It comes preinstalled in a lot of phones and cant be uninstalled and in some phones they dont preinstall the main fb app instead they’d have something like ‘facebook manager’ or ‘something service’ which only shows up in app list when you select the “show system apps” option.
I’ve read stories that fb is basically the internet for countries in Africa. It’s their version of America Online, but much worse.
couch1potato@lemmy.dbzer0.com
on 15 Jan 16:05
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In mexico most (if not all) cell service providers give social media for free, ie it uses no data in your phone plan.
What is social media, according to these companies? Facebook, WhatsApp, Instagram. That’s it. Everyone uses Facebook marketplace and WhatsApp for everything, because it’s “free”.
I think most people don’t understand the stranglehold Meta has over a huge portion of the world’s population. I’m confident this arrangement is not only going on in mexico.
Worst part is the only free part is the texting, any kind of multimedia will consume data, but people never read what they sign and then get mad when they run out… And then they sign for a bigger data plan to compensate instead of adjusting their usage.
Thats what internet.org was about, fb partnered with major telecoms in many countries with no net neutrality laws to let people use fb for free and a few other websites but except for wikipedia most were pretty much useless.
Probably because you’re accessing it from a country where its not available. free.facebook.com is also another link that only works in countries their internet.org is available in.
I think that just further proves how bad it is, with both links. I wasn’t aware it was so expansive.
IDKWhatUsernametoPutHereLolol@lemmy.dbzer0.com
on 15 Jan 15:09
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It comes preinstalled in a lot of phones
Those are typically carrier-sold phones.
Most unlocked phones purchased directly from the manufacturer (or via a retail store like BestBuy) do not have it pre-installed, and even if it is, its removable.
Weirdly enough, the best manufacturers for minimum bloat ware are the Chinese brands. Doogee and Ulefone have the bare minimum, just the basic Google apps.
It was that combined with the fact that they create shadow profiles for your unborn child when your wife is pregnant. (Found out through FB being allowed to track your browsing history even off the app). That was the final straw right after the Cambridge Analytica issue.
I hadn’t heard of this either but here’s an article about Facebook keeping shadow profiles on non-users that references an article from 2012 where Target’s data collection determined a teen girl was pregnant before she told her dad
If you look up the practical application of Shadow profiles they have the ability to gather information about non-users, which also includes unborn children in the case of them discovering that the mother is pregnant through whatever web searches that they may be doing even outside of Facebook. The whole science of Shadow profiles used to strengthen the algorithm is incredibly frightening and part of the reason why I left Facebook.
JackbyDev@programming.dev
on 16 Jan 19:02
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I can almost excuse shadow profiles for things like “two people both have X contact in their phone”, but making them for unborn children? Lord have mercy. That’s genuinely crazy. It makes me wonder if it’s something like they just marked someone as pregnant based on searches (weird, but maybe acceptable, idk) and it got taken out of context? Hopefully? Either way it’s icky.
proudblond@lemmy.world
on 15 Jan 17:42
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I don’t remember exactly when I did but it was around then. Sooo much happier honestly.
corsicanguppy@lemmy.ca
on 15 Jan 18:26
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Stayed with FB despite Cambridge because Portal TV.
I’ll still maintain an account because Portal TV.
It’s a gorgeous product done wrong by meta and in need of a cloning.
Sabata11792@ani.social
on 15 Jan 19:45
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People should have deleted it as soon as their parents figured out how to make an account.
cybersandwich@lemmy.world
on 17 Jan 02:37
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Haha! That’s what I did. When my aunt tried to friend request me on Facebook, I bailed.
I joined back in college when it was an invite only walled-garden of college kids. Zucks pic was still in the banner when I joined iirc. They hadn’t release “the wall” or much of what Facebook eventually became.
But when parents and coworkers started trying to friend request me I realized it was time to bail.
So 12 years ago? Maybe just 10.
I have never missed it at all.
RagingRobot@lemmy.world
on 15 Jan 22:34
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It would be easier if they didn’t buy other products I already used. I hate that shit so much. I wish companies were all banned from buying other companies. A company should be one thing, not own all the things. It’s hard to choose who you do business with in our country because of this. Even if we all drop these apps today and move to something else they will try to buy that too.
UristMcHolland@lemmy.world
on 16 Jan 14:17
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I deleted my Facebook account years ago, probably right around 2016. I met a new girl last year and she wanted me to make a Facebook account so she could send me stuff. I relented and made a “new” account using the same email I used back in 2016. Low and behold, Facebook never deleted a fucking thing.
JackbyDev@programming.dev
on 16 Jan 18:59
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The ol’ “marked as deleted” lol.
desmosthenes@lemmy.world
on 16 Jan 14:20
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that’s when I dipped - graph api was scary powerful
I deleted mine shortly thereafter. I tried to convince friends and family to do the same but got accusations of being paranoid or a conspiracy theorist. Jump to now, everyone’s Christmas gifts from them this year was tatty bullshit from Temu that was advertised to them on Facebook and I spend most of my time with them dismantling conspiracy theories and misinformation they picked up from the dumbasses they interact with on that fucking site.
That’s when I started refusing to use it. I only still have my account because my family refuses to call when shit happens now and only seem to announce it on facebook. So i check it every 6 months.
Resonosity@lemmy.dbzer0.com
on 16 Jan 20:35
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I did
sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works
on 17 Jan 03:01
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I beat it by a year or two. For me it was that every time I would log in, my cousin’s friend would say hi, and I’ve only talked to him like once at a family gathering he was at for some reason. I realized most of my Facebook use was deflecting that person instead of actually talking to friends. I looked into it and thought it was super creepy what Facebook was doing with my data, and realized I was getting nothing for all of that invasion of my privacy, so I bailed.
I had to create an account a few years later (probably around 2016) because I needed to work with some FB employees for a couple weeks, and then I deleted it after that contract.
Since then, I’ve avoided all Meta products.
ToastySaff@lemmy.world
on 15 Jan 14:55
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He’s getting very Trumpy with the orange tint and pale skin around the eyes.
That’s just him using a tanning bed.
Trumps too lazy to even use one.
TimeSquirrel@kbin.melroy.org
on 15 Jan 15:44
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He needs to slow it down because it's very noticably aging him. Kids, don't bake your skin in cancer rays just for some outdated 80s "bronze" Baywatch look.
Actually, maybe he needs to do even more sessions now that I think about it.
LucasWaffyWaf@lemmy.world
on 15 Jan 15:46
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How did he miss the point? If his family is already using WhatsApp selling the idea that it’s free calling + texting over wifi does nothing. They already have that.
He should be trying to sell privacy but unfortunately not enough people care about it.
Gormadt@lemmy.blahaj.zone
on 15 Jan 20:09
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Once these platforms are perceived as a way for people to make a living somehow, they ain’t leaving. That’s why nice places like mastodon stay niche. Without virality, people don’t see the upside for them. They want a grift they can understand.
That is sounding more and more like a benefit to me. Social media that functions as social media for humans and not just another giant corporate surveillance and marketing machine wearing a fun app costume.
Oh yeah no disagreement there. The way that social media of all types democratizes content creation and celebrity status is great.
For me personally, the YouTube model is great where individuals can basically produce their own TV show or documentaries. But all the other big corporate social media services are meh in comparison. When it comes to interaction rather than consuming, that’s when I love Lemmy.
PumpkinEscobar@lemmy.world
on 15 Jan 15:38
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no fact checking and a ton of bots being added? Sounds like a fantastic place to spend time. /s
iAmTheTot@sh.itjust.works
on 15 Jan 15:41
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I only had to google it because they make it so convoluted to find the delete account button.
I don’t care about Facebook, but Messenger and Marketplace I cannot replace them at all for the moment :-/
HootinNHollerin@lemmy.dbzer0.com
on 15 Jan 15:53
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Instead of market place I use buy nothing, and offer up, and just give to my local goodwill.
There’s a buy nothing app. It’s a free community run organization for local things that started on Facebook then they made an app and website. It’s all give away stuff but I’ve gotten some really nice & expensive stuff off there and given a lot away too. It’s not as active as their Facebook buy nothing groups, but now maybe that will change. I refuse to use Facebook since I watched my mom turn into a crazy conspiracy trump shit person in 2020.
Ive even made friends with a few people through a few exchanges to them over time on buy nothing, like a nice old lady that I give fruit to from my garden and she makes jam out of it and gives me some back
skillissuer@discuss.tchncs.de
on 15 Jan 15:51
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that’s some glorious schadenfreude
zuck just few hours ago: “people who talk about leaving facebook are just virtue signalling”
uberdroog@lemmy.world
on 15 Jan 16:01
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Super easy, barely an inconvenience. The age of social media needs to die
Mihies@programming.dev
on 15 Jan 16:58
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Why die, though? There are open source and federated alternatives or there.
Yes that’s what we’re Increasingly moving towards.
Nope. We’ve been there for a long, long time now. People are only figuring it out now, though.
Beware though, that all of this is a spectrum…
The (so-called) “political spectrum” becomes perfectly irrelevant once you understand WHY and HOW our political establishments dangle the liberal carrot and the fascist stick before us.
fuck_u_spez_in_particular@lemmy.world
on 17 Jan 01:27
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Nope. We’ve been there for a long, long time now.
To a degree yes, but the intensity changes. And I know there were times, where there was even greater inequality (e.g. Mansa Musa). Yet it’s not really comparable with the modern world, which largely relies on speculative assets, and growth.
becomes perfectly irrelevant
No it doesn’t, fascism is a different level than liberal establishments. Our democracies are far from perfect, but they at least have some form of control by the people, to keep power somewhat in check. Fascism is definitely concentrating on centralizing power, with the tendency to escalate (as obviously seen in the past). Also there are a lot of statistics, which show, that we were in a comparably very peaceful state for some time (since the last world war), but we’re currently getting out of that period again (though still relatively peaceful), into a more autocratic world again unfortunately.
I’m speaking as european, where things are not (yet) that bad. The “democracy” in the USA is definitely less democratic than let’s say scandinavian democracies… And I don’t want to even begin with something like Russia or China.
How many times will the liberal establishments have to blatantly show you what it truly is before you believe them? They’ve been doing it at least since 1919, but it has never been more blatant than now.
Since you’re European, I’d like to know what thought-terminating cliches you use to explain to yourself why Germany’s oh-so-liberal political establishment has co-existed, side-by-side, with a securotocracy that was filled to the brim with Nazi war criminals ever since the end of WW2.
You’d think the oh-so-liberal Global North being exposed red-handed funding yet another colonialist genocide would make a dent in those cliches, but I guess it’s true what the anarchists say… scratch a fascist and a liberal bleeds.
Fascism is definitely concentrating on centralizing power,
Fascists don’t “concentrate” power - they are HANDED power that has ALREADY been concentrated FOR them. You wanna guess who it is that concentrates it before handing it over to them? Do tell… how has police funding been doing under all these liberal regimes in Europe, eh?
Let me ELI5 it to you so that you cannot claim nobody told you.
The capitalist ruling elite, like all ruling elites throughout history, requires TWO things to stabilize their own power and privilege. They need a way to CO-OPT certain segments of the populace they rule over, and a way to brutally REPRESS those parts they can’t or don’t want to co-opt. Carrot and stick - no need for a fancy poli-sci degree to understand this.
Therefore, the capitalists have developed a POLITICAL wing, which we call “liberalism,” and a REPRESSIVE wing, which we call “fascism.” That is what they have been since the start (ie, long before Mussolini gave fascism a name) - and which one you get depends on how much of a threat the capitalists think you pose to their precious world order.
Fascism and liberalism is joined at the hip - you can’t have one without the other.
fuck_u_spez_in_particular@lemmy.world
on 18 Jan 21:55
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After all this text-wall, I’d be interested in your political attitude.
Fascists don’t “concentrate” power - they are HANDED power that has ALREADY been concentrated FOR them.
So you agree with me? I didn’t say fascists are concentrating power, but they definitely maintain it (just look at the third Reich and literally all other fascistic states). (And in reality they definitely sought after concentrating power, yet again just look at the history of the third Reich…)
The world is much less black and white as you depict it here. True, all the (liberal) democracies to date have their flaws and at least traces of fascism (unfortunately) growing this time again.
I can rant about it all day if I wanted to (but I consider that a waste of time after having wasted too much with that already).
But (true) liberalism is not fascism, say what you want. After all, it’s about being liberal (I don’t consider our late-stage-capitalism liberal btw. capitalism is as we see right now in the US also concentrating power to the rich)…
I consider liberalism closer to anarchism (not the capitalistic kind of course). There are obviously differences, but as being liberal has to do with personal freedom, and anarchism is about being against all forms of authority, it’s per definition closer to that than fascism.
How it’s interpreted is a whole different story. Same with all the “communistic” kinds of states. I don’t think we ever had “real” communism, only authoritarianism with the label of “communism”.
For whom? Who really wins when the fascists leave power? The very same class of people who funded them into power in the first place, perhaps? How are the descendents of the capitalists who funded Nazi Germany and Showa Japan doing these days? How are the corporations doing that coined it during the Pinochet-regime in Chile or the Apartheid-regime in South Africa?
That is perfectly black and white.
But (true) liberalism is not fascism
At what point was liberalism not colonialist? At what point was it not capitalist? Liberalism created the systems of wealth accumulation and labour exploitation that keeps the (so-called) “1st world” rich… so who do you think they keep around to protect all of this from the people all this wealth and labour was stolen from?
I consider liberalism closer to anarchism
Then you understand neither.
I don’t think we ever had “real” communism,
No argument here.
fuck_u_spez_in_particular@lemmy.world
on 21 Jan 10:33
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For whom?
For their unsatisfiable thirst of power?
I mean they only get power because people give it them, but I think it’s still the fascists who spark this process… It’s a little bit of a chicken-egg situation…
Do you really think that our wannabe-Nazi Elon is yet on the same level as Hitler? (It could develop into that, but that’s a big if)
Then you understand neither.
Oh I do as anarchist… As I say the world isn’t as black and white in reality. The goal of these both are similar: freedom. Albeit different definitions and ways to achieve it.
But it’s definitely different than fascism which is mostly centralized oppression… I.e. oppression of freedom.
I’d say it’s basically a wild mix/spectrum of different ideologies in reality.
I’d agree with (I think) at least one thing the general accepted opinion of liberalism (which is basically capitalism) is definitely leaning more towards fascism than say anarchism, but that probably also has to do with that anarchism in reality is not a model that is achievable at least so far, similar with real communism.
So not the liberals (and the capitalists that they truly represent) who can get down to “business as usual” after the fascists brutally repressed the working class for them, eh?
It’s a little bit of a chicken-egg situation
No, it isn’t.
Gustav Krupp, Wilhelm von Opel, Albert Vögler - oh-so-liberal Weimar Germany’s richest and most “respectable.” Would you qualify them as chickens or eggs?
our wannabe-Nazi Elon
Do you think that Elon will be hurt much if they fine him a measly 15% of his assets, like they did with Hitler-benefactor Fritz Thyssen?
The goal of these both are similar: freedom.
Liberalism’s aim is the freedom of the capitalist, and the indentured servitude of everyone else.
Billionaires or not, they don’t have control of state militaries (yet at least). In fascism, the state is at the top, and corporations bend the knee and become an extension of the government to be used at the whims of its authoritarian leader.
What it ultimately comes down to is power and the capacity for violence. It doesn’t matter how much money you have, if a government can just drone strike your entire family, does it?
Of course they don’t. They don’t need direct control of the military. That’s what their pet political establishment is there for. You know… the political establishment who gets to decide who they will ALLOW you to vote for every four years?
In fascism, the state is at the top
And liberalism differs from that… how?
and become an extension of the government
And what did you think the Military-Industrial Complex was?
You’re not describing anything here that differs from liberalism in any fundamental way. You’re not wrong - I just don’t think you realize the full implications of what it is you are saying.
It doesn’t matter how much money you have,
We’re not talking about the surgeon who lives in the nice part of town and drives a Merc here… we are talking about the capitalist class who controls ALL of our society INCLUDING it’s repression apparatus. And Trump, an incompetent capitalist nepobaby cosplaying as a fascist, needs Zuckerberg far more than Zuckerberg needs Trump. Trump knows it, and the entire US political establishment knows it.
I’m waiting to see what happens before I make any moves. I’ve been on Meta apps for over a decade, I don’t want to lose the connections if I don’t have to.
Gormadt@lemmy.blahaj.zone
on 15 Jan 20:12
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How many of those connections would you say are actively maintained instead of just passively there?
Those that are actively maintained you can likely send them something like Signal and start chatting on that instead.
I know this got a lot of downvotes, that’s fine. Most of my friends are not tech-savvy or young, they’re not going to be signing up for Lemmy or Mastodon. I’m not ready to lose touch with them entirely. I have taken steps to limit what info Meta can collect from me and stopped posting there entirely. I check in now and then to see if there’s anything big, but that’s it.
Kongar@lemmy.dbzer0.com
on 15 Jan 18:16
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Will never happen. Those platforms literally push addiction. It’s why the fediverse won’t ever compete imo - there’s no dopamine hit here of likes, # of friends, send a snap right now (or whatever they are called), streaks, etc.
theangryseal@lemmy.world
on 15 Jan 18:55
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I get it. I left Facebook when they changed the feed like a thousand years ago and I haven’t missed it.
My wife is definitely addicted though. She left it for a year, went back just to check in on family after a friend of hers had a baby and she didn’t know about it. She hasn’t put it down since.
She’s a very family oriented person and everyone is on Facebook. Their family is the type to wake up first thing in the morning and start calling each other.
Within minutes of being up, “Ok kids let’s talk to mamaw. Let’s talk to aunty. Now we’re calling great grandma!” Cousins, aunts, uncles, everybody. They’re always talking.
My family is tight like if something goes wrong, but we don’t talk much otherwise. Sister needs help with a bill, someone’s car breaks down, blah blah blah. We can count on each other, just not to talk.
I get why it means so much to her and why it’s been easier for me. I’ll know my cousin had a kid when I bump into her with it at the grocery store. That’s good enough for my people. :p
Edit:
Not that anyone will see this, but we were talking about it tonight and I was dead wrong. She missed her cousins wedding. That’s why she went back, she’s still very sad about it.
affiliate@lemmy.world
on 15 Jan 20:07
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i agree with what you’re saying and i think we’re mostly on the same page here. i just felt it would be worth saying that, from my perspective, the point of the fediverse isn’t to compete with those websites but instead to be an alternative to them. it’s to offer a picture of what social media can be like without dark patterns, extreme surveillance, and constant enshittification. and there is a really comfort in that. it feels really nice to not have to worry about a website or app getting worse every time i use it.
i also feel like the people on here tend to behave more thoughtfully (in general) than people on reddit and other for profit social media websites. and it wouldn’t surprise me if that was in part due to the absence of dark patterns making lemmy feel more relaxed and less high stakes. there’s also a bit of a small town feeling on this website that i kind of like too.
We all know that in the end only maybe 1 or 2% max will delete their account
mesamunefire@lemmy.world
on 15 Jan 20:26
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meh its no longer growing.
ThePrivacyPolicy@lemmy.ca
on 15 Jan 21:01
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Exactly this. Wasn’t Netflix going to sink after everyone cancelled when password sharing was banned? But everyone I know just ended up buying extra logins…
SaharaMaleikuhm@feddit.org
on 15 Jan 23:11
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I’d delete mine, but I don’t have one for 10 years or smth.
That’s fine. 1% per uberweird news cycle is the death of facebook.
DocumentingReality@lemmy.cafe
on 15 Jan 20:28
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I posted that article on Mastodon. So, yeah…
I hope more people will find that these open source social media sites are much better run. As well, as a much better platform than Facebook, Twitter, Youtube, etc.
Although, I do miss Myspace. The old platform.
I deactivated my Twitter and Facebook accounts weeks ago. I have my friends and family “moved over” to Friendica. They seem to like it so far. I have even posted (on Friendica) a few links of other open source social sites for them to check out.
According to Google Trends, related searches like “how to delete all photos facebook,” “alternative to facebook,” “how to quit facebook,” “how to delete threads account,” and “how to delete instagram account without logging in” have become breakout searches, with popularity suddenly increasing by over 5,000% compared to previous periods.
So that is 51 times higher than usual? Am I mathing that correctly?
I wish stories like this wouldn’t use percentages this way, and reported hard actual numbers to compare against.
Rekorse@sh.itjust.works
on 15 Jan 23:29
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Yeah so if it was 100 queries per day before, its now 5100 per day. Or maybe we are both crazy.
And those are real users too. They are intching closer and close to just being a bot hellscape.
takeheart@lemmy.world
on 16 Jan 08:58
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Yeah,
1 + (1*5000%) = 51
Honestly I prefer just writing “51 times more frequent”.
JackbyDev@programming.dev
on 16 Jan 18:55
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So true… When I see 100% more, I interpret it as 2x. But somewhere around, idk, maybe 300% I interpret “300% more” as 3x. I know that’s technically not correct, but it’s just where my brain goes. I think a good deal of people just throw around “n% more” and “n% as often” interchangeably without much thought.
Luckily, the bigger the number the less of a difference between the two which is aligned with my brain using them the same.
(And obviously, if it’s anything technical where it matters I would get clarification.)
he’s replacing it with community notes, which is a good thing. the problem i have with Facebook and Instagram is all the useless junk videos that i didn’t ask for and it keeps showing me
Since Facebook market place is the defacto classified now I keep my account around to buy and sell. My feed is full of AI generated images related to anything I search on market place. Right now it is all trucks because I was looking for truck tires.
The bad faith actors used to outnumber the good. That’s why Wikipedia’s reputation has never recovered, and they’ve never been able to beat the allegations. However, Wikipedia fixed what was wrong with their system of citing and verifying information contributed by others years ago. And X’s Community Notes system has a similar mechanism in place that has proven to be equally as effective and verifiable.
I have no clue why anyone takes this seriously or is concerned about this. I have seen maybe three fact-checks during my lifetime on Facebook. That was a long long time ago. I disagreed with two of them and I am not sure if the third one said anything interesting.
Is there a population somewhere I am not aware of, who believes everything they see on Facebook, who will now be ruined by this change?
Appoxo@lemmy.dbzer0.com
on 16 Jan 17:46
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The usual suspects of Gen Boomer and X that first preached to not believe anything on the internet and yet doing exactly that without an external fact check.
Personally for stuff I don’t really care, I will always say “Allegedly (…)” before stating something a website says. If the stuff is important (to me or a peer) I might look harder into it.
I dont think fact checking was the main reason, moreso that they decided to allow hate speech (e.g. They’re allowing targetted hate against LGBT groups).
hessenjunge@discuss.tchncs.de
on 16 Jan 19:30
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Never seen FB disallow fake news or hate speech as long as it is coming from the (extreme) right.
Either they just stop pretending now or irl somehow get even worse?
They censored certain phrases and words, which they plan on no longer enforcing. I agree that they leave hate speech on the platform (reports rarely do anything) but the looser restrictions mean people can post even more hateful content and that paves the way for discrimatory ideologies
The anonymous fact-checking is the main thing PEOPLE took issue with. Like, oh I’m supposed to believe your anonymous fact-checkers know better than me or my trusted sources on what’s true/false, but you refuse to identify or provide the credentials of those fact-checkers, so their integrity and validity can be certified?
But it’s not the anonymous strangers arbitrarily sifting the wheat from the chaff willy nilly, and with no evidence to support their claims, that were the problem /s. , The problem was CLEARLY the people who took issue with an anonymous rando who has the power to declare a reputable source of info is lying, can not be disputed on that front (even in the many instances of them being wrong), and whose credentials can not be verified but is still supposed to be arbitrarily accepted as the supreme arbiter of reality and fiction.
Bought and paid for by a soulless corporation. I’ll take “extreme dought” for $500. I was more likely to believe in Santa Clause than an anonymous figure who had no credentials or checks and balances of any kind.
Mojimbo54321@lemmy.world
on 16 Jan 18:58
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Dropped Facebook completely in 2018 my mental health was much better for it
A valid argument, and a practice that should absolutely be encouraged in and of itself. When it comes to cancel Culture, and weaponizing hearsay and defamation to try to actively sabotage an entire company or a person without evidence or due process, that’s one thing I think has gotten out of hand. But the practice of voting with your wallet is your right, healthy for our economy and the businesses that contribute to it, and is not inherently predatory or antagonistic, unlike what Cancel Culture has become.
my grandma is still alive, some other family as well. with AI voice cloning and things i just foresee a lot of negative possibilities. maybe in another decade nobody i know would be on those places as well, hopefully there is some alternative for keeping up with family and old colleagues etc.
sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works
on 17 Jan 04:40
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What about regular calls and visits? People don’t seem to have genuine conversations on SM like they do in person or on the phone.
unfortunately can’t jet across the country regularly, as much as i might wish. and sometimes calls happen over (guess what) fb messenger. not everything is a conversation, but meta products cover a lot of ground beyond status updates at this point.
sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works
on 17 Jan 04:49
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They do, but is that actually helping build your relationship? Or does it make you feel like you’re more connected than you are and justify calling/visiting a bit less?
Yeah, they know you’re addicted, and won’t let you cut yourself off
Teknikal@eviltoast.org
on 16 Jan 19:26
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I’ve never had even a single Facebook account, to explain why it’s because the UK police once tried to stitch me up and they kept demanding my Facebook account (presumably to fish) I never had one but they would not let that go.
Once I got representation that line of questioning ended but holy hell did they seem to put a lot of emphasis on my non existent Facebook account.
For the curious I was raided due to an anonymous phone (to the mayor’s office) call that claimed I was going to shoot up my workplace or something ridiculous.
My belief is the police wanted to impress the mayor so they just wouldn’t let it go despite being nonsense until I paid representation to make them behave.
This is actually crazy, on the part of the UK police. I knew the UK government are more like that nosy old granny with binoculars than we have it in the States when it comes to stuff like Facebook and etc, but damn. I will allow that school shooting threats are serious, but in and of itself, actively trying to interrogate someone and demanding their SNS is a new level of invasive imo.
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Gud gud
It comes preinstalled in a lot of phones and cant be uninstalled and in some phones they dont preinstall the main fb app instead they’d have something like ‘facebook manager’ or ‘something service’ which only shows up in app list when you select the “show system apps” option.
I’ve read stories that fb is basically the internet for countries in Africa. It’s their version of America Online, but much worse.
In mexico most (if not all) cell service providers give social media for free, ie it uses no data in your phone plan.
What is social media, according to these companies? Facebook, WhatsApp, Instagram. That’s it. Everyone uses Facebook marketplace and WhatsApp for everything, because it’s “free”.
I think most people don’t understand the stranglehold Meta has over a huge portion of the world’s population. I’m confident this arrangement is not only going on in mexico.
That’s a great strategy for creating a stranglehold on the market. I hate it.
And that’s why net neutrality is important!
Hopefully NN didn’t get absolutely killed this last time it was shot down.
Worst part is the only free part is the texting, any kind of multimedia will consume data, but people never read what they sign and then get mad when they run out… And then they sign for a bigger data plan to compensate instead of adjusting their usage.
Thats what internet.org was about, fb partnered with major telecoms in many countries with no net neutrality laws to let people use fb for free and a few other websites but except for wikipedia most were pretty much useless.
Internet.org redirects to about.meta.com just FYI.
Probably because you’re accessing it from a country where its not available. free.facebook.com is also another link that only works in countries their internet.org is available in.
I think that just further proves how bad it is, with both links. I wasn’t aware it was so expansive.
Those are typically carrier-sold phones.
Most unlocked phones purchased directly from the manufacturer (or via a retail store like BestBuy) do not have it pre-installed, and even if it is, its removable.
Nope. My Galaxy S23 is unlocked and it has Facebook and Meta crap installed as “system” apps. Same with an older Sony phone.
Weirdly enough, the best manufacturers for minimum bloat ware are the Chinese brands. Doogee and Ulefone have the bare minimum, just the basic Google apps.
Just use UAD to disable the service, easy
People should've dropped FB back in 2016 or when the Cambridge Analytica happened.
It was that combined with the fact that they create shadow profiles for your unborn child when your wife is pregnant. (Found out through FB being allowed to track your browsing history even off the app). That was the final straw right after the Cambridge Analytica issue.
Wait what the bloody fuck? I haven’t heard anything about this. Sounds right up their alley, but what evidence is it based on?
I hadn’t heard of this either but here’s an article about Facebook keeping shadow profiles on non-users that references an article from 2012 where Target’s data collection determined a teen girl was pregnant before she told her dad
Target didn’t figure out a teenager was pregnant before her father did, and that one article that said they did was silly and bad.
If you look up the practical application of Shadow profiles they have the ability to gather information about non-users, which also includes unborn children in the case of them discovering that the mother is pregnant through whatever web searches that they may be doing even outside of Facebook. The whole science of Shadow profiles used to strengthen the algorithm is incredibly frightening and part of the reason why I left Facebook.
I can almost excuse shadow profiles for things like “two people both have X contact in their phone”, but making them for unborn children? Lord have mercy. That’s genuinely crazy. It makes me wonder if it’s something like they just marked someone as pregnant based on searches (weird, but maybe acceptable, idk) and it got taken out of context? Hopefully? Either way it’s icky.
Yep, but the second best time would be now.
I don’t remember exactly when I did but it was around then. Sooo much happier honestly.
Stayed with FB despite Cambridge because Portal TV.
I’ll still maintain an account because Portal TV.
It’s a gorgeous product done wrong by meta and in need of a cloning.
People should have deleted it as soon as their parents figured out how to make an account.
Haha! That’s what I did. When my aunt tried to friend request me on Facebook, I bailed.
I joined back in college when it was an invite only walled-garden of college kids. Zucks pic was still in the banner when I joined iirc. They hadn’t release “the wall” or much of what Facebook eventually became.
But when parents and coworkers started trying to friend request me I realized it was time to bail.
So 12 years ago? Maybe just 10.
I have never missed it at all.
It would be easier if they didn’t buy other products I already used. I hate that shit so much. I wish companies were all banned from buying other companies. A company should be one thing, not own all the things. It’s hard to choose who you do business with in our country because of this. Even if we all drop these apps today and move to something else they will try to buy that too.
I deleted my Facebook account years ago, probably right around 2016. I met a new girl last year and she wanted me to make a Facebook account so she could send me stuff. I relented and made a “new” account using the same email I used back in 2016. Low and behold, Facebook never deleted a fucking thing.
The ol’ “marked as deleted” lol.
that’s when I dipped - graph api was scary powerful
I deleted mine shortly thereafter. I tried to convince friends and family to do the same but got accusations of being paranoid or a conspiracy theorist. Jump to now, everyone’s Christmas gifts from them this year was tatty bullshit from Temu that was advertised to them on Facebook and I spend most of my time with them dismantling conspiracy theories and misinformation they picked up from the dumbasses they interact with on that fucking site.
That’s when I started refusing to use it. I only still have my account because my family refuses to call when shit happens now and only seem to announce it on facebook. So i check it every 6 months.
I did
I beat it by a year or two. For me it was that every time I would log in, my cousin’s friend would say hi, and I’ve only talked to him like once at a family gathering he was at for some reason. I realized most of my Facebook use was deflecting that person instead of actually talking to friends. I looked into it and thought it was super creepy what Facebook was doing with my data, and realized I was getting nothing for all of that invasion of my privacy, so I bailed.
I had to create an account a few years later (probably around 2016) because I needed to work with some FB employees for a couple weeks, and then I deleted it after that contract.
Since then, I’ve avoided all Meta products.
He’s getting very Trumpy with the orange tint and pale skin around the eyes.
That’s just him using a tanning bed.
Trumps too lazy to even use one.
He needs to slow it down because it's very noticably aging him. Kids, don't bake your skin in cancer rays just for some outdated 80s "bronze" Baywatch look.
Actually, maybe he needs to do even more sessions now that I think about it.
But what if I wanna feel like one of those hip young old folks from the soda commercial?
Usually his eyes are the same color as his skin. So good for him on trying to improve himself.
Other than that he can fuck off lol
Remember kids: wear sunscreen.
www.youtube.com/watch?v=sTJ7AzBIJoI
His warranty is about to expire
I'm somehow more creeped out by the Greatest American Hero hairstyling.
https://www.rottentomatoes.com/tv/the_greatest_american_hero/s01
His eyes have always had that going on.
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I swear I’ve seen this one before…
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It was on that one show, right?
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I just need to convince my relatives to use Signal…
sell it to them as an alternative to calls + sms that’s free when used over wifi. it already uses phone number as id
That’s whatsapp
Yeah it’s pretty cool.
way to miss the point
How did he miss the point? If his family is already using WhatsApp selling the idea that it’s free calling + texting over wifi does nothing. They already have that.
He should be trying to sell privacy but unfortunately not enough people care about it.
WhatsApp is owned by Meta as well
Once these platforms are perceived as a way for people to make a living somehow, they ain’t leaving. That’s why nice places like mastodon stay niche. Without virality, people don’t see the upside for them. They want a grift they can understand.
That is sounding more and more like a benefit to me. Social media that functions as social media for humans and not just another giant corporate surveillance and marketing machine wearing a fun app costume.
I get it, but I also understand people that need to go “this is me, can I have some money?” on social media.
Oh yeah no disagreement there. The way that social media of all types democratizes content creation and celebrity status is great.
For me personally, the YouTube model is great where individuals can basically produce their own TV show or documentaries. But all the other big corporate social media services are meh in comparison. When it comes to interaction rather than consuming, that’s when I love Lemmy.
no fact checking and a ton of bots being added? Sounds like a fantastic place to spend time. /s
I only had to google it because they make it so convoluted to find the delete account button.
justdeleteme.xyz
I don’t care about Facebook, but Messenger and Marketplace I cannot replace them at all for the moment :-/
Instead of market place I use buy nothing, and offer up, and just give to my local goodwill.
There’s a buy nothing app. It’s a free community run organization for local things that started on Facebook then they made an app and website. It’s all give away stuff but I’ve gotten some really nice & expensive stuff off there and given a lot away too. It’s not as active as their Facebook buy nothing groups, but now maybe that will change. I refuse to use Facebook since I watched my mom turn into a crazy conspiracy trump shit person in 2020.
Ive even made friends with a few people through a few exchanges to them over time on buy nothing, like a nice old lady that I give fruit to from my garden and she makes jam out of it and gives me some back
that’s some glorious schadenfreude
zuck just few hours ago: “people who talk about leaving facebook are just virtue signalling”
Super easy, barely an inconvenience. The age of social media needs to die
Why die, though? There are open source and federated alternatives or there.
Doesn’t matter. The whole 'ness of it is bad for humanity.
eh. the format sucks but forum type things would be cool to have again.
Bring back NNTP!
A federated system of discussion groups. That’s such a 90s idea.
The age of social media dying is tight!
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Yeah yeah yeah… yeah
Says dude on social media
This is more like a-social media dawg lol
Give me a break. Since when does the billionaire parasite class have anything to fear from the US establishment?
Since the people in charge went full fascist.
The billionaire parasite class ARE the people in charge.
The fascists serve them, genius. That’s the whole point of fascism.
Yes that’s what we’re Increasingly moving towards.
Beware though, that all of this is a spectrum…
Nope. We’ve been there for a long, long time now. People are only figuring it out now, though.
The (so-called) “political spectrum” becomes perfectly irrelevant once you understand WHY and HOW our political establishments dangle the liberal carrot and the fascist stick before us.
To a degree yes, but the intensity changes. And I know there were times, where there was even greater inequality (e.g. Mansa Musa). Yet it’s not really comparable with the modern world, which largely relies on speculative assets, and growth.
No it doesn’t, fascism is a different level than liberal establishments. Our democracies are far from perfect, but they at least have some form of control by the people, to keep power somewhat in check. Fascism is definitely concentrating on centralizing power, with the tendency to escalate (as obviously seen in the past). Also there are a lot of statistics, which show, that we were in a comparably very peaceful state for some time (since the last world war), but we’re currently getting out of that period again (though still relatively peaceful), into a more autocratic world again unfortunately.
I’m speaking as european, where things are not (yet) that bad. The “democracy” in the USA is definitely less democratic than let’s say scandinavian democracies… And I don’t want to even begin with something like Russia or China.
How many times will the liberal establishments have to blatantly show you what it truly is before you believe them? They’ve been doing it at least since 1919, but it has never been more blatant than now.
Since you’re European, I’d like to know what thought-terminating cliches you use to explain to yourself why Germany’s oh-so-liberal political establishment has co-existed, side-by-side, with a securotocracy that was filled to the brim with Nazi war criminals ever since the end of WW2.
You’d think the oh-so-liberal Global North being exposed red-handed funding yet another colonialist genocide would make a dent in those cliches, but I guess it’s true what the anarchists say… scratch a fascist and a liberal bleeds.
Fascists don’t “concentrate” power - they are HANDED power that has ALREADY been concentrated FOR them. You wanna guess who it is that concentrates it before handing it over to them? Do tell… how has police funding been doing under all these liberal regimes in Europe, eh?
Let me ELI5 it to you so that you cannot claim nobody told you.
The capitalist ruling elite, like all ruling elites throughout history, requires TWO things to stabilize their own power and privilege. They need a way to CO-OPT certain segments of the populace they rule over, and a way to brutally REPRESS those parts they can’t or don’t want to co-opt. Carrot and stick - no need for a fancy poli-sci degree to understand this.
Therefore, the capitalists have developed a POLITICAL wing, which we call “liberalism,” and a REPRESSIVE wing, which we call “fascism.” That is what they have been since the start (ie, long before Mussolini gave fascism a name) - and which one you get depends on how much of a threat the capitalists think you pose to their precious world order.
Fascism and liberalism is joined at the hip - you can’t have one without the other.
After all this text-wall, I’d be interested in your political attitude.
So you agree with me? I didn’t say fascists are concentrating power, but they definitely maintain it (just look at the third Reich and literally all other fascistic states). (And in reality they definitely sought after concentrating power, yet again just look at the history of the third Reich…)
The world is much less black and white as you depict it here. True, all the (liberal) democracies to date have their flaws and at least traces of fascism (unfortunately) growing this time again. I can rant about it all day if I wanted to (but I consider that a waste of time after having wasted too much with that already).
But (true) liberalism is not fascism, say what you want. After all, it’s about being liberal (I don’t consider our late-stage-capitalism liberal btw. capitalism is as we see right now in the US also concentrating power to the rich)…
I consider liberalism closer to anarchism (not the capitalistic kind of course). There are obviously differences, but as being liberal has to do with personal freedom, and anarchism is about being against all forms of authority, it’s per definition closer to that than fascism.
How it’s interpreted is a whole different story. Same with all the “communistic” kinds of states. I don’t think we ever had “real” communism, only authoritarianism with the label of “communism”.
No.
For whom? Who really wins when the fascists leave power? The very same class of people who funded them into power in the first place, perhaps? How are the descendents of the capitalists who funded Nazi Germany and Showa Japan doing these days? How are the corporations doing that coined it during the Pinochet-regime in Chile or the Apartheid-regime in South Africa?
That is perfectly black and white.
At what point was liberalism not colonialist? At what point was it not capitalist? Liberalism created the systems of wealth accumulation and labour exploitation that keeps the (so-called) “1st world” rich… so who do you think they keep around to protect all of this from the people all this wealth and labour was stolen from?
Then you understand neither.
No argument here.
For their unsatisfiable thirst of power?
I mean they only get power because people give it them, but I think it’s still the fascists who spark this process… It’s a little bit of a chicken-egg situation…
Do you really think that our wannabe-Nazi Elon is yet on the same level as Hitler? (It could develop into that, but that’s a big if)
Oh I do as anarchist… As I say the world isn’t as black and white in reality. The goal of these both are similar: freedom. Albeit different definitions and ways to achieve it.
But it’s definitely different than fascism which is mostly centralized oppression… I.e. oppression of freedom.
I’d say it’s basically a wild mix/spectrum of different ideologies in reality.
I’d agree with (I think) at least one thing the general accepted opinion of liberalism (which is basically capitalism) is definitely leaning more towards fascism than say anarchism, but that probably also has to do with that anarchism in reality is not a model that is achievable at least so far, similar with real communism.
So not the liberals (and the capitalists that they truly represent) who can get down to “business as usual” after the fascists brutally repressed the working class for them, eh?
No, it isn’t.
Gustav Krupp, Wilhelm von Opel, Albert Vögler - oh-so-liberal Weimar Germany’s richest and most “respectable.” Would you qualify them as chickens or eggs?
Do you think that Elon will be hurt much if they fine him a measly 15% of his assets, like they did with Hitler-benefactor Fritz Thyssen?
Liberalism’s aim is the freedom of the capitalist, and the indentured servitude of everyone else.
Billionaires or not, they don’t have control of state militaries (yet at least). In fascism, the state is at the top, and corporations bend the knee and become an extension of the government to be used at the whims of its authoritarian leader.
What it ultimately comes down to is power and the capacity for violence. It doesn’t matter how much money you have, if a government can just drone strike your entire family, does it?
Of course they don’t. They don’t need direct control of the military. That’s what their pet political establishment is there for. You know… the political establishment who gets to decide who they will ALLOW you to vote for every four years?
And liberalism differs from that… how?
And what did you think the Military-Industrial Complex was?
You’re not describing anything here that differs from liberalism in any fundamental way. You’re not wrong - I just don’t think you realize the full implications of what it is you are saying.
We’re not talking about the surgeon who lives in the nice part of town and drives a Merc here… we are talking about the capitalist class who controls ALL of our society INCLUDING it’s repression apparatus. And Trump, an incompetent capitalist nepobaby cosplaying as a fascist, needs Zuckerberg far more than Zuckerberg needs Trump. Trump knows it, and the entire US political establishment knows it.
Lol you just said liberalism is the same as fascism… Stopped reading there.
Also helps when you see a user you previously tagged confirming that you were correct the first time.
You don’t want to know why the liberals keep fascists around?
They do say ignorance is bliss - maybe that applies to you.
I’m waiting to see what happens before I make any moves. I’ve been on Meta apps for over a decade, I don’t want to lose the connections if I don’t have to.
How many of those connections would you say are actively maintained instead of just passively there?
Those that are actively maintained you can likely send them something like Signal and start chatting on that instead.
I know this got a lot of downvotes, that’s fine. Most of my friends are not tech-savvy or young, they’re not going to be signing up for Lemmy or Mastodon. I’m not ready to lose touch with them entirely. I have taken steps to limit what info Meta can collect from me and stopped posting there entirely. I check in now and then to see if there’s anything big, but that’s it.
Will never happen. Those platforms literally push addiction. It’s why the fediverse won’t ever compete imo - there’s no dopamine hit here of likes, # of friends, send a snap right now (or whatever they are called), streaks, etc.
I get it. I left Facebook when they changed the feed like a thousand years ago and I haven’t missed it.
My wife is definitely addicted though. She left it for a year, went back just to check in on family after a friend of hers had a baby and she didn’t know about it. She hasn’t put it down since.
She’s a very family oriented person and everyone is on Facebook. Their family is the type to wake up first thing in the morning and start calling each other.
Within minutes of being up, “Ok kids let’s talk to mamaw. Let’s talk to aunty. Now we’re calling great grandma!” Cousins, aunts, uncles, everybody. They’re always talking.
My family is tight like if something goes wrong, but we don’t talk much otherwise. Sister needs help with a bill, someone’s car breaks down, blah blah blah. We can count on each other, just not to talk.
I get why it means so much to her and why it’s been easier for me. I’ll know my cousin had a kid when I bump into her with it at the grocery store. That’s good enough for my people. :p
Edit:
Not that anyone will see this, but we were talking about it tonight and I was dead wrong. She missed her cousins wedding. That’s why she went back, she’s still very sad about it.
i agree with what you’re saying and i think we’re mostly on the same page here. i just felt it would be worth saying that, from my perspective, the point of the fediverse isn’t to compete with those websites but instead to be an alternative to them. it’s to offer a picture of what social media can be like without dark patterns, extreme surveillance, and constant enshittification. and there is a really comfort in that. it feels really nice to not have to worry about a website or app getting worse every time i use it.
i also feel like the people on here tend to behave more thoughtfully (in general) than people on reddit and other for profit social media websites. and it wouldn’t surprise me if that was in part due to the absence of dark patterns making lemmy feel more relaxed and less high stakes. there’s also a bit of a small town feeling on this website that i kind of like too.
And this is exactly the reason I am here 😃
stop upvoting “news” that only ends up giving more visibility to these clowns
I think Facebook is popular enough, that this kind of news is actually damaging…
I don’t want to see this human’s face again.
“human”
unfortunately yes
I’d like to punchasize his face, for free.
We all know that in the end only maybe 1 or 2% max will delete their account
meh its no longer growing.
Exactly this. Wasn’t Netflix going to sink after everyone cancelled when password sharing was banned? But everyone I know just ended up buying extra logins…
I’d delete mine, but I don’t have one for 10 years or smth.
That’s fine. 1% per uberweird news cycle is the death of facebook.
I posted that article on Mastodon. So, yeah…
I hope more people will find that these open source social media sites are much better run. As well, as a much better platform than Facebook, Twitter, Youtube, etc.
Although, I do miss Myspace. The old platform.
I deactivated my Twitter and Facebook accounts weeks ago. I have my friends and family “moved over” to Friendica. They seem to like it so far. I have even posted (on Friendica) a few links of other open source social sites for them to check out.
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I’m so happy to be here and read about Zuck, Elon and Google all the time
Meta did not end fact checking.
Meta switched to a system of community notes, which is superior at fact checking than a centralized team of fact checkers.
So community notes can address more instances of misinformation, that part is true.
But if the community provides misinformation as the “note” then it can actually spread and legitimize misinformation.
So superior is definitely the wrong word for it. Perhaps more efficient? But also more likely to reinforce echo chambers.
Superior would be implementing community notes and then having those checked by centralized fact checkers.
Thats the nifty part, for centralized fact-checkers we just use LLMs!
“fact”-checkers… This is probably a good prefilter, but definitely one of the few (or rather many) things that LLMs are pretty bad in…
So that is 51 times higher than usual? Am I mathing that correctly?
I wish stories like this wouldn’t use percentages this way, and reported hard actual numbers to compare against.
Yeah so if it was 100 queries per day before, its now 5100 per day. Or maybe we are both crazy.
And those are real users too. They are intching closer and close to just being a bot hellscape.
Yeah,
Honestly I prefer just writing “51 times more frequent”.
So true… When I see 100% more, I interpret it as 2x. But somewhere around, idk, maybe 300% I interpret “300% more” as 3x. I know that’s technically not correct, but it’s just where my brain goes. I think a good deal of people just throw around “n% more” and “n% as often” interchangeably without much thought.
Luckily, the bigger the number the less of a difference between the two which is aligned with my brain using them the same.
(And obviously, if it’s anything technical where it matters I would get clarification.)
he’s replacing it with community notes, which is a good thing. the problem i have with Facebook and Instagram is all the useless junk videos that i didn’t ask for and it keeps showing me
Since Facebook market place is the defacto classified now I keep my account around to buy and sell. My feed is full of AI generated images related to anything I search on market place. Right now it is all trucks because I was looking for truck tires.
i keep seeing dirtbikes climbing hills and fair enough ok
Community note: this guy smells and is wrong.
they don’t usually happen that way
Community saw this as a potential note and agreed that it isn’t provably true and doesn’t contribute to the post. Rejected and it won’t be shown.
If you think this method doesn’t work I have an entire Wikipedia to show you.
How quickly would wiki tank if the bad faith actors outnumbered the good?
And have you SEEN Facebook?
The bad faith actors used to outnumber the good. That’s why Wikipedia’s reputation has never recovered, and they’ve never been able to beat the allegations. However, Wikipedia fixed what was wrong with their system of citing and verifying information contributed by others years ago. And X’s Community Notes system has a similar mechanism in place that has proven to be equally as effective and verifiable.
Just because they are calling it community notes doesnt mean that Facebooks notes would work the same way as Xitters notes.
I have no clue why anyone takes this seriously or is concerned about this. I have seen maybe three fact-checks during my lifetime on Facebook. That was a long long time ago. I disagreed with two of them and I am not sure if the third one said anything interesting.
Is there a population somewhere I am not aware of, who believes everything they see on Facebook, who will now be ruined by this change?
The usual suspects of Gen Boomer and X that first preached to not believe anything on the internet and yet doing exactly that without an external fact check.
Personally for stuff I don’t really care, I will always say “Allegedly (…)” before stating something a website says. If the stuff is important (to me or a peer) I might look harder into it.
I dont think fact checking was the main reason, moreso that they decided to allow hate speech (e.g. They’re allowing targetted hate against LGBT groups).
Never seen FB disallow fake news or hate speech as long as it is coming from the (extreme) right.
Either they just stop pretending now or irl somehow get even worse?
They censored certain phrases and words, which they plan on no longer enforcing. I agree that they leave hate speech on the platform (reports rarely do anything) but the looser restrictions mean people can post even more hateful content and that paves the way for discrimatory ideologies
The anonymous fact-checking is the main thing PEOPLE took issue with. Like, oh I’m supposed to believe your anonymous fact-checkers know better than me or my trusted sources on what’s true/false, but you refuse to identify or provide the credentials of those fact-checkers, so their integrity and validity can be certified?
But it’s not the anonymous strangers arbitrarily sifting the wheat from the chaff willy nilly, and with no evidence to support their claims, that were the problem /s. , The problem was CLEARLY the people who took issue with an anonymous rando who has the power to declare a reputable source of info is lying, can not be disputed on that front (even in the many instances of them being wrong), and whose credentials can not be verified but is still supposed to be arbitrarily accepted as the supreme arbiter of reality and fiction.
Bought and paid for by a soulless corporation. I’ll take “extreme dought” for $500. I was more likely to believe in Santa Clause than an anonymous figure who had no credentials or checks and balances of any kind.
Dropped Facebook completely in 2018 my mental health was much better for it
Just look at the Proton situation - there will always be soyflakes who will wanna protest even the smallest things that don’t fit their agenda.
Relevant username.
huh
Don’t worry about it
alr junky
Cousin that is called voting with your wallet
A valid argument, and a practice that should absolutely be encouraged in and of itself. When it comes to cancel Culture, and weaponizing hearsay and defamation to try to actively sabotage an entire company or a person without evidence or due process, that’s one thing I think has gotten out of hand. But the practice of voting with your wallet is your right, healthy for our economy and the businesses that contribute to it, and is not inherently predatory or antagonistic, unlike what Cancel Culture has become.
I am now scheduled for deletion.
i worry about (future, AI enhanced) impersonation attempts so I just keep it secure and don’t post anything.
I don’t. Everyone I know knows I don’t use any Meta products, so it would have limited impact.
my grandma is still alive, some other family as well. with AI voice cloning and things i just foresee a lot of negative possibilities. maybe in another decade nobody i know would be on those places as well, hopefully there is some alternative for keeping up with family and old colleagues etc.
What about regular calls and visits? People don’t seem to have genuine conversations on SM like they do in person or on the phone.
unfortunately can’t jet across the country regularly, as much as i might wish. and sometimes calls happen over (guess what) fb messenger. not everything is a conversation, but meta products cover a lot of ground beyond status updates at this point.
They do, but is that actually helping build your relationship? Or does it make you feel like you’re more connected than you are and justify calling/visiting a bit less?
It’s silly they don’t just delete it instead they make you wait…
It’s so they can back your shit up probably lol
No, it’s so they can cancel the deletion if you “change your mind” (read: interact with it in any way).
Yeah, they know you’re addicted, and won’t let you cut yourself off
I’ve never had even a single Facebook account, to explain why it’s because the UK police once tried to stitch me up and they kept demanding my Facebook account (presumably to fish) I never had one but they would not let that go.
Once I got representation that line of questioning ended but holy hell did they seem to put a lot of emphasis on my non existent Facebook account.
For the curious I was raided due to an anonymous phone (to the mayor’s office) call that claimed I was going to shoot up my workplace or something ridiculous.
My belief is the police wanted to impress the mayor so they just wouldn’t let it go despite being nonsense until I paid representation to make them behave.
This is actually crazy, on the part of the UK police. I knew the UK government are more like that nosy old granny with binoculars than we have it in the States when it comes to stuff like Facebook and etc, but damn. I will allow that school shooting threats are serious, but in and of itself, actively trying to interrogate someone and demanding their SNS is a new level of invasive imo.
i’m so tired of nothingburger feel good ‘stories’ about search trends
this really is just reddit lite
Eh, it goes harder in some of the bad things about Reddit, but it’s better in others. So it’s less “Reddit lite” and more discount Reddit.