Sideloaded app stores are coming to iOS in the EU (thenextweb.com)
from aprnu@feddit.ch to technology@lemmy.world on 12 Jan 2024 00:15
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ASaltPepper@lemmy.one on 12 Jan 2024 00:21 next collapse

Might have to start importing all my tech from the EU at this rate.

tsonfeir@lemm.ee on 12 Jan 2024 01:01 next collapse

Be sure not to import any malware.

Dyskolos@lemmy.zip on 12 Jan 2024 01:26 next collapse

You mean, beside crapple itself? 😁

tsonfeir@lemm.ee on 12 Jan 2024 01:34 collapse

You mean, besides crapdroid itself? đŸ€Ș

Dalraz@lemmy.ca on 12 Jan 2024 01:48 next collapse

You mean best apple design hardware backdoor. Lol

I’m sure android has something simular to be honest

LibertyLizard@slrpnk.net on 12 Jan 2024 02:44 next collapse

No need to fight, they’re both trash.

lovesickoyster@lemmy.world on 12 Jan 2024 07:25 collapse

As someone who switched from android to ios two years ago, I’m still frustrated with just how much of a shit the user experience is. Going back to lineageos as soon as I’m able and throwing this iphone crap in the trash.

tsonfeir@lemm.ee on 12 Jan 2024 07:36 collapse

What don’t you like

lovesickoyster@lemmy.world on 12 Jan 2024 07:38 next collapse

for one, it drives me nuts that I can’t have separate volumes for the ringer and notifications.

tsonfeir@lemm.ee on 12 Jan 2024 17:42 collapse

I’ll give you that. I would enjoy that feature, but it’s not something that would make me choose Android.

catonwheels@ttrpg.network on 12 Jan 2024 11:59 collapse

Keyboard lack symbol button on first page. Instead I have to switch to next page. For a ? mark.

App launcher. Can I select what apps go where? No if they decided that this app goes in that category tough luck.

Apple translate, the texts needs to fit on the sign! You can’t zoom or anything unless you take a picture.

No Bluetooth transfer.

Lack of foss apps.

So many places you need to turn off if you don’t want your phone give you suggestions or track you.

tsonfeir@lemm.ee on 12 Jan 2024 17:38 collapse

Keyboard, I can see how that would be annoying if you wanted it. You can install other keyboards.

The launcher is stupid, I agree.

Transfer is done via AirDrop

Tracking: Each manufacturers flavor of Android will have the same thing. (Unless you don’t use the OS that came with the device)

catonwheels@ttrpg.network on 12 Jan 2024 20:27 collapse

Airdrop don’t work with non IOS.

Are you sure about tracking? Because I can only compare to my pixel and my Motorola but I only need to go to three places to turn off things while Iphone I have to go to 5.

I could install other keyboard but it is already built in. I just want a toggle to enable it. But just for curiosity sake do you feel it goes, quite quickly to type a sentence with,?

tsonfeir@lemm.ee on 12 Jan 2024 21:27 collapse

Airdrop: right
 there is a bit of ecosystemcentrism, to coin a phrase.

Tracking: 3 vs 5, I mean, once it’s set it’s set. Not really an issue for me.

I’ve gotten quite fast with the keyboard, and I don’t have a problem with the modifier combinations. When I go to Android, or any other mobile keyboard, it feels strange. But, this is entirely muscle memory for me, so I can understand if you think it doesn’t “feel right” when you use it.

Prandom_returns@lemm.ee on 12 Jan 2024 02:33 collapse

“Protecc me daddy Apple, I don’t know what I’m doing! Lock me up real good!”

TheFeatureCreature@lemmy.world on 12 Jan 2024 01:29 next collapse

I’m sure Apple will heavily region-lock this.

PotentialProblem@sh.itjust.works on 12 Jan 2024 02:01 collapse

I’m really interested to see how they’re going to region lock this. Will it be where the device was sold? Does that comply with EU regulations? Will it be geographical location? If I move to the US, will it lock the side loaded apps? If I grab a VPN can I side load things?

ABluManOnLemmy@feddit.nl on 12 Jan 2024 02:18 next collapse

I wouldn’t be surprised if it’s the country where the SIM originates. A prepaid eSIM from an EU carrier (as secondary sim) is pretty cheap though and might work if this is what they do.

PotentialProblem@sh.itjust.works on 12 Jan 2024 03:47 collapse

Interesting thought! This wouldn’t work for iPads and iPhones with no sim (but use WiFi) though

KairuByte@lemmy.dbzer0.com on 12 Jan 2024 09:07 collapse

Any recent iPhone/iPad will support eSIM. It would work just fine for them.

PotentialProblem@sh.itjust.works on 12 Jan 2024 14:23 next collapse

Only the cellular iPads have the eSIM. The standard WiFi ones do not. Since iOS covers both of these devices, older models, and folks who choose not to have a carrier despite having the ability to do so, I don’t believe this would be a partial solution at best.

abhibeckert@lemmy.world on 13 Jan 2024 03:50 collapse

An eSIM still requires an account with a carrier, which is optional when you setup a new phone.

KairuByte@lemmy.dbzer0.com on 13 Jan 2024 04:52 collapse

Yes, but you can just contact an EU company that provides eSIMs and get one.

abhibeckert@lemmy.world on 13 Jan 2024 03:47 collapse

Yeah I’m curious too. There doesn’t seem like there is a good way.

M500@lemmy.ml on 12 Jan 2024 03:01 collapse

Someone found some code that referenced geo-blocking features. So if you are physically in Europe, then it should work and when you are outside of Europe then it wouldn’t.

I’m not sure if they plan to use the os with way, but maybe they will.

Maybe turning on a vpn will do the trick.

I’m guessing that they will lock it to Europe for some time, but in the next iOS update roll it out world wide as they see the writing on the wall.

But Apple always seems to find a way to disappoint.

potatopotato@sh.itjust.works on 12 Jan 2024 03:48 next collapse

Faraday cage and GPS simulator? A hackrf and some tinfoil can probably do it for a few hundred bucks

Zagorath@aussie.zone on 12 Jan 2024 04:00 collapse

How are you getting an Internet connection in which to download, if you’re in a Faraday cage?

picnicolas@slrpnk.net on 12 Jan 2024 06:37 next collapse

Wifi inside the cage?

KairuByte@lemmy.dbzer0.com on 12 Jan 2024 09:05 next collapse

A faraday cage doesn’t neutralize all wireless communication in its area, just from passing through its walls. Meaning that any network hardware within the cage would work just fine. You could even just slip the antenna in and leave the rest of the unit outside if the cage isn’t large enough.

abhibeckert@lemmy.world on 13 Jan 2024 03:43 collapse

Serious answer
 the GPS (and location tracking in general) on an iPhone is disabled by default and you’re asked to opt-in when you set up a new device. You don’t have to enable location features and you can change your mind later — on a case by case basis as well. So you an have GPS in maps and weather reports, but not allow the general system services to access your location.

fhek@lemmy.dbzer0.com on 12 Jan 2024 04:31 collapse

It’s likely to be based on your iOS account.

In order to use the EU store, your account just needs an EU address & credit card on file.

I say this because I have a coworker who came from Ukraine and today he asked me how to find the Tim Hortons app on the app store. His phone was still loading the EU store so there was no app found.

Once he changed his apple account address to Canada and added his Canadian card, he had access to the NA store.

M500@lemmy.ml on 12 Jan 2024 07:21 collapse

This policy is so frustrating for me.

I’m from the US but live in another country.

There are so many apps that are only available in one country or another so I effectively have two phones just so I can access all my banking apps and some streaming stuff.

anotherandrew@lemmy.mixdown.ca on 12 Jan 2024 22:43 collapse

You can create another Apple ID in the country you need. I am a Canadian in the US and couldn’t change the country of my Apple ID because I have active subscriptions (another idiotic limitation) I created a second ID with a US address and CC. Downloaded US-only apps just fine and didn’t lose my Canada-only ones either.

ShittyBeatlesFCPres@lemmy.world on 12 Jan 2024 03:33 next collapse

I’m looking forward to FDroid both because I support open source and because it’ll presumably be called Fapple or the Fapp Store and really disappoint some confused horny people when it’s just things like Termux and privacy apps.

andrew_bidlaw@sh.itjust.works on 12 Jan 2024 04:08 next collapse

More like F-Apple. Don’t pronounce it.

maxprime@lemmy.ml on 12 Jan 2024 13:56 collapse

You’re talking about the internet, here


andrew_bidlaw@sh.itjust.works on 12 Jan 2024 15:37 collapse

I could’ve put NSFW tag on that. Maybe someone would like to pronounce FAPPLE aloud in a public transport and everyone start ro furiously masturbate? I can’t take this responaibility. And are we really react IRL at what we read?

<img alt="When I laugh at jokes on the internet, I don’t actually laugh. I just blow more air out of my nose or mouth than usual" src="https://files.catbox.moe/7ep6az.jpg">

PS I got you, I’m pretty much overusing obscene words there, I’ve just remembered that rage comic-era picture.

ioslife@lemmy.sdf.org on 12 Jan 2024 12:15 collapse

FiOS makes the most sense to follow the naming convention.

AltStore also already exists

sunbeam60@lemmy.one on 12 Jan 2024 04:32 next collapse

Clickbait, still just rumours and speculation.

I mean, I agree with the rumours and speculation, but that doesn’t make it any more confirmed.

Corngood@lemmy.ml on 12 Jan 2024 05:45 next collapse

I wonder how this will work where apple controls the OS and sort of controls the Dev tools.

The gatekeeper shall not be prevented from taking proportionate measures to ensure that third party software applications or software application stores do not endanger the integrity of the hardware or operating system provided by the gatekeeper;

To me that sounds like they won’t have to offer root access to users, which is no suprise, but will they be able to continue to require certification of apps, even if they’re sold on other stores?

I’ve only just skimmed the legislation so far.

KairuByte@lemmy.dbzer0.com on 12 Jan 2024 09:02 collapse

Root is absolutely not required, you’re correct. But I don’t believe they would need to certify apps, since that kinda defeats one of the purposes.

This isn’t just “people should be able to not pay Apple a fee” it’s also “Apple has unreasonable control of the ecosystem and that is bad.” The moment Apple is allowed to just turn down whatever they don’t want on other stores, that second point is back in place.

Not to mention, Apple would be certifying apps either for free, or charging developers for that certification. Neither of which follows the spirit of the legislation.

smileyhead@discuss.tchncs.de on 12 Jan 2024 06:27 next collapse

I would love to see alternative operating systems, not just app stores.

Da_Boom@iusearchlinux.fyi on 12 Jan 2024 08:17 collapse

Android or some other Linux based os on iPhone hardware anyone?

smileyhead@discuss.tchncs.de on 12 Jan 2024 08:25 next collapse

There’s hardware we don’t know how to write free software for, because they won’t tell us how to use the hardware. That’s shocking. They want to sell you the product and they won’t tell you how to use it. They say “Here’s a non-free [proprietary] program you can use. Run it and shut up.”

Some time ago this was only about the peripetials and drivers, now this is about all phones, tablets and smart things


Adanisi@lemmy.zip on 12 Jan 2024 10:24 collapse

Upvoted for Stallman quote

unionagainstdhmo@aussie.zone on 12 Jan 2024 12:33 collapse

Upvoted for upvoting Stallman quote

WeirdGoesPro@lemmy.dbzer0.com on 12 Jan 2024 13:13 collapse

Sigh
unzips

dinckelman@lemmy.world on 12 Jan 2024 10:09 next collapse

As much as i’m excited about this, “rumors predict” and “this is coming” are not the same

lud@lemm.ee on 12 Jan 2024 12:31 collapse

I mean, what else could they do except comply?

dinckelman@lemmy.world on 12 Jan 2024 12:37 next collapse

It’s Apple we’re talking about. They will find ways to continue gatekeeping this as hard as possible

isVeryLoud@lemmy.ca on 13 Jan 2024 03:27 collapse

I mean TBF, everyone speculated that Apple would do some wacky antics to avoid putting a USB C port in their phones, like providing an adapter or removing it altogether.

TonyTonyChopper@mander.xyz on 12 Jan 2024 12:50 collapse

Think Different

unionagainstdhmo@aussie.zone on 12 Jan 2024 12:35 next collapse

I wish this was coming to Australia. I wish I didn’t have to pay ~$150 AUD to put my app on the store and not make any money after buying their stupid laptop as well

Lightrider@lemmynsfw.com on 12 Jan 2024 13:25 next collapse

Defeat the fuckingcapitalists

kittenzrulz123@lemmy.world on 12 Jan 2024 18:08 collapse

We need true freedom not surface level sideloading. We need to be able to freely modify our devices. If I want to I should be able to install Linux on my phone.

csm10495@sh.itjust.works on 13 Jan 2024 05:57 collapse

I guess you could do this on Android via a bootloader unlock, lots of work, and a cup of coffee.

I mean Android is a Linux kernel already so I guess you mean some other distro.

kittenzrulz123@lemmy.world on 14 Jan 2024 04:31 collapse

I want free as in freedom, not some watered down Google spyware. I don’t care if it technically uses Linux if I’m still not free.

csm10495@sh.itjust.works on 16 Jan 2024 05:12 collapse

There is nothing stopping you. Unlock the bootloader and you can do anything you want.

Write your own bootloader, os, etc. feel free.

kittenzrulz123@lemmy.world on 16 Jan 2024 11:36 collapse

I would but I use AT&T so my bootloader is locked, on top of that “write your own” is impossible when the OEM doesn’t provide schematics.

csm10495@sh.itjust.works on 17 Jan 2024 05:15 collapse

I’ve had AT&T with an unlocked bootloader. My Pixel is unlocked and can be bootloader unlocked. I’m sure you could find a phone that can have an unlocked bootloader.

Also, they have no reason to provide you with schematics or anything like that. Doing such a thing could give away a competitive advantage or give hints to competitors. If you really wanted, you could whip out the oscilloscope and trace leads, etc. You could also start with AOSP.

Once gain, you’re free to do whatever. They’re free to not give you info. Funny enough I guess in your case, they’re free to restrict your bootloader. Freedom works in all directions: for better or worse.

kittenzrulz123@lemmy.world on 17 Jan 2024 10:37 collapse

That’s why I believe in copyleft and the GPL, when corporations are free to sell devices without explaining how they function the users have no rights.

csm10495@sh.itjust.works on 17 Jan 2024 14:07 collapse

You have the right to buy something else.