Microsoft no longer permits local Windows 10 accounts if you want Consumer Extended Security Updates — support beyond EOL requires a Microsoft Account link-up even if you pay $30
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from tonytins@pawb.social to technology@lemmy.world on 08 Aug 14:35
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from tonytins@pawb.social to technology@lemmy.world on 08 Aug 14:35
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Family members have PCs that can't support Windows 11 (not that I'd want them to get it anyway) and I'm not yet in the position to migrate them to Linux.
This type of behaviour makes me glad I'm most of the way to ditching MS entirely on my own systems.
You can do it, Aussie. Bite his freaking head off.
Frustratingly I have just a few applications that are Windows-only and don't work under WINE. I've filed bug reports but haven't had the time to learn how to debug it myself, so am somewhat stuck dual-booting on one device for the near future (everything else is now Linux).
I've switched a few of my family members to Linux Mint, they like it
Yes, I am likely to shift them to that as well.
Don’t worry, you can only get it for a single year. Next year it’s new or Linux.
I know, but that year will be valuable for a certain family member who is stubborn and needs time to be eased into a new system. The problem is that now I have to set up a MS account for them just to get the extension!
Now is the time to spread your wings and try linux as a replacement for windows!
I’ve occasionally tried using Linux in the past as my main desktop, because I think Windows as an OS is inferior, and lately because Linux’s UI actually seems superior, but I always got suckered back into Windows because I wanted to play certain games.
I tried again last month, and this time, it’s different. The games that I want to play work well enough in Linux. Some of them have native Linux builds. Others work well enough in Proton, which is Valve’s version of Wine, a Windows emulation layer that can run Windows games in Linux.
I don’t see any reason that I’d ever go back to Windows again.
People who haven’t tried Linux in a couple of years need to read this.
The amount of progress that has been made with respect to Linux gaming over the past few years has been astonishing.
Now if only big software developers understood this and released business software for Linux…
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Depends on what you’re looking for, for some fields there are fantastic options already.
The others… Well considering the trajectory I’m seeing now (as a multiple decade Linux user), I think a lot more will start building for it. Maybe one flavor to start, but I do think it will be much more common.
I’m seeing it with some of my clients already.
CAD/CAM, PLC IDEs
For me: Solidworks, TwinCAT (lol @ plc software built on top of windows…and it’s one of the more open ones)
Yeah the TwinCAT situation is absurd, pretty much like with SCADAs, wtf why would you use Windows when you need a reliable OS? Luckily Beckhoff is working on a BSD based TwinCAT IIRC, and on the SCADA side Ignition works on Linux
Much of the businesses in media already do. EG: Maya was released for Linux. Its predecessor ‘ALIAS power animator’ was a Unix based program and ran on SGI.
You’d be hard pressed to find a studio involved in fx or 3D or any function of post production not running on Linux.
My understanding is that a lot of it has to do with the Steam Deck, which is Valve’s handheld gaming platform. Valve wanted it to run most of their catalog, but they also decided to use Windows emulation rather than Windows, so they forked Wine and put some money and effort into improving it.
But some games are harder to run than others.
If you use Steam, it might be as easy as installing it from Steam, because sometimes the games are multi-platform. FTL is an example of this that I currently have installed. But it seems like more and more game developers want their games to run on the Steam Deck, so they release native Linux versions. (Ironically, I think FTL doesn’t run well on the Steam Deck.)
Some games run simply by telling the Steam launcher to use Proton as a compatibility tool. So, the only hard part is choosing which version of Proton to run, which involves picking it from a list inside of Steam, which then downloads that version of Proton, and then trying the game. And if it doesn’t run well, then try a different version of Proton and iterate. IIRC Rocket League is a game like this. On my computer, it seems to run best with the latest Proton beta. For me and my 5 year old computer, it doesn’t run as perfectly as well as it did in Windows, as it can stutter a bit when there are explosions on screen, but for me, it doesn’t seem to impact my play. And it takes longer to load, but I don’t think it’s possible for an emulated game to load faster on the same hardware.
And some games require you to look up how to install them, and you end up having to install some Windows things into your Proton runtime using something called Protontricks. Skyrim is an example. It took a lot of fiddling to get it set up and the audio working correctly. But now I can’t really tell the difference between how it runs in Windows vs. Linux, except that it takes longer to load in Linux.
Yeah I’m familiar with all that… Though one correction, Proton is a “translation layer,” not an emulator. Same with wine (it’s right in the name).
My experience has been that, often, the Windows version with Proton works better than the native Linux version. And most of the time, it just works with “Proton Experimental” or the most recent GE-Proton release.
ProtonDB is a better resource than Steam’s own compatibility rating. I’ve been able to install and play several “unsupported” games on my Linux laptop (like Dark Souls: Prepare to Die Edition with DSFix).
The majority of games will play. It’s kind of crazy how well it works.
They also give a lot of money to Codeweavers, the developers of WINE, so that WINE can have enough developers to support it.
No shade against you, but WINE stands for “WINE is not an emulator”
But what does the WINE that is represented by the W in WINE stand for? 🤔
WINE is not an emulator
For the new guys, you’ll notice a lot of this kind of thing because developers think recursion is clever.
For example, GNU stands for “GNU’s Not Unix”
I think what you posted is great and should be read by people on the fence.
But conversly, I quit windows when XP came out becausei wanted to stop playing Microsoft’s games. There were enshittifying back then and it only has got worse.
I even admin Microsoft systems for a living, have access to nearly every product that make for free, and I still will never use windows at home. Even managing azure or SQL databases or having to use products that are windows only I do it through a Linux machine. Sometimes by pushing commands, sometimes with remote desktop. But I do it because Linux just works, I can count on it. Not so much windows or Microsoft.
What’s really wild is that not only are games good enough on Windows, but tests lately are showing a consistent trend where the two are often indistinguishable in performance, and where they’re not, Windows isn’t consistently winning.
If you’re not into the genre of competitive multiplayer games that have kernel anticheat, Windows isn’t really better for gaming anymore, outside of being more familiar for many people. Today we’ve reached the point where it’s a few fps either way, and people should use whatever they want, but if Microsoft keeps bloating Windows, it might soon be that the “Windows tax” also refers to the performance penalty you pay for using the familiar OS instead of learning something new.
And what’s even crazier about that is that Microsoft will literally make it the slowest god damn shitty OS on the planet before they even think about removing all the telemetry and bloatware.
I truly believe they would let it hit 50/50 people who use linux over Windows over not removing like two features that spy on you.
They just flat ass wouldn’t do it. They know they won’t die completely in our lifetimes so they would absolutely let it crumble into a shell of what it used to be before they ever start being user friendly and privacy respecting. I actually think it will eventually destroy them but might take like another 80 years
Exactly. I tired SuSE back around 2001 and Ubuntu around 2006. It was not a better experience so I never stuck with them. I started using Mint last year and it just stuck. There are some quirks and learning curves, but it’s a good experience. Linux has changed a crap ton.
Yup same. Was all worried I can’t play my games but then discovered the fedora everything install and the online tutorials were well written to get wine and proton going and the drivers and was like holy shit this has come a long way.
I can live with this.
I’m a Linux user since it was distributed in diskette images.
I use both Windows and Linux, mainly Linux, but I dual boot or use a VM sometimes because I need to use some programs which are not practical or just don’t work with wine.
I don’t see Linux as an alternative, I see Linux as different tool.
I mainly use cruciform (pozidrive if possible) screws and screwdrivers, but sometimes I have use flat.
No drama, no religious zealotery.
Linux was 100% an alternative to me, not sure why it isn’t? Why isn’t linux an alternative to any operating system?
I’m not saying it can’t be an alternative for a lot of people.
I’m just stating my personal position, for my use case.
Just curious, which software do you have to run on windows? I used to think alternatives for photography weren’t good enough but I changed my mind recently. Alternatives exist, but just like switching from windows, it requires the willingness to relearn how to do things I was used to in adobe lightroom and photoshop.
The Affinity suite, Designer, Photo, and Publisher. I have used Inkscape, Gimp, and Scribus, but Affinity is very intuitive, easy to work with, professional, inexpensive one-time payment (per major version), very well integrated between apps, and follows the same paradigms. I’ve never been a fan of Adobe.
Running Affinity in Wine is a hack, and a lot less responsive in a VM.
Makes sense.
I wanted to try the Affinity suite but found it doesn’t work on Linux. I also tried running it via wine but had massive issues. I’d gladly pay if they release it for Linux. Until then, I’ll use free alternatives.
Why does anyone use windows?
For me, Minecraft bedrock (for kids) but looks like anything MS tainted will start (or maybe already does) require windows.
Looks like I have to decide what to do soon because they’re still on W10.
it will be a slight downgrade, but they do have a Minecraft bedrock wrapper program that uses the Android version of Minecraft, so technically Pocket Edition, and that’s probably the easiest currently at getting that version of Minecraft to run on Linux.
Minecraft Java runs fine on Linux. Bedrock is pretty meh tbh.
A lot of software still requires Windows.
Games are a big one for sure, but there is a lot of productivity and creative software that does not run on Linux.
This is a myth and has been for several years. The only games that do not work with linux are ones that have intentionally artificially disallowed the use of linux using kernel level anticheat (rootkit). Many of these games worked on linux until adding no-linux policies to their anticheat.
There is no technical incompatibility, only artificial policy choices that game companies have made
EDIT: you can downvote me, but I am still correct.
I never gave a reason why a game would/wouldn’t run on Linux. I just said that games are a reason some people continue to use Windows.
It’s a very small subset of games and most are live service microtransaction garbage not worth playing anyway. Many are spyware and viruses disguised as games, eg Valorant
The quality of those games is irrelevant. The user asked why people still use Windows and I gave a few examples. Simple as that.
You are arguing for the sake of it.
No, they're saying you are making a mountain of molehill and using it as justification. You are saying you are technically correct, the best kind of correct.
Now you two feel free to proceed, I have my popcorn.
Yeah but they are saying a reason why people don’t move, not a justification of why he isn’t.
That said I had to run a program that detected my computer specs for a job interview recently, and they flagged my machine because I had just booted Windows in Virtual box so I could hopefully pass their test. Instead I had to borrow my spouses laptop, run the test then went back to using my computer for everything else once the test was over.
That said, you should never take a job that requires you to use your own hardware… But desperate times…
You gave examples, but they were incorrect and invalid examples. As I already corrected you, you’re parroting a myth because games do run on Linux. In fact, games run better and faster on linux than windows
arstechnica.com/…/games-run-faster-on-steamos-tha…
@theunknownmuncher @TheFeatureCreature
Ok let's give you some more software which still don't work with linux
- recordbox
- serato
- traktor
- engine dj
While recordbox 6 still worked in a kvm environment ... recordbox 7 crashes even in this environment.
You can to a certain degree avoid maybe serato or traktor and use "engine dj in a kvm" to prepare denon stuff but you always need recordbox for preparing usb sticks too as a dj.
Again, further proving my point. Rekordbox was arbitrarily designed to detect if it is being run with WINE to prevent use with linux. There is no technical incompatibility, only a policy choice, and you can get rekordbox to run with linux if you jump through hoops to defeat the WINE detection.
@theunknownmuncher i used a kvm not wine. My guess it requieres a certain level of HW Acceleration on the GPU Side to be runable ( the new AI Stuff in RB 7.x ).
Fun fact their support wanted me to install a amd gpu driver in my kvm ( i was laughing ) ... after telling them this doesn't make sense i got to some other support unit and they told me this isn't a supported environment and i should keep using RB 6 which basically is getting slower and slower with every release ...
PS: if you got a good link to get RB 7.x to run in WINE ( Proton ) and being able to hand in removable media and such i would not mind to take my time to set this up.
I have been trying to get the sims to work on my wife’s Linux laptop. I can either get it to run at 3-4fps, or I can get it to run without the ability to save anything.
I have Steam deck and with every game I have tried on it so far working, I thought it would be the same with a laptop. Boy was I wrong.
Not sure which Sims you’re referring to, but it looks like it should work: www.protondb.com/search?q=the+Sims+ <img alt="" src="https://lemmy.blahaj.zone/pictrs/image/85a342fe-f746-4cab-90b0-4df89b5536b0.webp">
It looks like The Sims 4 is the only one that might need some tinkering. Stupid EA installers…
Though the only entry for the first Sims game that appears in the results is the “Legacy Collection,” so if you’re referring to like the original CD-ROM or something, it might be different.
Edit: just noticed that Sims 3 doesn’t appear to have any entries on ProtonDB so I don’t know… If any of them don’t work is most likely because of EA bullshit
Sims 4, and I have tried every version of Proton, I have tried proton ge or whatever it is, I have tried every suggestion in the sims 4 protondb entry.
I have tried the suggestions in my thread about it. (I think there was one I still need to try, actually)
I have the fitgirl repack, I have tried via steam, I have tried the .exe from EA.
Bummer, sorry to hear that.
Weird. I’m pretty sure I have played via steam and it worked. I’ll maybe try later if I remember.
What distro of Linux did you install on the laptop? I’ve had no luck getting wine to work on Fedora, but my desktop is running Bazzite which is based on the steam deck OS and I’m games run great (sometimes with tweaking required).
Mint Cinnamon
Oh, Sims 4 fit girl pack Ive gotten to run consistently on Cinnamon. Feel free to ping me sometime if you try it and run into an issue, I may be able to get lucky with a pointer.
It’s got a shit ton of expansions in it.
Edit: (Believe the last couple of times I did the installs through Lutris. I just picked the .exe and used the standard wine defaults for the install, then once it’s done I believe it worked fine by adding a game and pointing it to the .exe for the play file. Then if you feel like it you can switch to proton to see if you get better performance, but a Mint install with a Pentium Processor with 4gb of ram (HP touchsmart) was able to run it, so most anything should be able to use the standard wine setup just fine.)
<img alt="" src="https://slrpnk.net/pictrs/image/726d3e09-9fd2-414f-807f-43584506130a.jpeg">
I receive this error while running the setup.exe through lutris.
I also tried installing the version you can download through lutris which seems to only be a simsync app that never connects to anything.
Edit to add: <img alt="" src="https://slrpnk.net/pictrs/image/34ee0561-4984-40a7-9984-ccbadca0c4b2.jpeg">
Drop down, change Z to X and I usually pick program files (That should hopefully fix the permissions / “not enough space” errors)
Let me know what it says if it doesn’t work
There was no option for X:, and there was no program files in Z:, however C:\program files appears to be installing, 45 minutes to completion.
Awesome, glad to hear it!
If it fails near the end, just run it again and it will go through usually, not sure why but I’ve had that happen with a couple installs on Lutris, but they usually work the second time
I went to bed while it installed, woke up and it finally completed. When I launch either via the icon within lutris or the script in the desktop it gives me a language selection dialog, the sims 4 icon appears in the tray, I select the language and that is all it does. I am out hiking with my dog, I will copy the script contents when I get home.
I ran the install and created an Inpress(PowerPoint for LibreOffice) document with all the screenshots this morning., then realized I can’t upload it here. But hopefully the only error you had was trying to run it from the installer. If so, add the locally installed game in Lutris using the + and choosing the last option (locally installed game).
Then point it to your .exe file
Should be something like Games/Sims/drive_c/program files/the Sims 4/game/bin_le/ts4.exe
DM me an email address or somewhere I can drop the Screenshots if you would like them.
Edit: found a work around so you don’t need to give me an email, apparently a site called file.io is run by the makers of lime wire, link to Impress file limewire.com/d/tnxkQ#Eq702rvgjW
Link to PowerPoint in case limewire.com/d/k1LhN#lJC6g3xCkt
Thanks, I run two d&d games today. I will try it when I get home.
I had some time before game and got it to load. But I am getting the cannot save error again, which prevents me from actually entering the game.
<img alt="" src="https://slrpnk.net/pictrs/image/d07e5ac8-c604-45aa-be36-4585734944b7.jpeg">
I downloaded the file, but did not have a chance to open it yet.
Damn, I haven’t seen that before, but I wonder if it’s a permissions error? The save files for The Sims are located in a user documents folder within the install location we made. I assume you installed with the same user that’s running the game so I’m not sure why it wouldn’t have permissions to that folder. Could check the permissions on that save folder just in case. Was the installer a new one you downloaded when we started talking? If so that would have ruled out a corrupt installer too. I’ll let you know if I think of anything else
I had previously downloaded it. But I also get this error when I am able to get the Steam version running.
Was that steam version downloaded through steam? Aka is it a different installer, or did you install in steam using the non-steam game option. (Just trying to verify it’s a different installer, don’t do the install again if it’s 2 seperate install packs you installed from)
Steam installs in a different location than Lutris as well, so it shouldn’t be the specific folder not having permissions. I assume Steam user Proton by default as well while Lutris likely defaulted to Wine.
Grr… this is going to be something stupid and frustrating for you.
Edit: I checked my location (you will have to modify it to fit your install path, my username was mint on this machine, so keep that in mind) /home/mint/Games/sims/drive_c/users/mint Then I’d check that Documents folder (Where I am hoping the permissions got botched) and if those are right check the EA and The Sims 4 folders drilling down until you check the save folder in /home/mint/Games/sims/drive_c/users/mint/Documents/Electronic Arts/The Sims 4 (if you followed down the rabbit hole you are already there.
If that all looks good honestly I don’t know why it would be acting so strange after using 2 separate installers. <img alt="" src="https://lemmy.world/pictrs/image/8ce4a870-6d67-4635-a4ca-543ccfc83764.png">
The steam version is from steam, downloaded from steam and installed via steam. I have tried running it with multiple versions of Proton and Proton-GE to varying degrees of success. It either runs at a single digit frame rate, crashes on start up, or if it manage to get it running okay, it also cannot save.
The version I have installed currently is the fitgirl repack. I downloaded before we started troubleshooting, I had downloaded and installed it on a previous install of mint (I had to wipe that and install again due to me encrypting the home folder and that causing issues. Since then I redownloaded the sims4 FG repack. I installed it for the first time on this install of mint yesterday. Having the same issue with saving as I had on the last install of mint. That time however I used a guide from reddit that was very convoluted compared to how I installed it yesterday.
The current install of TS4 is in
/home/user_name/Games/the-sims-4-lutris/drive_c/Program Files/The Sims 4/Game/Bin/TS4_x64.exeI do not see a way to set the save folder. This was installed via Lutris, and I used this install location because the default when installing was Z:\Games\The Sims 4, but doing so fails. Which is why I have it in c:.I am wondering if I create the directory first if that will work.
Edit: read your post more carefully and see you gave me your path for install. I used that same path (roughly) still it is using c:\users\user_name\
Installation takes like 2+ hours, so it is working currently.
Inside your install path it will create a c/users/username/documents like a Windows directory, that is the documents folder that it saves your local saves too. So you can navigate there on her old Windows machine if she has one and copy her save files from there and dump them in the same location and it should make them available. (The save file location is what I was worried didn’t have read/write permissions). But it’s just a guess from the fact that it was saying it can’t save, which if it didn’t have read permissions, if maybe couldn’t create/read the default directories during first time setup or w.e.
Hopefully you’ll get lucky and it works this time without having to edit anything
I just wanted to chime in that there’s far more reasons that your software doesn’t work on Linux than just the developer saying no.
Basically, if your game or software has to interface with anything at the driver level, such as a keyboard or a headset configuration software, or anything that needs to access complete system access such as kernel level access or being able to see processes outside of the wine environment. It’s going to be incompatible. This is by design for system security and is unlikely to change on official releases any time soon.
Additionally, if the game requires any type of integration into basically anything Microsoft, so be it the Microsoft account services, the authentication token services, multiplayer services, applications on the MS store etc, it’s going to be a no go as they have yet to make a decent translation layer for those systems. Being said with the push for demand of Game Pass on PC, there are people working on those projects, but I haven’t personally seen anything that had decent progress.
I have to hard disagree with the statement that it’s a myth. Yes, many games will work with minor tinkering. However, We are still a long way from having something that is just a click play and it works style system and it’s not usually from developer choices (outside of choosing not to make a Linux distributable)
Being said, it has gone a long way since I started using Linux back with Mint Maya. ProtonDB is an excellent resource to find known workarounds when it breaks, But you definitely should not go into any Linux system expecting it to “just work™”
Tell me you haven't tried Proton on Linux without telling me you haven't tried Proton on Linux.
I have multiple versions of proton installed currently. However, I’ve mostly given up on the glorious egg rolls because they seem to have caused more issues than they are worth. But if you have a specific version that you’ve found is easier to use and not as annoying, I’m up for suggestions.
Once my system loads, I’ll tell you what versions I’ve tried and which ones I’ve had issues with.
lmk
Currently I have proton GE 9-7 as my default for steam(with the hope that it works), and when that fails I swap to proton 9-0-4 or experimental, but I have GE 10-10 and 10-4 installed but they currently aren’t on any games as I haven’t got any games to seem to want to run with them.
Then on lutris main I’m using a custom runner for one of my games because it needs to get around EAC since standard support is iffy, but I default to Wine 10 for it as they state proton shouldn’t be used on non-steam. However I do have Lutris-GE-8-26 installed but it only ever worked right on one of the games.
Then for lutris on my distrobox Arch container(because FF XIV and Genshin launchers & controller support break for some reason otherwise) I use Wine-ge-8-26 which is a coinflip of if it lets me launch or crashes which makes me suspect that theres a race condition somewhere.
I haven’t had good experiences with GE which is why I was hoping you might have some recommendations on a /stable/ version if you can call GE stable lol
You haven't told me any of the games you're trying to get to work.
If they have kernel anti-cheat, anti-Linux checking, etc then you're going to have bad luck and may want to consider a VM and GPU passthrough.
With the vast majority of games I have tried on Linux, things Just Work out of the box.
sorry yea, I was moreso curious if you had seen a version that tended to work better than others so I didn’t include them!
Currently my main grievances is phasmaphobia which doesn’t let you talk in lobby, the spirit box is broken and campground maps have massive artifacting.
The Isle, which can’t play at night due to the sky being a rave
FF XIV which won’t pass the main launcher outside of a distro box (which currently works but bugs me)
Death stranding which hard freezes around BT’s
and Ark SE, which I personally hate the studio but, my friends still play so not having to wait 30+ minutes to enter a modded server would be /amazing/ lol
And star citizen which runs almost flawlessly on Windows with no lag, but crashes to a crawl on my main OS.
I have researched into these games quite extensively to try to find solutions and failed but if you have any ideas of what might be causing it, I’m all ears, or like before if you have any suggestions for versions that seem to work better I can default to those to maybe remove some troubleshooting time in the future.
Unfortunately I don't have a lot of overlap with you. (I do own Star Citizen from the initial kickstarter, but haven't tried it on Linux. There IS a Bottles setup for it that says it works well, but I have no experience to share.)
Phasmophobia I thought I played on Linux a bunch, but the game itself was just terribly buggy. Could be that was Linux, but I could swear my friends on Windows were having similar problems. (One reason we don't play this anymore.)
The rest I haven't tried, so can't help. It feels like either you game quite a bit more broadly than I do, or you got really unlucky. Here's a quick list of my recently played games with no hiccups - maybe the issue is indy titles tend to work better?
Vampire Survivors
Schedule I
Kingdoms Reborn
PULSAR: Lost Colony
Mindustry
Star Trek: Resurgence
Tales and Tactics
Powerwash Simulator
Motor Town
The Headliners
Ale & Tale Tavern
Space Engineers
...
No problems. Didn't really have to think about anything with any of these.
Thank you for your assistance regardless. And yes, I have noticed indie games ironically do tend to function a lot better than AAA titles, I do play quite a few indie games as well.
I prefer simulation style games but it defo isn’t a hard lock to the genre… I fell into the money trap that is humble bundle choice and every month I end up getting another 7 or 8 games which is why they add up fast, and I accumulate faster than I can play lol. I’ve never been very good at sticking to one game and playing it for an extended period of time.
Also, if you do end up playing Star Citizen again, definitely use the custom wine runner their LUG forum has, it’s one of the few that let’s it through EAC, But where it says to have 32 gigs of native ram, and 8 gigs of swap, definitely bump that up to like 15 gigs minimum of swap because it’s rough and was bottlenecking still at 32 native with 10 gb of SWAP. it’s still laggy as heck, but at least it will be somewhat playable.
anyway thanks again lol happy gaming!
Is it possible that old system files are your problem? I’ve never had problems with any version of GE or Lutris.
If it is a system file issue, I’m not sure what it would be because I’ve already tried nuking out the wine and proton versions and reinstalling them and that had zero luck. And I have similar issues between lutris and steam in terms of it as well, and those should use completely separate paths
Tl;dr parrotted talking points completely irrelevant since 2022
If you want to specifically use Microsoft software then you have to use Microsoft software? Wow, gee, what a perceptive point. You got me there lmao
I’m parroting old talking points because those talking points still exist. They existed in 2022. They existed in 2012 when I started, and they still exist today August 2025.
I said I agree that wines gotten better, but I’m sick and tired of people thinking that it’s some sort of magical unicorn that can just resolve all the inner communication issues with Windows & Linux.
In the last 2 months alone I have had several games that have failed to launch completely. at least 10 games that have required me using a specific proton version. One game that required me to install a custom wine runner that’s specifically configured for the game to function, a handful of software incompatibilities, The most annoying of which being the software that is supposed to make my headset compatible with the computer, which required me due to the fact it’s not compatible with wine, to have to make my own audio profile to split the two mixes it has, and I’m currently working on a custom user interface for it to allow me to actually change the settings on the headset.
All of these examples are completely ignoring the reason that you provided of companies not wanting to support it. It’s just the support doesn’t exist in the current wine infrastructure. If we’re including the games that are using kernel level AC or disabling the usage on Linux, that list becomes bigger.
Nope!
So in other words, 10 games that worked on Linux…
10 games that /launched/ on linux. there is a difference. It was for sure not 10 games that ran the same as if in a windows enviroment. For example one of those games in that critera you can’t tab out of it or it hard crashes. (Safecracker if you were curious)
Another one of those games was “The Isle” which has a raving disco ball sky during the night time.
Then theres phas… which while it functions the mic support is iffy cant work in lobby and night vision video is broken
Of the popular titles, of what I tried was probably Phas, Death Stranding (random crashes when the BT’s show), Sniper Elite 3 (overall laggy), Ark SE (not surprising but it has massive pre-game queueing if the server is modded so it takes 20-30 minutes to enter a modded server), Genshin Impact (controller issue on my main OS so i need to run it on my Arch distrobox) and FF XIV which launcher crashes unless I run it in a distrobox, and has weird audio issues.
LOL That’s literally a classic window bug. Try borderless-windowed. You’re welcome!
You should probably try this again, I can only assume that it has been a long time since you tried, because the protondb posting for the last 4+ months all say there are zero issues and it works perfectly. No clue why you’d need to use a specific version of proton because the posts include the latest version as well as a variety of others.
Lol I literally play this one on linux, and no, it works 100% without any issues or bugs.
this doesn’t work sadly, I tried it already. it’s not the act of tabbing out that causes it, it’s the fact the window loses focus which is still done with borderless
I tried The isle 2 weeks ago but i guess I’ll try giving it another shot
I don’t know what to tell you here. The phas proton db page for it is filled with others having the issue. Mic works in game, spirit box requires text mode, and no communication in lobby. I have tried GE 9-20, experimental, latest and bleeding edge, the issue remained. I have been waiting for another major update to hopefully address it. (I forgot to add, i have tried the launch option solution as well)
edit: made the parts I was referencing more clear cause full chain doesn’t show in notices.
gamescope should work.
I did try GameScope as well. It launched with it, however, I wasn’t able to actually interact with it(nor was any of the text easily decipherable), but it was my first time trying to use GameScope as well, so I don’t know if I just screwed something up with it, or if it wasn’t compatible. Other games were able to run with the same setup using it, so I figured it just wasn’t compatible.
Sounds like you didn't set the resolution on gamescope.
gamescope -w 1920 -h 1080 -W 1920 -H 1080 -f -- %command%I believe I tried that as well, but I’ll try it again when I have the chance just in case.
Unless we’re talking about the handful of kernel-level anti-cheat games where the devs have refused to allow Linux support through Proton, nearly every game you own will work. Most of them without any tinkering whatsoever.
I say this as a Linux user, Windows is still considerably easier to use and it certainly looks a lot slicker.
As someone who is still required to use Windows on my work laptop, hard disagree.
Im genuinely curious as to what themes and DE you’re using that looks better. In Windows everything is slick and polished, stuff slides and bounces around, the colours are consistent and work together, it’s all pretty elegant. I’m using KDE right now and all that I get is the start menu thing changes shade when I hover the mouse over it. I also use Gnome and XFCE, Gnome is pretty good and XFCE is obviously really basic.
You just answered my question. I was going to ask you earlier and then forgot to hit send. Because I thought plasma actually looked really slick, so I was going to recommend it. Especially with how customizable it is.
The biggest annoyance that was to get used to was the change in overall size of the menu bars, but once you’ve been using Linux for a week or two, it actually hurts your eyes going back onto Windows again.
I use KDE. Have you messed with “edit mode” on the desktop yet (just right click on the desktop and hit “edit mode”). There’s also tons of themes and other visual customizations on their site (that you can either access manually on a browser, or access through KDE itself when in the theme settings). You can make it look pretty much however you want.
I despise the way Windows looks and feels.
It’s stupid, honestly. I was trying to play Fallout New Vegas for the fifth time, and starting the game I realized the main radio station of the game, which repeats forever, was mute. For my weird taste, this was a dealbreaker, as IDK how they do it, but their playlists have this quality to immerse me in the game no matter how many times I listen to them. Tried every fix I could find to sort this problem with no success. So, back to Windows 10, and it works. At this point of time, I don’t play New Vegas, but there are so many GB to download, partitions to extend, etc. I guess in December I will try to go back to Linux.
I have one extremely important game that is a half life 1 mod and will NOT run on Linux.
Plus, pretty much all I do on my main desktop is play games.
I still need to use it for university. We often need to use very specific programs for homework and I don’t know if I can always find an alternative on linux. Even if, I’d have to go through the hastle of converting to the requested file formats. And it’s not guaranteed that I will always find a solution for every course I’ll take. Unfortunately education still expects you to work with Windows and programs that only work on Windows.
Of course, your metrics may vary because every person’s situation is different, but I went through my associates and my bachelor’s CIS degree with very minor issues issues., Many colleges will state that it requires windows for the course, but then you’re able to use something like LibreOffice just fine. Like technically, the only course that I ever had to actually use windows for was my Microsoft Office course and that’s self-explanatory of why I needed Windows for that lol
Office isn’t the problem, I use Libre Office even on Windows. The problem is very specific software for some courses. Like we needed to work with SQL for one course and they wanted us to use a specific program. It was a group project, too, and I didn’t want to be the one who messes up our database because something didn’t work right with whatever Linux substitute there is.
No it doesn’t.
massgrave.dev
Also:
0patch.com/Win10.html
Hmm, neat!
Huh, and I thought that was only for the os activation, but no. ESU support is right there, under the TSForge activation method.
The LSTC IoT editions also have it built right in, and come without the ancillary Windows bloatware (except Edge, which you’re stuck with) for niche applications that require running Windows-only software that can’t be avoided. Even on lower end hardware.
Its even more support than what MS is offering LMAO
Came here to make sure someone dropped this link.
Also: Linux btw
From these mass graves we learn to sing.
Coincidentally I no longer support windows machines in my home.
I don’t believe you! (that it is coincidential)
:)
Just finished building a new PC last night, 64GB RAM, 8GB vRAM, 2TB m.2, 8x8TB HDD, and windows will never goddamn touch it. It feels weird, but so far so good.
64 terabytes of HDD storage?! What in the RAID will you do with all of that? And more importantly, how much did it cost?
Jellyfin. The HDDs were only ~$110 each. Seagate 5400s but w/e it’s mass storage. No raid, drives will just be filled, cloned, and the clone dropped into a second system, also with no windows 🤬
Look at ZFS, it’s a bit more intelligent about using the space. They’ll be part of a pool of drives that you create ‘datasets’(basically virtual drives) from and you can choose your level of redundancy (including none at all if you want to roll the dice there).
I have a 20TB array, 16TB available. It’s already saved me from a lost disk. Using Seagate 5x 4TB 5400s also, with a NVME drive for the ZIL (speeds up writes). I have a 32GB ARC (a ZFS cache in RAM) so, even though the drives are slow the RAM and NVME drives ensure that it always feels snappy.
You can use zfs-send to clone the data to a new system without them having to have an exact copy of your original setup (like they would if you’re using drive images). It is also a copy on write filesystem so it supports snapshotting (creating backups of the block level diffs, so it is very space efficient as it only stores the block-level changes to the file).
At this point, I’m starting not to feel bad for people who put themselves through this shit. Using windows nowadays is like staying in an abusive relationship while you have an actual chance to get out, then complaining about it. Linux works no problem. And if a software/hardware vendor refuses to bring it to Linux, then you vote with your wallet. We need to let go of a bit of our love for “convenience” and try to be uncomfortable a tiny bit. Be a tiny bit inconvenienced.
And the thing of it is, back in the good old days you actually had to learn how to use your computer. This took effort, comprehension, and skill. And probably reading some manuals. Like, actual words printed on dead trees, bound up into a book. This was normal and expected, and you would build up your skillset to operate the machine you probably paid thousands of dollars for. No one had a problem with this then.
Learning to use Linux is no different, but nowadays everyone just wants everything handed to them and they’ll steadfastly refuse to put forth any effort while simultaneously failing to realize that figuring out whatever the next workaround is to get around something that Microsoft broke for them in the last update is basically exactly the same thing. Think back when you were learning to use DOS or trying to install your VESA local bus video card drivers in Windows 3.1, or desperately fiddling around with EMM386 in your config.sys file to try to get enough conventional memory freed up at startup to run Doom. If you had the amount of online resources we have now to just get the answer and not have to call tech support (and probably pay for it), or paw through a manual, or just be fucked and have to figure out by trial and error on your own, we would have all been stoked.
Entitlement breeds complacency, and complacency leads to the Dark Side. If you go out of your way to teach yourself to be helpless, you will be helpless.
Back then you owned your computer. By and large outside of some specific special purpose fuckery with licensing dongles you physically possessed the software you ran. Like, on a disk. You controlled what you ran, not some outside source. With all of the commercial operating systems (this includes OSX and iOS, Android, and Windows all to various degrees) this is now actively being taken away from you. The only way to claim it back is to run one of the open source platforms.
There are families with 4 children with a full time job that need to also maintain cars, a house, do taxes, estates, bikes, computers laptops iPads tvs, routers, electrical wiring, heating, water, aircon and cel phones among all the other equipment in the house for every day living like coffee machines, fridges, dishwashers, washer dryer, ovens and stove tops sinks and toilets … I can understand and respect that they don’t have the time to know how to build or troubleshoot all these things from the ground up and commit all their time to doing all of it just cuz they bought a slice of convenience. Cuz any one of these things they use daily could be used against them for not knowing how to do the basics of.
And any parent with stretched time I would not call that helpless. Parenting seems pretty hard. The feeding alone. And they don’t go out to hunt or gather like in the old days. If they picked only one thing out of that to commit their time and it’s to their family I’d say their priorities are correct.
It’s a computer. It’s a tool for some and for others: it’s a hobby. Your decision. you do you and whatever blows your hair back.
If you’re that eager to be crunchy and ‘purist’ about doing all the legwork of everyday existence go back to pissing in an outhouse, maintaining that just for ‘simplicity’ and take your own garbage to the dump, i think there are even communes you could join to experience that raw life but i still don’t understand this fear of progression.
Anyways point is: Gatekeeping is so cringe. And I’m saying this to you as a fellow Linux user.
We can be better than this. Be better than this.
Who’s gatekeeping? You’re putting an awful lot of words in my mouth. I’m pointing out that a lot of people are effectively gatekeeping themselves.
I think you rather missed the point.
Everyone has fantastic resources available to them through the internet that didn’t exist in the early 1980s, or whenever. And yet, people with four kids and cars and mortgages and taxes managed back then. It’s even easier now. The only obstacle to anyone is apathy.
Speaking of missing the point : you’re doing a perfect example of apathy.
the main difference is that Microsoft builds features quickly and for profit. that means the focus isn’t always on what the user wants, so they make tradeoffs that are good enough to not disturb the user base. recently with the AI craze basically showing how little they really care for the user.
Linux on the other hand is FOSS, anyone who wants a feature can build it. this is slower to deliver because the profit incentive (if there even is one) isn’t as big but that also means there don’t have to be compromises to delivered features.
looking at both these operating models i would rather be in the group building the future for users rather than shareholders. if it means waiting a few months for a few things to work as smoothly as I want I’m ok with that because it only keeps getting better and it’s literally free.
Honestly I firmly agree with this. If it doesn’t work with wine nowadays unless it’s a big thing i just don’t involve myself with it.
You should have sympathy for people in abusive relationships. Your judgmental attitude is ridiculous in both respects.
If your PC doesn’t support Windows 11 then it makes sense to switch to Linux. But staying on an EOL OS when you could upgrade is plain stupid.
Windows 11 is hardly an upgrade.
If they still insist on shoving recall down our throats I refuse to downgrade to 11.
I have windows 11 and I don’t have recall enabled.
I remain very skeptical about this.
It would not surprise me in the least to find out that “disabling” Recall only disables the user-facing aspects of it, but that the data collection still happens in the background regardless.
I have no proof of this, it is pure speculation, but it would be in line with behavior Microsoft has demonstrated before when adding new “features”. Would anyone like to play Bejeweled?
You would kinda notice the disk usage. Last I saw it was quite image heavy and could use a fair amount if you had a lot of activity.
I’ve tried to use 11 multiple times in VMs and other peoples computers and I just hate that awful shit. It’s the biggest downgrade since 8 and 8.1
I hate Windows. But I have to use Adobe suite. Wine doesn’t play nice. More than an hour of troubleshooting I feel is not worth it. I need to be working more than solving issues. Someone point me to how to make Adobe suite work (without hours of troubleshooting) and I’ll join the Linux team. Do not suggest other software options I get the files for Adobe they have to be Adobe specific.
Passthrough your GPU into a windows VM.
Ok. This might be interesting option if the lag isnt there. Any links/guides to accomplish this? Thank you.
github.com/TikZSZ/vfio-gpu-passthrough
gist.github.com/…/47cb06e4598e0c81f2b42904c690932…
asus-linux.org/guides/vfio-guide/
I used it for gaming. It had some weirdness back then, but it was on par with bare metal performance. I think it’s still best done with two GPUs, with one being dedicated to the VM.
If you're not willing to try to escape the terrible enshittification of Adobe, I don't think anyone's gonna be able to help you.
That sucks. Sorry you have to deal with their bullshit AND Microsoft's bullshit.
Other software might surprise you. 🤷♂️
I love the other software, Gimp ,etc. but yah I can’t change an entire industry to adapt.
I mean, usually you can think about your own process as a black box as long as you can take in whatever format they give and output whatever format they need.
You have to make your own decisions, of course. I just want to say: it's not impossible.
You have already been damned. There is no hope.
Yep. I figured. I receive and deliver files in Adobe. I 've found a few work arounds before but yah it’s a non starter. At least I have a separate computer for daily Linux.
Honestly, Adobe and Microsoft deserve each other. It’s Adobe you should reach to get you a solution, not us, Linux users. As much as we would like to help you, you are caged by Adobe and your industry “standards”.
I’m so weirded out that Adobe has a native Linux version of their substance Suite. Only available via steam
I’d love to know what weird skunkworks shenanigans are happening in that Adobe apartment
I’m ignoring you’re requirements and am gonna suggest you use GIMP instead. In all seriousness, you may want to look into a dual boot situation where you have Windows in a partition just big enough to do all the work you need to do. You could also look at VMs, but I’m not sure how well they would play with something that is resource hungry like Adobe products.
Yah. I like Gimp and hate Adobes garbage AI but Adobe files are a requirement for work. I have another computer for Linux stuff but truly wish I could get away.
github.com/winapps-org/winapps This may be what you need.
I don’t believe it’s Wine’s fault.
Tried dual booting?
Linux for personal, Windows for work? I’d personally not mix work and personal on same device. Failing that, same OS.
So Windows 10 LTSC isn’t affected by this?
LTSC IoT is good until 2032
I wouldn’t say good
Supported until 2032
Oh good, M$ won't try to break my machine anymore? Sweet, thanks for giving me a reason to use my local account only.
Microsoft? Ew! No.
hatred against Microsoft aside, this change doesn’t surprise me. With forcing an account, it allows them to tie your support subscription directly to an account instead of having it be a product key, which is annoying for both the user and the agent in trying to validate whether or not it’s in support or not.
Like, I hate the mentality of needing to use Microsoft services to use a Microsoft system, but this is one of their decisions that I can somewhat understand, it makes it far easier for subscription based setups.
There are a few ways of doing that without harvesting PII . This is just naked disdain for people not hooking up for oneChive overages.
It’s a different system if I understand the article correctly. It looks like its just a Microsoft account not a one drive sub. I’m expecting they are just going to only allow 10 computers per account and then when it hits max it stops getting support on new systems (since updates are involved I doubt they will let you remove devices like with the current activation system). Now I do expect that the payment is the same system, and considering their dark tactics at trying to get you to subscribe and update, I do assume this is going to make it easier to accidentally spend money or subscribe to other services though.
The article explicitly pointed out this extended security patching does not cover support
It’s easy to agree with Microsoft when you don’t bother reading the article and just make up a reason to support their decision
I’m sorry, but you’re misreading what they mean by support in that article because I did read it. They’re still gonna give support regarding the ESU program as a whole(otherwise they would be sued for fraud), which includes installation, activation, and regressions of the program. What they’re not going to be providing is general technical support which is a different beast, If you would like more information, you can read about it here as well.
This just in, convicted monopoly Microsoft will fuck you over at every conceivable opportunity. Film at 11.
Well that’s a blast from the past. That was neat-o how Mr Boies nailed a conviction and the remedy was … An apology? Was it even that much?
Glad to see Microsoft is successfully building on that crushing no-remedy defeat by doing the same and more. #winning
It was actually significant, and changed them quite a lot for 2 decades. Now they don’t give a shit anymore. But there was an impact.
Woukd have been more significant if Bush admin hadn’t overridden the original judgment to break MS into 3 companies.
That’s a complicated way of saying that Microsoft recommends switching to Linux. /j
You joke but As of this last weekend I just did and it was pretty damned free…
What distro?
Fedora for the beast. Family media station is on Ubuntu
i wanted to try out Nobara when switching having only experienced Debian before (not such a great desktop experience then). Now, since i’m already hooked on a Fedora-Spinoff, if the installation ever dies, i will go pure Fedora too, it’s just a great experience :-)
Yup so far so good. Though there are one or two games I realized I have to say goodbye to but overall they weren’t going to be a big miss from my life.
Just a good excuse to start digging into some of the new games from steam sales that I never got around to.
Hmmm I’ve had more luck and haven’t encountered any game that wouldn’t run except for the anti heat titles. I have quite the collection over a wide field of platforms and decades, if you wouldn’t mind to tell me what didn’t work?
Oh sure. Destiny 2. Not that it’s a big loss really as i only casually play. It looks like it was intentionally meant to only play on windows though and bungie are doing what they can to keep it that way www.bungie.net/en/Forums/Post/263741503?page=0
Currently finding r6 as a bit high maintenance to get working too.
They both use battleeye so that’s probably the reason
So far that’s about it tho. All my main favourites seem to be installing without a hitch.(so far that is)
I’m running with GE latest.
Ah ok, yeah the anticheat should be linux compatible, but they simply don’t activate it for whatever stupid reason. But maybe there is light at the end of the tunnel; since Microsoft is banishing third party drivers from Kernel in the near future, because of the Crowdstrike disaster. That could mean that those anticheats can be run with proton. Only time will tell. gL&hf!
“Linux can’t run my cock and ball squeezing app!”
Actually, I been much happier not being able to play League anymore.
Never been a better time to try dota 😈
No. I’m clean man. I can’t. Not again.
Just a little match. For old time’s sake
I went though this with Mike, I must not repeat the sins of the past.
Stay strong! MOBAs are like rage-inducing crack!
Yeah I realised the only games I cant play on linux are the ones that really don’t respect my privacy/time/wallet so it ended up a net benefit
all “AAA” games, you say
I had my first issue since switching just yesterday (I’ve been switched for a couple of months).
I wanted to run some mod installers for the old Kotor games but they’re .exe files.
Only stuff I could get working was manual file-replacements and steam workshop mods.
You should be able to use those mod installers by running them with wine within the wine prefix Kotor is installed in surely?
Not sure about wine. Haven’t used it since like 2016.
I’m running all my games in steam with proton. Not sure if that’s connected at all.
Proton is just wine with some extra stuff added, if you install protontricks this explains what to do.
Should get you what you want, you can find app id by looking at the url of the game in the steam store or using
Good thing that Linux can run pretty much everything I want to play. Ckb-new and and Streamdeck-gui still need some finishing touches so that E:D and DCS are identical to old Windows setup, but everything else seems to run without a hitch.
My wife has finally agreed to let me install Linux on her laptop after all the shit MS is trying to pull.
This kinda stuff just further cements her decision tbh
Oh well. I’m just glad I can access all my files on NTFS so I don’t even have to migrate anything.
Maybe reinstall some games, and say no more to others, but that’s the way things be.
Shhh! Don’t give them ideas…
They’ve already been pushing their idea to prevent this for years. It’s called OneDrive
Yeah I mean how are they going to verify you paid without an associated account
A key, exactly like they did it for decades? Same way they verified you paid for that copy of Windows?
I mean… I have valid keys for various Windows versions I never paid for 🤷♂️
Don't you need a Windows account to buy a key?
Back in the days of Dinosaurs and AOL CDs, you could just go to Best Buy and buy a CD with the Windows software and a key was printed on a scratch-off panel.
You could even just buy a key electronically from some grey market websites.
It was still like that up until Windows 8, at least.
Right, well, its not 2003 anymore
What’s your point? Is it now somehow no longer physically possible to sell product keys in store due to some higher decree?
Because it doesn’t prevent piracy. Are you dense ?
Why yes, our bodies, and our brains, are designed to be as dense as possible to be more efficient! This is why our brains’ gray matter has a lot of crevices so it can fold onto itself.
You can prevent piracy using a stronger keygen algorithm and online activation.
Valve sells product keys all the time, you don’t hear about them having a keygen problem. People just bypass the authentication altogether and simply torrent the software, which is something people still do with Windows 11.
As someone who has actually never paid for a Windows key even though I started with Win 98, and I before this Win 10 installation have never genuinely activated any them, I quite easily understand why they don’t do it that way any more. I also do remember back when Windows 7 was going through this exact same thing how trivially easy it was to get those updates without paying - so easy in fact that most people assumed MS did it on purpose just so that people would rather pirate them than run an unpatched installation for three years.
It’s not an assumption, it’s the reality. They made it easy so they could obtain marketshare, same shit every company does before they bend you over.
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What is Pete Davidson doing to that poor soul?
So use anything but Windows? Got it.
Haiku OS FTW!
action retro approved solution
TempleOS is anything but windows
“Install Linux, Problem Solved.”
Seriously, I’d like to see Linux made better so much non-technical people can use it without any further technical assistance, most notably, computer games that are normally functional and easy to install under Windows.
Steam and lutris for non steam games. You literally need to learn one program and navigate one singular menu is another and voila every computer game just kinda works, at least in my experience.
I’ve used nothing but vanilla steam for windows games in Linux for a few years.
I think there’s the misconception that, because you can use other things, you HAVE to use other things.
It is now. If someone just uses the browser, they wouldn’t really notice if it was Linux. Well, they’ll notice because it would be faster. I have my entire Steam and GOG library setup on Linux and every game I want to play regularly works just fine. Yes there are instances where I’d need to get on the terminal but that’s quite rare.
Sad that you get downvoted for such a basic request.
The Linux techbros can suck a fat one.
Easy for them, but not everyone else. I’m saying this as someone who’s into PCs, used both OS, fixing them for a very long time, and seen a lot different kinds of userbases – some who don’t have formal PC use training. That in my part of the world, while Android is pretty prevalent for smartphones and gaming on them, pirated Windows is still being used for PCs because it’s so familiar for a lot of people, it’s almost the default, but for how long that’s gonna last as Windows is being made more like locked with DRMs and shit like that.
Bazzite is pretty close.
There’s a great Linux distro guide here.
Elemental OS if you want a Maclike interface.
According to the guide, Zorin OS would be great for beginners if you want a Microsoft-like interface that’s FOSS.
Fuck Windows. Most overrated OS.
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The fact that the extended coverage is locked behind the windows account paywall is known for a pretty good time already…
They initially said you could get the account, and like 300 good boy points
OR Pay $30.
Microsoft is no longer permitted on my PC
Luckily Linux Mint still allows local accounts. In fact there is not other option besides just a local account.
Thankfully cachy and bazzite exist as well. Us gamers enjoy our convenience and performance along with privacy!
Installed Bazzite on my main gaming rig two weeks ago. Haven’t booted win10 since, fantastic distro.
Totally agree. Which variant? KDE or GNOME?
gnome makes it easy to login to onedrive and see it from nemo/nautilius etc. microsoft lowkey made it easier to switch away by forcing everyone to use onedrive by default
KDE
🐧🐧🐧🐧🐧🐧🐧
Ages ago I suggested installing Linux on my partner’s parents old desktop. It’s still running win10 but it’s pretty slow, likely from a decade of bloat. Probably a HDD too which isn’t going to help. Saying Linux scared them.
Recently they were told it is no longer supported and can’t update to win11. Or some kind of popup like that anyway. They asked if it’s time to replace the machine. This time I said I could put a lightweight OS similar to what a Chromebook has and they are much more interested. Probably also look at sticking a small SSD in there, it’s only used for web browsing.
Right and MS will not lose nothing cus if that
I mean… It’s not being turned off. You can still use Windows 10 if you want to, it’s just Microsoft don’t want to keep pushing security updates to it, and they’re like “Well if you want continued security updates you’re gonna have to sign in and pay for them”.
You can always go without those updates.