I imagine, that’s most governments. The political pushback will be lessened a lot, if people lose interest, so then a block is more likely to go through.
Contend6248@feddit.de
on 20 Mar 2024 21:13
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Politics going for worthless easy quick wins instead of lasting changes for the better has a history of it’s own.
LifeOfChance@lemmy.world
on 20 Mar 2024 18:06
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TikTok is just pushing advertisements and people who promote their shop. In-between you have 2 or 3 videos where it’s on of the few trends going around.
charonn0@startrek.website
on 20 Mar 2024 18:25
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We’ve been covering many stories about a potential TikTok ban, including how unconstitutional it clearly is, how pointless it clearly is, and how even those who back it don’t seem to have a good explanation of why, beyond some vague handwaving about “China.”
The bill isn’t nearly as bad as they want you to think. It bans companies in Russia, China, North Korea, and Iran from operating social media apps in US markets, forcing them to sell if they already do. These four countries are already restricted from accessing sensitive parts of the US economy, with forced sale being a legal option. Really, the only novel part of the bill is applying these kinds of restrictions to software.
And the bill doesn’t actually punish or restrain users’ speech. It does restrain the social media company’s speech, but that may not be enough to overturn the bill on 1st amendment grounds. If you understand that social media exists to collect vast amounts of user data then you must also understand how the government has a legitimate interest in keeping that data out of an adversary’s hands. The only real question is whether the government has a compelling interest, because that’s the standard that a court would apply to this bill. And I daresay it might.
cm0002@lemmy.world
on 20 Mar 2024 18:56
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I hate the amount of data American social media companies collect and what they do with it
I REALLY hate having Chinese or Russian or [Insert Authoritarian Hostile Country] doing it.
American companies do it for the pursuit of profits, Companies from these countries are doing it to topple our government or whatever.
You do know that those mere profits are used to purchase whatever they want from the government, right?
match@pawb.social
on 20 Mar 2024 20:34
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this but the opposite, Chinese social media companies are taking my data for profit, American social media is doing it to topple the US government (also for profit)
Semi_Hemi_Demigod@lemmy.world
on 20 Mar 2024 20:39
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What if it becomes profitable to overthrow the government?
TORFdot0@lemmy.world
on 20 Mar 2024 22:09
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Then you have the failed “Business Plot” of the 30’s meant to overthrow FDR
DAMunzy@lemmy.dbzer0.com
on 20 Mar 2024 22:50
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It’s profitable for the companies to sell it to the government… Basically just adds a step to the government getting it
conciselyverbose@sh.itjust.works
on 20 Mar 2024 19:30
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Yeah, it’s very clearly not unconstitutional.
The constitution doesn’t grant jack shit for rights to enemy states.
abhibeckert@lemmy.world
on 20 Mar 2024 20:10
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While I agree - the part you’re missing is the vast majority of TikTok users are outside the United States.
TikTok doesn’t want to sell. They want some sort of “independent” subsidiary where ByteDance still profits from (and controls) TikTok and the subsidiary worries about compliance with US law. But the thing is, that’s already the current structure.
I wouldn’t be surprised if they refuse to sell and wind up being banned. ByteDance doesn’t want to lose all their US customers, but they’d likely prefer that to selling.
spongebue@lemmy.world
on 21 Mar 2024 10:10
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the vast majority of TikTok users are outside the United States.
Then they can decide that it would be better to not serve the United States users and keep the “vast majority” of their userbase as-is
charonn0@startrek.website
on 21 Mar 2024 14:55
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I read the bill.
SoupBrick@yiffit.net
on 21 Mar 2024 15:07
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Which forces Tiktok to sell or be banned, correct? The issue I see is: why not just create regulation for the root problems instead of just focusing on that app? The only reason I can see, is that their priorities do not lay with protecting people, but forcing a foreign business to sell it’s IP to strictly American companies. Wether that decision has to do with the intentional or unintentional promotion of the US’s direct involvement in the genocide in Gaza or just Big social media companies lobbying for the removal of a competitor, we can only speculate. Both sides are doing their best to push this bill, when have the ®s collectively banded together to create positive change? The point being, reading the bill is cool and all, but you do have to ask, “Why target a specific company instead of the alleged problems of foreign adversaries getting their hands on our data?” If we had hard data collection and selling regulations, it would not only allow them to ban predatory apps (foreign or domestic) but also ensure sensitive data cannot even reach our enemy’s hands.
agressivelyPassive@feddit.de
on 20 Mar 2024 18:30
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TikTok’s DAU growth rate has collapsed.
That might as well be saturation. If you already have nearly 100% of the target demographic on your app, there’s not much room to grow.
Also, that data is from some mobile analytics firm, how reliable are those numbers?
Also, that data is from some mobile analytics firm, how reliable are those numbers?
With all the data these damn companies vacuum up, it better be damn reliable, otherwise what is even the fucking point lmao
agressivelyPassive@feddit.de
on 20 Mar 2024 20:33
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We don’t know that. What are they even measuring? New installs? New accounts? What is a DAU? Opened the app this day? Engaged with the app? Looked at a notification? What is the measured user base? Can this population be called representative for the entire user base?
Without detailed information about that, this kind of data is basically astrology.
But since it’s banned, it’s interesting again. /s
CCF_100@sh.itjust.works
on 20 Mar 2024 21:24
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Good. That platform malware needs to die.
Mastengwe@lemm.ee
on 21 Mar 2024 00:36
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Wait… so the platform everyone seems to hate a year ago because of the spying, that then became a beloved symbol of American freedom that needed to be protected from da guberment….
We need a service built around 30 millisecond videos.
schnurrito@discuss.tchncs.de
on 21 Mar 2024 09:39
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It appears I am getting bored with the entire Internet.
When we had web forums with thread bumping, I got an endless stream of interesting and entertaining things to react to despite there being relatively few users.
BuryMyHorse@lemmy.world
on 21 Mar 2024 11:20
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Okay, Biden
The US government has a long and storied history of closing the gate after the horse has bolted.
just making sure it doesn’t come back đź¤
I imagine, that’s most governments. The political pushback will be lessened a lot, if people lose interest, so then a block is more likely to go through.
Politics going for worthless easy quick wins instead of lasting changes for the better has a history of it’s own.
TikTok is just pushing advertisements and people who promote their shop. In-between you have 2 or 3 videos where it’s on of the few trends going around.
The bill isn’t nearly as bad as they want you to think. It bans companies in Russia, China, North Korea, and Iran from operating social media apps in US markets, forcing them to sell if they already do. These four countries are already restricted from accessing sensitive parts of the US economy, with forced sale being a legal option. Really, the only novel part of the bill is applying these kinds of restrictions to software.
And the bill doesn’t actually punish or restrain users’ speech. It does restrain the social media company’s speech, but that may not be enough to overturn the bill on 1st amendment grounds. If you understand that social media exists to collect vast amounts of user data then you must also understand how the government has a legitimate interest in keeping that data out of an adversary’s hands. The only real question is whether the government has a compelling interest, because that’s the standard that a court would apply to this bill. And I daresay it might.
I hate the amount of data American social media companies collect and what they do with it
I REALLY hate having Chinese or Russian or [Insert Authoritarian Hostile Country] doing it.
American companies do it for the pursuit of profits, Companies from these countries are doing it to topple our government or whatever.
Something something the devil you know…
You do know that those mere profits are used to purchase whatever they want from the government, right?
this but the opposite, Chinese social media companies are taking my data for profit, American social media is doing it to topple the US government (also for profit)
What if it becomes profitable to overthrow the government?
Then you have the failed “Business Plot” of the 30’s meant to overthrow FDR
It’s profitable for the companies to sell it to the government… Basically just adds a step to the government getting it
.
Yeah, it’s very clearly not unconstitutional.
The constitution doesn’t grant jack shit for rights to enemy states.
While I agree - the part you’re missing is the vast majority of TikTok users are outside the United States.
TikTok doesn’t want to sell. They want some sort of “independent” subsidiary where ByteDance still profits from (and controls) TikTok and the subsidiary worries about compliance with US law. But the thing is, that’s already the current structure.
I wouldn’t be surprised if they refuse to sell and wind up being banned. ByteDance doesn’t want to lose all their US customers, but they’d likely prefer that to selling.
Then they can decide that it would be better to not serve the United States users and keep the “vast majority” of their userbase as-is
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Musk’s companies are already based in the US. The issues you raise, however valid, are not really relevant to a discussion of this bill.
So they are going to put in place some hard data collection and selling regulation, right? Right?
The question is irrelevant to whether this bill is a good idea.
What are your sources saying the reasoning for the bill is?
archive.is/Iu8yu
archive.is/hu22e
I read the bill.
Which forces Tiktok to sell or be banned, correct? The issue I see is: why not just create regulation for the root problems instead of just focusing on that app? The only reason I can see, is that their priorities do not lay with protecting people, but forcing a foreign business to sell it’s IP to strictly American companies. Wether that decision has to do with the intentional or unintentional promotion of the US’s direct involvement in the genocide in Gaza or just Big social media companies lobbying for the removal of a competitor, we can only speculate. Both sides are doing their best to push this bill, when have the ®s collectively banded together to create positive change? The point being, reading the bill is cool and all, but you do have to ask, “Why target a specific company instead of the alleged problems of foreign adversaries getting their hands on our data?” If we had hard data collection and selling regulations, it would not only allow them to ban predatory apps (foreign or domestic) but also ensure sensitive data cannot even reach our enemy’s hands.
That might as well be saturation. If you already have nearly 100% of the target demographic on your app, there’s not much room to grow.
Also, that data is from some mobile analytics firm, how reliable are those numbers?
With all the data these damn companies vacuum up, it better be damn reliable, otherwise what is even the fucking point lmao
We don’t know that. What are they even measuring? New installs? New accounts? What is a DAU? Opened the app this day? Engaged with the app? Looked at a notification? What is the measured user base? Can this population be called representative for the entire user base?
Without detailed information about that, this kind of data is basically astrology.
DAU = Daily Active Users
But since it’s banned, it’s interesting again. /s
Good. That
platformmalware needs to die.Wait… so the platform everyone seems to hate a year ago because of the spying, that then became a beloved symbol of American freedom that needed to be protected from da guberment….
Is now boring?
Tech moves fast ma dudes.
Any stimulus loses its impact with repeated exposure.
Good
It’s too long
We need a service built around 30 millisecond videos.
It appears I am getting bored with the entire Internet.
When we had web forums with thread bumping, I got an endless stream of interesting and entertaining things to react to despite there being relatively few users.
I miss those days :(