It’s particularly useful for doing research, as most major websites, that don’t need accounts, work well enough (you will get CloudFlare Captchas). So research your VPN with tor browser, then use your commercial VPN to log in to social media sites that block logging in from tor, or watch your video content that will be too slow over tor. Both tools have a use.
expatriado@lemmy.world
on 06 Oct 16:18
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looking to ditch hotmail after 25 years, noticed proton also offers vpn, may as well get that, i live in a red state
NuXCOM_90Percent@lemmy.zip
on 06 Oct 16:27
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Proton, in my opinion, make the best VPN for people who need both mobile device support and port forwarding so they can be a good citizen with all those linux ISOs they torrent. I don’t use their desktop client (I prefer to rawdog OpenVPN and Wireguard) but people like those.
Proton’s email is dogshit. Don’t get me wrong, it is awesome for making burners that many websites don’t insta-block (although that is shifting). But you don’t own your data unless you regularly run their nonsense client to tunnel into their servers. So if Proton goes shit tomorrow? All your emails are gone. Not a HUGE issue if you regularly fetch those but… yeah.
I’ve been backburnering it for other reasons but folk like (Not That) Will Smith and many others have been very big supporters of Fastmail and, looking at it, it seems pretty nice. And it fits my use case of using an email address at a domain I own so that I can just move between services depending on pricing and how evil corporations are in a given month.
Just to elaborate a bit. Migrating from JohnSmith@gmail to JohnSmith@hotmail to JohnSmith_75151515@proton is a massive undertaking.
Migrating from John@SmithDotOrg hosted by Foo to John@SmithDotOrg hosted by Bar is potentially under an hour depending on how you manage that domain and so forth.
funkajunk@lemmy.world
on 06 Oct 17:11
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But you don’t own your data unless you regularly run their nonsense client to tunnel into their servers. So if Proton goes shit tomorrow? All your emails are gone. Not a HUGE issue if you regularly fetch those but… yeah.
Tbf most people don’t download offline copies, they just let all their email live on their provider’s servers and never think twice.
Personally, I’ve used either Outlook or Gmail since 2000 and haven’t ever had an issue getting access to my emails.
NuXCOM_90Percent@lemmy.zip
on 06 Oct 17:24
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Which, again, is an issue if you need to get your McCauley on and get out the door in 5 minutes flat
That is an important point. For all that Microsoft and Google do to enshitify email, all the spying, all the privacy invasions they do monitoring your every click, contact, and the content of every email, they are extremely reliable at storing those emails. If you move away from them, there is a non-zero chance that is greater than the above companies that your new provider will go belly-up and you lose access to email. So there is an incentive to download things, at least periodically, and store them somewhere. If you use a mail client, that’s very easy. This is an aspect of tech literacy, like backing up your files in more than one place generally, that very few are taught.
The 3, 2, 1 rule of backups should be taught to school children. Instead, big tech go out of their way to abstract away the problem behind layers of infantilizing services. It works well, until it doesn’t.
@Jason2357@funkajunk I mean that was the initial selling point for Gmail wasn't it? Don't worry about deleting or archiving anything, ever, you can just search for it... Basic file management skills sidelined.
As I said. Works great until it doesn’t. In hindsight, Gmail has been extremely reliable for most people, but that wasn’t true for some other Google services. I do think a lot of people have probably lost their email because of their password management skills though.
Holytimes@sh.itjust.works
on 06 Oct 18:14
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No one gives a single flying fuck about owning their email generally. The number of people who actually care about that aspect basically can be counted on one hand compared to the total number of even technical people who understand what that means.
Proton, Mullvad, PIA, are a few decent options. Be careful about anything that isn’t widely trusted by the community as there are so many un-trustworthy providers out there that are basically shilling old-school spyware/malware. Also, for getting decent performance, they should also be using a modern protocol like wireguard underneath, not something like OpenVPN or L2TP or something like that. You will want port-forwarding if you use it for torrents, and that narrows it down extremely.
I left about a decade ago. Best decision of my life.
tidderuuf@lemmy.world
on 06 Oct 16:38
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Imagine being so stupid that you think Pornhub is the only place to get porn.
Texas_Hangover@lemmy.radio
on 06 Oct 16:48
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Lol yeah, they’ve been out of TX for some time now, and it hasn’t affected my fapping habits one bit.
snooggums@piefed.world
on 06 Oct 17:03
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It isn't the only place, but it is one of the few where the content is somewhat searchable on top of just having a very large amount of content.
Plus people like to stick with what they know.
HertzDentalBar@lemmy.blahaj.zone
on 06 Oct 21:34
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Have you met the general population?
jumping_redditor@sh.itjust.works
on 07 Oct 07:25
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unfortunately, yes
NauticalNoodle@lemmy.ml
on 07 Oct 01:27
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I’m pretty sure PornHub is just the most well-known example and they happen to own something like 5 others of the top ten most visited porn sites on the net.
Foreplay before masturbation?
You’re so civilized!
Zen_Shinobi@lemmy.world
on 06 Oct 16:53
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If VPNs get outlawed for some reason in AZ, Tor is another option. Make sure you download it from their site sonce there are fake Tor apps in the playstores
Nusm@peachpie.theatl.social
on 06 Oct 17:11
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abbiistabbii@lemmy.blahaj.zone
on 06 Oct 17:19
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I mean if they ban pornhub they’ll go after everything else so best get a VPN now.
DreamAccountant@lemmy.world
on 06 Oct 17:45
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Every single one of you idiots is fine with paying extra to access a free service. VPN! VPN! Gotta have a VPN to fool everyone!
You didn’t need a VPN before, because religious nazis have to control every single fucking thing. Control that porn! Control that “R” rated movie! Control those words in songs! Control the words in books! All religious movements.
Stop supporting religions, you stupid fucks. Requring a VPN is just saying that poor people don’t get free porn, because they can’t afford a VPN. Which is yet another thing that religious dickheads do.
Most people are woefully unprepared to shop for a VPN from a reputable provider, meaning most people are going to end up subjected to even more surveillance and potentially attacks on their devices.
Most people also are not prepared to manage when to and not-to use it, so will get slower internet all of the time.
This will create lists of VPN users at both the ISPs and the VPN companies that will be usable by later christo-fascist governments.
This will ultimately get laws passed against consumer-facing VPN services, making it harder for people to protect themselves from other attacks.
More honey-pot VPN services will start up to support that list-gathering for future christo-fascist governments looking to build dossiers on as many people as possible.
I could go on and on. And nothing about the above has anything to do with porn.
What? You don’t have to be atheist to be against organized religions.
the_tab_key@lemmy.world
on 08 Oct 13:47
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I was with you until the last sentence. As someone who is not religious in the slightest, I have no problem with people being religious as long as it’s not forced in me.
I’m saying there isn’t a religion that doesn’t force it’s shit on people.
So basically you’re fine with supporting things that hurt others just so long as you’re left alone.
Tyrq@lemmy.dbzer0.com
on 08 Oct 14:53
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Nope, garbage shit for assholes who want to control idiots. And yes it is being forced on you, that’s how Christian national terrorism works, if you don’t think it is, I’m sorry, but you’re also an idiot
Alright buddy, guess I’m an idiot. I know many people who are religious and don’t bother me with what they believe, Christian, Muslim, Jewish…
mfed1122@discuss.tchncs.de
on 08 Oct 15:37
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My issue is that the ones who aren’t bothering you with it are essentially not doing so because they know other people in their group are already handling that for them. Religions, especially those you named, come with a mandate to spread themselves and force others to comply with their standards.
It’s kind of like a really selfish kid who would steal all your lunch every day, but he’s not strong enough to do so, so instead he’s just nice and kind and smiles at you and lets you be. But if he ever gets strong enough, he’ll start taking your lunch every single day forever.
The religious people who aren’t forcing it down your throat either (1) think someone else is doing it for them so they don’t have to, or (2) don’t think they could get away with it without being counterproductive to their cause, and are waiting for a more opportune moment.
These are people who believe that they factually know what constitutes objective good. Imagine if raping children was legal and you knew your neighbor was raping children. You might just leave him alone about it because, what can you do? But the moment you have an opportunity to vote for a law to outlaw it, the moment you have a chance to kill him and get away with it, etc. you’ll try to act against him. Your polite indifference to him is a lie, because from your perspective he is committing an absolute and unforgivable wrongdoing that MUST be stopped. This is how religious people are to you, except for instead of it being about reasonable things like raping children, it’s about stupid bullshit that makes no sense, like the fact you don’t pray every day at a certain time, or the fact that you’re attracted to the same sex, or the fact that you don’t want the ten commandments posted in schools.
HalfSalesman@lemmy.world
on 08 Oct 15:19
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The problem is that by its very existence and prevalence you have to contend with religion’s bullshit effecting your life.
So honestly you should be against people being religious and try and discourage it. Though yeah its not super helpful to look at individual religious people and hate them openly. That’s a good way to just harden them right back against you.
RememberTheApollo_@lemmy.world
on 08 Oct 15:20
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Pretty much a default that religion, given the opportunity, will seek to push its rules and values on others. Doesn’t matter if it’s a medicine man or someone sitting on the local school board. I don’t have a problem with religious people in principle either, the problem is that even if you do meet a decent couple of people who appear to keep their religion to themselves there’s hundreds of thousands in their “club” that are going to fuck with things. Kinda like being in the republican party - even if they’re decent people, aren’t bootlickers, aren’t homophobes, etc… they still vote for, support, and associate with a group that does a lot of shitty things.
DupaCycki@lemmy.world
on 08 Oct 14:09
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There is an important distinction between being religious and supporting organized churches. ‘Religious people’ aren’t any more of a threat to you than gay people are. Churches, particularly the Catholic Church in Christianity, that don’t even follow their religion’s teachings, are the problem.
You don’t need an organized group to have people who compromised on logic forcing their views on others.
Sure, an organized group can be more efficient, but it is also more visible as a threat.
HulkSmashBurgers@reddthat.com
on 08 Oct 14:39
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The solution to the root cause of this (asshole politicians) and all the other fucked up shit going on, is to vote. Vote for a candidate that won’t do shit like this. If you want to do extra, donate time or some money to a candidate you like.
It kind of is to some extent. Believing stories like this requires a certain degree of ignorance.
Raiderkev@lemmy.world
on 08 Oct 16:05
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Why do you think a good chunk of these people wear red hats?
SocialMediaRefugee@lemmy.world
on 08 Oct 18:19
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There is a difference between intellectual intelligence and emotional. People have needs that intellectual responses don’t satisfy such as “what happens to us after death?”, “how do I deal with the loss of a loved one?”, “does anyone care about me?”, “is there more to the universe than just random chance?”, etc.
I get that. And believies can’t be based on reason. They’re just there. But it does generally require the ignoring of facts about the world around us. Like the same thing happens after death as before birth. You deal with loss by grieving. I don’t think they’re stupid, just regularly ignoring the simple answers to those questions.
No, the problem is accepting uncritically anything that comes from a self-defined leader, and, even in the absence of that, accepting that any critical input in a social system should come from people that have compromised on logic and reason at some level.
pineapplelover@lemmy.dbzer0.com
on 08 Oct 16:19
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My friend who was previously more etheist, has been attending church. We have lost another soul guys.
SnoringEarthworm@sh.itjust.works
on 06 Oct 18:26
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If you voted this in, you should be banned from VPNs.
Your search history should be public record.
ShieldsUp@startrek.website
on 06 Oct 21:29
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I don’t recall being given the option to vote on this.
HertzDentalBar@lemmy.blahaj.zone
on 06 Oct 21:33
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They mean if they voted trump or for the current admin of the state.
Our Democrat governor signed it. Why she signed this I still don’t really understand. She’s been using her veto power quite a bit and yet this one gets to go through. Ridiculous.
mfed1122@discuss.tchncs.de
on 08 Oct 15:41
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All politicians are united in their love of surveillance, as it allows them to subjugate the population via panopticon-induced threats. “We are always watching, so don’t try anything”
DarrinBrunner@lemmy.world
on 06 Oct 21:50
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It’s no secret that conservatives want to ban porn for whatever reason.
threaded - newest
Understandable
In other news, today is “no shit” day.
I imagine using the TOR browser would work as well.
It does, but can open a whole other can of worms…
You’ll probably be unable to use it for major sites due to how much it’s blocked due to abuse coming through Tor exit nodes.
Did you know the “hub” had a official onion mirror? It was back in 2020. i really hope they bring that back. afaik they never made a V3 onion address.
It’s particularly useful for doing research, as most major websites, that don’t need accounts, work well enough (you will get CloudFlare Captchas). So research your VPN with tor browser, then use your commercial VPN to log in to social media sites that block logging in from tor, or watch your video content that will be too slow over tor. Both tools have a use.
looking to ditch hotmail after 25 years, noticed proton also offers vpn, may as well get that, i live in a red state
Proton, in my opinion, make the best VPN for people who need both mobile device support and port forwarding so they can be a good citizen with all those linux ISOs they torrent. I don’t use their desktop client (I prefer to rawdog OpenVPN and Wireguard) but people like those.
Proton’s email is dogshit. Don’t get me wrong, it is awesome for making burners that many websites don’t insta-block (although that is shifting). But you don’t own your data unless you regularly run their nonsense client to tunnel into their servers. So if Proton goes shit tomorrow? All your emails are gone. Not a HUGE issue if you regularly fetch those but… yeah.
I’ve been backburnering it for other reasons but folk like (Not That) Will Smith and many others have been very big supporters of Fastmail and, looking at it, it seems pretty nice. And it fits my use case of using an email address at a domain I own so that I can just move between services depending on pricing and how evil corporations are in a given month.
Just to elaborate a bit. Migrating from JohnSmith@gmail to JohnSmith@hotmail to JohnSmith_75151515@proton is a massive undertaking.
Migrating from John@SmithDotOrg hosted by Foo to John@SmithDotOrg hosted by Bar is potentially under an hour depending on how you manage that domain and so forth.
Tbf most people don’t download offline copies, they just let all their email live on their provider’s servers and never think twice.
Personally, I’ve used either Outlook or Gmail since 2000 and haven’t ever had an issue getting access to my emails.
Which, again, is an issue if you need to get your McCauley on and get out the door in 5 minutes flat
That is an important point. For all that Microsoft and Google do to enshitify email, all the spying, all the privacy invasions they do monitoring your every click, contact, and the content of every email, they are extremely reliable at storing those emails. If you move away from them, there is a non-zero chance that is greater than the above companies that your new provider will go belly-up and you lose access to email. So there is an incentive to download things, at least periodically, and store them somewhere. If you use a mail client, that’s very easy. This is an aspect of tech literacy, like backing up your files in more than one place generally, that very few are taught.
The 3, 2, 1 rule of backups should be taught to school children. Instead, big tech go out of their way to abstract away the problem behind layers of infantilizing services. It works well, until it doesn’t.
@Jason2357 @funkajunk I mean that was the initial selling point for Gmail wasn't it? Don't worry about deleting or archiving anything, ever, you can just search for it... Basic file management skills sidelined.
As I said. Works great until it doesn’t. In hindsight, Gmail has been extremely reliable for most people, but that wasn’t true for some other Google services. I do think a lot of people have probably lost their email because of their password management skills though.
No one gives a single flying fuck about owning their email generally. The number of people who actually care about that aspect basically can be counted on one hand compared to the total number of even technical people who understand what that means.
Proton, Mullvad, PIA, are a few decent options. Be careful about anything that isn’t widely trusted by the community as there are so many un-trustworthy providers out there that are basically shilling old-school spyware/malware. Also, for getting decent performance, they should also be using a modern protocol like wireguard underneath, not something like OpenVPN or L2TP or something like that. You will want port-forwarding if you use it for torrents, and that narrows it down extremely.
What a horribly shitty place to live.
I left about a decade ago. Best decision of my life.
Imagine being so stupid that you think Pornhub is the only place to get porn.
Lol yeah, they’ve been out of TX for some time now, and it hasn’t affected my fapping habits one bit.
It isn't the only place, but it is one of the few where the content is somewhat searchable on top of just having a very large amount of content.
Plus people like to stick with what they know.
Have you met the general population?
unfortunately, yes
I’m pretty sure PornHub is just the most well-known example and they happen to own something like 5 others of the top ten most visited porn sites on the net.
Well there is sth with hamsters.
However lots of the old porn websites are bought by pornhub. And via some weird business shit even nutaku is part of pornhub.
So you have an almost monopoly here.
All the other sites are much more shady and can not be used without an adblocker (I know everyone should already have one, but most people don’t)
That’s true, however, I think they are the largest platform for user-submitted content that allows them to profit from their work.
Luckily, you can type
VPNentirely with one had.V….P….Nnnnnnnghhh
Just like “Brazzers”. I wonder if they did it on purpose.
I mean, I sure love connections and encryption, but it doesn’t have that effect on me
Pavlovian response
One hand? Pfft. I just mushroom stamp it out.
Foreplay before masturbation?
You’re so civilized!
If VPNs get outlawed for some reason in AZ, Tor is another option. Make sure you download it from their site sonce there are fake Tor apps in the playstores
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I mean if they ban pornhub they’ll go after everything else so best get a VPN now.
Every single one of you idiots is fine with paying extra to access a free service. VPN! VPN! Gotta have a VPN to fool everyone!
You didn’t need a VPN before, because religious nazis have to control every single fucking thing. Control that porn! Control that “R” rated movie! Control those words in songs! Control the words in books! All religious movements.
Stop supporting religions, you stupid fucks. Requring a VPN is just saying that poor people don’t get free porn, because they can’t afford a VPN. Which is yet another thing that religious dickheads do.
If you’re religious - FUCK YOU!
The big downsides are:
I could go on and on. And nothing about the above has anything to do with porn.
I just keep my VPN on at all times and I’ve seen no noticable lag. My Steam download speeds are still regularly 500mb+/sec.
I’m sure it would be marginally faster without it, but the hit is so small that I see no reason to ever turn it off.
Yes, that’s probably the least-problem of my points. Really more of an issue for poor VPN providers, which people will end up with due to 3.
proton vpn
r/atheism is that way my dude
What? You don’t have to be atheist to be against organized religions.
I was with you until the last sentence. As someone who is not religious in the slightest, I have no problem with people being religious as long as it’s not forced in me.
Religions have yet to prove to me they are not just another tribal group that wants control with extra steps.
Ok? Doesn’t change what I said.
I’m saying there isn’t a religion that doesn’t force it’s shit on people.
So basically you’re fine with supporting things that hurt others just so long as you’re left alone.
Nope, garbage shit for assholes who want to control idiots. And yes it is being forced on you, that’s how Christian national terrorism works, if you don’t think it is, I’m sorry, but you’re also an idiot
Alright buddy, guess I’m an idiot. I know many people who are religious and don’t bother me with what they believe, Christian, Muslim, Jewish…
My issue is that the ones who aren’t bothering you with it are essentially not doing so because they know other people in their group are already handling that for them. Religions, especially those you named, come with a mandate to spread themselves and force others to comply with their standards.
It’s kind of like a really selfish kid who would steal all your lunch every day, but he’s not strong enough to do so, so instead he’s just nice and kind and smiles at you and lets you be. But if he ever gets strong enough, he’ll start taking your lunch every single day forever.
The religious people who aren’t forcing it down your throat either (1) think someone else is doing it for them so they don’t have to, or (2) don’t think they could get away with it without being counterproductive to their cause, and are waiting for a more opportune moment.
These are people who believe that they factually know what constitutes objective good. Imagine if raping children was legal and you knew your neighbor was raping children. You might just leave him alone about it because, what can you do? But the moment you have an opportunity to vote for a law to outlaw it, the moment you have a chance to kill him and get away with it, etc. you’ll try to act against him. Your polite indifference to him is a lie, because from your perspective he is committing an absolute and unforgivable wrongdoing that MUST be stopped. This is how religious people are to you, except for instead of it being about reasonable things like raping children, it’s about stupid bullshit that makes no sense, like the fact you don’t pray every day at a certain time, or the fact that you’re attracted to the same sex, or the fact that you don’t want the ten commandments posted in schools.
The problem is that by its very existence and prevalence you have to contend with religion’s bullshit effecting your life.
So honestly you should be against people being religious and try and discourage it. Though yeah its not super helpful to look at individual religious people and hate them openly. That’s a good way to just harden them right back against you.
Pretty much a default that religion, given the opportunity, will seek to push its rules and values on others. Doesn’t matter if it’s a medicine man or someone sitting on the local school board. I don’t have a problem with religious people in principle either, the problem is that even if you do meet a decent couple of people who appear to keep their religion to themselves there’s hundreds of thousands in their “club” that are going to fuck with things. Kinda like being in the republican party - even if they’re decent people, aren’t bootlickers, aren’t homophobes, etc… they still vote for, support, and associate with a group that does a lot of shitty things.
There is an important distinction between being religious and supporting organized churches. ‘Religious people’ aren’t any more of a threat to you than gay people are. Churches, particularly the Catholic Church in Christianity, that don’t even follow their religion’s teachings, are the problem.
You don’t need an organized group to have people who compromised on logic forcing their views on others. Sure, an organized group can be more efficient, but it is also more visible as a threat.
The solution to the root cause of this (asshole politicians) and all the other fucked up shit going on, is to vote. Vote for a candidate that won’t do shit like this. If you want to do extra, donate time or some money to a candidate you like.
Finally, I found another one like me. Prepare for a shower of shit in the comments, as most people here defend religion strenously.
The issue isn’t being religious, it is demanding everyone else be too.
But they gotta save us from eternal damnation, it’s for our own good, we don’t know any better (/s if it’s really needed)
Anyone else believing differently plants a seed of doubt in their minds that drives them mad.
I wish! I would be happy to be their Lovecraftian abyss.
It kind of is to some extent. Believing stories like this requires a certain degree of ignorance.
Why do you think a good chunk of these people wear red hats?
There is a difference between intellectual intelligence and emotional. People have needs that intellectual responses don’t satisfy such as “what happens to us after death?”, “how do I deal with the loss of a loved one?”, “does anyone care about me?”, “is there more to the universe than just random chance?”, etc.
I get that. And believies can’t be based on reason. They’re just there. But it does generally require the ignoring of facts about the world around us. Like the same thing happens after death as before birth. You deal with loss by grieving. I don’t think they’re stupid, just regularly ignoring the simple answers to those questions.
No, the problem is accepting uncritically anything that comes from a self-defined leader, and, even in the absence of that, accepting that any critical input in a social system should come from people that have compromised on logic and reason at some level.
My friend who was previously more etheist, has been attending church. We have lost another soul guys.
If you voted this in, you should be banned from VPNs.
Your search history should be public record.
I don’t recall being given the option to vote on this.
They mean if they voted trump or for the current admin of the state.
But we’re on Lemmy…
It would have been during your last state elections, the option with the little “R” next to its name.
Our Democrat governor signed it. Why she signed this I still don’t really understand. She’s been using her veto power quite a bit and yet this one gets to go through. Ridiculous.
All politicians are united in their love of surveillance, as it allows them to subjugate the population via panopticon-induced threats. “We are always watching, so don’t try anything”
It’s no secret that conservatives want to ban porn for whatever reason.
No shock at all.
The key with a VPN is to buy long term. I got a black friday deal for Proton last year that comes out to two dollars and pennies a month.
Using “what about the children!?” to control adults.
Hassler and ploybay mag subscribers probably had it little bump? Hopefully pregnancy doesn’t have a little bump in the stupid state.