microsoft have always produced stripped down locked down versions of Windows for them so there’s really no reason for them to care about any of Microsoft’s BS in the communal space.
An air-gapped FreeBSD os is significantly more stable and more secure than a commercially available os used globally. Security is more important to militaries than the fucking end user experience.
nforminvasion@lemmy.world
on 30 Oct 11:58
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Wouldn’t openbsd absolutely take the cake then? Freaking OS is more secure than a vault
A gapped anything is going to be more secure than anything connected to the network. But if any I don’t see what the operating system has to do with it.
Anyway that’s not really what I’m talking about, the laptops that are given out to soldiers in the field are windows laptops not Linux.
That’s IF the would be even able to pull the kernel. I know how government grants work here. 70% chance that the money gets stolen and work is outsourced to some bloke who doesn’t know what git is.
andrew_bidlaw@sh.itjust.works
on 29 Oct 16:37
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Astra (used in MIC) is outdated shit, RED OS (more commercial) is cooler and wine’d in a lot of our windows-oriented apps, but both would have a hard time without international community if threatened.
That’s just some figureheads shitting with their mouths. There are millions of machines still running Windows with no way to change without a pushback from users and admins, and also some Linux machines that would only suffer if we branch out.
Go go, crablangnijigenerateredot MotherRussiaOS!!!
Special mention to all the hateforks created due to “valid concerns over code of conducts potentially banning white men from contribution” - a friend of mine had to clean up a state project that used such a hate fork that got terribly left behind.
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It will work just like every other Russian knock-off thing that gets made. Very shittily, and then end up in the bin.
Aren’t they still also trying to make their own Steam? 🤣
It will end up like every other Russian knock-off: made by the Chinese when Russia eventually gives up
Nah, it goes WAY back to pre-WW2. Russia basically made copying everyone else’s technology a major economic driver for them for decades, and it was all based around trying to sucker poorer countries into buying their awful products.
Cameras, radios, cars, weapons. Hell they even stole NASA Space Shuttle designs and tech to build their own, which just ended up in a junkyard.
And the Buran system was more impressive than the shuttle, capable of completely automated flight!
Oh? Which test flight demonstrated that?
I don’t think it was ever confirmed. They only flew the thing once, which was confirmed. Anything else claiming superior tech I’d call USSR propaganda.
I’m not sure whether the orbital flight counts as test or operational, but that one. The prior test flights only had automated landings.
So they say but since it never even went into space it’s a bold claim.
I’m reading that it orbited at an altitude of up to 263 km, well above the Karman line. Is that not space?
Well that’s debatable but really the point is it never did a re-entry so we really don’t know how reusable it would have been.
If it didn’t do a reentry, how did it get down from that altitude?
By landing?
Reentry doesn’t mean flying downwards it means actually coming in at a high enough speed to generate heating. Otherwise it’s just falling.
I’m pretty sure any reentry from orbit is going to involve high enough speeds to generate heating.
It’s just like their foxbat claims…turned out it was a flying brick.
Edit: apparently I pissed off some tankies lol
It’s well known that the foxbat was heavily exaggerated in its capabilities. It’s how we ended up with the f15 and it’s insane capabilities. Just like now russia fighting in Ukraine, paper tiger.
Of course everything’s made by China anyway including all the high-end stuff. The exception being computer chips.
Will they pay cheap developers with vodka?
Naw they Will just toss them in the gulag and force them to code.
A special forking operation will be underway. The new kernel will be complete in just a few days, like the inva- er… denazification of Kyi- er… Kiev.
E: lol, fuck off to the frontline and die for mother Ruzzia, tankies
With blackjack and hookers?
That’s just standard in Russia
And vodka. Soooooo much vodka!
Their version of pre-natal vitamins.
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Not sure if they’re aware, but the Balmer Peak occurs at a fairly specific BAC/intoxication level, and output quality drops off significantly after that point.
I’m pretty certain it also depends on the type of alcohol being drunk. If you’re sipping expensive whiskey you start to decide that 8 GB of RAM is a lot.
+1 for xkcd
And vodka too! Remember russians are whores and drunks!!! Amirite?!??!! lolollolloolo!! \s
Olde Fortran Malt Liquor would be a better fit for my joke. It’s ok that you didn’t get it.
Baby, I’m 40% malt liquor! flaming belch
Seems like a good fit for the Linux community really. They’re not exactly known for being buttoned down.
I don’t know why you’re trying to imply the “blackjack and hookers” Futurama joke that we see all the time in response to stories like this is some kind of xenophobic statement.
Trying that hard to be offended all the time must be exhausting.
Funny thing is, I was thinking about writing my own text editor that is not a web application running in chromium, and wanted to name it “Blackjack”.
Vladux 0.1 codename Brezhnev
It depends what they want to do. They can fork and take on the burden of maintaining the whole tree in which case good luck with that, linux is too much of a fire hose to enable a 3rd party to assemble something similar making different choices about what they merge. Otherwise they can maintain a re-based fork that tracks the Torvalds tree and then congratulations you’ve just invented a feature tree that can do contribution with extra steps.
North Korea did this already. I expect that Russia's effort will be as good if not better. Bonus comedy points if they use NK's effort as a starting point.
But I wouldn't try to use it if my Internet location was outside Russia. Or maybe even if it wasn't.
Also: something something falling out something something Windows.
It might be interesting to set up a Russia Linux box as a honeypot.
I’m not gonna use this shit regardless. Even if it remains the only option for an OS in Russia, I’m gonna fucking smuggle a proper Linux distro in.
In before you're going to need a telemetry spoofer in order not to attract attention. On the other hand, it takes an extraordinary amount of government paranoia before they start going after random citizens.
Somebody once was showing me a modified version of Windows XP and I’m sure it was a North Korean version. But I can’t find it now.
Could it be like this? Archive.org ISO
I imagine Russia will do far better because they are not completely isolated from the rest of the world like North Korea.
And they have a much more literate and especially tech literate population. And way more money than NK.
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Ah, they’re doing it all for the nookeyas
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Russian government officials trying to get away from windows, eh?
нанана иiсе оие !
шнеяе уоця аddяеss ?
They’re just jumping the newscycle for the propaganda machine. Russian government doesn’t care about tech or linux unless it can help them deliver more bombs to Ukrainian babies and you don’t need to fork the kernel for that.
Pretty much no military in the world cares about Linux because you want an OS system that millions of people are familiar with, require no additional onboarding process, and has decades worth of documentation and trouble fixers.
Microsoft have always produced stripped down locked down versions of Windows for them so there’s really no reason for them to care about any of Microsoft’s BS in the communal space.
An air-gapped FreeBSD os is significantly more stable and more secure than a commercially available os used globally. Security is more important to militaries than the fucking end user experience.
Wouldn’t openbsd absolutely take the cake then? Freaking OS is more secure than a vault
A gapped anything is going to be more secure than anything connected to the network. But if any I don’t see what the operating system has to do with it.
Anyway that’s not really what I’m talking about, the laptops that are given out to soldiers in the field are windows laptops not Linux.
How do you know this? Apologies, but I’m not going to believe a rando internet person’s comment and take it as fact at face value.
How do I know that the soldiers get Windows laptops?
Because they do? They get Windows laptops. They don’t get Linux laptops.
Piss poor dodge of answering the simple question.
If anyone is reading this thread, unless echodot@feddit.uk provides some sort of evidence, don’t believe what they say, ever.
Please base russian linux on Hannah Montana linux.
Holy shit that’s a real thing
Biebian
There is also TempleOS, with a fork of C called Holy C built specifically for better integration with it
Why not Red Star OS? They can take North Korean soldiers but not their software?
When it fails I’m gonna laugh a lot.
I mean, they can just pull the current kernel, add a few patches and say it’s their kernel.
Let’s be honest, cold war brought the space race, if this war brings the “year of Linux” race I’m not going to complain
That’s IF the would be even able to pull the kernel. I know how government grants work here. 70% chance that the money gets stolen and work is outsourced to some bloke who doesn’t know what git is.
Get the money and get the hell out of there
Astra (used in MIC) is outdated shit, RED OS (more commercial) is cooler and wine’d in a lot of our windows-oriented apps, but both would have a hard time without international community if threatened.
That’s just some figureheads shitting with their mouths. There are millions of machines still running Windows with no way to change without a pushback from users and admins, and also some Linux machines that would only suffer if we branch out.
The fact that the Russian government came out this fast and said they need a version with their own commits is, perhaps, telling.
…with blyatjack and hookers!
Now that’s my type of kernel
Made me spill my coffee
So Lada quality. Got it.
“Oh buzz, I would love to see you try…”
Go go,
crablangnijigenerateredotMotherRussiaOS!!!Special mention to all the hateforks created due to “valid concerns over code of conducts potentially banning white men from contribution” - a friend of mine had to clean up a state project that used such a hate fork that got terribly left behind.