autotldr@lemmings.world
on 12 Oct 2023 20:45
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This is the best summary I could come up with:
The detritus at X quickly bubbled over to the rest of the internet — some of it promoted by Elon Musk himself — to the point that the European Union threatened to ban the app over the Israel-Hamas misinformation problem.
Last month, for example, the Washington Post reported that Threads had blocked users from searching for a variety of terms related to the news, including “Covid.”
The company made a number of desperate changes across its family of apps over the last year or so to try and make users have a more pleasant experience online, tamping down news among them.
Since then, Twitter never approached Facebook or Instagram’s numbers, but in terms of cultural relevance, it’s always been one of Zuck’s only real social media competitors
Today, the prevailing model comes from TikTok, a platform that looks more like TV, with content made by people you’re only connected to as a fan or consumer.
Bluesky and Mastodon, the hippest Twitter replacements, are happy to embrace news, but they’re comparatively tiny platforms, and the fun comes from the network effects of a large user base.
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cheese_greater@lemmy.world
on 12 Oct 2023 22:13
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MUBE!
Darksouls1234@lemmy.world
on 12 Oct 2023 20:52
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What will they thread next to mastodon mastodon is the old Twitter, people were brainwashed by these two stinkers
MossyFeathers@pawb.social
on 12 Oct 2023 20:53
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Bluesky is literally just old Twitter but better. Why do people insist on hurting themselves with Threads?
Edit: for those more technically inclined, it looks like there are now instructions on how to host your own Bluesky instance. It sounds like you may need a developer account before you can federate with the official instance though.
psychothumbs@lemmy.world
on 12 Oct 2023 21:13
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Yeah the only problem with bluesky is that it still has such strict limits on who can join, and even who can see the content. Can’t exactly make it your online home for announcements and such if most people can’t see them there even if they wanted to.
ugjka@lemmy.world
on 12 Oct 2023 21:23
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bsky-social-4stbe-z2k4b (comment if you grabbed this, so that others don’t try)
tja@sh.itjust.works
on 12 Oct 2023 21:31
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SkepticalButOpenMinded@lemmy.ca
on 12 Oct 2023 23:28
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You know what makes the Nobel Prize so valuable? Not everyone gets one.
Blue sky is following the early Facebook playbook of artificial exclusivity. When the feeling of FOMO is widespread enough, they’ll gradually open the door wider.
Edit: I don’t mean to imply that blue sky is good like the Nobel prize is good. I just mean they’re using artificial scarcity to drum up demand.
virtualbriefcase@lemm.ee
on 13 Oct 2023 00:26
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I’m not quite sure social media accounts and the Nobel Prize make a good comparison. I get what you’re saying about the exclusivity idea, but in my mind “exclusive” social media can’t really be that much of a draw if there’s a million alternatives and it doesn’t bring anything new to the table (it’s not decentralized or federated if you need approval from a central authority).
SkepticalButOpenMinded@lemmy.ca
on 13 Oct 2023 00:34
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It’s a club with people lining up outside then.
NaibofTabr@infosec.pub
on 13 Oct 2023 00:36
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“I don’t care to belong to any club that will have me as a member”
AnarchoDakosaurus@toast.ooo
on 13 Oct 2023 03:25
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shunir@lemmy.world
on 12 Oct 2023 21:14
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Bluesky might be better Twitter, but if people doesn’t hear about it, or does not want to try it out, they’ll stay on Twitter. Or if they can’t stand Musk they go to Threads. Simply because those platforms are the biggest there.
Bluesky is spreading like wildfire in academia at least.
And much like wildfire, it's going to be a fucking disaster. I don't understand why people who are paid to be critical thinkers would jump to another platform owned by a centralised actor. It'll be the same shit all over again.
Because centralization is safe and the majority of users really don’t care about using services owned by major corps.
The fediverse is extremely uninviting if you’re a non-technical user. Not impossible, but it’s not a great experience. Centralized social media removes a lot of choices users need to make, which counterintuitively is what tends to make a better UX for the average user. It comes at the expense of the power user, but the power users aren’t the target audience most of the time.
Excrubulent@slrpnk.net
on 13 Oct 2023 01:16
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Yeah, it’s an unfortunate reality that the ecosystem just isn’t very mature yet. Like technically it’s got all the power to run a social media site, but all the onboarding processes and little conveniences that would make it a pleasant move aren’t there.
One thing activitypub is missing right now is a built-in way to discover the network, discover instances and understand the shape of the network in terms of federation status. Right now there are outside tools you can discover and peer in from the outside, but they’re clunky, break intermittently, and they’re not easy to find.
Activitypub only does one half of its job right now: making posts happen. Because it is built on federation it needs to also intrinsically allow users to discover and learn about that process of federation. That’s not something any other social media platform has ever had to do, so it’s understandable that it was missed, but I think it’s key to both differentiating itself from those other networks and becoming more legible.
With centralisation, the posts, networks, onboarding, discovery, all of it is handled by one actor, so they can do all of that however they want.
I honestly think a lot is solved with the new onboarding experience in Mastodon, even though it's controversial in the fediverse.
If the twitter exodus to Mastodon happened today I suspect the main problem, except the servers having to deal with millions of people trying to sign up all at once, would be the lack of quote posts. Which is at least on the roadmap.
justaveg@lemmy.world
on 12 Oct 2023 21:22
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You know what would be hilarious? Eventually blue sky buys the leftovers of twitter and renames itself twitter. Although by that time it may not be a prudent move. So maybe not.
MossyFeathers@pawb.social
on 12 Oct 2023 21:25
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I’ve been under the impression that part of the reason for bluesky’s invite system is to help keep out bad actors. It makes it easier to ban someone and keep them from coming back. Buying Twitter would just open the floodgates.
Excrubulent@slrpnk.net
on 13 Oct 2023 01:30
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Just buy twitter the brand but keep none of the user lists or tech stack, just the name. Honestly though I’ve been sick of twitter for years at this point and I would rather it be reduced to a footnote in history, an emblem of the bad times when a handful of billionaire assholes controlled all of our information ecosystems.
ShittyBeatlesFCPres@lemmy.world
on 12 Oct 2023 21:36
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Even funnier would be to buy x.com in the liquidation sale.
MossyFeathers@pawb.social
on 13 Oct 2023 01:41
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I can see it now
“The site formerly known as ‘X formerly known as Twitter’”
BURN@lemmy.world
on 12 Oct 2023 23:17
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Because the majority of people don’t even know what bluesky is, and those who do can’t get an invite
MossyFeathers@pawb.social
on 12 Oct 2023 23:36
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They’re a lot more common than you think; you get an invite to give out every 10 days. It’s just that you gotta ask around for them. If you’re looking for an invite, try asking a furry. I think most of the furry community who wants to be on Bluesky is already there at this point, so there are probably a number of furries who have tons of unused invites.
sucricdrawkcab@lemmy.world
on 13 Oct 2023 00:33
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This explains why I was seeing so many Furries at first. Dialed in the Feeds and don’t see them anymore but I was confused at first
MossyFeathers@pawb.social
on 13 Oct 2023 00:52
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Yup. The furry community is very tight-knit. If you pick any two humans at random, there will be six degrees of separation between them on average. I’d be willing to bet there’s a maximum of six degrees of separation between furries, with the average probably being 2~3 degrees. If you pick people with related interests, the maximum probably drops to 3~4 degrees, with the average being around 1~2. The result is that Bluesky spread like wildfire through the community.
sucricdrawkcab@lemmy.world
on 12 Oct 2023 23:38
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I think the invite system slows people joining vs Threads easy sign up. I agree that it is straight up old Twitter and enjoying myself on it. I just started getting invites , they go fast but definitely give them out. Seems like every time I see a post about it I don’t have a code to give out. Definitely need to just keep one on deck for the Lemmy comment section.
I’ll never understand why people are so excited for something that is proprietary and invite-only…
Oh yeah, they’re idiots. I suspect bluesky is paying for a lot of viral marketing.
MossyFeathers@pawb.social
on 13 Oct 2023 00:47
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Nah, it’s because it’s less of a headache than Mastodon (everyone I’ve talked to likes the idea, but hates the implementation because they find it hard to navigate) and it’s not a mess like Threads or Twitter. What people want is 2015 Twitter because they’re not nerds. They want it to just work.
As for the invite-only thing, I found it odd at first, but I kinda understand why people like it now. It makes it harder for assholes to join and if they do manage to get an invite, they’ll have to get another one after their account gets banned for bigotry or being a shithead.
The problem is its centralized nature. As a business, it’s going to do what businesses do and get people hooked, then slowly enshittify their products/services until a competitor takes over.
be_excellent_to_each_other@kbin.social
on 13 Oct 2023 08:30
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More folks need to learn about firefish. It federates with Mastodon and has a much nicer UX and UI.
There are many instances, but the main one is firefish.social
ilinamorato@lemmy.world
on 14 Oct 2023 21:01
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I’ve also heard good things about Calckey.
be_excellent_to_each_other@kbin.social
on 14 Oct 2023 21:48
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Firefish is what Calckey became when rebranded recently. 😁
It’s hard because people are confused about multiple instances. Bluesky is a solo instance, to date, so they avoid that issue. But it will come.
joseangel@lemmy.world
on 13 Oct 2023 03:41
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Maybe BECAUSE I HAVEN’T RECEIVED THE DAMN CODE!
sheogorath@lemmy.world
on 13 Oct 2023 06:36
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Although with their proprietary solution, there’s a significant chance that Bluesky is going to be Twitter 2.0 if it ever gains traction. I’m rooting for fediverse to take off because my social media activity has shrunk to a couple of group chats with close friends and family plus occasional comments on Mastodon and Lemmy.
DragonTypeWyvern@literature.cafe
on 13 Oct 2023 06:59
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Idk bro, sounds kind of emotionally healthy.
be_excellent_to_each_other@kbin.social
on 14 Oct 2023 22:12
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Although with their proprietary solution, there’s a significant chance that Bluesky is going to be Twitter 2.0 if it ever gains traction.
Bluesky.social is open source (MIT) and supports federation, though I don't know to what degree it compares to federation as implemented across what we normally think of as the fediverse. I know it's a different protocol, but not more than that.
Trust me, we'll do the exact same thing again, having learned nothing and with the same exact person on top. Literally the same exact thing that enabled all the fascists some months ago.
It's going to be great this time around!!
dodeca@lemmy.world
on 12 Oct 2023 23:40
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Threads? I completely forgot about Threads because this is the first time I’ve seen news about it since the week it launched. And I doom scroll Lemmy Everything every night.
ConstipatedWatson@lemmy.world
on 13 Oct 2023 04:59
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I’ve never heard of the expression “doom scroll”! It’s awesome! With your permission, I’ll start using it.
I also doom scroll Lemmy every night (which is bad, since I should sleep, but good because I stopped going to Reddit)
HidingCat@kbin.social
on 13 Oct 2023 05:33
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Where were you doing COVID? That was when the phrase really was at its peak, as everyone was doing that to keep up with the news.
ConstipatedWatson@lemmy.world
on 13 Oct 2023 09:59
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I was lucky enough to be working regularly during covid, but I didn’t say I’ve never doom scrolled!
I just never heard the expression on Reddit (which is where I was at the time when wasting… I mean, investing my free time) :)
MonkderZweite@feddit.ch
on 13 Oct 2023 19:58
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Btw, is there a Lemmy app where you can disable infinite scrolling / set to 50 items per page or so?
ilinamorato@lemmy.world
on 14 Oct 2023 20:45
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It keeps getting bumps in adoption every time Musk does something stupid. So, weekly or so.
Honestly it’s kind of a chill service. If it wasn’t controlled by Meta, I’d be more active there. As it is, Mastodon is my jam.
The problem is that the painfully earnest people went to Mastodon, the funny people went to BlueSky, the celebs went to Threads, and the mid-tier YouTubers and Streamers and Podcasters who have to be Internet Famous every damned day or they don’t get to eat stayed on Twitter.
Personally I’m pulling for Mastodon because I’m a painfully earnest person.
Bebo@literature.cafe
on 13 Oct 2023 12:43
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That explains why I like Mastodon! Painfully earnest individual here.
MargotRobbie@lemmy.world
on 14 Oct 2023 20:37
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If there was only some way for people on different microblog websites to talk to each other…
Not to overly focus on aesthetics, but maybe Zuckerberg could take a few minutes away from his daily groping of paid-friends, and instead work with an acting coach to develop a look for photos that isn’t best described as Robot Rictus.
CuttingBoard@sopuli.xyz
on 14 Oct 2023 21:59
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This is the best summary I could come up with:
The detritus at X quickly bubbled over to the rest of the internet — some of it promoted by Elon Musk himself — to the point that the European Union threatened to ban the app over the Israel-Hamas misinformation problem.
Last month, for example, the Washington Post reported that Threads had blocked users from searching for a variety of terms related to the news, including “Covid.”
The company made a number of desperate changes across its family of apps over the last year or so to try and make users have a more pleasant experience online, tamping down news among them.
Since then, Twitter never approached Facebook or Instagram’s numbers, but in terms of cultural relevance, it’s always been one of Zuck’s only real social media competitors
Today, the prevailing model comes from TikTok, a platform that looks more like TV, with content made by people you’re only connected to as a fan or consumer.
Bluesky and Mastodon, the hippest Twitter replacements, are happy to embrace news, but they’re comparatively tiny platforms, and the fun comes from the network effects of a large user base.
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MUBE!
What will they thread next to mastodon mastodon is the old Twitter, people were brainwashed by these two stinkers
Bluesky is literally just old Twitter but better. Why do people insist on hurting themselves with Threads?
Edit: for those more technically inclined, it looks like there are now instructions on how to host your own Bluesky instance. It sounds like you may need a developer account before you can federate with the official instance though.
Yeah the only problem with bluesky is that it still has such strict limits on who can join, and even who can see the content. Can’t exactly make it your online home for announcements and such if most people can’t see them there even if they wanted to.
bsky-social-4stbe-z2k4b (comment if you grabbed this, so that others don’t try)
I tried, but it seems it’s already gone
And no one commented that they did. Nice.
Thanks!
How many do you have? I’ve been waiting on the wait-list for like months now lmao
I get one every 2 weeks, usually give them to strangers like in this case
Fyi, don’t post codes like that in public. Bots grab them. No site is safe.
Anyone still need one? I have 2
Edit: gone
I am interested in one, if you still have one
Sent you the code
Do you still have the other one? I’ve been waiting months. :c
Sent you the code
You know what makes the Nobel Prize so valuable? Not everyone gets one.
Blue sky is following the early Facebook playbook of artificial exclusivity. When the feeling of FOMO is widespread enough, they’ll gradually open the door wider.
Edit: I don’t mean to imply that blue sky is good like the Nobel prize is good. I just mean they’re using artificial scarcity to drum up demand.
I’m not quite sure social media accounts and the Nobel Prize make a good comparison. I get what you’re saying about the exclusivity idea, but in my mind “exclusive” social media can’t really be that much of a draw if there’s a million alternatives and it doesn’t bring anything new to the table (it’s not decentralized or federated if you need approval from a central authority).
It’s a club with people lining up outside then.
“I don’t care to belong to any club that will have me as a member”
Now those are some wise fuckin words.
Marx was full of wisdom
<img alt="" src="https://www.northernsun.com/images/image16x9/3774.jpg">
Bluesky might be better Twitter, but if people doesn’t hear about it, or does not want to try it out, they’ll stay on Twitter. Or if they can’t stand Musk they go to Threads. Simply because those platforms are the biggest there.
Bluesky is spreading like wildfire in academia at least.
And much like wildfire, it's going to be a fucking disaster. I don't understand why people who are paid to be critical thinkers would jump to another platform owned by a centralised actor. It'll be the same shit all over again.
Because centralization is safe and the majority of users really don’t care about using services owned by major corps.
The fediverse is extremely uninviting if you’re a non-technical user. Not impossible, but it’s not a great experience. Centralized social media removes a lot of choices users need to make, which counterintuitively is what tends to make a better UX for the average user. It comes at the expense of the power user, but the power users aren’t the target audience most of the time.
Yeah, it’s an unfortunate reality that the ecosystem just isn’t very mature yet. Like technically it’s got all the power to run a social media site, but all the onboarding processes and little conveniences that would make it a pleasant move aren’t there.
One thing activitypub is missing right now is a built-in way to discover the network, discover instances and understand the shape of the network in terms of federation status. Right now there are outside tools you can discover and peer in from the outside, but they’re clunky, break intermittently, and they’re not easy to find.
Activitypub only does one half of its job right now: making posts happen. Because it is built on federation it needs to also intrinsically allow users to discover and learn about that process of federation. That’s not something any other social media platform has ever had to do, so it’s understandable that it was missed, but I think it’s key to both differentiating itself from those other networks and becoming more legible.
With centralisation, the posts, networks, onboarding, discovery, all of it is handled by one actor, so they can do all of that however they want.
I honestly think a lot is solved with the new onboarding experience in Mastodon, even though it's controversial in the fediverse.
If the twitter exodus to Mastodon happened today I suspect the main problem, except the servers having to deal with millions of people trying to sign up all at once, would be the lack of quote posts. Which is at least on the roadmap.
You know what would be hilarious? Eventually blue sky buys the leftovers of twitter and renames itself twitter. Although by that time it may not be a prudent move. So maybe not.
I’ve been under the impression that part of the reason for bluesky’s invite system is to help keep out bad actors. It makes it easier to ban someone and keep them from coming back. Buying Twitter would just open the floodgates.
Just buy twitter the brand but keep none of the user lists or tech stack, just the name. Honestly though I’ve been sick of twitter for years at this point and I would rather it be reduced to a footnote in history, an emblem of the bad times when a handful of billionaire assholes controlled all of our information ecosystems.
Even funnier would be to buy x.com in the liquidation sale.
I can see it now
“The site formerly known as ‘X formerly known as Twitter’”
.
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Because the majority of people don’t even know what bluesky is, and those who do can’t get an invite
They’re a lot more common than you think; you get an invite to give out every 10 days. It’s just that you gotta ask around for them. If you’re looking for an invite, try asking a furry. I think most of the furry community who wants to be on Bluesky is already there at this point, so there are probably a number of furries who have tons of unused invites.
This explains why I was seeing so many Furries at first. Dialed in the Feeds and don’t see them anymore but I was confused at first
Yup. The furry community is very tight-knit. If you pick any two humans at random, there will be six degrees of separation between them on average. I’d be willing to bet there’s a maximum of six degrees of separation between furries, with the average probably being 2~3 degrees. If you pick people with related interests, the maximum probably drops to 3~4 degrees, with the average being around 1~2. The result is that Bluesky spread like wildfire through the community.
I think the invite system slows people joining vs Threads easy sign up. I agree that it is straight up old Twitter and enjoying myself on it. I just started getting invites , they go fast but definitely give them out. Seems like every time I see a post about it I don’t have a code to give out. Definitely need to just keep one on deck for the Lemmy comment section.
I’ll never understand why people are so excited for something that is proprietary and invite-only…
Oh yeah, they’re idiots. I suspect bluesky is paying for a lot of viral marketing.
Nah, it’s because it’s less of a headache than Mastodon (everyone I’ve talked to likes the idea, but hates the implementation because they find it hard to navigate) and it’s not a mess like Threads or Twitter. What people want is 2015 Twitter because they’re not nerds. They want it to just work.
As for the invite-only thing, I found it odd at first, but I kinda understand why people like it now. It makes it harder for assholes to join and if they do manage to get an invite, they’ll have to get another one after their account gets banned for bigotry or being a shithead.
The problem is its centralized nature. As a business, it’s going to do what businesses do and get people hooked, then slowly enshittify their products/services until a competitor takes over.
More folks need to learn about firefish. It federates with Mastodon and has a much nicer UX and UI.
There are many instances, but the main one is firefish.social
I’ve also heard good things about Calckey.
Firefish is what Calckey became when rebranded recently. 😁
https://wedistribute.org/2023/07/calckey-is-now-firefish/
Aha! That makes sense then.
It’s hard because people are confused about multiple instances. Bluesky is a solo instance, to date, so they avoid that issue. But it will come.
Maybe BECAUSE I HAVEN’T RECEIVED THE DAMN CODE!
Although with their proprietary solution, there’s a significant chance that Bluesky is going to be Twitter 2.0 if it ever gains traction. I’m rooting for fediverse to take off because my social media activity has shrunk to a couple of group chats with close friends and family plus occasional comments on Mastodon and Lemmy.
Idk bro, sounds kind of emotionally healthy.
Bluesky.social is open source (MIT) and supports federation, though I don't know to what degree it compares to federation as implemented across what we normally think of as the fediverse. I know it's a different protocol, but not more than that.
https://blueskyweb.xyz/blog/5-5-2023-federation-architecture
https://github.com/bluesky-social
I'd love the fediverse as we know it to become dominant, but I think it's going to be a slow burn if it happens at all.
People leaving twitter for instawords deserve to be let down
Lol, good luck at trying to get meta to listen to what users really want.
As far as I’m concerned it’s still just Facebook
wait, people still use threads?
Quite a few apparently.
Not great, but still better than TwitX.
Be careful what you wish for, folks!
They want a social network designed in a way that single company have all control that would be abused after gaining enough users and advertisers?
Trust me, we'll do the exact same thing again, having learned nothing and with the same exact person on top. Literally the same exact thing that enabled all the fascists some months ago.
It's going to be great this time around!!
Threads? I completely forgot about Threads because this is the first time I’ve seen news about it since the week it launched. And I doom scroll Lemmy Everything every night.
I’ve never heard of the expression “doom scroll”! It’s awesome! With your permission, I’ll start using it.
I also doom scroll Lemmy every night (which is bad, since I should sleep, but good because I stopped going to Reddit)
Where were you doing COVID? That was when the phrase really was at its peak, as everyone was doing that to keep up with the news.
I was lucky enough to be working regularly during covid, but I didn’t say I’ve never doom scrolled!
I just never heard the expression on Reddit (which is where I was at the time when wasting… I mean, investing my free time) :)
Btw, is there a Lemmy app where you can disable infinite scrolling / set to 50 items per page or so?
It keeps getting bumps in adoption every time Musk does something stupid. So, weekly or so.
Honestly it’s kind of a chill service. If it wasn’t controlled by Meta, I’d be more active there. As it is, Mastodon is my jam.
The problem is that the painfully earnest people went to Mastodon, the funny people went to BlueSky, the celebs went to Threads, and the mid-tier YouTubers and Streamers and Podcasters who have to be Internet Famous every damned day or they don’t get to eat stayed on Twitter.
Personally I’m pulling for Mastodon because I’m a painfully earnest person.
That explains why I like Mastodon! Painfully earnest individual here.
If there was only some way for people on different microblog websites to talk to each other…
Maybe some kind of open, decentralized protocol?
If only. Some sort of text with added extra, like hypertext, and it could be used as a transport protocol. One can dream.
Not to overly focus on aesthetics, but maybe Zuckerberg could take a few minutes away from his daily groping of paid-friends, and instead work with an acting coach to develop a look for photos that isn’t best described as Robot Rictus.
One would assume he can afford eyebrows now.