Between this, the tarrifs and the brain drain, why would any manufacturers consider operating in the US anymore?
WhatAmLemmy@lemmy.world
on 23 May 10:42
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They’ll still want access to Americans coz there are profits to be had, and they can price gouge under a fascist kleptocracy many orders of magnitude harder than elsewhere.
What they don’t understand is that the fascist leadership will backstab many/most of them eventually, especially if they possess any moral fiber whatsoever. Luckily for them, capitalism has already purged corporate leadership of morality and ethics.
kruhmaster@sh.itjust.works
on 23 May 12:15
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But if we don’t have as much money due to increased prices on life essentials and assistance cuts, how are we supposed to buy all these things? Bad logic on their part, if this is their approach.
Nah you pretty much established the death cult in 2020. The first hundred days of this in administration you went about doing the most harm to the world that you possibly could in order to save a couple pennies to give back to rich people. The Republican Party is a death cult. Everyone obsessed with some nuanced return to slavery, ending healthcare, and poisoning everything you can. For a smol profitorino
Bakkoda@sh.itjust.works
on 23 May 11:01
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There’s no real push for that to happen. This is about crashing an economy, stealing wealth and creating a a massive almost slave labor class at the bottom.
FreedomAdvocate@lemmy.net.au
on 23 May 14:58
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So it’s about communism? No the other guys wanted that.
Which other guys? The couple thousand people who voted third party because they didn’t view Harris as an acceptable compromise between fascism and humanity?
If you had ever done a modest amount of the hard, actual, honest work of examining positions other than the standard one issued by your government, you would already be asking better, more interesting questions. You think that’s the only one you need to ask, don’t you?
I know you haven’t put the work in, because I have. I don’t owe you a debate. I doubt you have ever even changed your mind. So why should I give you the fruits of my labor? They wrote books, after all. Have you got the guts to read them?
Every single time, you claimed. Cite your sources. Do the work or fuck off, lazy-ass.
FreedomAdvocate@lemmy.net.au
on 24 May 14:23
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My sources are every single time communism has been attempted by a country lol.
Can you provide an example where it has worked and hasn’t resulted in extreme wealth inequality and a rich ruling class and slave-level working class?
FreedomAdvocate@lemmy.net.au
on 25 May 03:29
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It’s “not good enough” for someone that wants to pretend communism works, while being unable to give a single example of a country where it has worked lol.
My evidence of communism ending in extreme wealth inequality and a ruling class is every single time any country has attempted communism. There are zero communist countries that don’t have extreme wealth inequality and a wealthy ruling class. That’s my evidence. You haven’t, and seemingly can’t, provide any contrary evidence.
Again - which communist countries don’t have extreme wealth inequality and a ruling class?
It’s not good enough to get me interested discussing it further with you. You just keep repeating the same dumb, boring question. You think it’s a gotcha, but you haven’t thought about it even slightly.
FreedomAdvocate@lemmy.net.au
on 25 May 04:50
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I keep repeating it because you keep avoiding answering it, because you don’t like the answer.
I don’t care. You can have that last word you so desperately crave.
FreedomAdvocate@lemmy.net.au
on 25 May 05:05
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Still waiting on that answer. I hope it’s coming soon.
frog_brawler@lemmy.world
on 24 May 04:40
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Sounds like US capitalism in 2025… tax the poor (slave class) to give more money to the rich.
TronBronson@lemmy.world
on 24 May 10:20
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Yea I’ll share some down votes. I was laughing because the president was just threatening an American company yesterday, telling it how to operate. Telling it where to operate. Like isn’t this what they screeched legendary communist Obama would do? We just switched to a centralized planned economy over night. Welcome to USSR2
Remember the slaves with 12+ public holidays a year, 20+ vacation days, free healthcare, free education, free child care and price controls for rent and food and no billionaires and job security?
FreedomAdvocate@lemmy.net.au
on 25 May 07:21
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East Germany and pretty much all other eastern block countries till ~1990.
FreedomAdvocate@lemmy.net.au
on 25 May 22:24
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So they’re still communist countries? No? Why not? Sounds like it was a utopia.
FreedomAdvocate@lemmy.net.au
on 23 May 14:54
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Why would any manufacturer want access to the biggest market in the world? Hmmm let me think about that……
Fisch@discuss.tchncs.de
on 23 May 10:06
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How would that even work? But aside from that, I should probably upgrade my GPU before this goes into effect, even if the GPU I want will probably not be affected.
Kyrgizion@lemmy.world
on 23 May 10:11
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Just did the same. My pc was 7 years old. This may be my final ever upgrade.
I’d back up as many versions of the drivers as well (different oses, different releases). I feel like this will be implemented drm style with forced network connections baked in the drivers
Fisch@discuss.tchncs.de
on 23 May 12:13
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Yeah, that’s the only way I can see this work. I use Linux with the Mesa drivers, that are part of the kernel, anyway, so there’s not really a need for me to make driver backups.
WhyJiffie@sh.itjust.works
on 23 May 22:57
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and not just through the american archive.org.
but I wpuld say if you can’t hold all the driver files yourself, keeping a list of sha256 hashes or better of them could be worth it too, to later verify their authenticity if you find it somewhere. its also easier to search by hash sometimes
Zwuzelmaus@feddit.org
on 23 May 10:11
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Why would they make their own products illegal in Europe?
GrumpyDuckling@sh.itjust.works
on 23 May 10:18
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People will just make custom firmware and drivers.
…okay, so invest in Chinese GPU companies? Invest in Chinese GPU companies.
ShinkanTrain@lemmy.ml
on 23 May 12:15
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I looked into those recently, actually expected the GPUs to be a lot farther behind than they are. The things that are really pushing them back are the drivers and the outdated process node, but there are already GPUs comparable to the lower end current generation cards from the 3 big manufacturers on paper (and even those have 16GB of VRAM, Nvidia 😤).
FreedomAdvocate@lemmy.net.au
on 23 May 15:02
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They’re a loooooong way off being able to match any nvida card from the last like 7 years, at least.
right and this is a public message board in which multiple people can carry on a conversation
FreedomAdvocate@lemmy.net.au
on 25 May 03:27
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Sure, but when you jump in the middle of another 2 people’s conversation to say you disagree, it’s not up to the other people to automatically know that you’re actually disagreeing with something different to what they’re discussing lol
that is literally what you’re discussing… they never said anything about gaming: they just said GPUs… just admit you made an assumption mate
FreedomAdvocate@lemmy.net.au
on 25 May 03:36
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Nvidia AI gpu’s don’t have <16GB of RAM. They have 48+. Some have over 180GB. They were talking about desktop GPUs, the RTX series. It makes no sense to congratulate Chinese GPU makers for having 16GB of RAM and being angry at Nvidia for having 188GB - not a typo, they have one hundred and eighty-eight GB of RAM - like their H100 NVL.
The <16GB complaint is a common and long standing complaint about their desktop GPUs.
and VRAM limitations almost certainly don’t apply to chinese GPUs: the process node is the only limitation in chinas manufacturing capability
i would absolutely not be surprised if they have a 256GB+ card that is equal to an 8yo nvidia/amd card at 1/5th the price and just dump more in… for the same reason that GPUs are better than CPUs for models, many GPUs is better than a single fast GPU
and that’s still only barely relevant because as i said previously, workstation GPUs etc don’t need that - there are plenty of workloads that fit the bill for a card from 8 years ago, and they never mentioned anything about large cards or ML workloads or gaming
FreedomAdvocate@lemmy.net.au
on 25 May 03:46
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They specifically pointed out that Nvidia GPUs have less than 16GB of RAM on their lower and mid end cards. They’re talking about desktop cards, clearly, because this is only a complaint about desktop cards as I just pointed out. Is 188GB less than 16GB? No.
You jumped into the middle of someone else’s conversation and misunderstood what was being discussed. Take the L and move along.
They specifically pointed out that Nvidia GPUs have less than 16GB of RAM on their lower and mid end cards
… as a bracket at the end of their comment indicating their distaste for nvidias shitty practices
you always argue in bad faith, and whilst downvotes don’t “mean” anything, they do prove at the very least something you’re doing or saying is not likeable… take that on board, adjust your tone, admit when you’re wrong (which is most of the time)
FreedomAdvocate@lemmy.net.au
on 25 May 04:01
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And why would that shitty practice be relevant in this discussion? Because they were talking about desktop gpus.
Take your own advice. You’re bringing up downvotes to try and support your mistake - that’s an obviously bad faith argument. The irony of what you’re saying is astounding.
The image of China as an uncreative, uneducated backwards nation of drones good only for assembling phones, hasn’t been the reality for at least a decade.
A lot of people in the West don’t realize this because to this day there’s a vicious cycle of people only import cheap Chinese crap because China has a reputation for only making cheap crap because people only import the cheap crap. They don’t realize that China is also making top tier products, because nobody’s trying to import top tier Chinese products.
AMD is awesome ^^ they’ll rule the land of x86 for quire some while imho. But the problem of supporting hegemony is obvious.
AMDs upcoming GPUs are purportedly on par with NVIDIAs Maxwell, but as long as the prices are the same, we’re in the same boat.
Luckily the prices have been falling, largely because NPUs are replacing GPUs as the primary handler of AI workloads - since it’s more performative and saves on electricity costs.
But, in a “free market” competition mui importante.
Chee_Koala@lemmy.world
on 23 May 10:54
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Thanks but no thanks!
jubilationtcornpone@sh.itjust.works
on 23 May 10:56
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When Americans were supporting ISIS we look at them like they are crazy, but when they are supporting the confederacy, we give them high up political posts.
YiddishMcSquidish@lemmy.today
on 23 May 21:19
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Also lied about being a ranger. Stolen valor anyone?
NoForwardslashS@sopuli.xyz
on 23 May 11:13
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This will surely complete the final step of the master plan - the world craves those superior American made goods.
I can't imagine this would be effective at all. Assuming it uses GPS, big datacenters could simply spoof the GPS signal, and consumers could block the GPU from receiving the signal (a fully metal PC case is almost a Faraday cage already).
WhyJiffie@sh.itjust.works
on 23 May 22:54
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not just that. but GPS is one way communication. how will it call home to HQ?
Ah yes let’s try to stifle Chinese innovation by … checks notes … expanding our surveillance state. Usually we are the ones calling China a surveillance state, but it’s fine(it’s not) once we do it.
Imgonnatrythis@sh.itjust.works
on 23 May 12:24
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There is nothing more American than hipocracy my friend
For just $19.99 a month you can have us track your GPU*, or choose the premium ad-free upgrade for just $149.99 a months, so you can enjoy your favorite games without ad breakes.
Once China takes the semiconductor crown, the US isn’t getting it back.
Glad I get to be alive to witness communism beat capitalism. While the US ruling class wastes its money on dumb shit like “space tourism,” the Chinese ruling class has been investing vehemently into its own populace.
FreedomAdvocate@lemmy.net.au
on 23 May 14:53
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I’m intrigued……
Why and how do you think China will take the semiconductor crown?
in what way will communism “beat” capitalism?
You think China has been investing in its own people? The wealth gap in China between the 1% and the rest is enormous and growing - that’s how all communism ends up lol. Chinas ruling class treat the rest of the population like garbage.
cows_are_underrated@feddit.org
on 23 May 15:04
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that’s how all communism ends up lol.
You do know, that China is a capitalistic country labeling themselves as communist?
The PRC is also quickly catching up in semiconductors, and they actually build infrastructure, unlike the US. Sure, they have a massive wealth disparity and very obviously aren’t communist, but they’re doing a few things right.
pineapplelover@lemm.ee
on 24 May 04:18
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Yeah China is actually insane. They’re growing like exponentially and we’re over here at crawling progress
So China has a smaller percentage of its population below 10k USD net worth despite having a 45% lower cost of living? That’s a pretty big difference in the number of people who can live comfortably. I’m willing to sacrifice people’s ability to be ludicrously rich for that.
And yet most americans think chinese people live in dirt huts wearing rags, and are forced into slave labor. I wonder if there will ever be a time when politicians stop lieing for their country.
SharkAttak@kbin.melroy.org
on 23 May 20:08
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And of course the miraculous Chinese GPUs won't have any tracking inside, none at all!
WhyJiffie@sh.itjust.works
on 23 May 22:59
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just like their smartphones and networking devices, right?
SharkAttak@kbin.melroy.org
on 25 May 12:09
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Nah you can keep your Oppos and Huawei routers.
RoidingOldMan@lemmy.world
on 23 May 14:38
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This is absolutely insane and no one will want to buy those GPUs.
Adversaries who are being treated to lower tarriffs than allies.
Cooked country.
NGC2346@sh.itjust.works
on 23 May 23:19
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How is this even legal? I am not even american nor living there, so how would the US be allowed to operate massive and unregulated surveillance through GPUs ?
The US is becoming worse than those they call villain.
If you’re in Europe I’m pretty sure those chips would violate the hell out of the GDPR and as such can’t be sold there.
Even then, as posted in a different too level comment, this is just too easy to fake, or block.
It’s an idiot law for idiots
twice_hatch@midwest.social
on 24 May 01:11
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The US has very low engagement of its voters, so even things that are illegal are starting to happen regularly.
It’s the same as so many countries, once a few rich guys get into power, as long as the guys with guns will take their money, it doesn’t really matter what want, the government gets captured and corrupted.
There’s ways to fight it but it’s a slog. I might give up. It’s not my job to fix it, fixing things doesn’t pay.
Basically yes. That’s why Fox News is such an important instrument to the movement. They get their voters primed up and angry all year. They came out and voted against trans people in bathrooms and they are okay to suffer if that is achieved
eugenevdebs@lemmy.dbzer0.com
on 25 May 02:02
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How is this even legal?
That’s the neat part, if it isn’t no one will enforce it or protect you.
Yeah that is fun and all but I can at least guarantee you that that shit won’t fly in Europe, and likely neither in Canada. I can only imagine other countries will be penning their own laws outlawing this.
So tech giants then have the option to either go for separate chipsets for those countries or stip selling there.
Also, how do you want to implement this? Have the GPU request GPS data from the computer? That won’t be hard to forgr., but let’s say you ge that, then what?
You need to send that info somewhere or it’ll be useless. How? Over the Internet? Ahw, my firewall told you to go fuck yourself. Over its own GPS line? A little bit of aluminum foil can do miracles.
So what are you going to do then? Require an active internet connection for your GPU to work? Bwhahahahha. Have you seen gamers responses to games that require active internet connections to play? You won’t sell shit.
This is again a law designed by absolutely.emoty headed idiots tompleae some other empty headed idiots.
why dont they just ask huwei to give them some spying tech.
andybytes@programming.dev
on 24 May 05:07
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I knew this shit was coming so I just… I got contingencies bruh. I ain’t buying that nonsense and I don’t give a fuck about video games no more so eat a dick. If I have to strip down naked and pull every goddamn microchip out of my ass, that these fuckers want to put there, then I will. I refuse. Not only that, I mean, don’t you as a company owner find this to be somewhat concerning, especially if you know about like, I don’t know, hierarchical systems? Like sure, you’re in charge of a small group of people with someone in charge of you. Are we headed to “our great leader territory”? I’ll just have a reductionist strategy. Less is more. What I see at the end of the day is goofballs wishing for something to be, but not implementing it or implementing it in a limp dick fashion, which actually leaves us in a worse off position.
andybytes@programming.dev
on 24 May 05:13
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Capitalism is a system of whores. And there’s nothing wrong with whores, but a whore is a whore. Good luck. It’s going to be like trying to hold a bar of soap that’s slipping out of your hands. You can keep grabbing at it, but it’s just going to keep slipping.
I just recall when America leaked nuclear secrets because soldiers were using a private private flashcard program and they forgot to check mark the box that said private. And so they ended up leaking all these secrets all over the internet.
And let’s not forget. The open source information that was used from some snot-nosed person on an osint account on twitter for targeting a supposed underground base, that cost the lives of innocent civilians via the Palantir and Peter Thiel’s stupid AI. They did not get an underground base. They just wasted millions of dollars on something that wasn’t there.
It’s like their plans are dystopic and terrifying, but they’re not going to be able to implement them in a way that’s worth a damn. And also, their actual product that they produce is so stupid that it’s even more terrifying than the original idea. It’s just straight up fucking madness. It’s like, look mom, no hands. Then you fall off the goddamn bike and you’re sitting there crying.
This still remains. There is so much corruption and greed in this country that we can’t even function as an empire. We can’t even get a chip’s factory figured out. We don’t make shit. Everybody in this country is so goddamn lazy and stupid. I can’t even find a noble cause because I feel like I’m just enabling stupid people. I’m sure we just operate off of bare necessities. Like the need to just stay alive one more day. But it gets to the point where it’s like, what’s the fucking point? This country is nonsensical. It’s absurd. It’s laughable. It’s weak. It’s limp dicked. And this happened way before Joe Biden or Trump. This has been a continuation ever since I’ve been alive for 40 fucking dumb ass years.
Your comment feels like “a honest black person can be a good nigga, no wrong with that, but if hes not nice he’s a ***** nigga” IDK you just sound bad as hell.
It’s probably the word ‘whore’. Similar to ‘cunt’, it hits a little different from ‘prostitute’ or ‘pussy’.
Culturally, ‘whore’ is an acceptable word for me to use. Any permutation of the N word is not.
I’ve spent a fair amount of time among drag queens(not necessarily sex workers but there is overlap), strippers, prostitutes and crack whores. Most of them are decent folks in hard times. It is rare that people willingly choose sex work, instead, it’s usually desperation and addiction. A desperate population does desperate things like petty crime.
Everything you say feels A-ok (except you americans have a weird way forbidding words) but I think you missed my point. Whore is a way more loaded word than cunt, and in many ways, it’s not just an insult but also misogynist and so on, if used as an insult. So you can throw it around when it isn’t (my little cookie whore! or something I guess) but you can’t balance that off with the insult part, because it’s just too raw and bad IMO.
Whore isn’t really gendered? There are more female whores than male whores in sex work but there are more male whores in politics than female. It is an insult about submission and service with a sexual connotation.
I think you’re seeing a difference in cultural weighting of common profanity. I’m from the deep south of the US.
I’m used to cunt being considered more offensive than whore. Whore is a milder obscenity than fuck, shit, or cunt. It is similar to slut, dick, or piss.
SomeRandomNoob@discuss.tchncs.de
on 24 May 09:21
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And how do they plan to do this? even if they add (GPS) tracking hardware the Chinese will just cut the connection to the Antenna and the GPU is gone. If they do it in software (like driver) it will just be patched out.
Nvidia, Intel, and AMD are all American companies. Yes, their GPUs are manufactured by TSMC in Taiwan but they just follow the designs given to them. The layout of these GPUs and the architecture of the chips are all designed and controlled by these American corporations.
So why are they made in Taiwan then? Why not make them in america?
MrScottyTay@sh.itjust.works
on 24 May 10:24
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Why do gpus need geo tracking? They’re usually pretty stationary right?
Mic_Check_One_Two@reddthat.com
on 24 May 15:33
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Because China supposedly used Nvidia cards to train DeepSeek, which blew all of the US AI out of the water. And apparently that raised some eyebrows, because Nvidia wasn’t supposed to be selling to China (free market, right?). Since China was eating big tech’s lunch, they cried to republicans (and gave them a bunch of reelection money) and now we have this bill. The point is to be able to remotely disable cards if they’re outside of their sale region.
The first and central provision of the bill is the requirement for tracking technology to be embedded in any high-end processor module or device that falls under the U.S. export restrictions.
As a coder with some hardware awareness, I find the concept laughable.
How does he think they (read: the Taiwanese, if they are willing to) would go about doing it?
Add a GPS receiver onto every GPU? Add an inertial navigation module to every GPU? Add a radio to every GPU? :D
The poor politician needs a technically competent advisor forced on him. To make him aware (preferably in the most blunt way) of real possibilities in the real world.
In the real world, you can prevent a chip from knowing where it’s running and you can’t add random shit onto a chip, and if someone does, you can stop buying bugged hardware or prevent that random addition from getting a reading.
AMD & Nvidia are American companies, for better or worse. The Taiwanese just make the chips, they don’t actually decide what they look like…
Add a GPS receiver onto every GPU? Add an inertial navigation module to every GPU? Add a radio to every GPU? :D
if it’s possible, which I agree with you, is highly unlikely, i’d assume it’d be something like html canvas fingerprinting. Rather than adding more stuff to the gpu, the gpu could be made to generate a specific fingerprint. I recon it’d be a very easy task for the hardware vendors.
Heck, there might be other ways we don’t even know yet, kinda like the glowy ethernet port. I could see that working very easily in conjunction to the GPU.
In the real world, you can prevent a chip from knowing where it’s running and you can’t add random shit onto a chip, and if someone does, you can stop buying bugged hardware or prevent that random addition from getting a reading.
I’m already familiar with it. On the systems I buy and intall, if they are Intel based, ME gets disabled since I haven’t found a reasonable use for it.
Oh yeah, ARM also has something similar.
Since this is more relevant to me (numerically, most of the systems that I install are Raspberry Pi based robots), I’m happy to announce that TrustZone is not supported on Pi 4 (I haven’t checked about other models). I haven’t tested, however - don’t trust my word.
Who would you buy from in this case?
From the Raspberry Pi Foundation, who are doubtless ordering silicon from TSMC for the Pico series and ready-made CPUs for their bigger products, and various other services from other companies. If they didn’t exist, I would likely fall back on RockChip based products from China.
I didn’t know you could disable it. I figured it was very impractical or near impossible to do. how did you do it?
Raspberry Pi Foundation
I’m not going to lie, raspberry pis are a good candidate for a desktop but they’re still very underpowered compared to modern computers. That’s my only critcism. But yes, i’m not sure if there’s any spookware on any of the raspberry pis.
In the BIOS options of that specific server (nothing fancy, a generic Dell with some Xeon processor) the option to enable/disable ME was just plainly offered.
Chipset features > Intel AMT (active management technology) > disable (or something similar, my memory is a bit fuzzy). I researched the option, got worried about the outcomes if someone learned to exploit it, and made it a policy of turning it off. It was about 2 years ago.
P.S.
I’m sure there exist tools for the really security-conscious folks to verify whether ME has become disabled, but I was installing a boring warehouse system, so I didn’t check.
PresidentCamacho@lemm.ee
on 25 May 08:02
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If politicians had advisors then how would they justify doing the dumb shit their owners want them to, then they can’t plead ignorance.
BigDanishGuy@sh.itjust.works
on 25 May 17:36
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How about locking all the advanced functions behind a hardware lock that requires an online key to unlock? Besides getting an IP address for geolocation, this approach would enable manufacturers to put a subscription on the features as well. Require users to provide a government issued ID that matches the name on the credit card used.
VPN! I hear you cry. But the driver is already running pretty close to the hardware, so good luck hiding a VPN client.
So while you can’t guarantee a street address accuracy, you can get country and overall regional subdivision.
threaded - newest
That’s some weird shit
Fascists are weird little guys. There is a podcast about that, it’s true.
Between this, the tarrifs and the brain drain, why would any manufacturers consider operating in the US anymore?
They’ll still want access to Americans coz there are profits to be had, and they can price gouge under a fascist kleptocracy many orders of magnitude harder than elsewhere.
What they don’t understand is that the fascist leadership will backstab many/most of them eventually, especially if they possess any moral fiber whatsoever. Luckily for them, capitalism has already purged corporate leadership of morality and ethics.
But if we don’t have as much money due to increased prices on life essentials and assistance cuts, how are we supposed to buy all these things? Bad logic on their part, if this is their approach.
There is no bottom. They’ll continue crushing the working class all the way to slavery and feudalism.
Stop expecting logic. MAGA and fascism is a severely psychotic mental illness that is empirically a dead end. A death cult.
schizo
Nah you pretty much established the death cult in 2020. The first hundred days of this in administration you went about doing the most harm to the world that you possibly could in order to save a couple pennies to give back to rich people. The Republican Party is a death cult. Everyone obsessed with some nuanced return to slavery, ending healthcare, and poisoning everything you can. For a smol profitorino
i wish you were wrong so fuckin bad :(
There’s no real push for that to happen. This is about crashing an economy, stealing wealth and creating a a massive almost slave labor class at the bottom.
So it’s about communism? No the other guys wanted that.
Which other guys? The couple thousand people who voted third party because they didn’t view Harris as an acceptable compromise between fascism and humanity?
Communism is exactly the opposite of that. You’re thinking of late stage capitalism.
Stealing wealth and creating a slave class is what happens in communism. Every. Single. Time.
Somebody needs to learn to use Wikipedia.
Someone needs to learn not to blindly believe Wikipedia.
Which communist countries/states is this not the case btw?
Somebody needs to learn not to blindly believe a century of capitalist propaganda. At least Wikipedia cites sources.
You made the claim. You said every single time. Citation required.
Which communist countries aren’t like I said? I’m saying they all are. If you disagree, name one that isn’t.
Which communist countries have an even distribution of wealth and no ruling class?
Nope… you make the claim, you present the evidence to back your claim or you fuck right off back to Reddit.
My evidence is literally every time throughout history that any country has gone communist.
You just have to show me one time when it hasn’t happened.
If you had ever done a modest amount of the hard, actual, honest work of examining positions other than the standard one issued by your government, you would already be asking better, more interesting questions. You think that’s the only one you need to ask, don’t you?
I know you haven’t put the work in, because I have. I don’t owe you a debate. I doubt you have ever even changed your mind. So why should I give you the fruits of my labor? They wrote books, after all. Have you got the guts to read them?
Every single time, you claimed. Cite your sources. Do the work or fuck off, lazy-ass.
My sources are every single time communism has been attempted by a country lol.
Can you provide an example where it has worked and hasn’t resulted in extreme wealth inequality and a rich ruling class and slave-level working class?
Not good enough. You haven’t even wondered why.
It’s “not good enough” for someone that wants to pretend communism works, while being unable to give a single example of a country where it has worked lol.
My evidence of communism ending in extreme wealth inequality and a ruling class is every single time any country has attempted communism. There are zero communist countries that don’t have extreme wealth inequality and a wealthy ruling class. That’s my evidence. You haven’t, and seemingly can’t, provide any contrary evidence.
Again - which communist countries don’t have extreme wealth inequality and a ruling class?
It’s not good enough to get me interested discussing it further with you. You just keep repeating the same dumb, boring question. You think it’s a gotcha, but you haven’t thought about it even slightly.
I keep repeating it because you keep avoiding answering it, because you don’t like the answer.
I don’t care. You can have that last word you so desperately crave.
Still waiting on that answer. I hope it’s coming soon.
Sounds like US capitalism in 2025… tax the poor (slave class) to give more money to the rich.
Yea I’ll share some down votes. I was laughing because the president was just threatening an American company yesterday, telling it how to operate. Telling it where to operate. Like isn’t this what they screeched legendary communist Obama would do? We just switched to a centralized planned economy over night. Welcome to USSR2
Remember the slaves with 12+ public holidays a year, 20+ vacation days, free healthcare, free education, free child care and price controls for rent and food and no billionaires and job security?
Where?
East Germany and pretty much all other eastern block countries till ~1990.
So they’re still communist countries? No? Why not? Sounds like it was a utopia.
Why would any manufacturer want access to the biggest market in the world? Hmmm let me think about that……
How would that even work? But aside from that, I should probably upgrade my GPU before this goes into effect, even if the GPU I want will probably not be affected.
Just did the same. My pc was 7 years old. This may be my final ever upgrade.
I’d back up as many versions of the drivers as well (different oses, different releases). I feel like this will be implemented drm style with forced network connections baked in the drivers
Yeah, that’s the only way I can see this work. I use Linux with the Mesa drivers, that are part of the kernel, anyway, so there’s not really a need for me to make driver backups.
Believe it or not, straight to CECOT.
and not just through the american archive.org.
but I wpuld say if you can’t hold all the driver files yourself, keeping a list of sha256 hashes or better of them could be worth it too, to later verify their authenticity if you find it somewhere. its also easier to search by hash sometimes
Why would they make their own products illegal in Europe?
People will just make custom firmware and drivers.
It would be wonderful if this pushes develpment of noveau drivers. But i don’t get my hopes up…
Or desolder the gps module
INB4 the US outlaws Free Software drivers and mandates DRM and locked firmware in all new PCs.
…okay, so invest in Chinese GPU companies? Invest in Chinese GPU companies.
I looked into those recently, actually expected the GPUs to be a lot farther behind than they are. The things that are really pushing them back are the drivers and the outdated process node, but there are already GPUs comparable to the lower end current generation cards from the 3 big manufacturers on paper (and even those have 16GB of VRAM, Nvidia 😤).
They’re a loooooong way off being able to match any nvida card from the last like 7 years, at least.
You have been dead wrong with every reply. Why are you still trying?
I have him tagged. I see him everywhere, and continues to be wrong all the time. No idea why she even spends her time doing this.
Aww cute. Rent free.
Where are these Chinese GPUs with anything that can match DLSS and any RTX card?
DLSS and RTX are not why these bans are happening bud
Who said they are? What an odd thing to say.
I said that theyre Chinese GPUs cant even match any RTX cards or DLSS. Where did I say they were banned because of that?
the entire topic is an article about geo tracking cards to avoid china getting around bans, and the larger context of that is AI; not gaming
DLSS is entirely off-topic and irrelevant to workloads other than games, and thus the discussion here
The person I replied to is specifically talking about consumer gaming gpus.
no, they are not
They definitely are, unless you think that they’re saying that nvidias big boy AI gpus come with less than 16GB of RAM.
i’m saying that 8gb GPUs are still useful as workload accelerators in workstations etc
Cool, you’re not the original person I replied to.
right and this is a public message board in which multiple people can carry on a conversation
Sure, but when you jump in the middle of another 2 people’s conversation to say you disagree, it’s not up to the other people to automatically know that you’re actually disagreeing with something different to what they’re discussing lol
that is literally what you’re discussing… they never said anything about gaming: they just said GPUs… just admit you made an assumption mate
Nvidia AI gpu’s don’t have <16GB of RAM. They have 48+. Some have over 180GB. They were talking about desktop GPUs, the RTX series. It makes no sense to congratulate Chinese GPU makers for having 16GB of RAM and being angry at Nvidia for having 188GB - not a typo, they have one hundred and eighty-eight GB of RAM - like their H100 NVL.
The <16GB complaint is a common and long standing complaint about their desktop GPUs.
there was no mention of desktop, OR RTX
and VRAM limitations almost certainly don’t apply to chinese GPUs: the process node is the only limitation in chinas manufacturing capability
i would absolutely not be surprised if they have a 256GB+ card that is equal to an 8yo nvidia/amd card at 1/5th the price and just dump more in… for the same reason that GPUs are better than CPUs for models, many GPUs is better than a single fast GPU
and that’s still only barely relevant because as i said previously, workstation GPUs etc don’t need that - there are plenty of workloads that fit the bill for a card from 8 years ago, and they never mentioned anything about large cards or ML workloads or gaming
They specifically pointed out that Nvidia GPUs have less than 16GB of RAM on their lower and mid end cards. They’re talking about desktop cards, clearly, because this is only a complaint about desktop cards as I just pointed out. Is 188GB less than 16GB? No.
You jumped into the middle of someone else’s conversation and misunderstood what was being discussed. Take the L and move along.
… as a bracket at the end of their comment indicating their distaste for nvidias shitty practices
you always argue in bad faith, and whilst downvotes don’t “mean” anything, they do prove at the very least something you’re doing or saying is not likeable… take that on board, adjust your tone, admit when you’re wrong (which is most of the time)
And why would that shitty practice be relevant in this discussion? Because they were talking about desktop gpus.
Take your own advice. You’re bringing up downvotes to try and support your mistake - that’s an obviously bad faith argument. The irony of what you’re saying is astounding.
Nope.
You’re not the person I replied to lol
The image of China as an uncreative, uneducated backwards nation of drones good only for assembling phones, hasn’t been the reality for at least a decade.
A lot of people in the West don’t realize this because to this day there’s a vicious cycle of people only import cheap Chinese crap because China has a reputation for only making cheap crap because people only import the cheap crap. They don’t realize that China is also making top tier products, because nobody’s trying to import top tier Chinese products.
oh, but they do, they import it rebranded with western logos
Look like there’s lots of Chinese mini pcs using the 395+ Max APU
AMD is awesome ^^ they’ll rule the land of x86 for quire some while imho. But the problem of supporting hegemony is obvious.
AMDs upcoming GPUs are purportedly on par with NVIDIAs Maxwell, but as long as the prices are the same, we’re in the same boat.
Luckily the prices have been falling, largely because NPUs are replacing GPUs as the primary handler of AI workloads - since it’s more performative and saves on electricity costs.
But, in a “free market” competition mui importante.
Thanks but no thanks!
Ah. Yeah, that tracks.
Care to tell more?
Famously he declared that slavery was justified because it was necessary to create the US:
www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-53550882
IMHO there are a few, very few, things that Usa should forbid their own people to say.
Glorifying slavery might be one of them. But sadly they are not ready for that, yet.
When Americans were supporting ISIS we look at them like they are crazy, but when they are supporting the confederacy, we give them high up political posts.
Also lied about being a ranger. Stolen valor anyone?
This will surely complete the final step of the master plan - the world craves those superior American made goods.
I can't imagine this would be effective at all. Assuming it uses GPS, big datacenters could simply spoof the GPS signal, and consumers could block the GPU from receiving the signal (a fully metal PC case is almost a Faraday cage already).
not just that. but GPS is one way communication. how will it call home to HQ?
That’s why they need to be able to monitor everything on the internet.
Not for anything fascist, we promise.
You had me worried there for a second.
Ah yes let’s try to stifle Chinese innovation by … checks notes … expanding our surveillance state. Usually we are the ones calling China a surveillance state, but it’s fine(it’s not) once we do it.
There is nothing more American than hipocracy my friend
Yeah. All the FUD about Huawei really solidified in my mind how stupid the average internet user is these days.
It’s like, everything they were bitching about has already been confirmed to be happening with US companies thanks to PRISM and the Snowden leaks.
You joke, but western governments regularly pull the “our surveillance is good because we aren’t an authoritarian regime” trope.
Oh Senator Know-Nothing…
What are you going to do about firewalls and air-gapped networks? JFK you stupid asshole… GTFO
Next up GPUs require always-on connections and Nvidia requires a monthly subscription to pay for that.
For just $19.99 a month you can have us track your GPU*, or choose the premium ad-free upgrade for just $149.99 a months, so you can enjoy your favorite games without ad breakes.
^^^* ^^^failure ^^^to ^^^comply ^^^will ^^^be ^^^punished ^^^by ^^^deportation
Don’t give them any ideas.
Once China takes the semiconductor crown, the US isn’t getting it back.
Glad I get to be alive to witness communism beat capitalism. While the US ruling class wastes its money on dumb shit like “space tourism,” the Chinese ruling class has been investing vehemently into its own populace.
I’m intrigued……
You do know, that China is a capitalistic country labeling themselves as communist?
Apart from that you’re right.
The PRC is also quickly catching up in semiconductors, and they actually build infrastructure, unlike the US. Sure, they have a massive wealth disparity and very obviously aren’t communist, but they’re doing a few things right.
Yeah China is actually insane. They’re growing like exponentially and we’re over here at crawling progress
Guess it depends which part of the graph you are on.
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So China has a smaller percentage of its population below 10k USD net worth despite having a 45% lower cost of living? That’s a pretty big difference in the number of people who can live comfortably. I’m willing to sacrifice people’s ability to be ludicrously rich for that.
And yet most americans think chinese people live in dirt huts wearing rags, and are forced into slave labor. I wonder if there will ever be a time when politicians stop lieing for their country.
And of course the miraculous Chinese GPUs won't have any tracking inside, none at all!
just like their smartphones and networking devices, right?
Nah you can keep your Oppos and Huawei routers.
This is absolutely insane and no one will want to buy those GPUs.
Unless, of course, they’re in all the GPUs that people want.
…It’s unfortunately more likely that the majority of people won’t notice or care, though.
Yeah if you think most people are going to care or even know about this, you haven’t been paying attention to the last 20 years.
Have some faith bud.
Faith in what? The unending march to tech dystopia?
Just like nobody is buying the current generation because it’s insane, right?
Bruh… Literally 1984
Adversaries who are being treated to lower tarriffs than allies.
Cooked country.
How is this even legal? I am not even american nor living there, so how would the US be allowed to operate massive and unregulated surveillance through GPUs ?
The US is becoming worse than those they call villain.
If you’re in Europe I’m pretty sure those chips would violate the hell out of the GDPR and as such can’t be sold there.
Even then, as posted in a different too level comment, this is just too easy to fake, or block.
It’s an idiot law for idiots
The US has very low engagement of its voters, so even things that are illegal are starting to happen regularly.
It’s the same as so many countries, once a few rich guys get into power, as long as the guys with guns will take their money, it doesn’t really matter what want, the government gets captured and corrupted.
There’s ways to fight it but it’s a slog. I might give up. It’s not my job to fix it, fixing things doesn’t pay.
Isn’t it the reason for donald? Only like 60% vote, so the “stupid 30%” of the population can be used to grab the power seat?
Basically yes. That’s why Fox News is such an important instrument to the movement. They get their voters primed up and angry all year. They came out and voted against trans people in bathrooms and they are okay to suffer if that is achieved
That’s the neat part, if it isn’t no one will enforce it or protect you.
Yeah that is fun and all but I can at least guarantee you that that shit won’t fly in Europe, and likely neither in Canada. I can only imagine other countries will be penning their own laws outlawing this.
So tech giants then have the option to either go for separate chipsets for those countries or stip selling there.
Also, how do you want to implement this? Have the GPU request GPS data from the computer? That won’t be hard to forgr., but let’s say you ge that, then what?
You need to send that info somewhere or it’ll be useless. How? Over the Internet? Ahw, my firewall told you to go fuck yourself. Over its own GPS line? A little bit of aluminum foil can do miracles.
So what are you going to do then? Require an active internet connection for your GPU to work? Bwhahahahha. Have you seen gamers responses to games that require active internet connections to play? You won’t sell shit.
This is again a law designed by absolutely.emoty headed idiots tompleae some other empty headed idiots.
why dont they just ask huwei to give them some spying tech.
I knew this shit was coming so I just… I got contingencies bruh. I ain’t buying that nonsense and I don’t give a fuck about video games no more so eat a dick. If I have to strip down naked and pull every goddamn microchip out of my ass, that these fuckers want to put there, then I will. I refuse. Not only that, I mean, don’t you as a company owner find this to be somewhat concerning, especially if you know about like, I don’t know, hierarchical systems? Like sure, you’re in charge of a small group of people with someone in charge of you. Are we headed to “our great leader territory”? I’ll just have a reductionist strategy. Less is more. What I see at the end of the day is goofballs wishing for something to be, but not implementing it or implementing it in a limp dick fashion, which actually leaves us in a worse off position.
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Capitalism is a system of whores. And there’s nothing wrong with whores, but a whore is a whore. Good luck. It’s going to be like trying to hold a bar of soap that’s slipping out of your hands. You can keep grabbing at it, but it’s just going to keep slipping. I just recall when America leaked nuclear secrets because soldiers were using a private private flashcard program and they forgot to check mark the box that said private. And so they ended up leaking all these secrets all over the internet. And let’s not forget. The open source information that was used from some snot-nosed person on an osint account on twitter for targeting a supposed underground base, that cost the lives of innocent civilians via the Palantir and Peter Thiel’s stupid AI. They did not get an underground base. They just wasted millions of dollars on something that wasn’t there.
It’s like their plans are dystopic and terrifying, but they’re not going to be able to implement them in a way that’s worth a damn. And also, their actual product that they produce is so stupid that it’s even more terrifying than the original idea. It’s just straight up fucking madness. It’s like, look mom, no hands. Then you fall off the goddamn bike and you’re sitting there crying.
This still remains. There is so much corruption and greed in this country that we can’t even function as an empire. We can’t even get a chip’s factory figured out. We don’t make shit. Everybody in this country is so goddamn lazy and stupid. I can’t even find a noble cause because I feel like I’m just enabling stupid people. I’m sure we just operate off of bare necessities. Like the need to just stay alive one more day. But it gets to the point where it’s like, what’s the fucking point? This country is nonsensical. It’s absurd. It’s laughable. It’s weak. It’s limp dicked. And this happened way before Joe Biden or Trump. This has been a continuation ever since I’ve been alive for 40 fucking dumb ass years.
What the fuck is your metaphor with whores all about??
Yeah right, a couple of my good friends used to be sex workers so
just seems ignorant and misogynist to me.
Its just a phrase about managing expectations. You can replace whore with literally any profession and its the same message.
A sex worker can be a honest whore. Nothing wrong with being a honest whore.
Now being a sales weasel and making backroom deals, that’s a lying whore.
Your comment feels like “a honest black person can be a good nigga, no wrong with that, but if hes not nice he’s a ***** nigga” IDK you just sound bad as hell.
It’s probably the word ‘whore’. Similar to ‘cunt’, it hits a little different from ‘prostitute’ or ‘pussy’.
Culturally, ‘whore’ is an acceptable word for me to use. Any permutation of the N word is not.
I’ve spent a fair amount of time among drag queens(not necessarily sex workers but there is overlap), strippers, prostitutes and crack whores. Most of them are decent folks in hard times. It is rare that people willingly choose sex work, instead, it’s usually desperation and addiction. A desperate population does desperate things like petty crime.
Everything you say feels A-ok (except you americans have a weird way forbidding words) but I think you missed my point. Whore is a way more loaded word than cunt, and in many ways, it’s not just an insult but also misogynist and so on, if used as an insult. So you can throw it around when it isn’t (my little cookie whore! or something I guess) but you can’t balance that off with the insult part, because it’s just too raw and bad IMO.
Sorry for the word salad!
Whore isn’t really gendered? There are more female whores than male whores in sex work but there are more male whores in politics than female. It is an insult about submission and service with a sexual connotation.
I think you’re seeing a difference in cultural weighting of common profanity. I’m from the deep south of the US.
I’m used to cunt being considered more offensive than whore. Whore is a milder obscenity than fuck, shit, or cunt. It is similar to slut, dick, or piss.
And how do they plan to do this? even if they add (GPS) tracking hardware the Chinese will just cut the connection to the Antenna and the GPU is gone. If they do it in software (like driver) it will just be patched out.
Sure, but now a new company selling Geo tracking shit for GPUs is making billions per year. Problem solved!
Senator Tom Cotton’s legislation seeks to “prevent advanced
AmericanTAIWANESE chips from falling into the hands of adversaries like Communist China.”FTFY
Nvidia, Intel, and AMD are all American companies. Yes, their GPUs are manufactured by TSMC in Taiwan but they just follow the designs given to them. The layout of these GPUs and the architecture of the chips are all designed and controlled by these American corporations.
So why are they made in Taiwan then? Why not make them in america?
Why do gpus need geo tracking? They’re usually pretty stationary right?
Because China supposedly used Nvidia cards to train DeepSeek, which blew all of the US AI out of the water. And apparently that raised some eyebrows, because Nvidia wasn’t supposed to be selling to China (free market, right?). Since China was eating big tech’s lunch, they cried to republicans (and gave them a bunch of reelection money) and now we have this bill. The point is to be able to remotely disable cards if they’re outside of their sale region.
Such a well-conceived feature could never possibly be abused for unintended purposes.
It’s about not letting them be used in China, and any other future enemy countries.
As a coder with some hardware awareness, I find the concept laughable.
How does he think they (read: the Taiwanese, if they are willing to) would go about doing it?
Add a GPS receiver onto every GPU? Add an inertial navigation module to every GPU? Add a radio to every GPU? :D
The poor politician needs a technically competent advisor forced on him. To make him aware (preferably in the most blunt way) of real possibilities in the real world.
In the real world, you can prevent a chip from knowing where it’s running and you can’t add random shit onto a chip, and if someone does, you can stop buying bugged hardware or prevent that random addition from getting a reading.
AMD & Nvidia are American companies, for better or worse. The Taiwanese just make the chips, they don’t actually decide what they look like…
if it’s possible, which I agree with you, is highly unlikely, i’d assume it’d be something like html canvas fingerprinting. Rather than adding more stuff to the gpu, the gpu could be made to generate a specific fingerprint. I recon it’d be a very easy task for the hardware vendors.
Heck, there might be other ways we don’t even know yet, kinda like the glowy ethernet port. I could see that working very easily in conjunction to the GPU.
please read up on intel management engine and amd’s equivelent. That shit runs on your system in ring minus 3. Oh yeah, ARM also has something similar.
China is also making it’s own x86 cpus, but I bet they’re laced with more spyware than the above.
You honestly have virtually 0 other cpu options. Everything is bugged… Who would you buy from in this case? It’s virtually unavoidable :/
Also, don’t get me started on speculative execution vulns…
I’m already familiar with it. On the systems I buy and intall, if they are Intel based, ME gets disabled since I haven’t found a reasonable use for it.
Since this is more relevant to me (numerically, most of the systems that I install are Raspberry Pi based robots), I’m happy to announce that TrustZone is not supported on Pi 4 (I haven’t checked about other models). I haven’t tested, however - don’t trust my word.
From the Raspberry Pi Foundation, who are doubtless ordering silicon from TSMC for the Pico series and ready-made CPUs for their bigger products, and various other services from other companies. If they didn’t exist, I would likely fall back on RockChip based products from China.
Wow. :) Neat trick. (Would be revealed in competent hands, though. Snap an X-ray photo and find excess electronics in the socket.)
However, a radio transceiver is an extremely poor candidate for embedding on a chip. It’s good for bugging boards, not chips.
I didn’t know you could disable it. I figured it was very impractical or near impossible to do. how did you do it?
I’m not going to lie, raspberry pis are a good candidate for a desktop but they’re still very underpowered compared to modern computers. That’s my only critcism. But yes, i’m not sure if there’s any spookware on any of the raspberry pis.
In the BIOS options of that specific server (nothing fancy, a generic Dell with some Xeon processor) the option to enable/disable ME was just plainly offered.
Chipset features > Intel AMT (active management technology) > disable (or something similar, my memory is a bit fuzzy). I researched the option, got worried about the outcomes if someone learned to exploit it, and made it a policy of turning it off. It was about 2 years ago.
P.S.
I’m sure there exist tools for the really security-conscious folks to verify whether ME has become disabled, but I was installing a boring warehouse system, so I didn’t check.
If politicians had advisors then how would they justify doing the dumb shit their owners want them to, then they can’t plead ignorance.
How about locking all the advanced functions behind a hardware lock that requires an online key to unlock? Besides getting an IP address for geolocation, this approach would enable manufacturers to put a subscription on the features as well. Require users to provide a government issued ID that matches the name on the credit card used.
VPN! I hear you cry. But the driver is already running pretty close to the hardware, so good luck hiding a VPN client.
So while you can’t guarantee a street address accuracy, you can get country and overall regional subdivision.
But who would buy such hardware? :)
In my imagination, there is no VPN client. The whole network is behind a VPN router and the internet gateway is where it needs to be.
Finally my Intel stock will rise. This will definitely force Nvidia GPU to be manufactured in the US with always on DRM.
Laughs in Faraday.