autotldr@lemmings.world
on 31 Jan 2024 23:10
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This is the best summary I could come up with:
After a swift click on “not now,” this viewer cued up one of the more successful titles currently gracing Amazon’s roster — the second season of beefcake vigilante drama Reacher.
Interruptions, which included a spot for another series (Hudson & Rex, starring a German Shepherd detective) and a reminder from the folks at Intuit Turbotax that filling season has commenced, were indeed limited.
“We fought so hard to get rid of commercials,” says Alan Poul, executive producer and director of Max original Tokyo Vice which returns for a second season on Feb. 8.
Paramount expands its own ad-supported tier internationally later in 2024 — and though no official plans have been announced, recent hires at Apple TV+ suggest the tech behemoth will eventually introduce ads as well.
David E. Kelley, the one-time broadcast golden boy who gave audiences Picket Fences, Chicago Hope and Ally McBeal before pivoting to premiere outlets like HBO (Big Little Lies) and Netflix (The Lincoln Lawyer), seems similarly disenchanted.
Netflix, which recently cited that 40 percent of all new sign-ups opt for ads, announced the “retirement” of its least expensive commercial-free tier in the coming second quarter.
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jordanlund@lemmy.world
on 31 Jan 2024 23:14
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What I want to know is how much money could insurance companies (cough, Liberty Mutual, cough) POSSIBLY be saving people when they are buying ads on every video on Youtube.
poayjay@lemmy.today
on 01 Feb 2024 00:33
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I always wondered what if someone started an insurance business that didn’t spend billions on advertisements, it just offered genuinely lower rates. When you sign up you have to sign something promising you’ll tell 2 other people.
c0mbatbag3l@lemmy.world
on 01 Feb 2024 00:36
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“We can’t lower prices! Look at how much we have to spend!!”
Points at billions in ad slots being watched by mostly AI now
gravitas_deficiency@sh.itjust.works
on 01 Feb 2024 02:13
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The Market Basket of insurance companies - solid, quality products, at a reasonable price, because they simply don’t do any marketing.
nilloc@discuss.tchncs.de
on 01 Feb 2024 17:32
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Massachusetts (funny enough also where MB is popular) used to have only small car insurance companies, I think it had something to do with no-fault or something. But they opened up to the Geicos and co. A decade or so ago.
abysmalpoptart@lemmy.world
on 01 Feb 2024 13:36
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There are plenty of insurance companies that are like this. They’re significantly cheaper than the nationally advertised insurance options.
Ghostalmedia@lemmy.world
on 01 Feb 2024 01:03
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That’s what you’re seeing. Not what I’m seeing. Welcome to the wonderful world of targeted ads.
I only get Doctor Drew telling me stuff is a metabolism killer.
jordanlund@lemmy.world
on 01 Feb 2024 01:08
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Weird then that I don’t need insurance and am not looking for insurance…
Ghostalmedia@lemmy.world
on 01 Feb 2024 01:20
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And I’m super skinny and don’t need to speed up my metabolism. It’s not perfect, but we both sit in a demographic cohort that seems to really buy what they’re pushing to us.
LinkOpensChest_wav@lemmy.dbzer0.com
on 01 Feb 2024 01:48
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I’m always getting those crappy State Farm ads with celebrities like Ludacris, who always look slightly embarrassed to be appearing in the ads
QuarterSwede@lemmy.world
on 01 Feb 2024 02:56
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And equally that I have had LM for decades and that’s all I see ads for … yeah, real effective targeted advertising.
Wrench@lemmy.world
on 01 Feb 2024 01:26
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I get douche bros peddling instant meal powder crap. Which I have never, ever, looked for or researched, but my wife’s shopping habits tend to dictate my ads, even though we’re on completely different devices.
Ghostalmedia@lemmy.world
on 01 Feb 2024 01:33
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Yeah, if you’re going through the same router, it’s going to be one IP. My guess is that I get the metabolism stuff because of my spouse.
That’s a feature. When you start to get diaper ads it’s time for some news.
Peppycito@sh.itjust.works
on 01 Feb 2024 01:36
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Lol, I get eavestrough filters and fat guy t-shirts. They can tell I’m an old fucker but not that I’m skinny as hell
TheFriar@lemm.ee
on 01 Feb 2024 01:53
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You guys watch ads on YouTube? When YT gets the better of UblockO for a couple days, I just open the YT homepage, see which of the regular channels I check out have new videos or I look through my recommended and then I open piped or yewtu.be. Fuck YT. I refuse to watch ads. When I open a YT link through lemmy, I’ll close the window immediately if an ad starts playing. Fuck these companies.
Ghostalmedia@lemmy.world
on 01 Feb 2024 02:19
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I have ad blocker at the router level, but I often toggle it off when it interrupts marketing experiences that I need to see for work.
KnightontheSun@lemmy.world
on 01 Feb 2024 03:15
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May I ask what you are using for a blocker?
Thorny_Insight@lemm.ee
on 01 Feb 2024 04:12
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I went over a month with zero issues using UBO on YouTube. Coincidentally today for some reason the site started breaking so I updated the quick fixes filter list and that solved it.
Mr_Blott@lemmy.world
on 01 Feb 2024 06:35
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I mostly get ads for stuff I’ve researched online; anything I buy for the house, kitchen, or simply tools for business, I make sure is “Buy It For Life” quality
Targeted ads are hilarious. Yes, Google, I did. I did just buy a pair of Knipex Cobra pipe grips. That will be the last time ever I buy them, and they will still be hanging around a secondhand shop 150 years after I’ve turned to fuckin dust. The advert for Shungong Best Grip is a fuckin waste of electrons
Thorny_Insight@lemm.ee
on 01 Feb 2024 04:08
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They’d lose money. Advertising works - that’s why companies are doing it.
MammyWhammy@lemmy.ml
on 02 Feb 2024 16:41
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Piracy is not a lot of work nowadays. Setting it up once takes some time, but after that everything is automated. If I want to watch a movie or show, I enter my overseer URL into a browser, search the name of it, click on request, and a few minutes later it will be ready to watch on my Plex and Jellyfin, that are also shared with friends and family so they can also browse my library and request stuff easily
Keep in mind that in most countries you will need a VPN to safely download torrents without getting a copyright notice. And for torrenting you need a VPN that supports port forwarding
I personally use Torguard. It’s pretty cheap, especially on sale, supports port forwarding, is fast enough to saturate my internet connection, and supports Wireguard
JoMiran@lemmy.ml
on 31 Jan 2024 23:37
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🏴☠️
clif@lemmy.world
on 31 Jan 2024 23:47
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I dropped prime after the announcement… Who’s next?
MeekerThanBeaker@lemmy.world
on 01 Feb 2024 00:06
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What pisses me off is that I signed up for a year last summer. This change should not have happened for people who already paid for Prime.
With shipping getting worse, yeah … I’m cancelling that.
Guess Bezos doesn’t have enough money.
LinkOpensChest_wav@lemmy.dbzer0.com
on 01 Feb 2024 01:44
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Are you even getting two-day shipping anymore? I canceled Prime last year because my non-Prime items were arriving well before my Prime ones, with Prime sometimes taking two weeks.
With their sucky shipping, having to navigate a minefield of cheap trash-tier products, and now their video service getting riddled with ads – I think if Amazon were just being introduced to the world in its current state, no one would even use it. We’d consider it a joke.
All Amazon has going for it anymore is that it’s known and people use it out of habit.
PrincessLeiasCat@sh.itjust.works
on 01 Feb 2024 05:01
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That’s how enshittification works - they lure you in with too good to be true promises & then slowly fuck you over year after year to increase profit.
TheDoozer@lemmy.world
on 01 Feb 2024 05:03
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Wait, is the two-day shipping taking forever happening for everyone? I thought it was just because I moved to Alaska. It takes 2-4 weeks (and doesn’t show up about 10-20% of the time) for anything, but Walmart and Target stuff gets here in less than a week.
LinkOpensChest_wav@lemmy.dbzer0.com
on 01 Feb 2024 05:55
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I used to get it in 2 days here in South Dakota, but around 2020 or 21 it started taking progressively longer, until it was actually slower than normal shipping times.
treesapx@lemmy.world
on 01 Feb 2024 15:22
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3 main reason I cancelled Amazon:
Counterfeits. Can get the items direct for same price & shipping now anyways.
Shipping so unreliable.
My “new” items were quite often repackaged returns, usually missing parts.
proudblond@lemmy.world
on 01 Feb 2024 00:22
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We weren’t watching it anyway and we can handle waiting a few days for shipping. We dropped it too.
jeena@jemmy.jeena.net
on 31 Jan 2024 23:49
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I have a hard time understanding why a option to view it either with ads or pay money to not show ads is bad.
I understand it’s frustrating that you already pay and still see ads.
In the end you choose to buy something from a company which sells something. Either you pay with your money or with your attention if you don’t want to pay, just don’t use their service.
I much rather have the option to pay to get rid of ads than not having it like it was in the 90ies.
ZeroCool@slrpnk.net
on 31 Jan 2024 23:54
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Because it’s a gradual death-march to pricing out the ad free tiers entirely. Right now we’re in the ‘illusion of choice’ phase. But ad free tiers will continue to become more and more expensive until one day corporations can turn around and justify removing them by blaming consumers. “We’re getting rid of our ad-free plans due to lack of consumer interest.” It won’t be a lack of interest. It’ll be a lack of affordability. And you can be damn sure once the ad-free plans are gone those ad based plans will end up priced at the rate for the old ad-free options. It’s corporate gaslighting and it’s happening right now.
iAmTheTot@kbin.social
on 31 Jan 2024 23:57
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Then stop paying for the service if you're not happy with it. Vote with your wallet.
Like, corporations need to make money... People understand that, right? They going to try to do things to make money. As a consumer, you decide the point at which the value is no longer there for you.
You're not entitled to streaming services. It's not a human right. I understand that it sucks to be priced out of a service you like.
solarvector@lemmy.dbzer0.com
on 01 Feb 2024 00:00
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Then don’t be part of society is the root of that argument.
Don’t want to be tracked? Don’t use a phone. Or a car.
Don’t want to support exploitative publishers? Don’t read.
Can’t afford rent?
Can’t find a job?
It’s all just blaming people for corporate bullshit.
iAmTheTot@kbin.social
on 01 Feb 2024 00:32
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I would not equate any of those things with streaming entertainment, but okay.
For the record, I'm not blaming people. I don't even know how you could read that from my message. Of course it's the corp's fault for raising prices. But as a consumer, you do get to decide when the value is no longer there. No one is forcing you to pay for Netflix.
LinkOpensChest_wav@lemmy.dbzer0.com
on 01 Feb 2024 01:55
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I think people are reading the part where you said “corporations need to make money” and are jumping to the conclusion that you’re defending the corporations.
I quit Netflix last summer, and turns out I don’t miss it at all. There are … other free sites of questionable legality for streaming, DVDs at the library, or even just like … feeding the geese at the park instead.
These corporations can sell all they want, but we can choose not to buy. Correct me if I’m wrong, but that’s what I think you’re saying.
iAmTheTot@kbin.social
on 01 Feb 2024 02:45
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People love to jump to conclusions on the internet. I state a fact of the reality we live in and apparently I'm a bootlicker. Til we have a radical economic revolution, yeah corp needs to make money.
And yes, I said vote with your wallet. If you don't like what corp's selling, don't buy it. Buy something cheaper, buy their competitor. Or nothing.
LinkOpensChest_wav@lemmy.dbzer0.com
on 01 Feb 2024 02:47
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The point everyone is making is that this, along with everything else we have the “choice” to consume, is all a greater trend. I’m sure you’ve heard the word “enshittification,” well it was the word of the year and it’s on everyone’s lips for a reason.
Things are getting worse but the price keeps going up. This has long been a trend, called many names, from “shrinkflation” to “enshittification” to “planned obsolescence.” For decades this has been happening. Products aren’t built to last, companies aren’t competing for quality and customer satisfaction. The price goes up across the board, but everyone is making cheaper products. We’re just being squeezed harder because people have less money to spend. And people are tired of this process. We are the only ones paying. There is an imbalance in the way capitalism is running—and those anti capitalists among us will point out this has always been inevitable…but that’s another story. Operating under the assumption that capitalism is the system we are clinging to:
The tipping point for all of this is that corporate profits have been at record highs. Stock buybacks and rising CEO pay and out of control inequality. It’s all part of the same problem: we aren’t the “consumers” as such in this late stage capitalist world. We are being squeezed harder and harder across the board, our paychecks dwindle in buying power…the answer to this isn’t “well, stop paying for Netflix.”
People are pissed because this is one small kernel of the larger problem. We are products and we are the sacrificial lambs for the almighty stock price. We aren’t catered to as an integral part of the capitalist system. We are pushed further and further down to make space for record profits.
They take away account sharing, then they raise the price, then they lay off workers, then they force ads in our face…and then report how well they’re doing. It’s not just about Netflix, it’s not just about ads. It’s about everything. Our very apparent place in this system. We are an integral part of their capitalist system. But we’re treated like fodder. It kind of should piss you off.
It’s always the same exact same lazy argument with corporate bootlickers.
“DoNt BuY iT!!!1!”
“CorPoRaTiOnS NeEd To MaKe MoNeY!!”
“YoU ArEnT EntTitLeD tO AnYThIng!!!”
“X,Y,Z IsNt A HuMaN RiGhT”
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
iAmTheTot@kbin.social
on 01 Feb 2024 00:35
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I think you may be the only person in my life that's described me as a corporate bootlicker.
Apparently telling a consumer to vote with their wallet is somehow pro corporate?
Sanctus@lemmy.world
on 01 Feb 2024 00:43
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Its cause you’re parroting bootlicker shit right now.
ada@lemmy.blahaj.zone
on 01 Feb 2024 02:11
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Apparently telling a consumer to vote with their wallet is somehow pro corporate?
Yes, it is. Because it ignores the reality of living in society. A kid that grows up without access to pop culture shows etc is bullied and harassed because they’re different and don’t fit in.
It ignores the reality that viable alternatives to ad supported content are becoming harder to find, creating a situation where people have to choose between a social disconnect and supporting a funding mechanism that they don’t agree with.
If “voting with your wallet” is the only option, then nothing changes in the consumers favour, because that’s the reality of capitalism.
agitatedpotato@lemmy.world
on 01 Feb 2024 17:50
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Piracy is voting with your wallet.
Lmaydev@programming.dev
on 01 Feb 2024 00:10
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They make plenty of money. They’re not exactly poor.
They’re trying to squeeze every penny they can out of people.
iAmTheTot@kbin.social
on 01 Feb 2024 00:29
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Yes, they are. I pretty much said that. Stop paying for it and send them a message that the value is not good anymore.
rtfm_modular@lemmy.world
on 01 Feb 2024 01:01
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Good concept in theory but consolidation of streaming services to a handful of providers in an $88 billion dollar industry means the reality for most is that you can culturally isolate yourself by not consuming or seek illegal means of getting your entertainment.
Voting with your dollars works for mom and pop shops, but a loss in viewership due to changes in fees was calculated and note in the ledger.
NoIWontPickaName@kbin.social
on 01 Feb 2024 01:14
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With that attitude it is, you’ve lost before you begun off you don’t try.
Lmaydev@programming.dev
on 01 Feb 2024 01:47
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Considering your attitude is “won’t someone think of the poor corporations” I don’t think you can really judge
NoIWontPickaName@kbin.social
on 01 Feb 2024 02:06
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What the fuck are you talking about?
My whole attitude was if you give up before you start your boycott, You will fail, yes, it may take a while, but if you get enough people They will fail
rtfm_modular@lemmy.world
on 01 Feb 2024 03:11
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The point is not to say all is lost so fuck it, but to highlight that maybe there are systemic issues with an unregulated free markets. Networks have consolidated into a handful of streaming services to a point where there are really no other options for consumers.
What are you going to do? Read a book? Go back to DVDs? They can afford the relatively few people willing to take an all or nothing proposition to squeeze consumers for all they got. They are also really good at lobbying to keep the law on their side to keep it that way.
NoIWontPickaName@kbin.social
on 01 Feb 2024 10:15
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So what solution would you like?
potatogunkelly@infosec.pub
on 01 Feb 2024 00:26
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How do you clean your tongue when you finally get it off billionaire boot. Do you need a special cleaning product or like does a regular tongue scraper do the trick? <img alt="" src="https://infosec.pub/pictrs/image/61af0323-4544-4cdc-be96-9f58af348290.jpeg">
iAmTheTot@kbin.social
on 01 Feb 2024 00:28
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Lol I'm anything but a billionaire sympathizer. Billionaires shouldn't exist.
potatogunkelly@infosec.pub
on 01 Feb 2024 01:03
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Dude, your answer to excesses of capitalism is “let the market solve it”. The only person you’re fooling is yourself and that only because it is the lowest bar possible
iAmTheTot@kbin.social
on 01 Feb 2024 02:50
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What am I fooling myself about, exactly?
DreadPotato@sopuli.xyz
on 01 Feb 2024 06:40
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That the market actually responds to consumer desires.
Unfortunately with the excessively oversized conglomerates that do vertical integration in an ever increasing number of industries, there is only the illusion of choice left for consumers. Not using any type of media (books, movies, etc.) is not actually a solution or a choice. So consumers are left with no choice but what is offered, and the offering is not dictated by their desires but by the companies who will screw you over to increase already obscene profits. The “vote with your wallet” argument you use leaves you with “pile of crap A” and “pile of crap B” to choose from, with no alternatives. Your solution is social disconnect from everything and everyone, that is not actually a solution or a real viable choice.
iAmTheTot@kbin.social
on 01 Feb 2024 13:42
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My guy, I'm talking about not paying for Netflix. Social disconnect? You're so dramatic. I haven't had Netflix in years.
DreadPotato@sopuli.xyz
on 01 Feb 2024 16:17
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You’re cutting one…but now they’re all doing the shit that made you quit Netflix, and you have no (legal) way of getting access to pop culture without endorsing the shitty behaviour that doesn’t listen to consumer desires. That is why “voting with your wallet” doesn’t work, because there is no alternative to vote for with your wallet. So unless you keep endorsing the shitty corporate behaviour, you’re pulling the plug on basically everything, and that is definitely a disconnection from many social interactions since you’ll have no clue what they’re talking about.
iAmTheTot@kbin.social
on 01 Feb 2024 17:00
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You don't have to watch the latest, hippest new show of streaming services so participate in society. I can't believe I'm even having this conversation, truthfully I'm baffled that I need to repudiate this.
But despite my sanity, I will engage with it... You know people still have dvd players, right? And libraries still exist? To be clear, I'm just trying to rebuke the absurd claim that you have "no way of getting access to poop culture" without streaming services.
DreadPotato@sopuli.xyz
on 02 Feb 2024 09:33
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How do you think people and libraries obtain their material? They dont get it for free, they buy it. So that still puts money in the hands of companies you’re trying not to give money. Every time you borrow something from the library, they pay a little to the copyright owner of that material. So you’re still supporting anti-consumer companies with your wallet by doing it like that. Like I said, voting with your wallet only works when there are alternatives, and we pretty much have none left.
potatogunkelly@infosec.pub
on 01 Feb 2024 10:46
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We’re a day deep in you not understanding that proposing a market mechanism (consumer choice) as a solution to a problem created by markets is risible. I could try and explain it you again but I can’t understand it for you, so let’s call it a day. i’m happy for you to be the only person in the room not getting it.
iAmTheTot@kbin.social
on 01 Feb 2024 13:40
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What solution do you propose?
potatogunkelly@infosec.pub
on 01 Feb 2024 15:24
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Ok, tell you what. i’ll engage with you as a good faith participant if you can meet the minimum bar. everyone else here knows what’s wrong with your suggestion. if you can persuasively explain that you also understand it (without reusing my words) i’ll happily believe you’re not an idiot and a waste of time and we can dig into what else might be an appropriate response
iAmTheTot@kbin.social
on 01 Feb 2024 15:55
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That doesn't seem like good faith at all.
As a reminder, this exchange between you and I begun because you called me a billionaire bootlicker. When I replied that I didn't think billionaires should exist, you said I was fooling myself. Instead taking me at face value when I told you my belief, you insinuated I don't know how I feel about my own beliefs.
You've been nothing but antagonistic when I'm pretty sure you'd find we would agree on probably a lot of things. We apparently disagree on the matter of if someone doesn't like the rising prices of Netflix, they should stop paying for it, though.
potatogunkelly@infosec.pub
on 01 Feb 2024 16:16
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That is a lot of words to say “no i can’t explain what’s wrong with my argument” but at least you’ve saved me a bunch of time champ
ada@lemmy.blahaj.zone
on 01 Feb 2024 02:02
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They shouldn’t exist? But you’re ok with the systems that actively reward and sustain the behaviour that creates them?
iAmTheTot@kbin.social
on 01 Feb 2024 02:47
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No? When did I say that?
Steve@communick.news
on 01 Feb 2024 00:37
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I’m with you right up until the end.
Then I start downloading everything again. 🏴☠️
FabledAepitaph@lemmy.world
on 01 Feb 2024 15:08
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Another way to look at this, is that we were all shoved in to a society with a financial system that basically requires the expenditure of money to get along. If I’m not entitled to the media, why are they entitled to my money? At the end of the day, none of us asked to be here. Since the dawn of time, people have been taking what they’ve wanted and what they’ve needed–be thankful we’re in a phase of society that were taking pirated media and complaining about pricing, instead of taking eachothers lives for survival (which isn’t even universally true yet lol). I would also argue, but not with any conviction, that we need to consume at least -some- of this media to be able to participate maximally in society. Everyone loves movies and media, and if you’re the one person not consuming it, you’re an outcast. Outcasts proverbially die alone away from the warmth of the communal fire. It’s just human nature, tbh
iAmTheTot@kbin.social
on 01 Feb 2024 15:56
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They're not entitled to your money.
FabledAepitaph@lemmy.world
on 01 Feb 2024 16:32
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Yeah. The risk of piracy is just the cost of doing business, imo. If you want less piracy, all they have to do is improve price and ease of access. But they’ve already run the numbers and determined that the current price point is where they will see maximum profit. It’s like they’ve approved the “theft” themselves haha
Thorny_Insight@lemm.ee
on 01 Feb 2024 04:19
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They probably wouldn’t need to pull stunts like this if people just accepted that the price will slowly increase over time. However they don’t. People hate when someone increases prices. The issue here however is that 10 euros 5 years ago buys you more than 10 euros today and that’s how it will always be. If a company like Netflix just sticks to the 10 euros a month price for decades then the only way to maintain the same amount of revenue is to gain more customers each year. However if the number of customers stays the same aswell as the prices then they’re effectively making less profit each year.
Quadhammer@lemmy.world
on 01 Feb 2024 16:55
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So back in the day we did this thing called boycotting and it worked pretty well. If people didn’t care they just kept their mouth shut and their lives improved anyway
LinkOpensChest_wav@lemmy.dbzer0.com
on 31 Jan 2024 23:59
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Paid services with ads are unconscionable and should not be supported, but I do watch Tubi or Pluto sometimes, and it’s not nearly as bad as the amount of ads I see on my parents’ screen with cable
Chetzemoka@startrek.website
on 01 Feb 2024 00:05
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Agreed, in my experience Tubi and Pluto both have very reasonable length, good quality ads. I declined to re-up on YouTube TV for NCAA football season this year specifically because I can stand their ads. At that price tier, they honestly expect me to sit through My Pillow ads??
ovalofsand@lemmy.world
on 01 Feb 2024 07:06
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The ads are so much less anxiety inducing as well. At least, on Pluto they are
someguy3@lemmy.world
on 01 Feb 2024 00:35
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So are commercial randomly placed, or are the shows paced to have commercial breaks like the old tv days?
MeatsOfRage@lemmy.world
on 01 Feb 2024 00:44
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Content providers can probably include chapter markers in their content. I also suspect it’s not hard to detect a scene transition. Failing these, randomly placed.
This was my problem with hulu back in the day. Short episodes like Futurama would have a commercial shoved in at like 3 minutes and then again at 10 or whatever, it was obnoxious and shittily implemented.
The thing I always noticed when a service places their own ads, is even when there are “ad breaks” on the timeline, the ads don’t always show up there. Or the screen blacks out for a few seconds, then the show plays, THEN the ad would play.
Granted, this was a while ago when I actually put up with that bullshit, so maybe it’s changed by now. But it was done very, very sloppily and is almost certainly a creator’s worst nightmare for the story.
TheFriar@lemm.ee
on 01 Feb 2024 01:52
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Even if the creators weren’t pissed, the entire selling point of streaming was on demand, ad free, and a large library to choose from. Every single streaming service that subdivided Netflix and Hulu’s content shares have reneged on that entire concept by creating smaller libraries, making them unaffordable, and now they’re shoehorning in ads if we won’t cough up more money.
It’s almost like a moral imperative to pirate from these fuckers.
HAL_9_TRILLION@lemmy.dbzer0.com
on 01 Feb 2024 03:03
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If you trust any corporate media concern to not succumb to enshittification, then you deserve to watch your stupid commercials. You paid for the privilege because you enabled the abuser.
I prefer to get what I pay for and I pay for nothing, media-wise. If I watch ads, it’s because I’m watching something like the Super Bowl with my OTA DVR that’s playing on network TV. It’s free, so OK - commercials. If I’m watching anything else, it’s on my Plex server and there are no commercials.
I do pay for entertainment. I pay for experiences, like going to the movies, going to live rock shows, going to performances or exhibitions - all IRL - but that’s about it. I might consider paying for other entertainment options but there is one thing I won’t ever do: I won’t pay for media that I don’t own and I won’t watch commercials for media I paid for.
Edit: look at all the butthurt. Go ahead and keep paying through the nose then if you like it so much. I’m sure all the millionaires and billionaires who profit off your largesse will continue to treat you with the same kindness as they have in the past.
Empricorn@feddit.nl
on 01 Feb 2024 08:31
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“People deserve to be exploited because they dared to use a convenient, affordable service.”
Seriously, what a bad take. It’s not like I gave them all my passwords and Power of Attorney! It’s fine your budgeting decisions work for you, but you shouldn’t cheer on companies providing a bad experience to customers that “trusted” them…
gapbetweenus@feddit.de
on 01 Feb 2024 10:14
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You understand that someone has to pay for that entertainment shit you use to kill your time with? You are literally shitting on people who are paying for you.
The entire selling point of cable was no signal loss and ad free… Then the point of satellite was more options and ad free. Those sneaky ads keep finding their way in.
gapbetweenus@feddit.de
on 01 Feb 2024 10:15
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Ads is basically free money for broadcasters. And since greed is the main motivation - the dissension seems to be rather easy for them.
How is it even attributed to singular ads for example ? Isn’t that kinda impossible ?^^
porksoda@lemmy.world
on 01 Feb 2024 21:29
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Don’t forget that on-demand is being reduced as well now that many platforms are trickling out episodes for their marquee shows at a weekly rate. Looking at you Apple.
Firenz@lemmy.world
on 02 Feb 2024 08:27
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There is a simple solution for that. Rotate your services every 3 months, watch the entire season and only come back when there’s something to watch.
Quality over quantity is something streaming services can’t do. There’s so much shit shoved in our faces that I find myself watching less and less. Is a crash on the horizon or can the market sustain the number of active participants?
It’s a real shame because piracy is bridging the service gap which the industry themselves managed to eliminate, albeit briefly, only to introduce it again.
MammyWhammy@lemmy.ml
on 02 Feb 2024 16:39
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I much prefer the trickle of releases to a lump season dump.
It allows time to digest, discuss and catch up throughout the release schedule if you’re invested in the story. You can convince your friends to watch a few episodes to catch up and then watch the end of the season together.
You can read fan theories online, formulate your own, and overall each weekly episode can result in a lot of engaging fun interactions.
With a series dump you have to binge it and wait for others to do the same in order to talk about it. The whole time you’re actively avoiding spoilers from friends/coworkers and avoiding reading about it online. The end result is you disengage from the fandoms/communities while you are getting through the show, which to me takes a lot of the fun out of a big show.
I compare the difference between Stranger Things and GoT. To me these are probably two of the most significant pop-culture releases in the last decade or so.
Game of Thrones resulted in hundreds of thousands of theories every week online and in public. T-Shirts were made based on popular online theories that never panned out in season. You would rag on friends who guessed the plot twist wrong and deify those who got their predictions spot on. Especially in my demographic the two months GoT was on was all about GoT.
Stranger Things on the other hand, while still wildly popular hits differently. It’s much more of a build up to release, a week or two of “man that was awesome” followed by “I hope they make the next season soon.” Retroactive discussions happen for a while, but the discussions and the hype fizzles much more quickly.
If I want to watch a trickle release show in one dump, I still can, I just wait until the whole season out, reactivate the subscription. Then I binge it.
For me it’s much more fun to have an episode or two a week and build momentum through a season than it is to set off a one time firework.
Xenny@lemmy.world
on 01 Feb 2024 01:54
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I let all my streaming subscriptions die off when my debit card expired this year and I haven’t looked back. Gaming is cheaper and more entertaining. All the new movies I would want to watch never make it to streaming services anyway (without an additional rental fee)
lagomorphlecture@lemm.ee
on 01 Feb 2024 02:19
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That’s all fine and good but I want to point out so everyone can watch out for this - sometimes if you have a subscription and your card expires or gets lost/stolen and replaced, companies can somehow get your new card info without you giving it to them and keep your shit active. So you can’t assume that a new card will take care of old subscriptions that you totally forgot about. You have to check your statements.
ManosTheHandsOfFate@lemmy.world
on 01 Feb 2024 03:29
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That’s some bullshit. I hate that they can do that. They spin it as a convenience but I’d rather update all my accounts with the new card manually.
Spaghetti_Hitchens@kbin.social
on 01 Feb 2024 04:50
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I had to deal with rhis with Doordash. Someone was making purchases on there with a card. I called an cancelled the card and get a replacement. Charges start coming in on the new card. Cancel and replace again. Charges still keep coming. I finally had to yalk to Doordash for hours to get them to remove the original card.
I think you might be able to call your bank and ask them to turn off this “service”
lolcatnip@reddthat.com
on 02 Feb 2024 00:26
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That sounds an awful lot like credit card fraud to me!
realitista@lemm.ee
on 01 Feb 2024 10:41
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Yeah if you buy good games they have a much better cost to entertainment ratios than having a bunch of streaming services do. It’s the games I end up not liking that ruin it.
frostysauce@lemmy.world
on 01 Feb 2024 16:20
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Just wait until games start injecting ads…
shyguyblue@lemmy.world
on 01 Feb 2024 23:56
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Start?
Sterile_Technique@lemmy.world
on 01 Feb 2024 02:56
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InternetUser2012@midwest.social
on 01 Feb 2024 03:08
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I had subscriptions to 4 different streaming sites. They pull bullshit and I cancelled. I now watch everything on one site with better quality streams and no commercials for the cost of a nice vpn. I didn’t drop them because I can’t afford it, I dropped them because their service sucked and I’m not going to deal with or support that BULLSHIT.
cyberpunk007@lemmy.ca
on 01 Feb 2024 04:13
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What site is this?
Reddfugee42@lemmy.world
on 01 Feb 2024 04:17
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I love torrents but my uncle is always talking about Flixtor
Lemonparty@lemm.ee
on 01 Feb 2024 04:20
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What site? DM if you’d rather not comment. I ain’t no snitch
Hammerheart@programming.dev
on 01 Feb 2024 23:22
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If also like to know what site this is so i can avoid it. I DMed you.
TheDoozer@lemmy.world
on 01 Feb 2024 04:59
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Okay, I need to say it: having an ad for your own programming is still an ad.
Paramount. I’m looking at you, Paramount. I don’t want to watch your shitty movie/TV show/whatever about the shitty mom from the His Dark Materials series losing another kid. Stop playing the same goddamn ad for it before every episode of Star Trek: The Next Generation. Especially since you feel the need to double whatever goddamn volume I have set in the opening to the ad. I pay for the subscription, I already bought your product. Fuck off with your shitty ad.
I mean, others do it too and it pisses me off, but I’m on Season 2 of TNG and I may just have to get it some other way and canceling Paramount because that ad has started really getting to me.
Dark_Arc@social.packetloss.gg
on 01 Feb 2024 05:25
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Paramount definitely seems to be the worst about this … their app in general is really frustrating.
Max does it occasionally but it’s rare enough I don’t notice.
KredeSeraf@lemmy.world
on 01 Feb 2024 05:47
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When a company gets that hostile in their design to their paying customers is when I start advocating for flying a Jolly Roger.
Honestly, a preview for another show on the same service doesn’t bother me AS LONG AS it is skippable. I’ve never used paramount so I’m not sure if that’s the case.
If I’m being honest when I was a kid part of the fun of going to the movies was the previews before, finding out about upcoming movies and what not.
I do agree that you shouldn’t see the same preview every episode cause that’s super annoying. But I’d be totally fine with one per session or something. Again, as long as it’s skippable right from the start.
elrik@lemmy.world
on 01 Feb 2024 10:38
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It’s not skippable as far as I can tell. It also frequently advertises shows I’ve already watched. Sometimes it advertises the show I’m trying to watch.
I’m pretty sure it also has the “ad counter” showing on the screen during this as well.
Here’s what they call it in their docs:
You’ll also see a quick preview only once per day before any show to keep you up-to-date on our original programming.
It’s not an ad, it’s a “preview.” /s
LastYearsPumpkin@feddit.ch
on 02 Feb 2024 16:11
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If you exit out and then start the show again, it skips the pre-roll. It’s annoying, but slightly faster than waiting and watching the 30 second pre-roll.
LastYearsPumpkin@feddit.ch
on 02 Feb 2024 16:10
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They advertise as extra $ for ad free, but then they put ads in it. That’s dishonest.
What I have to do whenever I watch a show is start the show, get the pre-roll, exit out, then start the show again. It’s annoying and a stupid hoop to jump through just to not have to watch the same pre-roll over and over.
WallEx@feddit.de
on 01 Feb 2024 06:58
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Itsamelemmy@lemmy.zip
on 01 Feb 2024 08:11
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Still annoying, but hit back and restart the episode. So far that’s caused it to start without the ad for me.
TheDoozer@lemmy.world
on 01 Feb 2024 15:43
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Thanks, I’ll try that!
Dark_Dragon@lemmy.dbzer0.com
on 02 Feb 2024 05:42
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That is the problem. Why should i be doing that? Aren’t I paying them for my convenience? At this rate pirating sites make me do lesser hassle than the legit sites.
Itsamelemmy@lemmy.zip
on 02 Feb 2024 08:51
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Oh I know. Having issues with my plex server, so I’m currently subscribed to Disney/Hulu, Netflix, paramount & max. Paramount is straight trash, so many issues. Max won’t save my play history half of the time, one show it won’t even put in the continue watching section so I have to search for it every time. Shouldn’t have to deal with all this crap when you’re paying for it.
JasSmith@sh.itjust.works
on 02 Feb 2024 09:10
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Yes! I pay for an ad free experience on YouTube but support tells me that ads for their own products don’t count. Fuckers.
stochasticity@lemmy.world
on 01 Feb 2024 05:03
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What’s that thing spinning? Somebody should stop it!
Turn hard to port! (That’s not port) Now I’ve got it!
Trust me, I’m in control!
Copernican@lemmy.world
on 01 Feb 2024 05:41
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TV economics are hard. I think where basic cable and network TV make it work is that the content was filmed in a way to have natural ad breaks to make it less disruptive to the viewing experience. That becomes terrible when you shoehorn ads into places they don’t belong. On the other hand, watching that content without ad breaks that was filmed with ad breaks also plays out weird because you’ll have that commercial cliffhaner music/scene that is quickly followed with resolution before you have time to wonder “what is going to happen?” So shit gets weird when you have a tier model where some people get ad breaks and others don’t because your content isn’t made to satisfy both use cases.
TV is expensive to make and these are businesses that make money. A simple reductive “if user pays any money they deserve no ads” problem. It’s a challenge of things like “The business needs to make X dollars per user and if we have ads we need to charge Y bucks where Y = X - expected ad revenue.” The other challenge is in order to have an ad business you need to convince advertisers you have ad viewers they want to reach. Well, advertisers like rich people with lots of money, and they probably don’t have the cheaper ad supported tiers. So can a TV company really support a completely ad free tier? Or do they still need to serve some, but less ads, to make sure their advertisers know they can get their ads seen by the platforms richest users?
DreadPotato@sopuli.xyz
on 01 Feb 2024 06:13
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It’s an industry that’s earning literal billions every single year…they absolutely don’t need to have ads, they could serve their paying users a good ad-free product, and still make money. They choose to deliberately annoy their paying customers because they’re fucking greedy.
Plopp@lemmy.world
on 01 Feb 2024 10:19
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They choose to deliberately annoy their paying customers because…
Capitalism. Must not only make profits, and must not only make the same profits as last time, but must make MORE profits. They must always increase or else you’re declining according to capitalism. The greed is built in to the system.
Fuck the system.
Copernican@lemmy.world
on 01 Feb 2024 15:19
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I don’t know why lemmy users love spreading misinformation that all streaming platforms are taking in profit hand over fist.
DreadPotato@sopuli.xyz
on 01 Feb 2024 16:09
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I’m not talkong about streaming services in an isolated case, I’m talking about the entire company behind it. It only makes sense to evaluate them as a whole and not their subcategories in isolation from the rest of their company.
Paramount, Disney and HBO are profiting in the billions.
Copernican@lemmy.world
on 01 Feb 2024 17:03
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You were talking about the streaming platform specifically as an industry.
it’s an industry that’s earning literal billions every single year…they absolutely don’t need to have ads, they could serve their paying users a good ad-free product, and still make money. They choose to deliberately annoy their paying customers because they’re fucking greedy.
It’s okay to be corrected.
treesapx@lemmy.world
on 01 Feb 2024 07:16
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I mean, it’s pretty simple for me in that I won’t pay for a streaming service that has ads. Others might, but I don’t care what others pay for. I left cable for this reason and I’ll leave its next incarnation if that is to be.
jaybone@lemmy.world
on 01 Feb 2024 09:28
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It is worse than broadcast.
If you learn anything about screenwriting, there are certain patterns and structures you follow (like acts in a play) to accommodate commercials, like to build suspense and keep the viewer interested and not changing the channel.
Streaming never had this, if you look at shows written for these platforms. The writers either ignored or didn’t even know about these conventions.
Now adding commercials later, it is even more annoying to the viewer as the original material was not meant to accommodate them.
Streaming just keeps fucking up. I already canceled my netflix. I’m on basic cable for network tv and I just pirate everything else.
XTornado@lemmy.ml
on 01 Feb 2024 13:25
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Wait… They add advertising in the middle of shows? I thought it would be at the beginning, between episodes, on the UI, etc.
clay_pidgin@sh.itjust.works
on 01 Feb 2024 14:10
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Nope, it’s classic ad breaks, but since the shows weren’t made expecting them the ads just appear suddenly every X minutes instead.
VicksVaporBBQrub@sh.itjust.works
on 01 Feb 2024 17:12
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By streamers ignoring all the decades of broadcasting experience, and all established what’s fair air-time for both content and commercial. That’s the frustration… they’re rewriting standards… “my company, my content, my timings, my bottom-line”. And doing it poorly. And at top speed.
laverabe@lemmy.world
on 01 Feb 2024 17:14
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Why are you on basic cable for network tv? It’s broadcast over the air in HD for free.
hardcoreufo@lemmy.world
on 02 Feb 2024 02:04
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Some people live in areas with poor service even with beefy antennas.
Blue_Morpho@lemmy.world
on 01 Feb 2024 21:37
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Get an hdhomerun or equivalent for local TV at home in a streaming format. It even integrates into Plex for DVR.
A cheaper solution (if you’re already running a server) would be TVheadend and a cheap USB-dongle for DVB-T, DVB-C or DVB-S.
shyguyblue@lemmy.world
on 01 Feb 2024 23:50
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And with streaming, you’re not locked into a 42-47 minute long episode either, so are some episodes going to have more, or is there someone with a stop watch going “this seems like a good place for an ad break”?
gapbetweenus@feddit.de
on 01 Feb 2024 10:08
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Stop supporting greedy bastards that are trying to push hard psychological manipulation down you throat, only for you to buy so shit no-one needs.
It’s so weird that everybody knows how bad propaganda is and yet we let corporations do it to us hundreds of times per day every single day.
HawlSera@lemm.ee
on 01 Feb 2024 10:12
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Yo ho ho I took a bite of Gum Gum!
cozy_agent@lemmy.world
on 01 Feb 2024 10:26
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Got Disney plus subscription for free through some other stuff I need to have, but it’s the ad supported standard plan, you pay and still get loads of ads.
Even with the subscription I just download stuff for my Jellyfin.
realitista@lemm.ee
on 01 Feb 2024 10:40
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I’m using this streaming service called Sonarr+plex. No ads so far.
One of many reasons to use Jellyfin instead of Plex.
TheBig2023Meltdown@lemmy.world
on 01 Feb 2024 13:55
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Is there a media server that allows accounts to have groups of profiles?
Even emby, or jellyfin don’t support this. Really wish they did. Then I can give each household a single account for their device and have a netflix like experience
edit: what I’m looking for is user groups, or nested users. So AccountA contains UserA1, UserA2 etc and AccountB contains UserB1, UserB2, and so on
retrieval4558@mander.xyz
on 01 Feb 2024 14:03
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I’m not really sure what you mean by “groups” of profiles, but you can definitely set up multiple different users on Jellyfin
zipzoopaboop@lemmynsfw.com
on 01 Feb 2024 15:54
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With different permissions
Im_old@lemmy.world
on 01 Feb 2024 17:34
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yes. My kids have an account that can only see kids stuff (and they are not admins either of course). I have admin rights. My wife can see everything but no admin rights. If you mean “I need a KIDS group where I can put all my kids’ accounts so they inherit the same permissions” then no.
You can set up different user accounts and grant them different levels of access and functionality (i.e. disallow CPU-hogging transcodes). Users can also be restricted by MAC and hidden from the login screen unless you know the exact login name.
I have Jellyfin on my NAS and the “TV” user with which the living room TV is logged in only has permission to see certain folders of my movie library.
I wonder if what they’re asking for is some sort of RBAC? All members of house A can all access content A and cannot access content B. But each individual retains distinct viewing history.
TheBig2023Meltdown@lemmy.world
on 02 Feb 2024 00:24
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I want them to have one account to log in with, and there are 4 profiles within that account. No need for every person on the server to have their profile on one huge page like plex
Clent@lemmy.world
on 01 Feb 2024 22:02
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I would pay for someone to have a server that tracked who watched something. Not just assume the “account owner” watched it but the other people sitting next to them too.
Apparently the creators of these apps are all loners.
Jellyfin allows you to hide any profile from the login screen. If you hide them all, every user would have to manually login (username+password). That’s not quite the Netflix-like experience where you click your profile, but it would at least hide all the users from other households (but also your own).
TheBig2023Meltdown@lemmy.world
on 02 Feb 2024 16:55
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Yeah I understand that, I’ve done a lot of research into it and not got any solution
Most people aren’t willing to type out a username and password just to use their profile. I want the login to be one time, and just their profiles to show up. And every household has their own set of profiles
Right now, I just have added one person from each household and they all share that same profile. I’ve added them to my Plex home so they get skip intro and whatever other Plex pass benefit. The issue with this, is that everyone shares a single profile per household (apart from my family) and we’re all lumped together in one screen
Zink@programming.dev
on 02 Feb 2024 14:26
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Given that I have a lifetime Plex pass, what are the advantages that jellyfin would give me?
I got the Plex pass years ago when they were on sale, and it’s nice that Plex has apps for mobile devices and smart TVs.
Thanks! It’s one of my favourite songs, though I usually prefer the Captain Tractor version, heh
badbytes@lemmy.world
on 01 Feb 2024 16:46
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As I ironically, read the article, ads kept appearing over text.
agitatedpotato@lemmy.world
on 01 Feb 2024 17:48
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Just here to remind everyone while piracy is important, it’s also very important to teach the less tech savy among your acquaintances how to pirate too. Conglomerates only learn when their bottom line is effected after all, so teach all your friends how to hoist that black flag.
nexusband@lemmy.world
on 01 Feb 2024 21:01
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IF you go down that route, there needs to be a warning: Do it properly, use a VPN if you are torrenting, get a usenet account if you want fast speeds that encrypts the connection and so on - basically, teach it correct. Because some countries or rather law agencies WILL hunt you down if they even get some hint of your actual IP-Address…
Shadywack@lemmy.world
on 01 Feb 2024 22:06
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Or they send a DMCA to your ISP, and then your ISP gives you 3 warnings and a boot. VPN is the way.
JackbyDev@programming.dev
on 02 Feb 2024 02:40
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Yeah. I’ve only really got one ISP option at my house that isn’t DSL.
captain_aggravated@sh.itjust.works
on 01 Feb 2024 22:25
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This. Just yesterday I bought a batch of films, DVD’s 1$ and Blu-Rays 1,5$ a piece. And they were mostly new films.
DVD’s are perfectly fine for TV and Blu-Rays for my projector.
I never jumped to the streaming bandwagon and my disc collection has grown exponentially in the last few years, since most people gave up on discs. Their loss.
hogmomma@lemmy.world
on 02 Feb 2024 16:45
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Curious about your movie-buying habits… How do you determine what you buy? Movies that look interesting? That you’ve seen before? A little bit of both?
I collect movies that I know to be good. I’ve been a true film freak for over 35 years and I’ve learned how to find “my thing” from the vast market with the help from my friends, reviews and forums. Or when I see a truly good one at a theatre, it goes to my buy list and it might take years for it to come my way.
I have never bought a movie just because of the covers, this has actually never even occurred to me. I did rent films this way back in the day, but I only buy stuff I know.
Nowadays I rarely find anything I haven’t already seen before, but just few weeks ago I came by a modern classic that I was unable to see in a proper theatre. I save these specialties to watch with a projector and a good sound system, hopefully in a few weeks I’ll find the time…
Boiglenoight@lemmy.world
on 01 Feb 2024 23:44
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I considering piracy after Netflix came out. Does it have ads yet.
Edit: wow, that’s not what I meant to type. I haven’t considered piracy since Netflix became a thing. And so far, I haven’t seen any ads on that service. Still finding plenty to watch on that in my spare time as well. Currently enjoying Fall of the House of Usher, the live action One-Piece, and a Supertroopers like show called Tacoma FD.
I think Debrid services are the easiest and safest to get started. They download files for you from various services (share hosters and torrents), and then let you download them from their servers. That means only they know your IP (but don’t log it, like a VPN), and they also download with full speed from sites that require a premium account, for a fraction of the cost. With RDT-Client you can also use some of them with Arr apps, once you get to automating the process.
Another thing would be Usenet. It’s surprisingly easy to set up and get started, just find a provider, some indexers, and a download client. It has a ton of good content, and it doesn’t depend on seeders for file availability and high download speeds.
With those two you can download anonymously and at high speeds from all the popular sources (most share hosters, torrents, Usenet), and you don’t run the risk of leaking your IP because you haven’t set things up correctly.
ScaNtuRd@lemmy.world
on 02 Feb 2024 01:09
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I haven’t used streaming services in a couple of years. Now I’m just doing all piracy and watching it through my Jellyfin server
kandoh@reddthat.com
on 02 Feb 2024 01:38
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It just requires so much more foresight in planning what you’re going to watch.
hardcoreufo@lemmy.world
on 02 Feb 2024 01:58
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Not with enough server space.
Bakkoda@sh.itjust.works
on 02 Feb 2024 02:11
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I can request a show, do a load of laundry and have it available. I’ve decent enough Internet where a movie can be available in as little as 5 minutes if it finds a nice little hevc webrip. I get that it’s not instant but a proper setup can have you rocking and rolling in under an hour.
spez_@lemmy.world
on 02 Feb 2024 02:41
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JasSmith@sh.itjust.works
on 02 Feb 2024 09:08
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It’s a fair criticism but I find the drawbacks to be quite tolerable compared to the benefits. Each person must do their own calculus. As the user above alluded to, there are apps which make the experience almost seamless. My two favourite apps ever are Radarr and Sonarr.
zaphod@feddit.de
on 02 Feb 2024 18:58
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Streaming services aren’t much better, they regularly didn’t have what I wanted to watch and I’m not subscribing to more than one. Now I’m subscribing to none and watch what I want instead of what Netflix has available.
ScaNtuRd@lemmy.world
on 07 Feb 2024 18:12
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Well I just download more or less everything that comes out lol. It’s like having my own streaming service with thousands if movies and shows available.
_sideffect@lemmy.world
on 02 Feb 2024 16:59
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I just recently stopped as well… Have to still cancel prime though
steelrat@lemmy.world
on 02 Feb 2024 04:40
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I’m amazed that they have any customers paying to listen to ads. I wont stand for it and I find it surprising others would.
asdfasdfasdf@lemmy.world
on 02 Feb 2024 16:24
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The alternative is either:
Don’t watch the show / movie you wanted to - unacceptable sacrifice for a lot of people.
Break the law / pirate - some people really dislike this, or else are scared, or are not technically savvy enough to know how to or that it’s even an option.
Sometimes it’s too much trouble, like if you pirate a show you need to get subtitles in your own language and hope the times line up.
I agree it’s unacceptable for me, but I also get why so many people just put up with it.
Do these services not offer a more expensive ad-free plan?
asdfasdfasdf@lemmy.world
on 02 Feb 2024 18:05
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I’m sure they do, but I issue is they already were / should have been making a profit on the existing, bottom tier ad free plan. Now it’s just price gouging by adding ads to existing tier instead of adding new cheaper tier with ads.
In one year Amazon made it impossible to listen to albums on Prime Music, and shoved ads into everything on Prime Video.
Easy cancel for me. I can go without your next day shipping.
Better still I can buy from someone else.
Poem_for_your_sprog@lemmy.world
on 02 Feb 2024 17:11
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Qobuz
_sideffect@lemmy.world
on 02 Feb 2024 17:05
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Because they HAVE to increase their share values year after year; just making billions isn’t good enough, they have to make more billions compared to the last year.
It’s truly pure greed, as streaming was amazing when it first started, and Netflix was making a killing even back then. But now, nope, fuck you all, we want more and more until we can’t squeeze anything more out from you.
It’s why I’ve increased my kodi/real debrid usage over the past few years
AdolfSchmitler@lemmy.world
on 02 Feb 2024 17:35
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I’ve tried to argue a company that made $800k profit this year even tho they made $900k last year is still a profitable business and people unironically argue that company is dying and bad…
_sideffect@lemmy.world
on 02 Feb 2024 18:10
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Big number = good
Smaller number = bad
It works for them when dealing with shareholders
MrShankles@reddthat.com
on 02 Feb 2024 19:19
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Went to check out the “Mr and Mrs Smith” series on Prime (with Donald Glover), and was notified that there would be ads now unless I upgraded. I almost never watch anything on Prime, but figured “why not, I already have it”… and then immediately closed it when I saw that message. Switched back over to Stremio, cause why the fuck would I watch ads when I already pay for the service? Gotta convince the wife to cancel Prime, but it’s next on the chopping block. Only ones left will be youtube music (family still uses it) and Debrid (which will stay for as long as it’s good). Netflix, Hulu, Disney, ESPN, HBO… all of them gone
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This is the best summary I could come up with:
After a swift click on “not now,” this viewer cued up one of the more successful titles currently gracing Amazon’s roster — the second season of beefcake vigilante drama Reacher.
Interruptions, which included a spot for another series (Hudson & Rex, starring a German Shepherd detective) and a reminder from the folks at Intuit Turbotax that filling season has commenced, were indeed limited.
“We fought so hard to get rid of commercials,” says Alan Poul, executive producer and director of Max original Tokyo Vice which returns for a second season on Feb. 8.
Paramount expands its own ad-supported tier internationally later in 2024 — and though no official plans have been announced, recent hires at Apple TV+ suggest the tech behemoth will eventually introduce ads as well.
David E. Kelley, the one-time broadcast golden boy who gave audiences Picket Fences, Chicago Hope and Ally McBeal before pivoting to premiere outlets like HBO (Big Little Lies) and Netflix (The Lincoln Lawyer), seems similarly disenchanted.
Netflix, which recently cited that 40 percent of all new sign-ups opt for ads, announced the “retirement” of its least expensive commercial-free tier in the coming second quarter.
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What I want to know is how much money could insurance companies (cough, Liberty Mutual, cough) POSSIBLY be saving people when they are buying ads on every video on Youtube.
I always wondered what if someone started an insurance business that didn’t spend billions on advertisements, it just offered genuinely lower rates. When you sign up you have to sign something promising you’ll tell 2 other people.
“We can’t lower prices! Look at how much we have to spend!!”
Points at billions in ad slots being watched by mostly AI now
The Market Basket of insurance companies - solid, quality products, at a reasonable price, because they simply don’t do any marketing.
Massachusetts (funny enough also where MB is popular) used to have only small car insurance companies, I think it had something to do with no-fault or something. But they opened up to the Geicos and co. A decade or so ago.
There are plenty of insurance companies that are like this. They’re significantly cheaper than the nationally advertised insurance options.
That’s what you’re seeing. Not what I’m seeing. Welcome to the wonderful world of targeted ads.
I only get Doctor Drew telling me stuff is a metabolism killer.
Weird then that I don’t need insurance and am not looking for insurance…
And I’m super skinny and don’t need to speed up my metabolism. It’s not perfect, but we both sit in a demographic cohort that seems to really buy what they’re pushing to us.
I’m always getting those crappy State Farm ads with celebrities like Ludacris, who always look slightly embarrassed to be appearing in the ads
And equally that I have had LM for decades and that’s all I see ads for … yeah, real effective targeted advertising.
I get douche bros peddling instant meal powder crap. Which I have never, ever, looked for or researched, but my wife’s shopping habits tend to dictate my ads, even though we’re on completely different devices.
Yeah, if you’re going through the same router, it’s going to be one IP. My guess is that I get the metabolism stuff because of my spouse.
That’s a feature. When you start to get diaper ads it’s time for some news.
Lol, I get eavestrough filters and fat guy t-shirts. They can tell I’m an old fucker but not that I’m skinny as hell
You guys watch ads on YouTube? When YT gets the better of UblockO for a couple days, I just open the YT homepage, see which of the regular channels I check out have new videos or I look through my recommended and then I open piped or yewtu.be. Fuck YT. I refuse to watch ads. When I open a YT link through lemmy, I’ll close the window immediately if an ad starts playing. Fuck these companies.
I have ad blocker at the router level, but I often toggle it off when it interrupts marketing experiences that I need to see for work.
May I ask what you are using for a blocker?
I went over a month with zero issues using UBO on YouTube. Coincidentally today for some reason the site started breaking so I updated the quick fixes filter list and that solved it.
I mostly get ads for stuff I’ve researched online; anything I buy for the house, kitchen, or simply tools for business, I make sure is “Buy It For Life” quality
Targeted ads are hilarious. Yes, Google, I did. I did just buy a pair of Knipex Cobra pipe grips. That will be the last time ever I buy them, and they will still be hanging around a secondhand shop 150 years after I’ve turned to fuckin dust. The advert for Shungong Best Grip is a fuckin waste of electrons
They’d lose money. Advertising works - that’s why companies are doing it.
There’s a great NPR podcast about this.
The Gecko effect.
www.npr.org/transcripts/1102496094
Yo-ho, all together, hoist the coooolors high…
Yup, streaming has just become cable v2. I dusted off the VPN and went back to that. As a famous someone once said:
If the experience with piracy is FAR superior to streaming you can guess which way I’m going to go…
Pirating is work. Streaming was convenience.
The less convenient streaming is, the more likely I’m willing to work.
Was work
Piracy is not a lot of work nowadays. Setting it up once takes some time, but after that everything is automated. If I want to watch a movie or show, I enter my overseer URL into a browser, search the name of it, click on request, and a few minutes later it will be ready to watch on my Plex and Jellyfin, that are also shared with friends and family so they can also browse my library and request stuff easily
Sounds like a dream. Is there a guide for that setup?
dev.to/…/home-media-server-with-plex-sonarr-radar…
Keep in mind that in most countries you will need a VPN to safely download torrents without getting a copyright notice. And for torrenting you need a VPN that supports port forwarding
Thank you very much.
What VPN do you suggest?
I personally use Torguard. It’s pretty cheap, especially on sale, supports port forwarding, is fast enough to saturate my internet connection, and supports Wireguard
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I dropped prime after the announcement… Who’s next?
What pisses me off is that I signed up for a year last summer. This change should not have happened for people who already paid for Prime.
With shipping getting worse, yeah … I’m cancelling that.
Guess Bezos doesn’t have enough money.
Are you even getting two-day shipping anymore? I canceled Prime last year because my non-Prime items were arriving well before my Prime ones, with Prime sometimes taking two weeks.
With their sucky shipping, having to navigate a minefield of cheap trash-tier products, and now their video service getting riddled with ads – I think if Amazon were just being introduced to the world in its current state, no one would even use it. We’d consider it a joke.
All Amazon has going for it anymore is that it’s known and people use it out of habit.
That’s how enshittification works - they lure you in with too good to be true promises & then slowly fuck you over year after year to increase profit.
Wait, is the two-day shipping taking forever happening for everyone? I thought it was just because I moved to Alaska. It takes 2-4 weeks (and doesn’t show up about 10-20% of the time) for anything, but Walmart and Target stuff gets here in less than a week.
I used to get it in 2 days here in South Dakota, but around 2020 or 21 it started taking progressively longer, until it was actually slower than normal shipping times.
3 main reason I cancelled Amazon:
We weren’t watching it anyway and we can handle waiting a few days for shipping. We dropped it too.
Canceling ours tomorrow actually.
I have a hard time understanding why a option to view it either with ads or pay money to not show ads is bad.
I understand it’s frustrating that you already pay and still see ads.
In the end you choose to buy something from a company which sells something. Either you pay with your money or with your attention if you don’t want to pay, just don’t use their service.
I much rather have the option to pay to get rid of ads than not having it like it was in the 90ies.
Because it’s a gradual death-march to pricing out the ad free tiers entirely. Right now we’re in the ‘illusion of choice’ phase. But ad free tiers will continue to become more and more expensive until one day corporations can turn around and justify removing them by blaming consumers. “We’re getting rid of our ad-free plans due to lack of consumer interest.” It won’t be a lack of interest. It’ll be a lack of affordability. And you can be damn sure once the ad-free plans are gone those ad based plans will end up priced at the rate for the old ad-free options. It’s corporate gaslighting and it’s happening right now.
Then stop paying for the service if you're not happy with it. Vote with your wallet.
Like, corporations need to make money... People understand that, right? They going to try to do things to make money. As a consumer, you decide the point at which the value is no longer there for you.
You're not entitled to streaming services. It's not a human right. I understand that it sucks to be priced out of a service you like.
Then don’t be part of society is the root of that argument.
Don’t want to be tracked? Don’t use a phone. Or a car.
Don’t want to support exploitative publishers? Don’t read.
Can’t afford rent?
Can’t find a job?
It’s all just blaming people for corporate bullshit.
I would not equate any of those things with streaming entertainment, but okay.
For the record, I'm not blaming people. I don't even know how you could read that from my message. Of course it's the corp's fault for raising prices. But as a consumer, you do get to decide when the value is no longer there. No one is forcing you to pay for Netflix.
I think people are reading the part where you said “corporations need to make money” and are jumping to the conclusion that you’re defending the corporations.
I quit Netflix last summer, and turns out I don’t miss it at all. There are … other free sites of questionable legality for streaming, DVDs at the library, or even just like … feeding the geese at the park instead.
These corporations can sell all they want, but we can choose not to buy. Correct me if I’m wrong, but that’s what I think you’re saying.
People love to jump to conclusions on the internet. I state a fact of the reality we live in and apparently I'm a bootlicker. Til we have a radical economic revolution, yeah corp needs to make money.
And yes, I said vote with your wallet. If you don't like what corp's selling, don't buy it. Buy something cheaper, buy their competitor. Or nothing.
Or yo-ho-ho :P
The point everyone is making is that this, along with everything else we have the “choice” to consume, is all a greater trend. I’m sure you’ve heard the word “enshittification,” well it was the word of the year and it’s on everyone’s lips for a reason.
Things are getting worse but the price keeps going up. This has long been a trend, called many names, from “shrinkflation” to “enshittification” to “planned obsolescence.” For decades this has been happening. Products aren’t built to last, companies aren’t competing for quality and customer satisfaction. The price goes up across the board, but everyone is making cheaper products. We’re just being squeezed harder because people have less money to spend. And people are tired of this process. We are the only ones paying. There is an imbalance in the way capitalism is running—and those anti capitalists among us will point out this has always been inevitable…but that’s another story. Operating under the assumption that capitalism is the system we are clinging to:
The tipping point for all of this is that corporate profits have been at record highs. Stock buybacks and rising CEO pay and out of control inequality. It’s all part of the same problem: we aren’t the “consumers” as such in this late stage capitalist world. We are being squeezed harder and harder across the board, our paychecks dwindle in buying power…the answer to this isn’t “well, stop paying for Netflix.”
People are pissed because this is one small kernel of the larger problem. We are products and we are the sacrificial lambs for the almighty stock price. We aren’t catered to as an integral part of the capitalist system. We are pushed further and further down to make space for record profits.
They take away account sharing, then they raise the price, then they lay off workers, then they force ads in our face…and then report how well they’re doing. It’s not just about Netflix, it’s not just about ads. It’s about everything. Our very apparent place in this system. We are an integral part of their capitalist system. But we’re treated like fodder. It kind of should piss you off.
👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏✊ Thank you for taking the time to write all that.
Thanks for providing the least nuanced take I’ve heard today
It’s always the same exact same lazy argument with corporate bootlickers.
“DoNt BuY iT!!!1!”
“CorPoRaTiOnS NeEd To MaKe MoNeY!!”
“YoU ArEnT EntTitLeD tO AnYThIng!!!”
“X,Y,Z IsNt A HuMaN RiGhT”
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
I think you may be the only person in my life that's described me as a corporate bootlicker.
Apparently telling a consumer to vote with their wallet is somehow pro corporate?
Its cause you’re parroting bootlicker shit right now.
Yes, it is. Because it ignores the reality of living in society. A kid that grows up without access to pop culture shows etc is bullied and harassed because they’re different and don’t fit in.
It ignores the reality that viable alternatives to ad supported content are becoming harder to find, creating a situation where people have to choose between a social disconnect and supporting a funding mechanism that they don’t agree with.
If “voting with your wallet” is the only option, then nothing changes in the consumers favour, because that’s the reality of capitalism.
Piracy is voting with your wallet.
They make plenty of money. They’re not exactly poor.
They’re trying to squeeze every penny they can out of people.
Yes, they are. I pretty much said that. Stop paying for it and send them a message that the value is not good anymore.
Good concept in theory but consolidation of streaming services to a handful of providers in an $88 billion dollar industry means the reality for most is that you can culturally isolate yourself by not consuming or seek illegal means of getting your entertainment.
Voting with your dollars works for mom and pop shops, but a loss in viewership due to changes in fees was calculated and note in the ledger.
With that attitude it is, you’ve lost before you begun off you don’t try.
Considering your attitude is “won’t someone think of the poor corporations” I don’t think you can really judge
What the fuck are you talking about?
My whole attitude was if you give up before you start your boycott, You will fail, yes, it may take a while, but if you get enough people They will fail
The point is not to say all is lost so fuck it, but to highlight that maybe there are systemic issues with an unregulated free markets. Networks have consolidated into a handful of streaming services to a point where there are really no other options for consumers.
What are you going to do? Read a book? Go back to DVDs? They can afford the relatively few people willing to take an all or nothing proposition to squeeze consumers for all they got. They are also really good at lobbying to keep the law on their side to keep it that way.
So what solution would you like?
How do you clean your tongue when you finally get it off billionaire boot. Do you need a special cleaning product or like does a regular tongue scraper do the trick? <img alt="" src="https://infosec.pub/pictrs/image/61af0323-4544-4cdc-be96-9f58af348290.jpeg">
Lol I'm anything but a billionaire sympathizer. Billionaires shouldn't exist.
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Dude, your answer to excesses of capitalism is “let the market solve it”. The only person you’re fooling is yourself and that only because it is the lowest bar possible
What am I fooling myself about, exactly?
That the market actually responds to consumer desires.
Unfortunately with the excessively oversized conglomerates that do vertical integration in an ever increasing number of industries, there is only the illusion of choice left for consumers. Not using any type of media (books, movies, etc.) is not actually a solution or a choice. So consumers are left with no choice but what is offered, and the offering is not dictated by their desires but by the companies who will screw you over to increase already obscene profits. The “vote with your wallet” argument you use leaves you with “pile of crap A” and “pile of crap B” to choose from, with no alternatives. Your solution is social disconnect from everything and everyone, that is not actually a solution or a real viable choice.
My guy, I'm talking about not paying for Netflix. Social disconnect? You're so dramatic. I haven't had Netflix in years.
You’re cutting one…but now they’re all doing the shit that made you quit Netflix, and you have no (legal) way of getting access to pop culture without endorsing the shitty behaviour that doesn’t listen to consumer desires. That is why “voting with your wallet” doesn’t work, because there is no alternative to vote for with your wallet. So unless you keep endorsing the shitty corporate behaviour, you’re pulling the plug on basically everything, and that is definitely a disconnection from many social interactions since you’ll have no clue what they’re talking about.
You don't have to watch the latest, hippest new show of streaming services so participate in society. I can't believe I'm even having this conversation, truthfully I'm baffled that I need to repudiate this.
But despite my sanity, I will engage with it... You know people still have dvd players, right? And libraries still exist? To be clear, I'm just trying to rebuke the absurd claim that you have "no way of getting access to poop culture" without streaming services.
How do you think people and libraries obtain their material? They dont get it for free, they buy it. So that still puts money in the hands of companies you’re trying not to give money. Every time you borrow something from the library, they pay a little to the copyright owner of that material. So you’re still supporting anti-consumer companies with your wallet by doing it like that. Like I said, voting with your wallet only works when there are alternatives, and we pretty much have none left.
We’re a day deep in you not understanding that proposing a market mechanism (consumer choice) as a solution to a problem created by markets is risible. I could try and explain it you again but I can’t understand it for you, so let’s call it a day. i’m happy for you to be the only person in the room not getting it.
What solution do you propose?
Ok, tell you what. i’ll engage with you as a good faith participant if you can meet the minimum bar. everyone else here knows what’s wrong with your suggestion. if you can persuasively explain that you also understand it (without reusing my words) i’ll happily believe you’re not an idiot and a waste of time and we can dig into what else might be an appropriate response
That doesn't seem like good faith at all.
As a reminder, this exchange between you and I begun because you called me a billionaire bootlicker. When I replied that I didn't think billionaires should exist, you said I was fooling myself. Instead taking me at face value when I told you my belief, you insinuated I don't know how I feel about my own beliefs.
You've been nothing but antagonistic when I'm pretty sure you'd find we would agree on probably a lot of things. We apparently disagree on the matter of if someone doesn't like the rising prices of Netflix, they should stop paying for it, though.
That is a lot of words to say “no i can’t explain what’s wrong with my argument” but at least you’ve saved me a bunch of time champ
They shouldn’t exist? But you’re ok with the systems that actively reward and sustain the behaviour that creates them?
No? When did I say that?
I’m with you right up until the end.
Then I start downloading everything again. 🏴☠️
Another way to look at this, is that we were all shoved in to a society with a financial system that basically requires the expenditure of money to get along. If I’m not entitled to the media, why are they entitled to my money? At the end of the day, none of us asked to be here. Since the dawn of time, people have been taking what they’ve wanted and what they’ve needed–be thankful we’re in a phase of society that were taking pirated media and complaining about pricing, instead of taking eachothers lives for survival (which isn’t even universally true yet lol). I would also argue, but not with any conviction, that we need to consume at least -some- of this media to be able to participate maximally in society. Everyone loves movies and media, and if you’re the one person not consuming it, you’re an outcast. Outcasts proverbially die alone away from the warmth of the communal fire. It’s just human nature, tbh
They're not entitled to your money.
Yeah. The risk of piracy is just the cost of doing business, imo. If you want less piracy, all they have to do is improve price and ease of access. But they’ve already run the numbers and determined that the current price point is where they will see maximum profit. It’s like they’ve approved the “theft” themselves haha
They probably wouldn’t need to pull stunts like this if people just accepted that the price will slowly increase over time. However they don’t. People hate when someone increases prices. The issue here however is that 10 euros 5 years ago buys you more than 10 euros today and that’s how it will always be. If a company like Netflix just sticks to the 10 euros a month price for decades then the only way to maintain the same amount of revenue is to gain more customers each year. However if the number of customers stays the same aswell as the prices then they’re effectively making less profit each year.
So back in the day we did this thing called boycotting and it worked pretty well. If people didn’t care they just kept their mouth shut and their lives improved anyway
Paid services with ads are unconscionable and should not be supported, but I do watch Tubi or Pluto sometimes, and it’s not nearly as bad as the amount of ads I see on my parents’ screen with cable
Agreed, in my experience Tubi and Pluto both have very reasonable length, good quality ads. I declined to re-up on YouTube TV for NCAA football season this year specifically because I can stand their ads. At that price tier, they honestly expect me to sit through My Pillow ads??
The ads are so much less anxiety inducing as well. At least, on Pluto they are
So are commercial randomly placed, or are the shows paced to have commercial breaks like the old tv days?
Content providers can probably include chapter markers in their content. I also suspect it’s not hard to detect a scene transition. Failing these, randomly placed.
This was my problem with hulu back in the day. Short episodes like Futurama would have a commercial shoved in at like 3 minutes and then again at 10 or whatever, it was obnoxious and shittily implemented.
The thing I always noticed when a service places their own ads, is even when there are “ad breaks” on the timeline, the ads don’t always show up there. Or the screen blacks out for a few seconds, then the show plays, THEN the ad would play.
Granted, this was a while ago when I actually put up with that bullshit, so maybe it’s changed by now. But it was done very, very sloppily and is almost certainly a creator’s worst nightmare for the story.
Even if the creators weren’t pissed, the entire selling point of streaming was on demand, ad free, and a large library to choose from. Every single streaming service that subdivided Netflix and Hulu’s content shares have reneged on that entire concept by creating smaller libraries, making them unaffordable, and now they’re shoehorning in ads if we won’t cough up more money.
It’s almost like a moral imperative to pirate from these fuckers.
If you trust any corporate media concern to not succumb to enshittification, then you deserve to watch your stupid commercials. You paid for the privilege because you enabled the abuser.
I prefer to get what I pay for and I pay for nothing, media-wise. If I watch ads, it’s because I’m watching something like the Super Bowl with my OTA DVR that’s playing on network TV. It’s free, so OK - commercials. If I’m watching anything else, it’s on my Plex server and there are no commercials.
I do pay for entertainment. I pay for experiences, like going to the movies, going to live rock shows, going to performances or exhibitions - all IRL - but that’s about it. I might consider paying for other entertainment options but there is one thing I won’t ever do: I won’t pay for media that I don’t own and I won’t watch commercials for media I paid for.
Edit: look at all the butthurt. Go ahead and keep paying through the nose then if you like it so much. I’m sure all the millionaires and billionaires who profit off your largesse will continue to treat you with the same kindness as they have in the past.
“People deserve to be exploited because they dared to use a convenient, affordable service.”
Seriously, what a bad take. It’s not like I gave them all my passwords and Power of Attorney! It’s fine your budgeting decisions work for you, but you shouldn’t cheer on companies providing a bad experience to customers that “trusted” them…
You understand that someone has to pay for that entertainment shit you use to kill your time with? You are literally shitting on people who are paying for you.
The entire selling point of cable was no signal loss and ad free… Then the point of satellite was more options and ad free. Those sneaky ads keep finding their way in.
Ads is basically free money for broadcasters. And since greed is the main motivation - the dissension seems to be rather easy for them.
But it’s not greed! It’s increasing share holder value! /s
Damn right! It’s somebody else’s greed! Totally different.
How is it even attributed to singular ads for example ? Isn’t that kinda impossible ?^^
Don’t forget that on-demand is being reduced as well now that many platforms are trickling out episodes for their marquee shows at a weekly rate. Looking at you Apple.
There is a simple solution for that. Rotate your services every 3 months, watch the entire season and only come back when there’s something to watch.
Quality over quantity is something streaming services can’t do. There’s so much shit shoved in our faces that I find myself watching less and less. Is a crash on the horizon or can the market sustain the number of active participants?
It’s a real shame because piracy is bridging the service gap which the industry themselves managed to eliminate, albeit briefly, only to introduce it again.
I much prefer the trickle of releases to a lump season dump.
It allows time to digest, discuss and catch up throughout the release schedule if you’re invested in the story. You can convince your friends to watch a few episodes to catch up and then watch the end of the season together. You can read fan theories online, formulate your own, and overall each weekly episode can result in a lot of engaging fun interactions.
With a series dump you have to binge it and wait for others to do the same in order to talk about it. The whole time you’re actively avoiding spoilers from friends/coworkers and avoiding reading about it online. The end result is you disengage from the fandoms/communities while you are getting through the show, which to me takes a lot of the fun out of a big show.
I compare the difference between Stranger Things and GoT. To me these are probably two of the most significant pop-culture releases in the last decade or so.
Game of Thrones resulted in hundreds of thousands of theories every week online and in public. T-Shirts were made based on popular online theories that never panned out in season. You would rag on friends who guessed the plot twist wrong and deify those who got their predictions spot on. Especially in my demographic the two months GoT was on was all about GoT.
Stranger Things on the other hand, while still wildly popular hits differently. It’s much more of a build up to release, a week or two of “man that was awesome” followed by “I hope they make the next season soon.” Retroactive discussions happen for a while, but the discussions and the hype fizzles much more quickly.
If I want to watch a trickle release show in one dump, I still can, I just wait until the whole season out, reactivate the subscription. Then I binge it.
For me it’s much more fun to have an episode or two a week and build momentum through a season than it is to set off a one time firework.
I let all my streaming subscriptions die off when my debit card expired this year and I haven’t looked back. Gaming is cheaper and more entertaining. All the new movies I would want to watch never make it to streaming services anyway (without an additional rental fee)
That’s all fine and good but I want to point out so everyone can watch out for this - sometimes if you have a subscription and your card expires or gets lost/stolen and replaced, companies can somehow get your new card info without you giving it to them and keep your shit active. So you can’t assume that a new card will take care of old subscriptions that you totally forgot about. You have to check your statements.
That’s some bullshit. I hate that they can do that. They spin it as a convenience but I’d rather update all my accounts with the new card manually.
I had to deal with rhis with Doordash. Someone was making purchases on there with a card. I called an cancelled the card and get a replacement. Charges start coming in on the new card. Cancel and replace again. Charges still keep coming. I finally had to yalk to Doordash for hours to get them to remove the original card.
What an absolute anti-feature.
I think you might be able to call your bank and ask them to turn off this “service”
That sounds an awful lot like credit card fraud to me!
Yeah if you buy good games they have a much better cost to entertainment ratios than having a bunch of streaming services do. It’s the games I end up not liking that ruin it.
Just wait until games start injecting ads…
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I had subscriptions to 4 different streaming sites. They pull bullshit and I cancelled. I now watch everything on one site with better quality streams and no commercials for the cost of a nice vpn. I didn’t drop them because I can’t afford it, I dropped them because their service sucked and I’m not going to deal with or support that BULLSHIT.
What site is this?
I love torrents but my uncle is always talking about Flixtor
What site? DM if you’d rather not comment. I ain’t no snitch
If also like to know what site this is so i can avoid it. I DMed you.
Okay, I need to say it: having an ad for your own programming is still an ad.
Paramount. I’m looking at you, Paramount. I don’t want to watch your shitty movie/TV show/whatever about the shitty mom from the His Dark Materials series losing another kid. Stop playing the same goddamn ad for it before every episode of Star Trek: The Next Generation. Especially since you feel the need to double whatever goddamn volume I have set in the opening to the ad. I pay for the subscription, I already bought your product. Fuck off with your shitty ad.
I mean, others do it too and it pisses me off, but I’m on Season 2 of TNG and I may just have to get it some other way and canceling Paramount because that ad has started really getting to me.
Paramount definitely seems to be the worst about this … their app in general is really frustrating.
Max does it occasionally but it’s rare enough I don’t notice.
When a company gets that hostile in their design to their paying customers is when I start advocating for flying a Jolly Roger.
Honestly, a preview for another show on the same service doesn’t bother me AS LONG AS it is skippable. I’ve never used paramount so I’m not sure if that’s the case.
If I’m being honest when I was a kid part of the fun of going to the movies was the previews before, finding out about upcoming movies and what not.
I do agree that you shouldn’t see the same preview every episode cause that’s super annoying. But I’d be totally fine with one per session or something. Again, as long as it’s skippable right from the start.
It’s not skippable as far as I can tell. It also frequently advertises shows I’ve already watched. Sometimes it advertises the show I’m trying to watch.
I’m pretty sure it also has the “ad counter” showing on the screen during this as well.
Here’s what they call it in their docs:
It’s not an ad, it’s a “preview.” /s
If you exit out and then start the show again, it skips the pre-roll. It’s annoying, but slightly faster than waiting and watching the 30 second pre-roll.
They advertise as extra $ for ad free, but then they put ads in it. That’s dishonest.
What I have to do whenever I watch a show is start the show, get the pre-roll, exit out, then start the show again. It’s annoying and a stupid hoop to jump through just to not have to watch the same pre-roll over and over.
Prime has been doing this for ages
And it has been nothing but annoying since they started.
Yep, including the removal of “bought” content.
Still annoying, but hit back and restart the episode. So far that’s caused it to start without the ad for me.
Thanks, I’ll try that!
That is the problem. Why should i be doing that? Aren’t I paying them for my convenience? At this rate pirating sites make me do lesser hassle than the legit sites.
Oh I know. Having issues with my plex server, so I’m currently subscribed to Disney/Hulu, Netflix, paramount & max. Paramount is straight trash, so many issues. Max won’t save my play history half of the time, one show it won’t even put in the continue watching section so I have to search for it every time. Shouldn’t have to deal with all this crap when you’re paying for it.
Yes! I pay for an ad free experience on YouTube but support tells me that ads for their own products don’t count. Fuckers.
Hoist the colors
Hoist up the thing! Batten down the whatsit!
What’s that thing spinning? Somebody should stop it!
Turn hard to port! (That’s not port) Now I’ve got it!
Trust me, I’m in control!
TV economics are hard. I think where basic cable and network TV make it work is that the content was filmed in a way to have natural ad breaks to make it less disruptive to the viewing experience. That becomes terrible when you shoehorn ads into places they don’t belong. On the other hand, watching that content without ad breaks that was filmed with ad breaks also plays out weird because you’ll have that commercial cliffhaner music/scene that is quickly followed with resolution before you have time to wonder “what is going to happen?” So shit gets weird when you have a tier model where some people get ad breaks and others don’t because your content isn’t made to satisfy both use cases.
TV is expensive to make and these are businesses that make money. A simple reductive “if user pays any money they deserve no ads” problem. It’s a challenge of things like “The business needs to make X dollars per user and if we have ads we need to charge Y bucks where Y = X - expected ad revenue.” The other challenge is in order to have an ad business you need to convince advertisers you have ad viewers they want to reach. Well, advertisers like rich people with lots of money, and they probably don’t have the cheaper ad supported tiers. So can a TV company really support a completely ad free tier? Or do they still need to serve some, but less ads, to make sure their advertisers know they can get their ads seen by the platforms richest users?
It’s an industry that’s earning literal billions every single year…they absolutely don’t need to have ads, they could serve their paying users a good ad-free product, and still make money. They choose to deliberately annoy their paying customers because they’re fucking greedy.
Capitalism. Must not only make profits, and must not only make the same profits as last time, but must make MORE profits. They must always increase or else you’re declining according to capitalism. The greed is built in to the system.
Fuck the system.
Fake news. Netflix is the only one making a profit. cnbc.com/…/hollywood-streaming-profits-struggles.…
I don’t know why lemmy users love spreading misinformation that all streaming platforms are taking in profit hand over fist.
I’m not talkong about streaming services in an isolated case, I’m talking about the entire company behind it. It only makes sense to evaluate them as a whole and not their subcategories in isolation from the rest of their company.
Paramount, Disney and HBO are profiting in the billions.
You were talking about the streaming platform specifically as an industry.
It’s okay to be corrected.
I mean, it’s pretty simple for me in that I won’t pay for a streaming service that has ads. Others might, but I don’t care what others pay for. I left cable for this reason and I’ll leave its next incarnation if that is to be.
It is worse than broadcast.
If you learn anything about screenwriting, there are certain patterns and structures you follow (like acts in a play) to accommodate commercials, like to build suspense and keep the viewer interested and not changing the channel.
Streaming never had this, if you look at shows written for these platforms. The writers either ignored or didn’t even know about these conventions.
Now adding commercials later, it is even more annoying to the viewer as the original material was not meant to accommodate them.
Streaming just keeps fucking up. I already canceled my netflix. I’m on basic cable for network tv and I just pirate everything else.
Wait… They add advertising in the middle of shows? I thought it would be at the beginning, between episodes, on the UI, etc.
Nope, it’s classic ad breaks, but since the shows weren’t made expecting them the ads just appear suddenly every X minutes instead.
By streamers ignoring all the decades of broadcasting experience, and all established what’s fair air-time for both content and commercial. That’s the frustration… they’re rewriting standards… “my company, my content, my timings, my bottom-line”. And doing it poorly. And at top speed.
Why are you on basic cable for network tv? It’s broadcast over the air in HD for free.
Some people live in areas with poor service even with beefy antennas.
Get an hdhomerun or equivalent for local TV at home in a streaming format. It even integrates into Plex for DVR.
A cheaper solution (if you’re already running a server) would be TVheadend and a cheap USB-dongle for DVB-T, DVB-C or DVB-S.
And with streaming, you’re not locked into a 42-47 minute long episode either, so are some episodes going to have more, or is there someone with a stop watch going “this seems like a good place for an ad break”?
Stop supporting greedy bastards that are trying to push hard psychological manipulation down you throat, only for you to buy so shit no-one needs.
It’s so weird that everybody knows how bad propaganda is and yet we let corporations do it to us hundreds of times per day every single day.
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Got Disney plus subscription for free through some other stuff I need to have, but it’s the ad supported standard plan, you pay and still get loads of ads. Even with the subscription I just download stuff for my Jellyfin.
I’m using this streaming service called Sonarr+plex. No ads so far.
Kinda, Plex still changes my homepage with their ads once in a while
One of many reasons to use Jellyfin instead of Plex.
Is there a media server that allows accounts to have groups of profiles?
Even emby, or jellyfin don’t support this. Really wish they did. Then I can give each household a single account for their device and have a netflix like experience
edit: what I’m looking for is user groups, or nested users. So AccountA contains UserA1, UserA2 etc and AccountB contains UserB1, UserB2, and so on
I’m not really sure what you mean by “groups” of profiles, but you can definitely set up multiple different users on Jellyfin
With different permissions
yes. My kids have an account that can only see kids stuff (and they are not admins either of course). I have admin rights. My wife can see everything but no admin rights. If you mean “I need a KIDS group where I can put all my kids’ accounts so they inherit the same permissions” then no.
You can set up different user accounts and grant them different levels of access and functionality (i.e. disallow CPU-hogging transcodes). Users can also be restricted by MAC and hidden from the login screen unless you know the exact login name.
I have Jellyfin on my NAS and the “TV” user with which the living room TV is logged in only has permission to see certain folders of my movie library.
I wonder if what they’re asking for is some sort of RBAC? All members of house A can all access content A and cannot access content B. But each individual retains distinct viewing history.
I want them to have one account to log in with, and there are 4 profiles within that account. No need for every person on the server to have their profile on one huge page like plex
I would pay for someone to have a server that tracked who watched something. Not just assume the “account owner” watched it but the other people sitting next to them too.
Apparently the creators of these apps are all loners.
Jellyfin allows you to hide any profile from the login screen. If you hide them all, every user would have to manually login (username+password). That’s not quite the Netflix-like experience where you click your profile, but it would at least hide all the users from other households (but also your own).
Yeah I understand that, I’ve done a lot of research into it and not got any solution
Most people aren’t willing to type out a username and password just to use their profile. I want the login to be one time, and just their profiles to show up. And every household has their own set of profiles
Right now, I just have added one person from each household and they all share that same profile. I’ve added them to my Plex home so they get skip intro and whatever other Plex pass benefit. The issue with this, is that everyone shares a single profile per household (apart from my family) and we’re all lumped together in one screen
Given that I have a lifetime Plex pass, what are the advantages that jellyfin would give me?
I got the Plex pass years ago when they were on sale, and it’s nice that Plex has apps for mobile devices and smart TVs.
Well certainly no ads on the homepage like the comment I was directly replying to.
And it’s a heave-ho-hi-ho, comin’ down the Bay
Stealin’ films and movies and all the other games
And it’s a ho-hey-hi-hey, corpos bar your doors
When you see the Jolly Roger on Francisco’s mighty shores!
Well, you’d think the local corpos would know that I’m at large
But just the other day I found an unprotected RAR
I snuck up right behind them and they were none the wiser
I copied their film and shared it, and screwed the advertisers
Beautiful take on the Arrogant Worms classic! <3
Thanks! It’s one of my favourite songs, though I usually prefer the Captain Tractor version, heh
As I ironically, read the article, ads kept appearing over text.
Just here to remind everyone while piracy is important, it’s also very important to teach the less tech savy among your acquaintances how to pirate too. Conglomerates only learn when their bottom line is effected after all, so teach all your friends how to hoist that black flag.
IF you go down that route, there needs to be a warning: Do it properly, use a VPN if you are torrenting, get a usenet account if you want fast speeds that encrypts the connection and so on - basically, teach it correct. Because some countries or rather law agencies WILL hunt you down if they even get some hint of your actual IP-Address…
Or they send a DMCA to your ISP, and then your ISP gives you 3 warnings and a boot. VPN is the way.
Yeah. I’ve only really got one ISP option at my house that isn’t DSL.
Used DVDs at pawn shops and thrift stores ftw.
This. Just yesterday I bought a batch of films, DVD’s 1$ and Blu-Rays 1,5$ a piece. And they were mostly new films.
DVD’s are perfectly fine for TV and Blu-Rays for my projector.
I never jumped to the streaming bandwagon and my disc collection has grown exponentially in the last few years, since most people gave up on discs. Their loss.
Curious about your movie-buying habits… How do you determine what you buy? Movies that look interesting? That you’ve seen before? A little bit of both?
I collect movies that I know to be good. I’ve been a true film freak for over 35 years and I’ve learned how to find “my thing” from the vast market with the help from my friends, reviews and forums. Or when I see a truly good one at a theatre, it goes to my buy list and it might take years for it to come my way.
I have never bought a movie just because of the covers, this has actually never even occurred to me. I did rent films this way back in the day, but I only buy stuff I know.
Nowadays I rarely find anything I haven’t already seen before, but just few weeks ago I came by a modern classic that I was unable to see in a proper theatre. I save these specialties to watch with a projector and a good sound system, hopefully in a few weeks I’ll find the time…
I considering piracy after Netflix came out. Does it have ads yet.
Edit: wow, that’s not what I meant to type. I haven’t considered piracy since Netflix became a thing. And so far, I haven’t seen any ads on that service. Still finding plenty to watch on that in my spare time as well. Currently enjoying Fall of the House of Usher, the live action One-Piece, and a Supertroopers like show called Tacoma FD.
That’s a long time to consider
No doubt :). Please see updated message.
Any tips to get started?
I think Debrid services are the easiest and safest to get started. They download files for you from various services (share hosters and torrents), and then let you download them from their servers. That means only they know your IP (but don’t log it, like a VPN), and they also download with full speed from sites that require a premium account, for a fraction of the cost. With RDT-Client you can also use some of them with Arr apps, once you get to automating the process.
Another thing would be Usenet. It’s surprisingly easy to set up and get started, just find a provider, some indexers, and a download client. It has a ton of good content, and it doesn’t depend on seeders for file availability and high download speeds.
With those two you can download anonymously and at high speeds from all the popular sources (most share hosters, torrents, Usenet), and you don’t run the risk of leaking your IP because you haven’t set things up correctly.
I haven’t used streaming services in a couple of years. Now I’m just doing all piracy and watching it through my Jellyfin server
It just requires so much more foresight in planning what you’re going to watch.
Not with enough server space.
I can request a show, do a load of laundry and have it available. I’ve decent enough Internet where a movie can be available in as little as 5 minutes if it finds a nice little hevc webrip. I get that it’s not instant but a proper setup can have you rocking and rolling in under an hour.
Jellyfin Jellyseerr Radarr Sonarr Jackett Transmission
Rock and roller cola wars, I can’t take it anymore!
I’ve migrated to prowlarr from jackett. It’s far faster in searches.
I’ll do the same
It’s a fair criticism but I find the drawbacks to be quite tolerable compared to the benefits. Each person must do their own calculus. As the user above alluded to, there are apps which make the experience almost seamless. My two favourite apps ever are Radarr and Sonarr.
Streaming services aren’t much better, they regularly didn’t have what I wanted to watch and I’m not subscribing to more than one. Now I’m subscribing to none and watch what I want instead of what Netflix has available.
Well I just download more or less everything that comes out lol. It’s like having my own streaming service with thousands if movies and shows available.
I just recently stopped as well… Have to still cancel prime though
I’m amazed that they have any customers paying to listen to ads. I wont stand for it and I find it surprising others would.
The alternative is either:
I agree it’s unacceptable for me, but I also get why so many people just put up with it.
Do these services not offer a more expensive ad-free plan?
I’m sure they do, but I issue is they already were / should have been making a profit on the existing, bottom tier ad free plan. Now it’s just price gouging by adding ads to existing tier instead of adding new cheaper tier with ads.
In one year Amazon made it impossible to listen to albums on Prime Music, and shoved ads into everything on Prime Video.
Easy cancel for me. I can go without your next day shipping.
Better still I can buy from someone else.
Qobuz
Because they HAVE to increase their share values year after year; just making billions isn’t good enough, they have to make more billions compared to the last year.
It’s truly pure greed, as streaming was amazing when it first started, and Netflix was making a killing even back then. But now, nope, fuck you all, we want more and more until we can’t squeeze anything more out from you.
It’s why I’ve increased my kodi/real debrid usage over the past few years
I’ve tried to argue a company that made $800k profit this year even tho they made $900k last year is still a profitable business and people unironically argue that company is dying and bad…
Big number = good Smaller number = bad
It works for them when dealing with shareholders
Went to check out the “Mr and Mrs Smith” series on Prime (with Donald Glover), and was notified that there would be ads now unless I upgraded. I almost never watch anything on Prime, but figured “why not, I already have it”… and then immediately closed it when I saw that message. Switched back over to Stremio, cause why the fuck would I watch ads when I already pay for the service? Gotta convince the wife to cancel Prime, but it’s next on the chopping block. Only ones left will be youtube music (family still uses it) and Debrid (which will stay for as long as it’s good). Netflix, Hulu, Disney, ESPN, HBO… all of them gone
This is why I'm sailing the high seas again.
Because the underlying conditions are the same as last time.