Amen. Monitors, digital signage and, as you said, business projectors are the way. CEC, auto input switching and ARC are all the smarts I want in a TV.
Speculater@lemmy.world
on 14 Mar 2024 16:05
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Going to a projector was the best move for me. Easy HDMI and Plex steams seamlessly.
rizoid@lemmy.dbzer0.com
on 14 Mar 2024 16:19
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I’ve got an order out for a digital signage display to replace my living room tv. It was more than I would’ve spent on a “smart” tv but it’s a dumb box that I can plug anything I want into. If they sold dumb TV’s still I’d probably upgrade some of the other TV’s my family has, but fuck smart TV’s.
paraphrand@lemmy.world
on 14 Mar 2024 18:08
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What’s the go-to vendor/manufacturer for this sort of dumb tv these days?
rizoid@lemmy.dbzer0.com
on 14 Mar 2024 18:51
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Sharp NEC is the brand I bought from. They have models you can put a raspberry pi directly inside of it. I’ve got a pi with librelec waiting for the screen to show up. However they’re really expensive. Sceptre makes more affordable dumb TV’s but they don’t make very large ones.
deranger@sh.itjust.works
on 14 Mar 2024 22:10
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I heard the color accuracy and gamut on these signage displays are terrible. Know if there’s any reviews out there with this kinda info?
rizoid@lemmy.dbzer0.com
on 14 Mar 2024 22:36
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The 85 inch display I’ve got coming is listed as 4k HDR with full array local dimming. As far as actual accuracy is concerned, I’ve heard good things about Sharp NEC specifically but I won’t know until my unit eventually arrives.
toddestan@lemmy.world
on 15 Mar 2024 04:20
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How do they compare to TVs? At least the last time I looked into it, pretty much every TV was terrible compared to even a halfway decent computer monitor.
deranger@sh.itjust.works
on 15 Mar 2024 04:33
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OLED TVs are insanely good and spoiled using the computer altogether for me, until I got an OLED monitor. At least on my LG B2, the color gamut and contrast are extremely good. I can’t stand LCDs for anything dark as the backlight bleed really washes out the picture.
jol@discuss.tchncs.de
on 14 Mar 2024 22:53
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If you’re willing to pay up, there’s some amazing new laser projectors that can be placed just a few inches from the wall, so basically where your TV would sit, and are super bright. I saw some YouTube videos about some models from LG. They cost 2k or more depending on the model.
It’s only 1080p but no more than we watch it, didn’t think it was worth spending extra money for 4K.
lemmyvore@feddit.nl
on 14 Mar 2024 13:44
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They’ll pry my 10-year old non-smart TV out of my dead cold hands. It’s a 1080p Toshiba that can connect to anything (4x HDMI, VGA, composite, component, SCART, coax and satellite), has a CI/CI+ slot, has DLNA support, and can record/replay using a USB SSD. The only regret I have is that I should’ve bought the larger model.
Okay, so people have less disposable income than they did a few years ago, and less need for indoor entertainment devices than they did during the pandemic. Is it really surprising that fewer purchases are being made? (Plus, did they include “digital signage” and monitors with HDMI inputs when they were compiling the statistics?)
dual_sport_dork@lemmy.world
on 14 Mar 2024 13:52
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That’s because there’s no reason for most people to buy another TV. The majority of people who would want one already have a TV, and there has been no technological advancement in the last decade or two that would entice anyone to throw away their already perfectly acceptable large LCD/OLED/whatever television just to buy another one just like it.
The only thing anyone has been able to come up with is making all TV’s internet connected and “smart,” which is a feature that approximately nobody except the MBA’s in charge of the companies cranking them out seems to actually want.
preasket@lemy.lol
on 14 Mar 2024 14:11
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This. Nowadays people mostly buy TVs when their old ones break. There’s no marginal improvement. The industry is here to stay, but its high growth days are in the past.
supercritical@lemmy.world
on 14 Mar 2024 14:56
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We have also seen the budget range improve in quality and affordability. There will always be cheap junk TVs and overly expensive TVs, but that midrange, where most people buy, has become rock solid. There just isn’t much region to upgrade at the moment.
And we’ve mostly hit the limit of usable maximum sizes. For like the last two decades you could upgrade your TV to the next bigger size every few years for the same money you paid for the last one.
I remember starting with a maybe… 21" LCD TV back in 2005ish, and for that money today I could get like 70" TV.
I don’t have space to fit one that large, nor do I have any need for it even if I could.
Ghostalmedia@lemmy.world
on 14 Mar 2024 15:15
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Actually, a LOT of people stream with a smart TV instead of a separate device. More than half in the US.
This tends to track with what I see in my family and friend’s homes. People tend to do couch streaming via the smart TV’s apps.
Personally, I think a fast, separate HDMI CEC device is a MUCH better user experience, and it’s still one remote. But for whatever reason, a lot of people aren’t opting to go with a separate AppleTV, GoogleTV ChromeCast, Roku, game console, etc.
But do they use it because it’s there, or do they actually go out and buy a TV because of the smart features? I’d much rather have a separate device (and do) than use the built in smart features. I would greatly prefer to buy a TV with no smart features and just continue using my AppleTV than have to buy a new TV every time the built in system stopped getting updates.
corsicanguppy@lemmy.ca
on 15 Mar 2024 17:34
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There was a time when people were buying the smart TV because Netflix and Apple were then apps on the TV and used the same remote.
But the apps are old and crunchy, the tv shovels ads at you, and the steamers are no longer offering the value required to make smart TVs a prime consolidation target.
I am looking forward to the contraction of the market and a shift back to “just a TV with 4 HDMIs” models. No tuners even.
soggy_kitty@sopuli.xyz
on 16 Mar 2024 07:38
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Upgraded my £200 dumb LCD to a £1000 OLED 3 years ago. My wife much prefers the simplicity and reliability of the TV remote and inbuilt smart features over separate devices. It’s all personal preference
We were that way as well for a few years. Then the updates cause the sluggishness of the internal processor to become apparent… and then the updates stop completely. An internal smart system can’t be upgraded, external ones can. Not to mention that the HDMI spec will auto start the TVs and put it to the right input automatically when you turn in a connected device.
ColeSloth@discuss.tchncs.de
on 14 Mar 2024 16:42
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Tvs have a short lifespan, now. People have to replace them like every 5 years on average, I’d guess. I think people have less tvs in their homes, though.
The other part of this is that people brought a lot of tvs up to a couple years ago when there was a decade long stretch of LED back-lit tvs. The problem was that there might be 100 leds back there and a single one going out junked the tvs. They were cheaply fixable, but not easily fixable. Most people wouldn’t be able to do it.
ahriboy@lemmy.dbzer0.com
on 14 Mar 2024 20:46
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Vizio
Walmart bought the brand and made it worse with more ads.
DreadPotato@sopuli.xyz
on 15 Mar 2024 13:20
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People replace them that often!? Damn…I have an old 1080p LED tv from Samsung that’s more than a decade old and still going strong. Blacks aren’t the best on it, but not bad enough to warrant an upgrade.
ColeSloth@discuss.tchncs.de
on 15 Mar 2024 18:32
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You kind of got lucky. I have the skills and equipment to find the bad ones and replace those LEDs on them. Keep an eye on Facebook marketplace and it’s impressive how many people will put up their three year old 65+ inch tvs that don’t work for free just to get rid of them because they can’t fit in a trash can.
Getting to the LEDs without breaking anything is usually the hard part. Aside from like a million screws and clips, the screen itself is extremely thin and fragile, and you have to pick it up and move it around without cracking it. Little 40 or 50 inch tvs are fairly easy to do, but those 70+ inch tvs are going to take handled suction cups and a couple of people.
Then finding the burnt out led isn’t much work with the right tools, and neither is soldering on a new led. So much trouble for just a single little LED that I can literally but in rolls of 100 for like $12.
So yeah, your TV breaks because of a 12 cent led. And that’s consumer prices. Samsung probably pays like 5 cents.
The one thing I disagree with is the technological advancement. I feel like there has been advancement, but the problem is the cost of those advancements. No one is pining to drop thousands/tens of thousands of dollars on OLED, Micro-led, or whatever the hell else they have come out with over the years. On top of that the crappy interfaces of these TV’s as well as privacy problems. See the recent roku debacle.
billygoat@catata.fish
on 15 Mar 2024 17:20
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Yep, this here. I have a 10 year old tv and was considering buying a new one last year but it just didn’t seem worth the price for the upgrade.
gothic_lemons@lemmy.world
on 15 Mar 2024 18:56
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More people living at home with parents of roommates, probably mean fewer TVs being sold.
umbrella@lemmy.ml
on 16 Mar 2024 00:48
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people do want smart features on tvs.
they just dont want ads or the privacy nightmare tvs are.
soggy_kitty@sopuli.xyz
on 16 Mar 2024 07:35
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OLED TVs have not been around for two decades.
dual_sport_dork@lemmy.world
on 16 Mar 2024 12:09
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With some exceptions, enthusiasm in technology is in decline in general. We are peaking in terms of rate of progress across the board, from computer speed to smart phone innovation to TV specs. When’s the last time ordinary folks got excited about a new phone release? Who cares about a TV larger than 60 inches? It’s not like most people can even afford a wall big enough to put it on. Who cares about anything more than 4k on a tiny screen?
Meanwhile, the cost of living is only increasing, and consumer trust in product life support is in decline. Stories about TVs listening to private conversations, or holding your device hostage for forced TOS updates, anti-right to repair, the mountain of e-waste and micro plastics, pervasive DRM, enshitified services, subscription hardware…
Should we be surprised? No.
The only thing that gets me excited about tech any more is repairability and offline/local networking.
DrCake@lemmy.world
on 14 Mar 2024 14:01
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Has there really been a killer must-have feature from TVs in the last couple of years? If yours is still working is there a need to buy another?
garretble@lemmy.world
on 14 Mar 2024 14:15
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For gaming probably HDMI 2.1 for higher frame rates, VRR, and/or 40fps with ray tracing and whatnot.
But in general…not really. I just got a new tv for these features plus it having a brighter oled panel than my last one. But at this point I imagine I’ll have this tv for years and years.
garretble@lemmy.world
on 14 Mar 2024 14:35
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I wasn’t arguing most TVs weren’t ok for that.
But as an answer for if there were any “killer features” in TVs for the last few years, better inputs and panel refresh rates are about the best new things outside of brighter OLEDs.
I was playing devil's advocate to that, implying they are not killer features. TV gaming is generally consoles, which are all 60fps in 99% of cases anyway.
TVs with actual new panels or features are far too expensive for people to consider, when their current ones already do the job.
Telodzrum@lemmy.world
on 14 Mar 2024 14:47
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OLED, highly-localized dimming, and HDR10
The thing is, all those features are locked behind units that cost several thousand dollars. So, they’re never going to see large volumes of sales or widespread adoption until they trickle into the sub-$1k and sub-$300 price points.
stealth_cookies@lemmy.ca
on 14 Mar 2024 15:27
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QD-OLED just came into the market in the past couple years and is definitely worth some hype for someone like me that was hanging onto an old plasma, but in general TV’s have been excellent for ages, if you already have an OLED or higher end TV with HDR you probably don’t need to upgrade for a long time.
spyd3r@sh.itjust.works
on 14 Mar 2024 19:16
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If you’ve got disposable income and use the latest tech devices as a status symbol, absolutely.
If you’re going the projector route, I’d say definitely. New laser projectors and screen tech is waaaaaay beyond what it used to be.
If you’re a gamer (or using a TV as a PC monitor) I’d say yes, the tech here has advanced quite a bit, and 4K gaming looks really good if your hardware can support it.
If you’ve got a home theater setup, and are a movie buff, I’d say maybe, depending on how big of screen you want, how much money you want to spend, and how satisfied you are with your current gear. For me I don’t think the latest tech improvements justify the thousands of dollars of new gear I’d have to re-buy just to get 4K/HDR and ATMOS support when most of the movies I watch don’t even have good 5.1 tracks and are still on 480i or 1080p based media because they’re so old.
If you’re a casual viewer of movies, streaming content, and TV shows, absolutely not. Any LED 1080p capable TV that isn’t trash tier is fine.
Gointhefridge@lemm.ee
on 14 Mar 2024 14:23
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Projector guy here. Once you get a taste you don’t wanna go back. The tech has gotten so much better over the last 10 years and short throw projectors are a game changer.
someguy3@lemmy.ca
on 14 Mar 2024 14:34
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Market’s saturated. Why do analysts not understand this? Once you hit a certain size you don’t get much more from a new tv.
systemglitch@lemmy.world
on 14 Mar 2024 14:44
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I just don’t want to own a smart tv, so I’ll stick with what I have.
agitatedpotato@lemmy.world
on 14 Mar 2024 15:03
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Make more dumb TVs and my interest in buying a new one goes up significantly. Im actively avoiding buying a new one even though I have to furninsh a good sized living room and all I have right now is a bit small for the space. It’ll still work.
wizardbeard@lemmy.dbzer0.com
on 14 Mar 2024 15:15
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You can always just not use the smart features, and if you do want them, pick up a chromecast to plug into it. Walmart’s one is like $20 and holds its own against the more expensive ones.
There are tons of dumb TVs out there but they’re more expensive because the ads and data harvesting subsidizes the cost.
I know it’s not a perfect suggestion but I agree with the other comment: buy a smart TV and never connect it to the internet. The vast majority of displays don’t gain anything (outside of the “smart” features) with firmware updates. The exceptions to that are very rare.
It sucks to have to buy a streaming box on top of it but the two items combined is less than a commercial (dumb) display. Even at cost.
Though instead of a Chromecast for streaming, I’d consider an AppleTV…I’m not a fan of Apple but it’s hands down the best streaming box I’ve used outside of a dedicated HTPC.
femtech@midwest.social
on 14 Mar 2024 17:24
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i connect my smart TV, along with IoT devices to an internet only group with DNS adblock. I also use an Xbox for streaming but looking at replacing it with a shield or something once my gamepass runs out.
I keep hearing people say that, but I paid thousands of dollars for my TV to still have ads. The days of if you don’t pay for the product then you are the product is dead. You will pay for it and still be the product regardless of cost.
Well, no Internet connection no ads. I definitely agree it sucks
slumberlust@lemmy.world
on 16 Mar 2024 04:13
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They all ship with default ads.
crossover@lemmy.world
on 16 Mar 2024 12:29
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It’s sad how Apple’s strategy of “just use an actually fast CPU and make a Home Screen without ads” is a breakthrough in the industry. It shows what a fucking mess everyone else is in.
The home screen on an AppleTV has ads, unfortunately. The main thing I like about it is how responsive it is - made possible by both the hardware and software. I also really like the remote, though I preferred the one from a generation or two ago.
What I DON’T like about it is that a few years ago Apple disabled IP control unless you set it up through HomeKit. If you don’t want to use HomeKit, enjoy your IR control.
Bishma@discuss.tchncs.de
on 14 Mar 2024 16:02
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Based on this dip, what do we think the industry will try to push on us to get us to upgrade? Are we see them start to push 8k content or 3D again or “smarter” tv’s?
bus_factor@lemmy.world
on 15 Mar 2024 04:17
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You just know it’s going to be some stupid AI shit.
0x0@programming.dev
on 14 Mar 2024 16:59
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I’ll keep my dumb TVs and monitors over a spysmart tv anytime.
Can’t wait for them to roll out pay-to-use-tv next.
MyNamesNotRobert@lemmynsfw.com
on 14 Mar 2024 23:02
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Especially be sure to avoid anything with ACR (automatic content recognition). If it detects you’re watching content from an unapproved source, it will bug you to watch it on that approved source such as a streaming service. It’s just a software update, or a congress bill away from reporting anyone who watches pirated content on their TV. So just beware.
CrowAirbrush@lemmy.world
on 14 Mar 2024 17:22
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I bought a tv like 8 years ago, the day the warranty went it got issues.
Some annoying bullshit (according to google) has to do with magnets and they are all visible now, it looks like shit but i really don’t give a damn as i rarely care for what is on as long as it’s making sound i don’t need to hear the neighbours.
All i could think was: it still works, fuck this company i’m keeping it.
paraphrand@lemmy.world
on 14 Mar 2024 18:06
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This is incomprehensible. Magnets? Exposed? The TV picture looks like shit but it works?
solrize@lemmy.world
on 14 Mar 2024 19:57
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It’s not just the technology. Why buy a TV when the subscriptions cost a fortune and the shows are crap? We have the Internet now, and watch less TV than before.
HobbitFoot@thelemmy.club
on 14 Mar 2024 19:58
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4K came out in 2012 and 8K just isn’t that popular, in part due to content issues but also people’s eyesight. If you don’t need a new TV now, why would you buy an upgrade?
guywithoutaname@lemm.ee
on 14 Mar 2024 21:55
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TVs are also a product that seems to last, at least on my experience.
jol@discuss.tchncs.de
on 14 Mar 2024 22:48
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Sorry, your TV OS is no longer supported. All your apps will stop working tomorrow. We are sorry for the inconvenience.
Solved
urda@lebowski.social
on 15 Mar 2024 00:23
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Smart people don’t use smart TVs.
Smart people get dumb panels and connect the steaming box / computer of their choice.
JWBananas@lemmy.world
on 15 Mar 2024 02:28
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Smart person here.
The Roku that I purchased 6 years ago just bricked itself until I agreed to forced arbitration. This, of course, has nothing to do with the data breach they just announced.
NutWrench@lemmy.world
on 15 Mar 2024 13:05
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Agreed. You shouldn’t have to trust that some third party software built into your TV won’t abuse your trust and shut everything down until you do what it’s owners want.
I’ve got an external Roku and if it starts being a dick, I can just unplug it and toss it in the trash and I still have a working TV.
jol@discuss.tchncs.de
on 15 Mar 2024 16:35
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Smart people with money perhaps. Not everyone can shell out several times more money to pay for privacy…
Dariusmiles2123@sh.itjust.works
on 15 Mar 2024 18:47
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I don’t agree with this as it sounds a bit elitist.
Some people just don’t want to buy another device and use more electricity to watch a movie.
But I know what you mean.
guywithoutaname@lemm.ee
on 15 Mar 2024 16:02
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Most smart TVs have a dumb mode. As long as you can plug in anything you want you should be fine.
bus_factor@lemmy.world
on 15 Mar 2024 03:04
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I bought a 65" TV in 2013. It’s good enough for me. I don’t need 4k at home. It got zapped after 9 years, but there were tons of power supply boards on eBay for $40 each. Turns out a lot of people break the display and sell the other parts.
Dariusmiles2123@sh.itjust.works
on 15 Mar 2024 18:43
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And it should stay that way. I don’t want another product with planned obsolescence.
They could only try to end your TV by not supporting its apps because of its age, but luckily you can just plug a computer or a console on it to get all the apps you need.
Still, for now, I enjoy using my TV apps with an alternate launcher like Flauncher instead of the normal Android one.
JackFrostNCola@lemmy.world
on 15 Mar 2024 14:52
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Exactly what im thinking.
Is it just that we have in the last few years reached the threshold for large TVs to have come down in price and up in quality for them to be worth the purchase - but also the incentive to get a new tv to have a bigger/higher quality picture isnt worth the upgrade (or just your satisfied with the product you have).
And then factoring in that practically worldwide inflation and cost of living is out of control and people sure can make do without a fancy TV when instead they can have food and pay their rent.
Next article “is streaming dead? We keep putting up prices and consumers are dropping subscriptions!”
michael_palmer@lemmy.sdf.org
on 15 Mar 2024 15:20
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Yesterday I was in an electronics store and saw a 65" 8K TV and a 65" 4K TV. The difference in image clarity is almost imperceptible even if you get up close. Maybe 8K will be useful for huge TVs like 85" or more.
corsicanguppy@lemmy.ca
on 15 Mar 2024 17:43
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You say I need to get my wife to spend her yearly bonus on an 85" 8k TV … for science?
I’ll do it. It’ll be hard to pitch that but dammit it’s for science.
Thcdenton@lemmy.world
on 14 Mar 2024 23:13
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GreatDong3000@lemm.ee
on 14 Mar 2024 23:51
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I haven’t had TV at home for over 7 years now. Never miss it. I thought most peoole would do the same but surprised to see everyone still cares about watching TV broadcasts for some reason. The internet is much better.
tacosplease@lemmy.world
on 15 Mar 2024 00:14
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I use mine for console gaming and YouTube. My kids stream Netflix.
I have technically been watching movies recently on 2 tiny screens. They just happen to be right in front of my eyes, in a device strapped to my head.
AA5B@lemmy.world
on 15 Mar 2024 01:09
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Don’t forget enshittification. I use my TV less and only streaming but am really frustrated by ever more intrusive ads and surveillance. Sometimes I’m just too annoyed to turn on the big TV.
Mine is only 3 years old, but I can definitely see not bothering to get a new one when it’s old, unless they start making dumb TVs again. There are plenty of screens in the house and done of them are less annoying to use
theparadox@lemmy.world
on 15 Mar 2024 03:30
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Absolutely. Dumb TVs going forward. Unfortunate that the best screens like those made by Samsung are ruined by surveillance and hardware that can’t run the “smart” OS for more than a few years without eventually running like dog shit.
ringwraithfish@startrek.website
on 15 Mar 2024 13:12
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Yeah, all manufacturer OSes are shit. Don’t connect the TV to the Internet and use your own preferred streaming device.
michael_palmer@lemmy.sdf.org
on 15 Mar 2024 15:16
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Nothing prevents you from using your Smart TV in the same way as a dumb TV. Just don’t connect your TV to the internet and use a third-party device via HDMI.
Dariusmiles2123@sh.itjust.works
on 15 Mar 2024 18:33
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If you do that, depending on the TV, you might have some system messages and stuff on startup…
But yeah it’s a good start.
michael_palmer@lemmy.sdf.org
on 15 Mar 2024 23:22
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If TV can’t remember last used HDMI port that TV is a shit.
michael_palmer@lemmy.sdf.org
on 15 Mar 2024 23:21
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What is the problem?
TheGrandNagus@lemmy.world
on 15 Mar 2024 23:43
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Many, even when offline, will constantly pester you to connect to a network, or will attempt to connect to any open one it finds.
Some have offline, non-targeted ads from factory.
There have recently been trials of Amazon-powered TVs automatically linking to any Echo devices it can find and using it as a bridge to get internet. I’m unsure if that’s something they’re actually going to go ahead with right now though.
I loved my projector! I found it on ebay for a steal apparently because when I went to find my next one I couldn’t find the same quality for a reasonable price range I could afford at the time. When this TV blows up I’ll probably look at a projector again.
I’m actually in the market for a new tv and have been tempted to go the projector route, especially with the advancements in short throw projectors. However, I’m scared off by the fact that I would like to enjoy the same experience during the day as I would at night. My living room isn’t the ideal dark theater room…
BigTrout75@lemmy.world
on 15 Mar 2024 04:30
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I’ve never seen my son scrolling tv channels. Tv to him it just a large tablet.
glitch1985@lemmy.world
on 15 Mar 2024 04:35
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Or a portal for YouTube
shikitohno@lemmy.world
on 15 Mar 2024 05:02
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I have a TV for when I have time to play games on my PS3 or PS4 these days, but I watch the vast majority of my stuff on my computer. Unless I’m watching something that’s available in 4K that I feel is worth it, why would I bother going to another room just to watch stuff that is streaming off my NAS and accessible on my computer anyway?
I feel like a lot of people just don’t have much reason to turn on their TV to watch stuff unless they still have cable and want to watch live sports.
Chocrates@lemmy.world
on 15 Mar 2024 12:16
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I don’t know what your setup is, but since I work from home I found that I don’t like to be in my office doing shit on my computer that much these days 😞
Just having a screen in another room is helpful to isolate my workday from my free time.
It kinda sucks, I enjoy tinkering with shit on my computer
Shyfer@ttrpg.network
on 15 Mar 2024 16:31
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Same. I’m barely in my office anymore since I started even just a hybrid work from home schedule. It’s good to separate the work space from other spaces imo
For me, our tv room is much more geared towards comfort and lounging, while my computer room is more geared towards work and gaming.
werefreeatlast@lemmy.world
on 15 Mar 2024 05:12
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Yes. We never watch. The kids prefer the iPads … Amazon fires, but don’t tell them…
FunkPhenomenon@lemmy.zip
on 15 Mar 2024 12:00
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I’ve never used my TV except as a monitor for my computer. much cheaper than actual computer monitors (in terms of screen real estate), and much larger as well.
next “monitor” I buy will be the same sized TV though, I really dont need 8k resolution.
Monitors are much better at monitors than TVs, they are clearer and crisper for text.
Chocrates@lemmy.world
on 15 Mar 2024 12:14
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I have Jellyfin stream old sitcom reruns almost all day while I work. I just don’t need to upgrade all that often.
Evotech@lemmy.world
on 15 Mar 2024 15:45
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Tvs peaked with oled
ahriboy@lemmy.dbzer0.com
on 15 Mar 2024 17:18
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And OLED burn-ins are ruining longevity.
soggy_kitty@sopuli.xyz
on 16 Mar 2024 07:34
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TV don’t burn in when you’re watching movies and shows (using it as a TV). All the pixels change often enough to prevent burn in
KingThrillgore@lemmy.ml
on 15 Mar 2024 15:55
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Well they aren’t alive especially when my TV asked me to sign this no lawsuit BS
mPony@lemmy.world
on 15 Mar 2024 17:09
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I’m pretty sure that PEOPLE ALREADY OWN A TV and probably can’t afford to replace it.
I have no intention of replacing mine.
SomeoneElse@lemmy.ca
on 15 Mar 2024 18:58
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My dumb TV is 15 years old. It’s a bit small for the space and there’s a W burned into it but you can only see it on static screens.
I would like a new one but it’s pretty low down on the list of things I need to buy with the 37p I manage to save each month.
Saltarello@lemmy.world
on 15 Mar 2024 20:16
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I dunno if TV is dead per se as we all enjoy watching shows/movies. Not really interested in gimmicks - we only have 4K as all new TV’s are 4K & we only got it because our previous TV failed & they can no longer be repaired.
All i want is a good quality dumb screen. You can stick all your smart features where the sun dont shine, I’ll handle everything via a separate box that I control thank you. I’ll not be at the mercy of your shitty EULA, you won’t monitor my viewing habits or force ads into the UI or remove your dogshit apps without warning. Our TV has never been online, HTPC with a couple of USB TV tuners, uBlock Origin, an interface of my choosing, remote control & lots of storage handles everything. Still perfectly happy watching SD stuff, the only 4K we watch is YouTube.
teamevil@lemmy.world
on 16 Mar 2024 01:25
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SmartTube is better than YouTube
BowtiesAreCool@lemmy.world
on 16 Mar 2024 02:23
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I’ve still got all my 1080p dumb tvs. Works for me
blazeknave@lemmy.world
on 16 Mar 2024 14:11
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How do you configure to keep it offline? Just blocking in dns/router?
ShepherdPie@midwest.social
on 16 Mar 2024 21:25
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Just don’t connect it to your home’s wifi.
TK420@lemmy.world
on 15 Mar 2024 20:22
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Gizmochina doesn’t understand that physical TV sales has nothing to do with “TV being dead,” what a disconnect here.
“TV is dead” because it is full of ads, and crap nobody watches, not because global flat screen TV sales are down.
Damaskox@lemmy.world
on 16 Mar 2024 00:30
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I don’t remember when I watched the telly at home previously. Most of my entertainment are games and then some YouTube and movies not so often (lurking in friend’s online streaming services or googling “watch x for free”).
Stopped watching the television when too many ads erupted even between the movies that were my last interest in this service.
Most of my telly shows I see nowadays are at a friend’s place, and I’m every time annoyed about the amount of ads.
invisiblegorilla@sh.itjust.works
on 16 Mar 2024 10:30
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Maybe if they werent all packed full of preinstalled shit that takes up what measily space is available, didn’t force ads into the menus, and actually had real smart features not the half assed bullshit they put out… People might upgrade TVs…
Also… The content just isn’t there these days. Movies are crap and rehashes of the same old shit, series are generic and characterless and even music sounds shitter than it used to be.
Fuck all your media whether its social or propaganda you bunch of nosy data mining cunts… The next phase is going to be worse with empty AI generated shit with zero originality.
squirrelwithnut@lemmy.world
on 16 Mar 2024 13:43
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Go back to selling “dumb” sets and I’d buy 4 brand new, big TVs right now. Seriously, I would replace both of my existing TV’s and finally get ones for the other major rooms in my house almost immediately. But I won’t, because all you can get now are smart TVs and smart TVs are just fucking awful.
ShepherdPie@midwest.social
on 16 Mar 2024 20:45
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I wouldn’t mind basic TVs being sold again, but you can just buy any smart TV and not connect it to the internet in order to have the functional equivalent of a dumb TV. I always just use Rokus or other external streaming devices rather than the constantly out-of-date TV streaming apps native to the TV itself.
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Most of them are dead to me. Sell me a dumb TV or sell me nothing.
My last two purchases were a 32" PC monitor for the guest room and a projector for the main room. Both connected to a Roku and media center PC.
I don’t own one, but even if I did, I sure as hell would not want a smart television. So I completely agree with you.
Amen. Monitors, digital signage and, as you said, business projectors are the way. CEC, auto input switching and ARC are all the smarts I want in a TV.
Going to a projector was the best move for me. Easy HDMI and Plex steams seamlessly.
I’ve got an order out for a digital signage display to replace my living room tv. It was more than I would’ve spent on a “smart” tv but it’s a dumb box that I can plug anything I want into. If they sold dumb TV’s still I’d probably upgrade some of the other TV’s my family has, but fuck smart TV’s.
What’s the go-to vendor/manufacturer for this sort of dumb tv these days?
Sharp NEC is the brand I bought from. They have models you can put a raspberry pi directly inside of it. I’ve got a pi with librelec waiting for the screen to show up. However they’re really expensive. Sceptre makes more affordable dumb TV’s but they don’t make very large ones.
I heard the color accuracy and gamut on these signage displays are terrible. Know if there’s any reviews out there with this kinda info?
The 85 inch display I’ve got coming is listed as 4k HDR with full array local dimming. As far as actual accuracy is concerned, I’ve heard good things about Sharp NEC specifically but I won’t know until my unit eventually arrives.
How do they compare to TVs? At least the last time I looked into it, pretty much every TV was terrible compared to even a halfway decent computer monitor.
OLED TVs are insanely good and spoiled using the computer altogether for me, until I got an OLED monitor. At least on my LG B2, the color gamut and contrast are extremely good. I can’t stand LCDs for anything dark as the backlight bleed really washes out the picture.
Which projector?
If you’re willing to pay up, there’s some amazing new laser projectors that can be placed just a few inches from the wall, so basically where your TV would sit, and are super bright. I saw some YouTube videos about some models from LG. They cost 2k or more depending on the model.
Oh pricy! That sounds amazing though, I’ll look into it
Yup. I’m hoping the prices do down at least 50% before i even consider one, but I’ll be watching this space.
This one. Loving it so far.
It’s only 1080p but no more than we watch it, didn’t think it was worth spending extra money for 4K.
They’ll pry my 10-year old non-smart TV out of my dead cold hands. It’s a 1080p Toshiba that can connect to anything (4x HDMI, VGA, composite, component, SCART, coax and satellite), has a CI/CI+ slot, has DLNA support, and can record/replay using a USB SSD. The only regret I have is that I should’ve bought the larger model.
Okay, so people have less disposable income than they did a few years ago, and less need for indoor entertainment devices than they did during the pandemic. Is it really surprising that fewer purchases are being made? (Plus, did they include “digital signage” and monitors with HDMI inputs when they were compiling the statistics?)
That’s because there’s no reason for most people to buy another TV. The majority of people who would want one already have a TV, and there has been no technological advancement in the last decade or two that would entice anyone to throw away their already perfectly acceptable large LCD/OLED/whatever television just to buy another one just like it.
The only thing anyone has been able to come up with is making all TV’s internet connected and “smart,” which is a feature that approximately nobody except the MBA’s in charge of the companies cranking them out seems to actually want.
This. Nowadays people mostly buy TVs when their old ones break. There’s no marginal improvement. The industry is here to stay, but its high growth days are in the past.
We have also seen the budget range improve in quality and affordability. There will always be cheap junk TVs and overly expensive TVs, but that midrange, where most people buy, has become rock solid. There just isn’t much region to upgrade at the moment.
And we’ve mostly hit the limit of usable maximum sizes. For like the last two decades you could upgrade your TV to the next bigger size every few years for the same money you paid for the last one.
I remember starting with a maybe… 21" LCD TV back in 2005ish, and for that money today I could get like 70" TV. I don’t have space to fit one that large, nor do I have any need for it even if I could.
Actually, a LOT of people stream with a smart TV instead of a separate device. More than half in the US.
gitnux.org/smart-tv-sales-statistics/
This tends to track with what I see in my family and friend’s homes. People tend to do couch streaming via the smart TV’s apps.
Personally, I think a fast, separate HDMI CEC device is a MUCH better user experience, and it’s still one remote. But for whatever reason, a lot of people aren’t opting to go with a separate AppleTV, GoogleTV ChromeCast, Roku, game console, etc.
But do they use it because it’s there, or do they actually go out and buy a TV because of the smart features? I’d much rather have a separate device (and do) than use the built in smart features. I would greatly prefer to buy a TV with no smart features and just continue using my AppleTV than have to buy a new TV every time the built in system stopped getting updates.
There was a time when people were buying the smart TV because Netflix and Apple were then apps on the TV and used the same remote.
But the apps are old and crunchy, the tv shovels ads at you, and the steamers are no longer offering the value required to make smart TVs a prime consolidation target.
I am looking forward to the contraction of the market and a shift back to “just a TV with 4 HDMIs” models. No tuners even.
Upgraded my £200 dumb LCD to a £1000 OLED 3 years ago. My wife much prefers the simplicity and reliability of the TV remote and inbuilt smart features over separate devices. It’s all personal preference
We were that way as well for a few years. Then the updates cause the sluggishness of the internal processor to become apparent… and then the updates stop completely. An internal smart system can’t be upgraded, external ones can. Not to mention that the HDMI spec will auto start the TVs and put it to the right input automatically when you turn in a connected device.
Tvs have a short lifespan, now. People have to replace them like every 5 years on average, I’d guess. I think people have less tvs in their homes, though.
The other part of this is that people brought a lot of tvs up to a couple years ago when there was a decade long stretch of LED back-lit tvs. The problem was that there might be 100 leds back there and a single one going out junked the tvs. They were cheaply fixable, but not easily fixable. Most people wouldn’t be able to do it.
Less if you went with Visio lol
Walmart bought the brand and made it worse with more ads.
People replace them that often!? Damn…I have an old 1080p LED tv from Samsung that’s more than a decade old and still going strong. Blacks aren’t the best on it, but not bad enough to warrant an upgrade.
You kind of got lucky. I have the skills and equipment to find the bad ones and replace those LEDs on them. Keep an eye on Facebook marketplace and it’s impressive how many people will put up their three year old 65+ inch tvs that don’t work for free just to get rid of them because they can’t fit in a trash can.
Getting to the LEDs without breaking anything is usually the hard part. Aside from like a million screws and clips, the screen itself is extremely thin and fragile, and you have to pick it up and move it around without cracking it. Little 40 or 50 inch tvs are fairly easy to do, but those 70+ inch tvs are going to take handled suction cups and a couple of people.
Then finding the burnt out led isn’t much work with the right tools, and neither is soldering on a new led. So much trouble for just a single little LED that I can literally but in rolls of 100 for like $12.
So yeah, your TV breaks because of a 12 cent led. And that’s consumer prices. Samsung probably pays like 5 cents.
That’s what the article says… People don’t replace them as quickly anymore
The one thing I disagree with is the technological advancement. I feel like there has been advancement, but the problem is the cost of those advancements. No one is pining to drop thousands/tens of thousands of dollars on OLED, Micro-led, or whatever the hell else they have come out with over the years. On top of that the crappy interfaces of these TV’s as well as privacy problems. See the recent roku debacle.
Yep, this here. I have a 10 year old tv and was considering buying a new one last year but it just didn’t seem worth the price for the upgrade.
More people living at home with parents of roommates, probably mean fewer TVs being sold.
people do want smart features on tvs.
they just dont want ads or the privacy nightmare tvs are.
OLED TVs have not been around for two decades.
Pretty damn close to it.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sony_XEL-1
It took a little longer for them to become mainstream. But even so, an ordinary LCD screen is perfectly acceptable to most people.
With some exceptions, enthusiasm in technology is in decline in general. We are peaking in terms of rate of progress across the board, from computer speed to smart phone innovation to TV specs. When’s the last time ordinary folks got excited about a new phone release? Who cares about a TV larger than 60 inches? It’s not like most people can even afford a wall big enough to put it on. Who cares about anything more than 4k on a tiny screen?
Meanwhile, the cost of living is only increasing, and consumer trust in product life support is in decline. Stories about TVs listening to private conversations, or holding your device hostage for forced TOS updates, anti-right to repair, the mountain of e-waste and micro plastics, pervasive DRM, enshitified services, subscription hardware…
Should we be surprised? No.
The only thing that gets me excited about tech any more is repairability and offline/local networking.
Has there really been a killer must-have feature from TVs in the last couple of years? If yours is still working is there a need to buy another?
For gaming probably HDMI 2.1 for higher frame rates, VRR, and/or 40fps with ray tracing and whatnot.
But in general…not really. I just got a new tv for these features plus it having a brighter oled panel than my last one. But at this point I imagine I’ll have this tv for years and years.
For gaming you are better off with a proper monitor.
Not if I want to play on a giant screen in my living room on my couch with proper, nice surround sound.
And most TVs will work just fine for that.
I wasn’t arguing most TVs weren’t ok for that.
But as an answer for if there were any “killer features” in TVs for the last few years, better inputs and panel refresh rates are about the best new things outside of brighter OLEDs.
I was playing devil's advocate to that, implying they are not killer features. TV gaming is generally consoles, which are all 60fps in 99% of cases anyway.
TVs with actual new panels or features are far too expensive for people to consider, when their current ones already do the job.
OLED, highly-localized dimming, and HDR10
The thing is, all those features are locked behind units that cost several thousand dollars. So, they’re never going to see large volumes of sales or widespread adoption until they trickle into the sub-$1k and sub-$300 price points.
QD-OLED just came into the market in the past couple years and is definitely worth some hype for someone like me that was hanging onto an old plasma, but in general TV’s have been excellent for ages, if you already have an OLED or higher end TV with HDR you probably don’t need to upgrade for a long time.
If you’ve got disposable income and use the latest tech devices as a status symbol, absolutely.
If you’re going the projector route, I’d say definitely. New laser projectors and screen tech is waaaaaay beyond what it used to be.
If you’re a gamer (or using a TV as a PC monitor) I’d say yes, the tech here has advanced quite a bit, and 4K gaming looks really good if your hardware can support it.
If you’ve got a home theater setup, and are a movie buff, I’d say maybe, depending on how big of screen you want, how much money you want to spend, and how satisfied you are with your current gear. For me I don’t think the latest tech improvements justify the thousands of dollars of new gear I’d have to re-buy just to get 4K/HDR and ATMOS support when most of the movies I watch don’t even have good 5.1 tracks and are still on 480i or 1080p based media because they’re so old.
If you’re a casual viewer of movies, streaming content, and TV shows, absolutely not. Any LED 1080p capable TV that isn’t trash tier is fine.
Projector guy here. Once you get a taste you don’t wanna go back. The tech has gotten so much better over the last 10 years and short throw projectors are a game changer.
Market’s saturated. Why do analysts not understand this? Once you hit a certain size you don’t get much more from a new tv.
B-b-but… line must go up!
I just don’t want to own a smart tv, so I’ll stick with what I have.
Make more dumb TVs and my interest in buying a new one goes up significantly. Im actively avoiding buying a new one even though I have to furninsh a good sized living room and all I have right now is a bit small for the space. It’ll still work.
You can always just not use the smart features, and if you do want them, pick up a chromecast to plug into it. Walmart’s one is like $20 and holds its own against the more expensive ones.
There are tons of dumb TVs out there but they’re more expensive because the ads and data harvesting subsidizes the cost.
I know it’s not a perfect suggestion but I agree with the other comment: buy a smart TV and never connect it to the internet. The vast majority of displays don’t gain anything (outside of the “smart” features) with firmware updates. The exceptions to that are very rare.
It sucks to have to buy a streaming box on top of it but the two items combined is less than a commercial (dumb) display. Even at cost.
Though instead of a Chromecast for streaming, I’d consider an AppleTV…I’m not a fan of Apple but it’s hands down the best streaming box I’ve used outside of a dedicated HTPC.
i connect my smart TV, along with IoT devices to an internet only group with DNS adblock. I also use an Xbox for streaming but looking at replacing it with a shield or something once my gamepass runs out.
That works, too. I just assumed most people don’t have the knowledge or hardware to vlan
I keep hearing people say that, but I paid thousands of dollars for my TV to still have ads. The days of if you don’t pay for the product then you are the product is dead. You will pay for it and still be the product regardless of cost.
Well, no Internet connection no ads. I definitely agree it sucks
They all ship with default ads.
It’s sad how Apple’s strategy of “just use an actually fast CPU and make a Home Screen without ads” is a breakthrough in the industry. It shows what a fucking mess everyone else is in.
The home screen on an AppleTV has ads, unfortunately. The main thing I like about it is how responsive it is - made possible by both the hardware and software. I also really like the remote, though I preferred the one from a generation or two ago.
What I DON’T like about it is that a few years ago Apple disabled IP control unless you set it up through HomeKit. If you don’t want to use HomeKit, enjoy your IR control.
Based on this dip, what do we think the industry will try to push on us to get us to upgrade? Are we see them start to push 8k content or 3D again or “smarter” tv’s?
You just know it’s going to be some stupid AI shit.
I’ll keep my dumb TVs and monitors over a
spysmart tv anytime. Can’t wait for them to roll out pay-to-use-tv next.Especially be sure to avoid anything with ACR (automatic content recognition). If it detects you’re watching content from an unapproved source, it will bug you to watch it on that approved source such as a streaming service. It’s just a software update, or a congress bill away from reporting anyone who watches pirated content on their TV. So just beware.
I bought a tv like 8 years ago, the day the warranty went it got issues.
Some annoying bullshit (according to google) has to do with magnets and they are all visible now, it looks like shit but i really don’t give a damn as i rarely care for what is on as long as it’s making sound i don’t need to hear the neighbours.
All i could think was: it still works, fuck this company i’m keeping it.
This is incomprehensible. Magnets? Exposed? The TV picture looks like shit but it works?
It’s not just the technology. Why buy a TV when the subscriptions cost a fortune and the shows are crap? We have the Internet now, and watch less TV than before.
4K came out in 2012 and 8K just isn’t that popular, in part due to content issues but also people’s eyesight. If you don’t need a new TV now, why would you buy an upgrade?
TVs are also a product that seems to last, at least on my experience.
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Smart people don’t use smart TVs.
Smart people get dumb panels and connect the steaming box / computer of their choice.
Smart person here.
The Roku that I purchased 6 years ago just bricked itself until I agreed to forced arbitration. This, of course, has nothing to do with the data breach they just announced.
Agreed. You shouldn’t have to trust that some third party software built into your TV won’t abuse your trust and shut everything down until you do what it’s owners want.
I’ve got an external Roku and if it starts being a dick, I can just unplug it and toss it in the trash and I still have a working TV.
Smart people with money perhaps. Not everyone can shell out several times more money to pay for privacy…
I don’t agree with this as it sounds a bit elitist.
Some people just don’t want to buy another device and use more electricity to watch a movie.
But I know what you mean.
Most smart TVs have a dumb mode. As long as you can plug in anything you want you should be fine.
I bought a 65" TV in 2013. It’s good enough for me. I don’t need 4k at home. It got zapped after 9 years, but there were tons of power supply boards on eBay for $40 each. Turns out a lot of people break the display and sell the other parts.
And it should stay that way. I don’t want another product with planned obsolescence.
They could only try to end your TV by not supporting its apps because of its age, but luckily you can just plug a computer or a console on it to get all the apps you need.
Still, for now, I enjoy using my TV apps with an alternate launcher like Flauncher instead of the normal Android one.
Exactly what im thinking.
Is it just that we have in the last few years reached the threshold for large TVs to have come down in price and up in quality for them to be worth the purchase - but also the incentive to get a new tv to have a bigger/higher quality picture isnt worth the upgrade (or just your satisfied with the product you have).
And then factoring in that practically worldwide inflation and cost of living is out of control and people sure can make do without a fancy TV when instead they can have food and pay their rent.
Next article “is streaming dead? We keep putting up prices and consumers are dropping subscriptions!”
Yesterday I was in an electronics store and saw a 65" 8K TV and a 65" 4K TV. The difference in image clarity is almost imperceptible even if you get up close. Maybe 8K will be useful for huge TVs like 85" or more.
You say I need to get my wife to spend her yearly bonus on an 85" 8k TV … for science?
I’ll do it. It’ll be hard to pitch that but dammit it’s for science.
I won’t buy another tv. Only dumb monitors now.
Link a dumb Monitor that is 65 inch pls
www.amazon.com/…/B0C9FYV957?tag=muo-v2-6s352jf-20…
I haven’t had TV at home for over 7 years now. Never miss it. I thought most peoole would do the same but surprised to see everyone still cares about watching TV broadcasts for some reason. The internet is much better.
I use mine for console gaming and YouTube. My kids stream Netflix.
Um TVs are not limited to tv broadcasts. Netflix, gaming, YouTube, etc.
Ight, been a long time I haven’t played console games so I forgot about those. Otherwise everything else I do on my laptop or phone just fine.
Hmm watch a movie on a 6" screen or 60" screen…
I have technically been watching movies recently on 2 tiny screens. They just happen to be right in front of my eyes, in a device strapped to my head.
Don’t forget enshittification. I use my TV less and only streaming but am really frustrated by ever more intrusive ads and surveillance. Sometimes I’m just too annoyed to turn on the big TV.
Mine is only 3 years old, but I can definitely see not bothering to get a new one when it’s old, unless they start making dumb TVs again. There are plenty of screens in the house and done of them are less annoying to use
Absolutely. Dumb TVs going forward. Unfortunate that the best screens like those made by Samsung are ruined by surveillance and hardware that can’t run the “smart” OS for more than a few years without eventually running like dog shit.
Yeah, all manufacturer OSes are shit. Don’t connect the TV to the Internet and use your own preferred streaming device.
Nothing prevents you from using your Smart TV in the same way as a dumb TV. Just don’t connect your TV to the internet and use a third-party device via HDMI.
If you do that, depending on the TV, you might have some system messages and stuff on startup…
But yeah it’s a good start.
If TV can’t remember last used HDMI port that TV is a shit.
Ahhhh if only it were that easy
What is the problem?
Many, even when offline, will constantly pester you to connect to a network, or will attempt to connect to any open one it finds.
Some have offline, non-targeted ads from factory.
There have recently been trials of Amazon-powered TVs automatically linking to any Echo devices it can find and using it as a bridge to get internet. I’m unsure if that’s something they’re actually going to go ahead with right now though.
Roku doesn’t let you use your device unless you accept their TOS for example.
I hope.
I bought a projector not too long ago. I’ll never go back.
I loved my projector! I found it on ebay for a steal apparently because when I went to find my next one I couldn’t find the same quality for a reasonable price range I could afford at the time. When this TV blows up I’ll probably look at a projector again.
I’m actually in the market for a new tv and have been tempted to go the projector route, especially with the advancements in short throw projectors. However, I’m scared off by the fact that I would like to enjoy the same experience during the day as I would at night. My living room isn’t the ideal dark theater room…
I’ve never seen my son scrolling tv channels. Tv to him it just a large tablet.
Or a portal for YouTube
I have a TV for when I have time to play games on my PS3 or PS4 these days, but I watch the vast majority of my stuff on my computer. Unless I’m watching something that’s available in 4K that I feel is worth it, why would I bother going to another room just to watch stuff that is streaming off my NAS and accessible on my computer anyway?
I feel like a lot of people just don’t have much reason to turn on their TV to watch stuff unless they still have cable and want to watch live sports.
I don’t know what your setup is, but since I work from home I found that I don’t like to be in my office doing shit on my computer that much these days 😞
Just having a screen in another room is helpful to isolate my workday from my free time.
It kinda sucks, I enjoy tinkering with shit on my computer
Same. I’m barely in my office anymore since I started even just a hybrid work from home schedule. It’s good to separate the work space from other spaces imo
For me, our tv room is much more geared towards comfort and lounging, while my computer room is more geared towards work and gaming.
Yes. We never watch. The kids prefer the iPads … Amazon fires, but don’t tell them…
I’ve never used my TV except as a monitor for my computer. much cheaper than actual computer monitors (in terms of screen real estate), and much larger as well.
next “monitor” I buy will be the same sized TV though, I really dont need 8k resolution.
Monitors are much better at monitors than TVs, they are clearer and crisper for text.
I have Jellyfin stream old sitcom reruns almost all day while I work. I just don’t need to upgrade all that often.
Tvs peaked with oled
And OLED burn-ins are ruining longevity.
TV don’t burn in when you’re watching movies and shows (using it as a TV). All the pixels change often enough to prevent burn in
Well they aren’t alive especially when my TV asked me to sign this no lawsuit BS
I’m pretty sure that PEOPLE ALREADY OWN A TV and probably can’t afford to replace it.
I have no intention of replacing mine.
My dumb TV is 15 years old. It’s a bit small for the space and there’s a W burned into it but you can only see it on static screens.
I would like a new one but it’s pretty low down on the list of things I need to buy with the 37p I manage to save each month.
I dunno if TV is dead per se as we all enjoy watching shows/movies. Not really interested in gimmicks - we only have 4K as all new TV’s are 4K & we only got it because our previous TV failed & they can no longer be repaired.
All i want is a good quality dumb screen. You can stick all your smart features where the sun dont shine, I’ll handle everything via a separate box that I control thank you. I’ll not be at the mercy of your shitty EULA, you won’t monitor my viewing habits or force ads into the UI or remove your dogshit apps without warning. Our TV has never been online, HTPC with a couple of USB TV tuners, uBlock Origin, an interface of my choosing, remote control & lots of storage handles everything. Still perfectly happy watching SD stuff, the only 4K we watch is YouTube.
SmartTube is better than YouTube
I’ve still got all my 1080p dumb tvs. Works for me
How do you configure to keep it offline? Just blocking in dns/router?
Just don’t connect it to your home’s wifi.
Gizmochina doesn’t understand that physical TV sales has nothing to do with “TV being dead,” what a disconnect here.
“TV is dead” because it is full of ads, and crap nobody watches, not because global flat screen TV sales are down.
I don’t remember when I watched the telly at home previously. Most of my entertainment are games and then some YouTube and movies not so often (lurking in friend’s online streaming services or googling “watch x for free”).
Stopped watching the television when too many ads erupted even between the movies that were my last interest in this service.
Most of my telly shows I see nowadays are at a friend’s place, and I’m every time annoyed about the amount of ads.
Maybe if they werent all packed full of preinstalled shit that takes up what measily space is available, didn’t force ads into the menus, and actually had real smart features not the half assed bullshit they put out… People might upgrade TVs…
Also… The content just isn’t there these days. Movies are crap and rehashes of the same old shit, series are generic and characterless and even music sounds shitter than it used to be.
Fuck all your media whether its social or propaganda you bunch of nosy data mining cunts… The next phase is going to be worse with empty AI generated shit with zero originality.
Go back to selling “dumb” sets and I’d buy 4 brand new, big TVs right now. Seriously, I would replace both of my existing TV’s and finally get ones for the other major rooms in my house almost immediately. But I won’t, because all you can get now are smart TVs and smart TVs are just fucking awful.
I wouldn’t mind basic TVs being sold again, but you can just buy any smart TV and not connect it to the internet in order to have the functional equivalent of a dumb TV. I always just use Rokus or other external streaming devices rather than the constantly out-of-date TV streaming apps native to the TV itself.