Norgur@kbin.social
on 01 Dec 2023 03:05
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This might be naive me, but companies should be allowed to defend themselves in an investigation but should have no rights whatsoever to prevent one from occuring. If they fight the mere start of an investigation that hard, this sure is a "where there's smoke there's fire ' situation.
lolcatnip@reddthat.com
on 01 Dec 2023 13:30
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I think maybe you’re saying the same thing, but IMHO they should be able to defend themselves against prosecution, not against an investigation per se.
BananaTrifleViolin@lemmy.world
on 01 Dec 2023 15:48
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I agree although I think this is more around whether the CMA has the legal authority to investigate Apple. If Apple could show it doesn’t, it means it saves itself time, money and effort having to comply with the requirement of the investigation.
I do agree with you, but it’s also fair that if Apple think this is overreach they should be able to stop it. I think they should pay the costs though if the courts think this is gaming the system; the CMA investigating a competition issue is hardly unusual.
Personally I think the CMA is doing what it’s supposed to be doing.
Buddahriffic@lemmy.world
on 01 Dec 2023 18:08
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Jurisdiction is such a bullshit manufactured part of the legal system. It just limits the number of people that need to be corrupted for an entity to get away with shit.
The only important thing is to have protections in place to ensure an investigation isn’t an avenue for harassment, intimidation, or corporate espionage.
KairuByte@lemmy.dbzer0.com
on 01 Dec 2023 20:23
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Kinda? But jurisdiction is why a state can’t sue you for things done in a different state. Without jurisdiction, you’d have to follow all laws everywhere on the off chance someone, somewhere, decided you broke their local laws and reported you.
Buddahriffic@lemmy.world
on 01 Dec 2023 21:40
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That is the angle of it that does make sense. You can’t make and enforce laws for outside of your geographic area. I’m talking about jurisdiction of categories of law, hell even an outside agency pursuing someone for breaking a law in their own area.
The relevant questions are is this action illegal? Did they perform that action? Why did they perform that action? Was it deliberate or negligent? Are there other mitigating or compounding factors?
Whose job is it to investigate that kind of crime shouldn’t matter. What is the evidence, not who is presenting it (though that is relevant in questioning if the evidence is valid or fabricated).
Preferably it is the right specialists doing the investigation, but that’s more of an efficiency thing for those running those agencies.
crit@links.hackliberty.org
on 04 Dec 2023 01:17
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Well if they’re going business in the UK they should be bound to UK laws
Eggyhead@kbin.social
on 01 Dec 2023 06:16
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Okay, time give the phone back to your mommy.
Kalothar@lemmy.ca
on 01 Dec 2023 06:18
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You should either try some drugs or stop trying drugs, one of the two.
Either way, talk to a physician
SweatyFireBalls@lemmy.world
on 01 Dec 2023 08:08
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I don’t see anything wrong with being gay or a pervert. Might just be me but I’d put my money on most people being “perverts” by any definition a delusional prude could come up with. Nothing wrong with coming onto anyone either, actually. I’ve been hit on by men, and while I’m not interested I was flattered. Respecting their response to your flirtation is what matters.
The only real thing that could be an issue in this fever dream of a comment is if he repeatedly did come onto him but I have to say there is no shot I’m going to take anyone with all of your bias seriously. Jobs had a few screws loose and I would be willing to believe that the reason he would turn anything down is because he believed his alternatives would cure him. However I’m also willing to acknowledge my own bias, because I don’t think the man deserves the respect he gets, he seemed to do nothing but take advantage of others around him to get what he wanted.
Step back and ask yourself do you really think that being gay or being a pervert is an issue or are you just told to think it should be? Is it really a thought point you came to on your own? Or maybe when he came out the article you read on it was written by a journalist with homophobic undertones and you internalized the homophobic response, after all it’s going to be easy to do if you already believe that gay = bad.
It can be scary to think for yourself, especially if the people around you do not try to do so and be open minded themselves. You’ll feel lonely and isolated by the people closest to you, I’ve been there and it was hard. I hope you can change for the better and maybe you’ll be a little less miserable, in my experience I grew to be happier and less lonely in the long run.
TheGrandNagus@lemmy.world
on 01 Dec 2023 10:32
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Steve Jobs explicitly wanted Tim to take over Apple. If Cook was trying to force himself on Steve in a way that made Steve uncomfortable, there’s no way he’d have done that.
And it’s not odd that someone’s gay at all. Loads of people are gay. Fuck off with your homophobia.
E: and they’re a tankie. Why am I not surprised?
Flaky@iusearchlinux.fyi
on 01 Dec 2023 13:37
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This is how I learned Apple was even being investigated for this.
cholesterol@lemmy.world
on 01 Dec 2023 14:32
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the Competition and Markets Authority in the UK wants a market investigation to determine if Apple’s policy against allowing cloud gaming services on the App Store is anticompetitive.
What is disallowed exactly? GeForce Now has an app store app, and I’ve used it for cloud gaming.
edit: oh, probably if the apps have their own stores or included games and Apple can’t take a percentage of those sales. GeForce Now doesn’t sell games.
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Lets hope an investigation occurs…
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This might be naive me, but companies should be allowed to defend themselves in an investigation but should have no rights whatsoever to prevent one from occuring. If they fight the mere start of an investigation that hard, this sure is a "where there's smoke there's fire ' situation.
I think maybe you’re saying the same thing, but IMHO they should be able to defend themselves against prosecution, not against an investigation per se.
I agree although I think this is more around whether the CMA has the legal authority to investigate Apple. If Apple could show it doesn’t, it means it saves itself time, money and effort having to comply with the requirement of the investigation.
I do agree with you, but it’s also fair that if Apple think this is overreach they should be able to stop it. I think they should pay the costs though if the courts think this is gaming the system; the CMA investigating a competition issue is hardly unusual.
Personally I think the CMA is doing what it’s supposed to be doing.
Jurisdiction is such a bullshit manufactured part of the legal system. It just limits the number of people that need to be corrupted for an entity to get away with shit.
The only important thing is to have protections in place to ensure an investigation isn’t an avenue for harassment, intimidation, or corporate espionage.
Kinda? But jurisdiction is why a state can’t sue you for things done in a different state. Without jurisdiction, you’d have to follow all laws everywhere on the off chance someone, somewhere, decided you broke their local laws and reported you.
That is the angle of it that does make sense. You can’t make and enforce laws for outside of your geographic area. I’m talking about jurisdiction of categories of law, hell even an outside agency pursuing someone for breaking a law in their own area.
The relevant questions are is this action illegal? Did they perform that action? Why did they perform that action? Was it deliberate or negligent? Are there other mitigating or compounding factors?
Whose job is it to investigate that kind of crime shouldn’t matter. What is the evidence, not who is presenting it (though that is relevant in questioning if the evidence is valid or fabricated).
Preferably it is the right specialists doing the investigation, but that’s more of an efficiency thing for those running those agencies.
Well if they’re going business in the UK they should be bound to UK laws
.
Okay, time give the phone back to your mommy.
You should either try some drugs or stop trying drugs, one of the two.
Either way, talk to a physician
I don’t see anything wrong with being gay or a pervert. Might just be me but I’d put my money on most people being “perverts” by any definition a delusional prude could come up with. Nothing wrong with coming onto anyone either, actually. I’ve been hit on by men, and while I’m not interested I was flattered. Respecting their response to your flirtation is what matters.
The only real thing that could be an issue in this fever dream of a comment is if he repeatedly did come onto him but I have to say there is no shot I’m going to take anyone with all of your bias seriously. Jobs had a few screws loose and I would be willing to believe that the reason he would turn anything down is because he believed his alternatives would cure him. However I’m also willing to acknowledge my own bias, because I don’t think the man deserves the respect he gets, he seemed to do nothing but take advantage of others around him to get what he wanted.
Step back and ask yourself do you really think that being gay or being a pervert is an issue or are you just told to think it should be? Is it really a thought point you came to on your own? Or maybe when he came out the article you read on it was written by a journalist with homophobic undertones and you internalized the homophobic response, after all it’s going to be easy to do if you already believe that gay = bad.
It can be scary to think for yourself, especially if the people around you do not try to do so and be open minded themselves. You’ll feel lonely and isolated by the people closest to you, I’ve been there and it was hard. I hope you can change for the better and maybe you’ll be a little less miserable, in my experience I grew to be happier and less lonely in the long run.
Steve Jobs explicitly wanted Tim to take over Apple. If Cook was trying to force himself on Steve in a way that made Steve uncomfortable, there’s no way he’d have done that.
And it’s not odd that someone’s gay at all. Loads of people are gay. Fuck off with your homophobia.
E: and they’re a tankie. Why am I not surprised?
This is how I learned Apple was even being investigated for this.
What is disallowed exactly? GeForce Now has an app store app, and I’ve used it for cloud gaming.
edit: oh, probably if the apps have their own stores or included games and Apple can’t take a percentage of those sales. GeForce Now doesn’t sell games.