Any attempt to regulate big tech needs to be gated on big tech sized user counts.
Violent racist rhetoric posted to a forum with 20 monthly active users might lead to one lunatic ranting on a street corner to be ignored or mocked. The same thing posted to Xitter sparks riots.
kameecoding@lemmy.world
on 21 Dec 04:42
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rottingleaf@lemmy.world
on 21 Dec 13:32
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They are not attempting to regulate big tech. They are attempting to use fear of big tech to more easily regulate what they want. Successfully.
I dunno, is it just me getting older or is our time very similar to Star Wars EU in the Coruscant Nights novels time period? Late Clone Wars, early Empire. After its early period Empire had less and less need to pretend.
If they wanted to do something about big tech, they would have. Have you seen what Israel did in Gaza and how its NATO allies were all fine with it? Do you think the governments of those countries wouldn’t be just as ruthless if they needed to get big tech to behave?
The difference that gives them potential to spark riots is the same that made them preferable to random forums for governments. It goes both ways, they can plant their own misinformation and they do. They can sleep well knowing that most of public discourse works in systems where all voices of reason are silenced naturally, which prevents most of threats to them.
They are not attempting to regulate big tech. They are attempting to use fear of big tech to more easily regulate what they want. Successfully.
I dunno, is it just me getting older or is our time very similar to Star Wars EU in the Coruscant Nights novels time period? Late Clone Wars, early Empire. After its early period Empire had less and less need to pretend.
If they wanted to do something about big tech, they would have. Have you seen what Israel did in Gaza and how its NATO allies were all fine with it? Do you think the governments of those countries wouldn’t be just as ruthless if they needed to get big tech to behave?
The difference that gives them potential to spark riots is the same that made them preferable to random forums for governments. It goes both ways, they can plant their own misinformation and they do. They can sleep well knowing that most of public discourse works in systems where all voices of reason are silenced naturally, which prevents most of threats to them.
I can only imagine it’s what someone uninformed on tech would want.
Stop bad thing, help children. What? Consequences?
General_Effort@lemmy.world
on 21 Dec 12:07
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Yes, that’s people. You see such laws being pushed throughout the world and even on lemmy people are full of support. They simply don’t understand the technical, social, or economic implications.
Until I read a proper interpretation of the law by a lawyer, I will consider these just knee-jerk reactions by forum owners who can’t fathom being held responsible for the things their forum members post if they don’t moderate. There was similar hand-wringing when GDPR and Article 13 passed. Things are probably going to be fine.
edit: After a bit of more research, shit like this is why small forums aren’t excluded.
General_Effort@lemmy.world
on 21 Dec 13:25
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In all likelihood, it wouldn’t be enforced against small fry, but it may be. The fact is that running something like that costs time and money. If what you get in return is legal threats and more demands, maybe you just don’t bother anymore.
What kind of future is there for flouting these laws? GDPR and Article 13 are rarely enforced against small fry, but they are. And all I see, even on lemmy, are demands for more laws and more enforcement. When somebody gets busted, it’s their own bloody fault for having ignored the law for years and being so recalcitrant.
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Same thing is gonna happen in the US with KOSA
At this point, less Internet is good for everyone.
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Any attempt to regulate big tech needs to be gated on big tech sized user counts.
Violent racist rhetoric posted to a forum with 20 monthly active users might lead to one lunatic ranting on a street corner to be ignored or mocked. The same thing posted to Xitter sparks riots.
Or straight up genocide
systemicjustice.org/…/facebook-and-genocide-how-f…
They are not attempting to regulate big tech. They are attempting to use fear of big tech to more easily regulate what they want. Successfully.
I dunno, is it just me getting older or is our time very similar to Star Wars EU in the Coruscant Nights novels time period? Late Clone Wars, early Empire. After its early period Empire had less and less need to pretend.
If they wanted to do something about big tech, they would have. Have you seen what Israel did in Gaza and how its NATO allies were all fine with it? Do you think the governments of those countries wouldn’t be just as ruthless if they needed to get big tech to behave?
The difference that gives them potential to spark riots is the same that made them preferable to random forums for governments. It goes both ways, they can plant their own misinformation and they do. They can sleep well knowing that most of public discourse works in systems where all voices of reason are silenced naturally, which prevents most of threats to them.
They are not attempting to regulate big tech. They are attempting to use fear of big tech to more easily regulate what they want. Successfully.
I dunno, is it just me getting older or is our time very similar to Star Wars EU in the Coruscant Nights novels time period? Late Clone Wars, early Empire. After its early period Empire had less and less need to pretend.
If they wanted to do something about big tech, they would have. Have you seen what Israel did in Gaza and how its NATO allies were all fine with it? Do you think the governments of those countries wouldn’t be just as ruthless if they needed to get big tech to behave?
The difference that gives them potential to spark riots is the same that made them preferable to random forums for governments. It goes both ways, they can plant their own misinformation and they do. They can sleep well knowing that most of public discourse works in systems where all voices of reason are silenced naturally, which prevents most of threats to them.
Hell, we have Lemmy instances considering age verification because of this nonsense. Things are going to get spicy.
I doubt anyone will register to any lemmy instance that does this. One of the reasons people use lemmy is privacy.
Damn shame. But it is what people want.
I can only imagine it’s what someone uninformed on tech would want.
Yes, that’s people. You see such laws being pushed throughout the world and even on lemmy people are full of support. They simply don’t understand the technical, social, or economic implications.
Until I read a proper interpretation of the law by a lawyer, I will consider these just knee-jerk reactions by forum owners who can’t fathom being held responsible for the things their forum members post if they don’t moderate. There was similar hand-wringing when GDPR and Article 13 passed. Things are probably going to be fine.
edit: After a bit of more research, shit like this is why small forums aren’t excluded.
In all likelihood, it wouldn’t be enforced against small fry, but it may be. The fact is that running something like that costs time and money. If what you get in return is legal threats and more demands, maybe you just don’t bother anymore.
What kind of future is there for flouting these laws? GDPR and Article 13 are rarely enforced against small fry, but they are. And all I see, even on lemmy, are demands for more laws and more enforcement. When somebody gets busted, it’s their own bloody fault for having ignored the law for years and being so recalcitrant.