from ForgottenFlux@lemmy.world to technology@lemmy.world on 26 Mar 19:35
https://lemmy.world/post/27426660
Interest in LibreOffice, the open-source alternative to Microsoft Office, is on the rise, with weekly downloads of its software package close to 1 million a week. That’s the highest download number since 2023.
“We estimate around 200 million [LibreOffice] users, but it’s important to note that we respect users’ privacy and don’t track them, so we can’t say for sure,” said Mike Saunders, an open-source advocate and a deputy to the board of directors at The Document Foundation.
LibreOffice users typically want a straightforward interface, Saunders said. “They don’t want subscriptions, and they don’t want AI being ‘helpful’ by poking its nose into their work — it reminds them of Clippy from the bad old days,” he said.
There are genuine use cases for generative AI tools, but many users prefer to opt-in to it and choose when and where to enable it. “We have zero plans to put AI into LibreOffice. But we understand the value of some AI tools and are encouraging developers to create … extensions that use AI in a responsible way,” Saunders said.
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I’m afraid to find out how many people are still downloading OpenOffice, thinking it’s the same software they heard about back in 2010.
Is it not the same software they heard about in 2010?
It was discontinued in 2011. Anything that is out there today is outdated at best, and malicious at worst.
It literally is.
Oracle bought (and quickly killed) it. It’s not under active development, and anything that claims otherwise is likely malicious. LibreOffice is a lot of the original OpenOffice devs who got fed up with the way things were going, and jumped ship.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apache_OpenOffice
It seems it’s still legit, but of course Libre Office is the better choice.
What happened to Openoffice?
Oracle bought and ratfucked it.
I still use it sometimes.
Why would you do that to yourself???
I like the austere layout
I would recommend switching to LibreOffice, it is definitely more performant and modern.
Oracle happened to it
All the devs went to LibreOffice after that
Oracle happened. pcworld.com/…/why-you-should-ditch-openoffice-and…
Seriously, fuck Oracle with a rusty rebar. They already ruined mysql.
mysql -> MariaDB
OpenOffice -> LibreOffice
They were bought and made for profit.
Libreoffice doesn’t have read aloud feature which makes it useless to me. Neither did openoffice. Windows stil only program with it. And I use it for editing purposes.
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Yeah I’m wondering for how many weeks.
And then how many millions of ms office users there are? (Or billions…)
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Oh it’s great news either way. I’d just be curious about the numbers.
And maybe those are only the ones that download it directly. But every Linux user downloads it from other repos.
Took them long enough.
Now how long will it take them to try Linux?
So here’s a single data point for you, in a good couple months (for money reasons) I was gonna switch over to Bazzite or another distro if it came preinstalled
So with a sample size of 1 we know 100% of people you’ve found are switching to linux
It’s finally (your) Year of the Linux Desktop!
Soon ™
Should we tell them Linux is free? 😀
Well there’s the small matter of the new computer
But oh NOW you tell me I don’t need to wire $600 to a random person
You can dual boot on pretty much whatever you have, though I recommend buying a separate drive for Linux for minimum headaches.
But yeah, I get it. Linux will be there when you’re ready.
Please don’t suggest newcomers to dual boot. It’s very technical and requires a lot of knowledge and effort to troubleshoot when windows eventually fights back with new shenanigans. It provides a skewed impression of what using Linux is like.
Just suggest to try the distros as a live USB. It gets them 90% of the way into an install, and it’s perfectly safe and reversible.
Give Linux a whole, separate drive and then there’s no concern about Windows doing anything.
This is perfectly viable and preferable, but for most newcomers just installing a new OS is a foreign concept in and of itself.
Fair. But blowing away all their stuff can really ruin their day. Learn to enter the boot menu to switch drives, and then they can always go back to Windows if something gets borked.
Yeah is that completely safe? I’m really tempted to try out Mint and I have an old M2 from my previous machine I could format and use for it. The PC is my work/editing station though so can’t afford any risk. I can’t really make the switch since I’m still dependent on LR+PS (Adobe…) but most of my other software should work, and I’ve just always wanted to get into Linux but not sure if it’ll actually benefit me and my work or if it’s just gonna cause me even more hassle than windows currently does.
I’m familiar with messing around in the BIOS, changing boot priority and formatting stuff and whatnot.
As long as you’re confident in being able to distinguish between the two drives (i.e. they have different capacities), you’re good.
The main issue people run into w/ a dual boot setup is Windows clobbering the Linux boot loader (the thing that lets you pick whether to boot into Windows or Linux) and users not knowing how to reinstall it. It will only do that on the drive it’s installed to, so if Linux is on a separate drive altogether, you’ll be fine. I recommend going into the BIOS settings and switching the default boot to your Linux drive, and Linux should detect the Windows installation and give you the option to boot into either one.
This is probably going to be an issue for you, since neither has a direct replacement on Linux. However, in the worst case scenario (you hate Linux and want to nuke it from orbit), you just need to switch the boot order back in your BIOS.
Right that sounds reasonable then. Switching boot order is a piece of cake and the Linux drive would be the only 128gb one in the whole array (I have a lot of drives, including a setup with stablebit drivepool, will that work?). After I’m done with this current gig in a couple days I should have a small window of free time, maybe I’ll finally get to it!
Woo!
Time to start selling thigh-high programming socks then.
Linux needs to sound a lot less intimidating for people who don’t really do tech besides the very basics.
i’ve been building my own PCs since the 90s and have basic hardware and network certs, and want to try linux, but it seems daunting to me
networking is already a higher hurdle IMO
I’m practically tech illiterate, but managed to switch myself over to Linux after watching some guides a few years ago.
He’s the 1st one I used: youtu.be/4mySqL4bCSw
I’ve found Linux Mint to be easier to install and use than Windows. (I don’t have to enter the console and allow myself to setup an offline account because no network drivers were working in Linux. Windows 11 did that).
I’ve never had issues with graphics drivers, despite using Nvidia cards. The only issues with Linux have been because I broke something when I was messing around.
Get a USB drive, burn a Linux ISO to it, and try it out without installing it.
And then something doesn’t work during installation or you have to postpone it, you have to abort the installation, run into the MMOK error that blocks you from installing ANY UEFI Linux…just happend to me. I REALLY like the idea of Linux but man, if such things still happen :/.
Blame UEFI problems to all the shit M$ makes. It’s their fault.
While true, that unfortunately doesn’t change the reality that many potential new users will run into issues like this
But hey, the more Linux users there are, the more manufactures will be forced to fix their shit
The biggest issue people face when switching to Linux is finding Linux alternatives to their apps.
At this point it’s much easier than it was in the 90s
That said, games can still cause issues.
When I switched to Linux I found out that the Linux alternative to most of my apps was just running my windows apps through proton or wine and they work fine. There are only one or two programs that I couldn’t replace and I really don’t care about them so 🤷🏻♂️
If you’ve installed fresh Windows off a usb then process is the same for Linux, and you don’t really need to mess with terminal by just using the Microsoft Store equivalent on the Linux distro you choose. I didn’t find it too different from using Windows or MacOS. I was able to download all my usual programs like Steam and Firefox off the Linux appstore.
But if I had to install a program outside of the Linux store they usually came as a sh or deb file.
If it was deb I’d open terminal where the deb file was and type in
sudo dpkg -i filename.debAnd if sh I’d open terminal where the sh file was and type in
sh ./name_of_file.shThat’s pretty much the only terminal commands I’ve needed to know to get started.
When it came to drivers I was lucky enough to have it be pretty much handle everything for me on my old laptop out the box. Main reason I had tried Linux was because Windows ran slow on it, and also an old scanner I had didn’t have drivers that supported it anymore. But, on Linux the scanner just worked.
And in some desktops you can click on the deb file and it asks you if you want to install it.
The hardest part is picking a username and seeing what the name of the app store is on the distro
please don’t call it app store, I just threw up a little in my mouth :(
Package Manager!
We have to be hip and shorten it, so like maybe instead of package manager it can be pacman or if maybe by distro so like the popos can have a pop shop
pacman is the name of an actual package manager iirc
It isn’t, really. As @CosmicTurtle0 pointed out in their response, it’s mostly finding alternatives to your apps.
Apropos: fuck mozilla for enshittifying the last viable open source browser alternative :( It’s the one I have not found an alternative for yet.
Other than that: Thunderbird is WAY better than Outlook anyways. Gimp is arguably lacking some features that Photoshop people are used to, but works just fine (albeit takes some getting used to) for non graphic designers. LibreOffice is functioning better than Microsoft Office by a long shot in Writer and Calc - and up to par in Impress (presentations.) VLC should already be your media player of choice anyways. Element (Matrix) and Telegram desktop applications come with most distros nowadays. Desktop environment of choice is available, from very comfortable to very rudimentary and blazingly fast.
Steam works, many many games on steam work (but then again, maybe prefer gog / good old games, as it is not US based).
PDF readers: okular is probably your best bet, digital signatures work fine but the interface for signing a document could be improved a bit.
For my system, that’s kind of it - everything else is native Linux stuff anyways :)
Element 🤢
Telegram 🤢
I know. But better than using products from fascists…
I think the biggest factor in that is getting tutorials and such out there that focus on the basics, written by people who mainly do things on Linux using the basics and GUI tools. So much of the Linux content out there is focused on power users and even the tutorials for new users tend to be written by those power users who may have been tech focused before switching and forget or just don’t know how basic they really have to get to not make people feel intimidated. Given the right distro/desktop environment, and there’s plenty of good ones to start with, people can use Linux almost just how they use Windows. They just need someone to show them how without pushing them to do everything in the terminal too fast or going immediately to scripting as a solution to problems.
Successful propaganda. As if those people were able to install (or configure) Windows if it didn’t come preinstalled and with autoupdates…
Exactly. I’m really interested in running Linux but it would be more of something interesting to try when I have time rather than an actual OS change.
The biggest issue for me is I’m a photographer and I depend on Adobe Lightroom, Photoshop, etc. I know there are open source alternatives, but from what I’ve seen they are far behind adobe.
I guess dual boot could be a solution :)
Ooo I didn’t know about this I shall look into it.
Could you do it on Windows?
Haven’t done it myself yet! I’m planning to switch to Linux Mint later this year, and have a dual boot with Windows on the side, so I can switch at any time if needed.
I think it has a built-in dual boot feature: <img alt="img" src="https://opensource.com/sites/default/files/desktop-ubuntu-install-04.png">
I advise backing up your harddrive and stuff to prevent problems, or having one for Windows and the other one for Linux so you avoid problems. Credits here: opensource.com/article/18/5/dual-boot-linux#Ubunt…
I have no experience with this yet, always double verify! I think Mint uses GRUB
Arch linux also has a more in depth post on this
Thanks!
All the open source alternatives also work on windows. You could try them on your current OS and make the switch to Linux once you’re confident you’ve found a workflow that works for you.
Lightroom: Darktable Photoshop: Gimp (version 3 just released) or Krita Illustrator: Inkscape
One note though: The Windows versions tend to be a bit of an afterthought. Performance can therefore be not as good as the Linux version.
How about this: I’ll offer installation support and free tech support for three months to the first 20 people that ask. Free of charge. I only have three conditions:
Caveat number 3 is the reason I’m still on windows, I take it that’s still not an option then.
Maybe it is, idk, but if it works it’ll be a pain. If people are willing to switch software, I’m willing to help them.
I have to wonder what the October end of life for Windows 10 will bring in that regard.
Computers are expensive. Some people will buy something new, others won’t be able. That crowd has 2 options of finding a new OS or using one that’s no longer supported.
Most people will just continue using an out of date operating system because they don’t understand the security risks. It happens every time MS ends support of an OS line.
I think you are wildly underestimating the people who will say fuck it and keep rolling with 10. For that matter, how about the people who don’t even realize it’s EOL? Sure, they’ll get warnings, which they’ll promptly ignore.
I have some people at a client’s still happily using 8.1 (but hey, at least they’re not using 7!).
And, to be frank, if they had to stay on Windows I’d prefer they stay on 8.1 anyway. What with 10 requiring the online accounts or adding start menu adds or removing the interfaces of the Control Panel and everything else.
Good. Finally. It’s about time.
Yeah desktop apps era is back baby. Fuck you cloud.
Syncthing has been so helpful in making me move away from cloud based options. And to think only reason I found out about it and gave it a shot was because I was trying to figure out how to easily sync my non Steam game save files between my Desktop and my Steam Deck. It’s been invaluable since then.
Donate if you regularly use Syncthing. Help close the causal loop.
LibreOffice too for that matter. Kick 'em a few bucks if you can spare it.
www.libreoffice.org/donate/
Thanks for the reminder! Donated 5 euros (I’m unemployed so can’t spare more right now)
You gotta give.
You hit me in the cup
That is a very cool project that I’d never heard of. Thanks for sharing!
Welcome to the biggest rabbit hole of your life. Syncthing itself isn’t huge, but the capacity to divest from the big cloud providers is. I say it’s a rabbit hole because you’ll quickly be finding new ways to use it.
How does that differ from something like Nextcloud?
Nextcloud is, as the name says, a dedicated server used as a cloud. Syncthing only syncronises fders between devices. You dont need a dedicated server for this that stores all the data.
Oh nice! I felt like website did a bad job at explaining what it is and how it works
Like, it doesn’t say if it uses one of their servers or if the two devices should be up at the same time. If so, that’s really unfortunate
The devices need to be running at the same time, which isn’t that much of a problem, if you e. G. only want to sync your PC to your mobile.
I think the “normal” usage is having an always on computer as a server and link all other devices to that one for updates.
It does not.
You can’t sync 2 devices when they have no way to connect to each other, so no.
I would recommend getting a server. And by “server” I mean literally any computer with Syncthing installed and left on. Could even be an old phone or something (with sufficient storage). That way there’s always 1 device to sync to.
Woowoo! Cloud has its place and I love it but it’s not for literally everything
I like my personal cloud.
I’m hoping to set one up later this year. I have an old laptop that has good enough specs to run it from my research - I just need to get everything off of it and swamp windows for Linux! Never did a Linux install so I’m excited.
Woo! Don’t hesitate to ask for help, Linux users usually don’t bite. 😀
Will do! Do you have any specific communities you recommend for asking for help in Linux / self hosting type stuff? :)
Here are a couple I like:
Thanks! I’m already in !selfhosted@lemmy.world :) great place!
As a lifetime Windows user who switched to Linux about ten years ago, I recommend Linux Mint. It’s designed to look and feel like Windows 7 so it’s an easier transition when you first move from Windows. Also Mint is a rock solid distribution and has been my daily driver for about 9 years now. And before I forget, Mint has great documentation and community so when you get stuck on something you can easily Google for help.
Steam games work too now which is good.
you can easily search the web for help using your favorite engine. :)
True there are other ways to search but I still find that Google surfaces the most relevant answers on the first page. At least when doing technical searches, it’s hit or miss with any other topic.
I switched from Microsoft to MintLinux two years ago. Satisfied. Microsoft free. Peace and Om.
Yep, I wish I was totally Microsoft free but sadly my work laptop is Win11. I’ve lost track of how many times I’ve sat for over an hour on the phone with a level 1 tech going through the check list of non-fixes so they can bump me up to someone who has the authority to actually fix the issue, all the while thinking to myself “if this was Linux I could fix this myself in 10 minutes”.
I switched for the first time a few weeks ago!! I didn’t realise until I booted my Windows partition earlier for work that I hadn’t used it one single time since I did that because it was still open on the download page and forced a hundred updates on me 😅 it’s really fun and freeing, I’ve tried a few and settled on Pop!_OS because I love the simplicity, the pretty desktop environment and the window tiling
So cool! So you basically kept windows in one part of your machine and ran pop os on the rest? Really cool idea!
It’s a bit easier if you have a separate drive that Linux can own.
I was reading about this solution. My main laptop is a MacBook Air with M2 so I don’t think I can run any version of Linux on it. I have an old windows laptop I’m thinking about trying it on.
Would Linux still run fine on an older laptop?
Linux absolutely works well on old hardware. I don’t know what your definition of “older” is, but I still use my laptop from 2017.
Lots of Linux distributions are specifically built for older laptops! And all of them tend to run pretty well on lower end equipment. Here’s a list that also mentions the specs needed for each one: linuxsimply.com/best-linux-distros-for-old-laptop…
Linux Mint, probably the most popular one on all computers nowadays regardless of specs, has a minimum RAM requirement of 2GB with 4GB recommended :) they make Linux distros for old tiny Raspberry Pi computers so even if your computer is a hundred years old you’ll probably be able to run TinyCore on it at least
Yeah!! I haven’t had any trouble with it yet, my laptop has only one SSD slot which is why I did it on the same one. I just switch when I boot up. I have the Windows one just in case I can’t get a game to run and to access my work’s shared drive (absolutely cannot figure it out on Linux lol)
When I get another job lined up that’s my goal. A job and these bills. And that car loan. And maybe a house… Man. Maybe two jobs.
OnlyOffice is also good - my preferred for the basic Word/Excel type stuff I do.
Yeah I love LibreOffice’s customisability including sidebar etc, but OnlyOffice just performs a lot better and handles the most common formats better for me
Heck yeah, OnlyOffice gang
Yeah! To me LibreOffice just looks dated and, to be honest, shit. OnlyOffice has a much cleaner interface.
It also isn’t still carrying around 30 years of Java baggage from when it was Sun StarOffice, and everything inbetween.
Never even qualified for SOLDIER.
And has to cope by pretending he’s literally this other dude. Pathetic.
Not so fast. LibreOffice has a network version.
For me it was about freedom, and not being locked into the Microsoft sphere.
I’m glad to see foss Software taking off. In the past, we had to be a tech enthusiast to Realize it with an option. Now it’s pretty well known.
The large tech companies didn’t get greedy and try to be so gross with privacy settings. People wouldn’t make the move. They only have themselves to blame.
If you’re into music, there’s a great open source synthesizer.
surge-synthesizer.github.io
The US becoming a questionable country and people realizing how almost every digital service and product is US based also ended up becoming a huge incentive to start seeking out alternatives instead putting all their eggs in one country. If it hadn’t been for that I wouldn’t have been making so many product shifts and seeking out foss alternatives or at the very least nonUS alternatives.
It’s been very cool seeing lot of people making attempts to try out stuff like Linux too even if they don’t stick with it.
I’ve been using lmms, but this looks amazing
My friend, FOSS has been readily available for more than a decade. Whether it’s LibreOffice or the GIMP or VLC or whatever, these are very old pieces of software.
It’s not taking off now. It already did. But now you personally are noticing. :-)
Been available for close to 40 years
Well, I’ve been using this software forever, I’m saying now, normal folks, I see in the light.
Is it finally the year of foss? I love LibreOffice and started using it years back for personal use not wanting to bother with buying another Microsoft Office version once the one I had stopped getting security updates.
I have to say I’m one of them. Cancelled my office subscription and an trying to avoid making the same mistake again. It was convenient though.
Is it the best free option? It works fairly well although I can still kill it sometimes.
I know there’s a few other alternatives like OnlyOffice, wps office etc but these might be freemium.
I must be one of them. In the last couple of weeks I’m transitioning my apps and services to open source and EU based. I switched from Windows to CachyOS, switched my emails, switched browser, degoogled my phone, deleted FB and X and many more.
It feels so refreshing and free.
That is allot of stuff in a short time. Nice!
Good job! Welcome to Beltalowda :) Next up: join the OPA!
Lol what?
A reference to The Expanse.
Dude. The Expanse was dope! Watch it. You won’t regret it. I’ve heard the books were better, but I lack the time to go through them right now : /
I did. It was mostly … confusing. The scenes were uninnovative, boring, and ?too-american.
Yeah, I didn’t like it either
I didn’t like the first series, and would’ve quit it at episode 3 or so but I ended up without internet access for a couple of days and the whole series downloaded… It got better.
But yeah, life’s too short for TV shows that take time to be taken on faith. And if you did finish the first series and still not like it, more power to you.
The books are way better if you care to try.
Books were absolutely better, but the TV show was still awesome.
The Expanse reference: Welcome to the poor, but honest plebs, next up join the rebellion ;)
theregister.com/…/libreoffice_wasm_zetaoffice/
Native Realtime collaboration on documents and spreadsheets is the last feature holding us back from switching in business environments.
Collabora office
Nice. Maybe now Microsoft will respond by
offering non-subscription optionsinventing a new proprietary industry-standard file format so their bloated ransomware remains mandatory.Fortunately platforms like docs are providing sufficient competition that I don’t think they’d be able to lock it down as effectively as they once could.
They’ll have to settle for “warning” the user if they detect a file that was made by libreoffice.
The warning can be disabled from the settings
It’s still enabled by default and acts as FUD for the average user who won’t know to disable it and will get spooked by it.
That it can be opted out of doesn’t change its propaganda value at all.
I agree, I would never give Microsoft the benefit of the doubt.
And IIIIII helped!
I’ve been using LibreOffice for years and it is fantastic – although I have always had problems importing PowerPoints. Xcel and Word documents are fine, but PowerPoint is always a mess.
PowerPoints suffer from lack of smart objects, and in the case of using Linux, font conversion. But it’s just that we’ve got to persevere with it. 😅
Does anyone know how to get endnote or a similar citation manager to work in Libre Office?
If you ever figure it out I’d love to know, too. I relied entirely on Libre Office as an undergrad but missed this feature of MS Word. I currently use a combination of Scribbr and Purdue Owl but would prefer an offline and open source solution.
Copying my response from above for u!
Zotero has plugins for LibreOffice and other word processors: https://www.zotero.org/support/word_processor_integration
Zotero is the tool you want. It works perfectly.
Oh, that’s fantastic! Thank you, I will give it a try!
I’ve been using Zotero since I converted a few weeks back. It has some really useful plugins, so I would recommend adding this one first- it’s like a store where you can easily browse and add them :))
I’ve using using it with Obsidian (there’s a short guide you can find online), so while I’m writing an essay in Obsidian I can just hit a key shortcut and it lists every paper I’ve saved to Zotero. Then when I click one, it adds the citation. So useful
I’ve used Libre Office, but unpopular opinion, the formatting sucks. I just pirated word, never paying for that again
Yup. I used Libra in college but getting the formatting right took longer than writing my papers. If I had to pay for a subscription to office I wouldn’t, and I don’t, I just prefARR’ my office apps.
I get that… dealing with hanging indentation was annoying.
You’re keeping it entrenched.
Lack of quality replacement is keeping it entrenched. LibreOffice needs to step it up.
Have you tried OnlyOffice?
The formatting… The formatting that you can easily modify. Sigh. It takes two minutes, my friend.
Anyway, you do you.
I mean, you’re likely right and I probably didn’t give it a good enough shot. I just haven’t had the smoothest experience with it. It took me twice as long to make an ugly Resume on libre than the time it took for me to make a decent one on “free” word
LaTeX is your friend
and word is better at formatting?
I’ve used LibreOffice for years, and formatting is a constant struggle. I end up looking online to figure out how to make a small, simple change, and it turns out the only way to do it is by messing with styles, which is way more than I want. The focus on styles is LO’s biggest drawback, IMO.
Sometimes proprietary software is still better than free or open-source software in several ways.
Other times, it’s the other way around, and in some cases, they’re similar, but everyone chooses based on their convenience and needs.
We should all get Signal as well. If you don’t have it you’ll probably be surprised how many of your contacts do.
Why Signal, specifically?
It’s widely regarded as the gold standard for secure communications.
Its as usable as WhatsApp while being cryptographically secure and private.
WhatsApp is cryptographically secure but yea, still collects your contacts
A backdoor isn’t a flaw?
Source? Afaik there’s no backdoor in their cryptography, except maybe if using the cloud to back up your chats?
it increases your chances of getting accidentally added to confidential group chats
I was looking for this comment.
If enough of us join up will completely suppress the United States’s ability to carry out military operations.
Nice try Hegseth
Not that much do though, but yea, people should
In the usa its just texting
Dropped the Word suite and used openoffice, then switched to libreoffice. Definitely a slightly clunkier feel to it, but avoiding yet more subscription, cloud based, internet connection needed, account needed software is becoming more and more important.
Been using openoffice for 15+ years, what made you switch to libreoffice?
Open office isn’t getting much in the way of updates these days and is considered dormant and maintained by the Apache foundation. Libre-office is the office suite maintained by the document foundation and is where the bulk of developers moved over to.
OpenOffice’s old branding from Sun times was so nice though. Felt like modernity and magic in the sense of Star Wars prequels, Stargate SG-1, that warm kind of thing.
Oracle.
Libreoffice was created as a fork of OpenOffice because the development of OO became stale due to Oracle. If you’re still on OpenOffice, try LibreOffice - it’s kind of the same, but better
For me it was docx. Oo couldn’t get the formatting right but libre could. This was back when docx was new and i was in school ao the teachers didn’t take off for strange lines or bad formatting.
Fair, open office still hates .docx lol
Pretty much what everyone said, especially better import/export of microsoft document formats - but one of the things they didn’t mention is that LibreOffice can be easily downloaded and installed from repositories. If I do a fresh linux install it’s just a command line or some other software package installer away. Super easy. I find LibreOffice runs smoother. Only downside is that sometimes it takes a while to load.
And if you’re using a full featured turnkey kind of distro like Mint, LibreOffice is pre-installed and ready to update via the repo.
For the past like decade the only “updates” OpenOffice has been getting are questionable code comment changes from one dude. These changes literally do nothing, and people have suggested that the only reason he does it is to make OpenOffice seem like it’s still being developed, even though it was abandoned long ago.
Why? IDK, but I think it’s just some stubborn asshole with an axe to grind with the LibreOffice project. OpenOffice still has stronger name recognition than LibreOffice, so a lot of people still use it.
Lol is it really just like
// I did something, trust me
And he pushes it out lmao?
Pretty much: github.com/apache/openoffice/commits/trunk/
It’s not just the subscription they want to avoid. Office has been steadily enshitified to the point nobody I know likes using it anymore.
Teams has decided it won’t recognise like 50% of word docs anymore. So you can no longer edit them within teams and have to download them. If you simply read and scroll down it, the scroll glitches so bad for no reason. Ugh
No matter who you ask, it still seems like everyone fucking hates it. I never heard a single good word about teams and still its one of the most widely used conference softwares.
It’s absolutely terrible. I’m looking at it now and just glancing at the screen I can come up with problems. All your recent chance are down the left hand side in chronological order with absolutely no way for you to organize or label them, It frequently just doesn’t work and you have to use the online version which has a different UI for zero reason at all, that is no configurable options for muting. It’s either on or off. Even WhatsApp has options to mute for 30 minutes.
That’s just the surface stuff. There’s a bunch of little annoying UI issues as well that only become really apparent when you use it for a while. So they definitely didn’t QA any of it.
We have to do all of our calls on Teams because we work with participants and it’s a bit more secure than Zoom (which can have people straight up bombing your call for funsies). And if we’re already using it for that, idea is we may as well use it as a shared drive too. An ugly and buggy one.
It started going downhill when they got rid of word art.
I ditched MS office for Libre long time ago, all I need it for is to open and view the occasional document anyways. For creating or editing documents I like Googles office suite better though
Is this better than Apache open office?
In my opinion, yes. I use it almost daily at work and I have it on my PC just in case.
Open Office is not maintained anymore
I used OnlyOffice thinking ‘Hey, this is a really similar alternative to MSO!’ Then bugs with slide previews and their ordering happened in the middle of presentations and even worse, memory usage ground my laptop to a halt (electron apps open up with close to 1GB of memory, such as obsidian).
Libre office still hasn’t crashed and the slide previews are accurate. The interface has always been a bit…unrefined even with the new tabbed layout but I can live with that.
I didn’t even know this existed until a few days ago. Downloaded an AppImage to try it out and was able to make a decent pdf with minimal hassle.
I was really worried I’d need to use Foxit Phantom Pdf just to edit a pdf a couple of weeks ago, but libre office draw was very little hassle, with the exception of a bit of shifting of text.
OpenOffice 3 had the best office suite UI I can imagine.
Dunno where all this “MS is good” comes from.
Don’t like today’s LO UI.
It doesn’t surprise me, Microsoft is enshitifying everything they have.
I really like LibreOffice but I still need Excel. It’s a good 20 years ahead of the OSS software. It works find if your doing light work though
Makes me wonder, what exactly are you missing on LibreOffice Sheet?
For me biggest missing I’ve found is web/external queries. Excel has a system to log in to an API, retrieve that data and format it before it lands on your sheet.
Libre functionality here is lacking/non existent.
My workaround was to write a python query, add it as a cron job, write that data to a csv then call that csv from my sheet with a timed refresh. Not something the average user can or wants to do.
Everything else I’ve found achievable.
Easiest thing I can think of off the top of my head is dealing with pivot tables. UI is terrible in OpenOffice also integrations with PowerBI does not exist along with XLookup not existing last I checked
OpenOffice?? That thing is dead. I thought we’re talking about LibreOffice.
That’s the problem: if you want greater adoption, you must cover the needs of accountants, because Excel knows perfectly well that they are the fixed source of income for companies.
The funny thing is you can still buy Office standalone but you have to actively go looking for it and Microsoft doesn’t advertise it because 365 subscriptions make more money.
Microsoft doesn’t want you buying standalone versions of software, but they still have to sell it because there’s still a market for it.
And if you monitor Slickdeals, you can often get a copy for under $40.
Wow, the way they write “best value” on the offer for 8.50 £/month is just brazen.
If you use Office Home 2024 for 120£ for just 15 months or more it’s already cheaper.
What’s annoying, too, is that a lot of the methods that have traditionally been used for discounts (education, nonprofit, employer-based discounts) are now only applicable to the subscriptions. So if you do want to get a standalone copy and would ordinarily qualify for a discount, you can’t apply that discount to that license.
I love Libre so much
Love to see it. I haven’t used MS Office in well over a decade at this point and I have no plans to go back. LibreOffice is fantastic, suits all my needs, doesn’t pack itself with bloat and it respects my freedom and privacy. What more can I want from an office suite?
I just don’t understand how they jumped from version 7 to 24 …
x 3 + 3 obviously.
Not x 4 - 4
because seven ate nine through twenty-three
If you’re a nerd, also check out Typst and LaTeX. Being able to format your documents with pure code is awesome, and you can also define functions for different things, import libraries to generate graphs, and write comments that don’t show up in the document.
I have used latex a lot with overleaf, but I’d like to try using an offline version. Do you have any tips?
Just to throw in some other options: you can easily convert basically anything to latex (and ultimately to Pdf) using pandoc. For instance, if you use Zettlr as your markdown editor, you can also use a citation software (eg., Zotero) and quickly invoke it using the @ character. Then, you can write your documents in Markdown and inline Latex and create Latex-powered Pdfs via pandoc. I use this approach to write scientific papers and it works pretty well.
I used TexStudio for my Master’s thesis, it worked fine for me. I haven’t done a full survey of available LaTex distributions and tools though :-)
Kile used to be great, probably still is
Personally I use a Guix template I made (Typst, LaTeX) which downloads necessary software/libraries and the LSP and pins the software versions, and I use the Helix text editor for editing. Not sure what the more common methods are. Also Typst’s package management is weird.
My entires student time was with LaTex. Unable to write and format things in MSWord.
LaTeX is great for documents, mediocre for slides, questionable for spreadsheets, useless for mail and calendar.
Awesome, it does great at what it was designed to do. And it even does mediocre at things it was not designed to do. It even does incompetently things that aren’t anywhere in its code? Amazing piece of tech.
If you’re going to download it, try the torrent option! That way, you can give back to the community that gives you LibreOffice.
Had no idea there was a torrent for it on its own. I always get it with apt.
Don’t forget to seed the torrents to help the servers. And donate if you can ✊🏻
Very few people will actually know how to do that.
Yes, but millenials have been doing it since we were kids. It’s not that hard, just embrace the joy of naughty computing.
Donating is easy, just follow the url on the homepage. /s
Good idea. I’ll add it to my seedbox.
what version(s) are best to help out? Windows 64 bit?
Probably, yes. You would assume the influx of users was mostly windows users.
I replaced MS Office with libreoffice on my dad’s PC and he didnt even noticed for months. Libreoffice is just better.
My only complaint is that tab is not an option to auto complete. It’s infuriating as someone who works in Excel all day for work and then has some things to do at home in a spreadsheet and I type =vlook tab and then it switches to the next column. Let me autocomplete the formula to the next input! And they don’t let you change it either. It’s the most infuriating thing. It’s why I refused to use LibreOffice for a while but the switch to Linux forced my hand. I like Libre Office more than Only Office.
Does it have the same shorcuts as microsoft excel?
Not sure but it’s free to download and try out
Many of them work the same. Fill down etc. Not sure about more obscure ones.
Hahahahaha nice
nice hahaha
Sure, to avoid costs…
They really don’t see the connection with the trade war, buy european movement, boycott america movement, trump presidency in general… Really? Or could it be the editor told them not to mention it?
None of those have much real impact outside internet noise compared to people seeing their bank accounts drain.
I’ve been leaving corpo shit behind for years as a personal boycott, but even I found it much easier to invest time and effort moving off paid services than free ones because of a perceived material benefit beyond smug self-satisfaction.
As someone who has recently cancelled my Microsoft subscription and switched to libre office I can vouch that it was not the subscription cost that made me switch.
You’re looking for enemies where there are none. I’m not a medical professional, but I assume this amount of paranoia is not good for your mental health and well-being. Just take the article for what it is: a win for free software
Sure, it is a win. And thank you for the wise words.
But to me it seems that many are looking to reduce dependency on US tech.
Unfortunately, world is such state that a little paranoia is warranted. If Snowden was not a wakeup call, now I finally feel there is a real movement to try to reduce the dependency. Keep in mind that the US currently threatens EU with occupation of Greenland and sides with our enemy.
But all that said, thank you again, kind stranger.
Came here to say this. The headline is misleading, the costs have been there for years. The thing that has changed are millions of Europeans and Canadians looking for American alternatives.
There was another article I saw related to a massive drop (over 70%!) in bookings between Canada and the US. It didn’t mention the reason for the drop in bookings. Not sure why the media is so reluctant to cover the massive American boycotts that are underway at the moment, especially on articles covering the impact.
Based
Haven’t used ms products in a decade.
My Microsoft boycott was longer
This is a great news! I hope more people would use open-source software like Libreoffice.
I’ve gradually been switching over. The UI is somewhat confusing in my experience- but the MSO UX+UI is consistently getting much, much worse as time passes
Is it just me, or do new office features seem kinda pointless or unnecessary?
I use libreoffice the same way I used microsoft office decades ago. Never really cared for ‘advanced’ or even ‘intermediate’ features because they are never necessary to what I’m doing.
I can’t imagine that people who are more computer-illiterate than me getting significantly more involved in what should be simple and easy to use programs.
I feel like almost all the updates of the last two decades have been:
Some of these are important (especially the first two), but the user experience shouldn’t change much for them.
This is a very ignorant and prejudiced take.
AI in Excel is an amazing feature that will help TONNES of people do what they never could It can design tables and write (but not insert) advanced formulas for the user.
Sure, you could say “just be an Excel expert”, but - for example - my daily work is nowhere near Excel. Learning its advanced features would be a 100% waste of time, just to be able to prep a fancy chart every couple of years. So, instead, I can just ask Copilot to do that fancy thing for me, instead of wasting hours online, trying to figure out XLOOKUP, or some such.
As someone who has taught many children how to use excel, the new AI features make using it easier but teaching and learning harder. A lot of stuff now happens automagically, and that makes it harder to see the reasons and structures and language of how it is meant to work. So doing basic stuff is now trivially easy, but learning to become competent enough to do more creative and advanced stuff is more difficult.
Nothing happens automagically. You need to specifically ask Copilot to do something.
This I also don’t fully agree with. Like I mentioned, Copilot won’t automatically place formulas everywhere - it just designs them but you need to copy-paste them into the appropriate spots.
So, yeah, you’re not writing the formulas, but it’s not like the whole thing just magically appears.
Sometimes I think these little updates are just a ruse to upload our personal information without us knowing. I stopped auto-updating a few years ago and only update when the software is not running correctly or something new is introduced.
It’s like this meme:
Alternative to Photoshop: Cracked Photoshop Alternative to Office: cracked office
XD
I have a job that involves working with spreadsheets. I have Librecalc at home and both Libre and MSOffice at work. I have also had a college course about using Excel specifically. Both really can do mostly the same things but because MS does everything in a specific (backwards) way, people trained on MS who are not otherwise “computer people” can’t cope with needing to unlearn and relearn. So the end result is paraprofessionals are locked in.
I really enjoyed spreadsheets before becoming a programmer (I still enjoy them, I just spend less time on them) and basically self taught over the years using Google Sheets.
There are several really useful functions on sheets that simply do not exist in Excel, and there are others that work almost the same but not quite. Having to use Excel drives me insane sometimes because of how clunky it feels.
By contrast, using LibreCalc feels kinda how you’d expect an open source Google Sheets to feel? It’s slightly clunkier, but it gets the job done and generally feels better to use than Excel
I’ve gone full circle
Loved sheets, then hated them because we should just use a DB
Now I do stuff in sheets with a tab explaining how I got the data because I can email it to someone and in 4 months it still answers their questions.
I used sheets because it was portable and flexible, but now I’d almost always just use a db instead.
My main use for excel now is “I need to send data to someone who isn’t a programmer” and doing json > CSV conversions to see if my 3000 rows of data from a 3rd party have all the necessary bits.
I guess it depends, I can make a pivot table in like 30 seconds, which is faster than setting up and loading data into a notebook.
Pandas killed VBA for me that was about the only reason I had to use an ms office suite
I like LibreOffice, but I prefer Onlyoffice.
Microsoft Office is adding in AI? Spreadsheets can take a lot of work to create, I can just imaging an AI tool going in the messing one little thing up, and it being near impossible to find the error. Or not even know your calculations aren’t being done the way you want.
I’m not jazzed about AI in document editors and spreadsheet software because I’m dyslexic enough that I have trouble finding some big errors.
Copilot can design a table, and even fill out some data, but it won’t input any formulas. It will write them for you and tell you where to put them, but you have to copy-paste them on your own.
Also, with versioning, even if it did and caused a problem, you could always just roll back to a previous version of the file. Not really an issue.
Excel is maybe the one place I can see AI being useful because lots of people can describe what they want a spreadsheet to do but not actually do it.
I just wouldn’t trust it to do it right
Exactly.
Which means you have to check each and every formula and we all now how difficult it is to read and understand excel formulas we didn’t write ourselves…
I find the ones I write myself hard enough to parse after 15 minutes of writing them.
It doesn’t put formulas into the cells. It will write the formula for you, but you have to put it in yourself.
Also, there’s versioning in Office, so your spreadsheet blowing up for whatever reason isn’t a problem at all - just roll back to the previous version of the file.
I just find it better, to do a little research on formulas, and figuring it out yourself. You’ll become better at spreadsheets. I’d have to try it though, it would depend on the actual implementation of it.
Great! Thing is: a day only has 24 hours and right now I need to get better at managing IT infrastructure and business processes, not spreadshets.
If you have the time to research Excel - go for it! Absolutely nobody is forcing you to use Copilot.
Besides the jank, you can set up libreoffice inside a docker container and server it over https. There you now have cheap-ass MS365.
There’s also a network version of LO.
Microsoft is going to make the S, E, A, R, and . characters subscription only for $1.99 / month.
So we’ll have to go to libre office to spell arse?
Correct, you can call Microsoft arse and any variant thereof for free on LibreOffice.
My biggest pet peeve is since it’s a suite rather than separate programs, there’s only one path for saving files that’s saved. So you can’t have Writer save to a different location from Calc automatically.
As someone with a lot of files and folders, and a hatred of having to click around too much, this annoys the shit out of me. But I don’t think there’s any way around it because of how the program was created. It’s literally the one thing keeping me from switching.
Do you pin favorites? If you don’t, maybe that could help
You can request features on their website! It’s called enhancement request, go and contribute :)
Hopefully more of us make donations. Free is good, but it’s nice to contribute even small amounts to your well used FOSS apps
LibreCalc and python for the win! I just love from bs4 import BeautifulSoup, import json, import re, import urllib.request.
European countries should adopt linux and these alternatives instead of paying for windows and Microsoft. Much more private too.
and also its not american! linux is great! but imagine iwth more investment and programs need to make the apps beter compitable with linux! linux will be way better
I managed to get my father in law to fully switch to libreoffice, which is in itself a great achievement, as he’s almost 70 and he used to be an msoffice user for most of his adult professional life.
Libreoffice is just great and Europe should start backing and using more open source, non greedy corporate backed projects.
Hi, I hope you don’t mind me asking how you achieved this, my father is 79 and has Parkinsons with hearing problems, he’s deaf in one ear and partially in other ear, so he has personality issues, really can be stubborn and difficult to deal with, been having trouble getting him away from Microsoft products like Windows or Office, any ideas or advice be really helpful and appreciated, ty :o)
Well, I guess there is no universal answer and it obviously can’t be some generic method of achieving this,but what I did was to explain in detail how MsOffice is basically just a standard because people made it so out of convenience and lack of true alternatives and it’s not cheap, plus whatever is made freely available by a corporation means it’s actually you paying with your data for it.
It’s a process and you’d have to convince him to at least allow you to show them side by side or explain how it’s always up to date and you don’t have to throw money at it every x years just because it’s called MsOffice202x, because the benefits of upgrading are not worth the money.
It ain’t easy, I know… but I am also providing support myself when requested, which can become a headache fast, especially with “difficult” people.
See it wasn’t that hard:
FOSS software will win eventually. It may take time, but if good FOSS software is being built by enthusiasts then a time will come where proprietary software fucks up. And when it does, FOSS is ready to take it’s place. And as soon as FOSS has become a standard in some field, why would there ever be a need to go back to proprietary?
Maybe. I thought and fought for this from the 1990s on my own small ways with no luck and only to see the rise and rise of walled garden, proprietary, bullshit software.
The issue is end users have the prescience of a gold fish, i have zero solutions to that.
Obligatory comment that endorses pirating software. We need to make sure this stereotype about Lemmy remains accurate.