With the change in political atmosphere I suspect they’re going to get a lot more leeway to do things we don’t care for. I wonder if they could lobby to make ad blocking illegal.
cheese_greater@lemmy.world
on 08 Nov 23:38
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I wonder if someone can “buy” records of Trump’s internet habits
Just have someone ask him what kind of 'nasty things he thinks democrats use the internet for.' He'll start rattling off things that are way too specific and definitely projection.
Lost_My_Mind@lemmy.world
on 09 Nov 00:25
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You can. They made that legal in 2019.
JeffKerman1999@sopuli.xyz
on 09 Nov 11:08
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He doesn’t know how to use the internet, he only knows how to post on twitter
It seems like it’s already beginning. For one, Firefox is getting blocked more and more often as being “out of date” (it’s not) while a chromium-based browser is fine. My VPN keeps getting flagged as malicious (PIA). It’s getting really irritating.
Grimalkin@lemmy.dbzer0.com
on 09 Nov 00:59
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I recently dropped PIA because of it, super annoying.
I use PIA a lot, But yeah a lot of VPNs are getting flagged as malicious these days, to be fair there’s a lot of malicious people doing things on them.
DoucheBagMcSwag@lemmy.dbzer0.com
on 09 Nov 15:41
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Google purposely gives you an issue when you use their search engine with a VPN. when that happens I say fuck your capcha and use duck duck go
Ok: PeerTube is interesting. But: in terms of replacement? No. non-viable.
The problem you have is multifold - and one of them is constant content availability, and total bandwidth. The value of Youtube is on demand streaming - you click a video, it plays, basically anywhere in the world. The other value is… copyright: Because of the way youtube is set up, you don’t have the same kind of copyright problems as you would without the back end negotiating and systems youtube as put in place. You can think copyright as it stands is oppresive and sucks -and I agree; but with the law the way it is - youtube is the best work around that is feasibly possible.
Mirroring all of youtube needs piles of terrabytes of new storage DAILY. and it’s in the hundreds of thousands as a low end estimate. You need the computational power to do the transcoding. You need the distribution of servers to load balance and avoid over saturating and d-dossing any given server cluster.
The reality is the Torrent protocol has been around forever - and there is a reason it never really took off, despite live watching while streaming was feasible: It has too many pitfalls.
And then, there is the content creator side: If you want to make money - youutube is kind of the place to put your content up with youtube premium sharing, ad revenue sharing and so on once you can monetize your channel. And while there are all kinds of BS in regards to what can and can’t be monetized - there really isn’t a replacement, not for the average person just getting started - and not if you are trying to build your following.
People also forget that YouTube ran at a loss for well over a decade.
And any new start up would have to compete with YouTube and their massive audience, and all the other sites. There’s a reason that Vimeo never made quite the same height, for example.
Copyright is the one thing I can’t think of a way to work around in a decentralized fashion. There is very little to stop people from hosting non-free movies, TV shows, or other people’s content. Community policing can only do so much.
The lack of proper copywriter policing prevents you from using their centralized monetization strategy. If you get paid to let them overlay ads, people will just record and repost your videos. If you use sponsorship, Sponsorblock will eat your lunch. You can try to do lockdown and Patreon; eventually, someone will copy and repost your stuff for free. Unauthorized copying ties closely with monetization. Without monetization, the lion’s share of content providers aren’t going to bother.
Most of the other problems are technical issues that can be solved, but there has to be a willingness to share a little more resources at the client level and enough money in it for people to develop the systems. The TB/day problem would evaporate if people had to pay a small amount for the GB of garbage they’re uploading to YouTube to get rich quick. I’m honestly shocked they haven’t added tiny fees for storage at their basic cost for the service. If your stuff takes off, they pay you for the ad view, if it doesn’t take off, you’ll be likely to remove the worthless burden from their system.
narc0tic_bird@lemm.ee
on 09 Nov 11:08
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I think the biggest barrier on peer tube is the lack of easy monetization. Your average content maker is not ready to seek out a sponsorship and maintain that relationship. Vast majority of content we have out there is because people are seeking to make a few bucks.
JackbyDev@programming.dev
on 09 Nov 11:32
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I find it infuriating that the “free market” doesn’t let me bid on an empty ad slot on my own videos and instead makes me pay a flat rate monthly fee.
That’s what people are doing with sponsored segments.
My gut is that if Peertube had an ad marketplace that content providers would flock to it. But ODYSEE already failed at monetization. And then you’d have to have some kind of guardrails in place to keep people from hosting pirated* movies for $$$.
edit: voice dictation sucks :)
JackbyDev@programming.dev
on 09 Nov 22:54
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No, I mean videos I’m watching. Let me pay the fraction of a cent myself.
They tried that, it was called Google Contributor. Nobody actually put their money where their mouth was and they shut it down.
sunzu2@thebrainbin.org
on 09 Nov 00:01
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Cancel it, get on a vpn in low cost country, subscribe with CC with no FX conversion fee...
They will close out eventually but hey fuck Sundar the creep.... treat the parasite as what it is.
Lost_My_Mind@lemmy.world
on 09 Nov 00:24
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That’s fine. Youtube is either free without ads, or non-existant. Hey, did you guys know adblock is a necessity in life? It’s true.
SendMePhotos@lemmy.world
on 09 Nov 00:43
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Hey did you know with certain add-ons, you don’t need YouTube premium? Just like back in the day when YouTube was just YouTube…
dragonfly4933@lemmy.dbzer0.com
on 09 Nov 01:15
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That’s fine and easy on desktop/web browser, but for mobile devices it is not quite as easy. You would either need to use a hacked version of the app or a third party app.
You know they aren’t forcing you to use the bundled stuff, right?
DoucheBagMcSwag@lemmy.dbzer0.com
on 09 Nov 13:45
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But that affects the price being higher. If they just had a plan with ad free it would hopefully be cheaper than current premium (since no music streaming)
The idea is that the music is on YouTube anyway. Either access the music on YouTube or use the Music app to access.
What you would need to ask for is a YouTube subscription without any music access.
DoucheBagMcSwag@lemmy.dbzer0.com
on 09 Nov 17:42
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I’ve take to using yt-dlp to download things I want to watch to a Plex folder, just so I can watch on Apple TV without having to tolerate a barrage of cunty adverts.
It’s kind of a pain, but it does mean that I’m spending far less time idly scrolling through YouTube.
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Sounds like Play Music All Access subscribers are safe for the time being.
Surprised Pikachu is much surprised.
With the change in political atmosphere I suspect they’re going to get a lot more leeway to do things we don’t care for. I wonder if they could lobby to make ad blocking illegal.
I wonder if someone can “buy” records of Trump’s internet habits
I’m fairly certain he just tell you if you got him doing his rambling thing.
Just have someone ask him what kind of 'nasty things he thinks democrats use the internet for.' He'll start rattling off things that are way too specific and definitely projection.
You can. They made that legal in 2019.
He doesn’t know how to use the internet, he only knows how to post on twitter
coffefe hambrudereed bigly beeeblll mein kampf…
It seems like it’s already beginning. For one, Firefox is getting blocked more and more often as being “out of date” (it’s not) while a chromium-based browser is fine. My VPN keeps getting flagged as malicious (PIA). It’s getting really irritating.
I recently dropped PIA because of it, super annoying.
I use PIA a lot, But yeah a lot of VPNs are getting flagged as malicious these days, to be fair there’s a lot of malicious people doing things on them.
Google purposely gives you an issue when you use their search engine with a VPN. when that happens I say fuck your capcha and use duck duck go
Long live the Duck
or SearX, which by proxy uses the duck and whoever else :P
Hopefully by then we have full mirrors of YT. Maybe PeerTube would be viable replacement
I don’t think peertube will ever truly be successful, because hosting and distributing video content is just extremely expensive as it is so large.
Ok: PeerTube is interesting. But: in terms of replacement? No. non-viable.
The problem you have is multifold - and one of them is constant content availability, and total bandwidth. The value of Youtube is on demand streaming - you click a video, it plays, basically anywhere in the world. The other value is… copyright: Because of the way youtube is set up, you don’t have the same kind of copyright problems as you would without the back end negotiating and systems youtube as put in place. You can think copyright as it stands is oppresive and sucks -and I agree; but with the law the way it is - youtube is the best work around that is feasibly possible.
Mirroring all of youtube needs piles of terrabytes of new storage DAILY. and it’s in the hundreds of thousands as a low end estimate. You need the computational power to do the transcoding. You need the distribution of servers to load balance and avoid over saturating and d-dossing any given server cluster.
The reality is the Torrent protocol has been around forever - and there is a reason it never really took off, despite live watching while streaming was feasible: It has too many pitfalls.
And then, there is the content creator side: If you want to make money - youutube is kind of the place to put your content up with youtube premium sharing, ad revenue sharing and so on once you can monetize your channel. And while there are all kinds of BS in regards to what can and can’t be monetized - there really isn’t a replacement, not for the average person just getting started - and not if you are trying to build your following.
People also forget that YouTube ran at a loss for well over a decade.
And any new start up would have to compete with YouTube and their massive audience, and all the other sites. There’s a reason that Vimeo never made quite the same height, for example.
Floatplane is feeling that. At small scale, they’re really a poor value proposition.
Copyright is the one thing I can’t think of a way to work around in a decentralized fashion. There is very little to stop people from hosting non-free movies, TV shows, or other people’s content. Community policing can only do so much.
The lack of proper copywriter policing prevents you from using their centralized monetization strategy. If you get paid to let them overlay ads, people will just record and repost your videos. If you use sponsorship, Sponsorblock will eat your lunch. You can try to do lockdown and Patreon; eventually, someone will copy and repost your stuff for free. Unauthorized copying ties closely with monetization. Without monetization, the lion’s share of content providers aren’t going to bother.
Most of the other problems are technical issues that can be solved, but there has to be a willingness to share a little more resources at the client level and enough money in it for people to develop the systems. The TB/day problem would evaporate if people had to pay a small amount for the GB of garbage they’re uploading to YouTube to get rich quick. I’m honestly shocked they haven’t added tiny fees for storage at their basic cost for the service. If your stuff takes off, they pay you for the ad view, if it doesn’t take off, you’ll be likely to remove the worthless burden from their system.
Yeah…not going to happen.
I think the biggest barrier on peer tube is the lack of easy monetization. Your average content maker is not ready to seek out a sponsorship and maintain that relationship. Vast majority of content we have out there is because people are seeking to make a few bucks.
I find it infuriating that the “free market” doesn’t let me bid on an empty ad slot on my own videos and instead makes me pay a flat rate monthly fee.
That’s what people are doing with sponsored segments.
My gut is that if Peertube had an ad marketplace that content providers would flock to it. But ODYSEE already failed at monetization. And then you’d have to have some kind of guardrails in place to keep people from hosting pirated* movies for $$$.
edit: voice dictation sucks :)
No, I mean videos I’m watching. Let me pay the fraction of a cent myself.
They tried that, it was called Google Contributor. Nobody actually put their money where their mouth was and they shut it down.
Cancel it, get on a vpn in low cost country, subscribe with CC with no FX conversion fee...
They will close out eventually but hey fuck Sundar the creep.... treat the parasite as what it is.
That’s fine. Youtube is either free without ads, or non-existant. Hey, did you guys know adblock is a necessity in life? It’s true.
Hey did you know with certain add-ons, you don’t need YouTube premium? Just like back in the day when YouTube was just YouTube…
That’s fine and easy on desktop/web browser, but for mobile devices it is not quite as easy. You would either need to use a hacked version of the app or a third party app.
On my phone, I just access YouTube through the firefox browser app with ublock origin installed. Works perfectly.
Or use NewPipe if you don’t need to sync with your Google account.
Firefox browser w/ublock = YouTube with no ads.
I actually just have YouTube app disabled.
On mobile, I don’t use the app. I use safari + youtube.com with vinegar app and adguard.
No ads plus I get PIP. Quality is a hit or miss but idc about that.
I can recommend Unwatched wholeheartedly, great developer, but I only use yt for subs not algorithm
Hackedimproved with Revanced.
searches for places not nuked that are safe for humans to live
Welp. Guess I’m moving to North Korea!
You should seek mental health assistance and therapy.
For fucks sake google, give us an option JUST for YOUTUBE AD FREE…I would pay!
Not for YouTube music though. I don’t want that bundled shit
Uh, youtube premium is ad free…
Im one of these legacy users from google music, and youtube hasnt shown me an ad in nearly a decade…
Obviously other than the baked in ad reads by the youtubers themselves
Yeah but premium has the other bundled shit I don’t want. Just give me an ad free option
big talk from someone with McSwag in their username!
You know they aren’t forcing you to use the bundled stuff, right?
But that affects the price being higher. If they just had a plan with ad free it would hopefully be cheaper than current premium (since no music streaming)
But they shill it as benefit when many people have no benefit from the bundled shit they are being upsold on
Uh, what?
The idea is that the music is on YouTube anyway. Either access the music on YouTube or use the Music app to access. What you would need to ask for is a YouTube subscription without any music access.
Yes exactly
Do you pay for other streaming music services?
Guys, have some sympathy for Google, they really need the money.
fuck, this will really hurt my revanced experience. a
oh wait no it won’t lol
Firefox with uBlock Origin add-on and DuckDuckGo fixes most google issues.
Clipious + plasmatube ftw
I’ve take to using yt-dlp to download things I want to watch to a Plex folder, just so I can watch on Apple TV without having to tolerate a barrage of cunty adverts.
It’s kind of a pain, but it does mean that I’m spending far less time idly scrolling through YouTube.