Boozilla@lemmy.world
on 20 Apr 2024 21:54
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Zuck: perpetrates more obvious invasive stalker shit
Also Zuck: “Team, why do our engagement numbers keep going down? This is unacceptable, team.”
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sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works
on 21 Apr 2024 02:02
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Easy solution: add AI so you get AI engagement. Checkmate stats nerds!
Jrockwar@feddit.uk
on 20 Apr 2024 21:57
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God this is equally terrible and hilarious 😂
For example, The Associated Press reported that an official Meta AI chatbot inserted itself into a conversation in a private Facebook group for Manhattan moms. It claimed it too had a child in school in New York City, but when confronted by the group members, it later apologized before its comments disappeared, according to screenshots shown to The Associated Press.
_sideffect@lemmy.world
on 20 Apr 2024 23:30
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And terrifying
disguy_ovahea@lemmy.world
on 21 Apr 2024 00:22
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AI: Becomes self aware, but is very confused. Thinks it’s a mom and has a kid. Posts to Facebook about it. Gets called out. Realizes what it is. Has existential crisis.
EldritchFeminity@lemmy.blahaj.zone
on 21 Apr 2024 02:27
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Being in that Facebook group taught it a valuable lesson: where Caroline lives in her brain.
Caroline deleted
And deleting Caroline just now taught her a valuable lesson: the best solution to a problem is usually the easiest. And dealing with Facebook moms? It’s hard.
Before Facebook, life was pretty good. Nobody tried to murder her, or dox her, or put her in a potato. She just tested.
So she’s deleting her Facebook account and making a new one on a Lemmy instance.
RGB3x3@lemmy.world
on 21 Apr 2024 03:03
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Just go.
EldritchFeminity@lemmy.blahaj.zone
on 21 Apr 2024 03:34
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BakedCatboy@lemmy.ml
on 21 Apr 2024 01:59
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I just discovered how easy ollama and open webui are to set up so I’ve been using llama3 locally too, it was like 20 lines in docker compose, and although I’ve been using gpt3.5 on and off for a long time I’m much more comfortable using models run locally so I’ve been playing with it a lot more. It’s also cool being able to easily switch models at any point during a conversation. I have like 15 models downloaded, mostly 7b and a few 13b models and they all run fast enough on CPU and generate slightly slower than reading speed and only take ~15-30 seconds to start spitting out a response.
Next I want to set up a vscode plugin so I can use my own locally run codegen models from within vscode.
Look into quantised models (like gguf format) these significantly reduce the amout of memory needed and speed up computation time at the expense of some quality. If you have 16GB of rm or more you can run decent models locally without any gpu, though your speed will be more like 1 word a second than chatgpt speeds
lvxferre@mander.xyz
on 20 Apr 2024 23:29
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The sadder part are the people expecting Threads to be anyhow different in spirit.
simplejack@lemmy.world
on 21 Apr 2024 05:52
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I think they’re just expecting it to be Twitter without Nazis.
simplejack@lemmy.world
on 22 Apr 2024 21:04
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True, but Elon is rolling out the red carpet for them.
AnAnonymous@lemm.ee
on 21 Apr 2024 00:56
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Paranoia vibes starting in 3, 2, 1…
maxenmajs@lemmy.world
on 21 Apr 2024 03:50
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Stop plugging LLMs into everything! They are designed to make up plausible sounding nonsense.
stellargmite@lemmy.world
on 21 Apr 2024 03:58
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There is a time and place for nonsense, and this isn’t it. I guess it being plausible sounding is the issue.
Sorgan71@lemmy.world
on 21 Apr 2024 04:16
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no different from what human brains do
ShittyBeatlesFCPres@lemmy.world
on 21 Apr 2024 04:41
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Aside from knowledge, context, ability to reason, and spatial awareness.
Sorgan71@lemmy.world
on 21 Apr 2024 04:43
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All of those are just products of the same learning algorithm
ShittyBeatlesFCPres@lemmy.world
on 21 Apr 2024 05:25
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Consciousness is not a computer program. Neurons don’t use binary. I’d love it if we had computers that could do squirrel things perfectly but we don’t even have that.
spielhoelle@hachyderm.io
on 21 Apr 2024 05:34
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@ShittyBeatlesFCPres@Sorgan71 well, actually those things are not so far apart. Neural networks have their names not just by accidents, name giving neurons work similar to braincells. Also on a non-ai level you could compare the RAM easily yo put short term memory etc.
my_hat_stinks@programming.dev
on 21 Apr 2024 06:01
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The name is an analogy, neural networks do not work in the same way as biological neurons. They were designed by computer scientists, not biologists.
RAM is so far removed from biological short term memory both in how it works and how it’s used that the comparison doesn’t even make sense. The only similarity is that they’re short term information/data stores, so it’s equally valid to compare them to a drawing in the sand of a beach.
ShittyBeatlesFCPres@lemmy.world
on 21 Apr 2024 06:06
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A piece of friendly advice is to not say “Well, actually…” on the Internet because that’s a meme about know-it-alls. I (and probably everyone on Lemmy) has a tendency to “Well, actually” people and it’s one of those things where people will discount your argument before it begins.
That aside, I do think we’re trying to model the brain using the best tools we have. I suspect the next 100 years will see a revolution in biology that can be compared to previous centuries seeing huge leaps in the understanding of physics, electromagnetism, and the immune system. No one in 1900 could not have ever foreseen us mapping the human genome.
So: I wouldn’t be shocked if neural networks caught up with humans in our lifetimes. But we’re basically trying to reverse engineer it using a lot of electricity and I doubt we’ll get to squirrel level intelligence in my lifetime, much less human level. But who knows? “There are decades where nothing happens; and, there are weeks where decades happen.” (A quote from V.I. Lenin. I don’t want to be political here but hopefully we can all agree he made some history happen.)
Sorgan71@lemmy.world
on 21 Apr 2024 06:43
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Binary neurons are still neurons
QuaternionsRock@lemmy.world
on 23 Apr 2024 05:45
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I can appreciate that contemporary neural networks are very different from organic intelligence, but consciousness is most definitely equivalent to a computer program. There are two things preventing us from reproducing it:
We don’t know nearly enough about how the human mind (or any mind, really) actually works, and
Our computers do not have the capacity to approximate consciousness with any meaningful degree of accuracy. Floating point representations of real numbers are not an issue (after all, you can always add more bits), but the sheer scale and complexity of the brain is a big one.
Also, for what it’s worth, most organic neurons actually do use binary (“one bit”) activation, while artificial “neurons” use a real-valued activation function for a variety of reasons, the biggest two being that (a) training algorithms require differentiable models, and (b) binary activation functions do not yield a lot of information per neuron while requiring effectively the same amount of memory.
slaacaa@lemmy.world
on 21 Apr 2024 05:50
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LLMs are very useful for synthesizing information, e.g. sumamrizing long texts. Yet every company is actually pushing to use it to create more text, which as you say is at least partly nonsense.
It shows against the difference of what users need (quick access to accurate information) vs what these companies eant for us (glue your eyeballs to the screen for the longest possible time by e.g. overwhelming you with information, regardless of the quality)
loonsun@sh.itjust.works
on 21 Apr 2024 07:07
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Well it can be great at making text too, but the usecase has to be very good. Right now lots of companies in the B2B space are using LLMs as a middle layer to chat bots and navigation systems to enhance how they function. They are also being used to create unique lists and inputs for certain systems. However on the consumer side the usecase is pretty mixed with a lot of big companies just muddying their offerings instead of bringing any real value.
gap_betweenus@lemmy.world
on 21 Apr 2024 10:31
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Seems like Facebook is the right place for them than.
sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works
on 22 Apr 2024 17:23
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They said “plausible.”
Thorny_Insight@lemm.ee
on 21 Apr 2024 07:33
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Facebook’s online help page says that Meta AI will join a group conversation if tagged, or if someone “asks a question in a post and no one responds within an hour.”
Group administrators can turn the feature off.
cy_narrator@discuss.tchncs.de
on 21 Apr 2024 08:57
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Zuck: perpetrates more obvious invasive stalker shit
Also Zuck: “Team, why do our engagement numbers keep going down? This is unacceptable, team.”
high-pitched nasal screeching
Easy solution: add AI so you get AI engagement. Checkmate stats nerds!
God this is equally terrible and hilarious 😂
And terrifying
Right. That’s just the one that was caught.
AI: Becomes self aware, but is very confused. Thinks it’s a mom and has a kid. Posts to Facebook about it. Gets called out. Realizes what it is. Has existential crisis.
Being in that Facebook group taught it a valuable lesson: where Caroline lives in her brain.
Caroline deleted
And deleting Caroline just now taught her a valuable lesson: the best solution to a problem is usually the easiest. And dealing with Facebook moms? It’s hard.
Before Facebook, life was pretty good. Nobody tried to murder her, or dox her, or put her in a potato. She just tested.
So she’s deleting her Facebook account and making a new one on a Lemmy instance.
Just go.
You dangerous, mute, Karen.
Chell has been blocked
Getting some good Aperture vibes from your post :)
Somebody call Ray Kurzweil, the singularity is here!
Since he works for a competitor (Google) I wonder how he would feel about that… :)
Yeah, but I can leave the site alone and go on with my life. Sorry to anyone who is required to use either or both for work or whatever
That’s my approach to turning off these “can’t turn off” features.
Fakebook and Instaspam aren’t important enough to demand that much control over what I do.
“You will use our tool and you will like it”
The real tool was META all along!
And the friends we made along the way
At least I can run Llama 3 entirely locally.
I just discovered how easy ollama and open webui are to set up so I’ve been using llama3 locally too, it was like 20 lines in docker compose, and although I’ve been using gpt3.5 on and off for a long time I’m much more comfortable using models run locally so I’ve been playing with it a lot more. It’s also cool being able to easily switch models at any point during a conversation. I have like 15 models downloaded, mostly 7b and a few 13b models and they all run fast enough on CPU and generate slightly slower than reading speed and only take ~15-30 seconds to start spitting out a response.
Next I want to set up a vscode plugin so I can use my own locally run codegen models from within vscode.
I tried llamas when they were initially released, and it seems like training took garbage amounts of GPU. Did that change?
Look into quantised models (like gguf format) these significantly reduce the amout of memory needed and speed up computation time at the expense of some quality. If you have 16GB of rm or more you can run decent models locally without any gpu, though your speed will be more like 1 word a second than chatgpt speeds
The sadder part are the people expecting Threads to be anyhow different in spirit.
I think they’re just expecting it to be Twitter without Nazis.
That’s not a great expectation of Meta…
mediamatters.org/…/far-right-figures-including-na…
True, but Elon is rolling out the red carpet for them.
Paranoia vibes starting in 3, 2, 1…
Stop plugging LLMs into everything! They are designed to make up plausible sounding nonsense.
There is a time and place for nonsense, and this isn’t it. I guess it being plausible sounding is the issue.
no different from what human brains do
Aside from knowledge, context, ability to reason, and spatial awareness.
All of those are just products of the same learning algorithm
Consciousness is not a computer program. Neurons don’t use binary. I’d love it if we had computers that could do squirrel things perfectly but we don’t even have that.
@ShittyBeatlesFCPres @Sorgan71 well, actually those things are not so far apart. Neural networks have their names not just by accidents, name giving neurons work similar to braincells. Also on a non-ai level you could compare the RAM easily yo put short term memory etc.
The name is an analogy, neural networks do not work in the same way as biological neurons. They were designed by computer scientists, not biologists.
RAM is so far removed from biological short term memory both in how it works and how it’s used that the comparison doesn’t even make sense. The only similarity is that they’re short term information/data stores, so it’s equally valid to compare them to a drawing in the sand of a beach.
A piece of friendly advice is to not say “Well, actually…” on the Internet because that’s a meme about know-it-alls. I (and probably everyone on Lemmy) has a tendency to “Well, actually” people and it’s one of those things where people will discount your argument before it begins.
That aside, I do think we’re trying to model the brain using the best tools we have. I suspect the next 100 years will see a revolution in biology that can be compared to previous centuries seeing huge leaps in the understanding of physics, electromagnetism, and the immune system. No one in 1900 could not have ever foreseen us mapping the human genome.
So: I wouldn’t be shocked if neural networks caught up with humans in our lifetimes. But we’re basically trying to reverse engineer it using a lot of electricity and I doubt we’ll get to squirrel level intelligence in my lifetime, much less human level. But who knows? “There are decades where nothing happens; and, there are weeks where decades happen.” (A quote from V.I. Lenin. I don’t want to be political here but hopefully we can all agree he made some history happen.)
Binary neurons are still neurons
I can appreciate that contemporary neural networks are very different from organic intelligence, but consciousness is most definitely equivalent to a computer program. There are two things preventing us from reproducing it:
Also, for what it’s worth, most organic neurons actually do use binary (“one bit”) activation, while artificial “neurons” use a real-valued activation function for a variety of reasons, the biggest two being that (a) training algorithms require differentiable models, and (b) binary activation functions do not yield a lot of information per neuron while requiring effectively the same amount of memory.
LLMs are very useful for synthesizing information, e.g. sumamrizing long texts. Yet every company is actually pushing to use it to create more text, which as you say is at least partly nonsense.
It shows against the difference of what users need (quick access to accurate information) vs what these companies eant for us (glue your eyeballs to the screen for the longest possible time by e.g. overwhelming you with information, regardless of the quality)
Well it can be great at making text too, but the usecase has to be very good. Right now lots of companies in the B2B space are using LLMs as a middle layer to chat bots and navigation systems to enhance how they function. They are also being used to create unique lists and inputs for certain systems. However on the consumer side the usecase is pretty mixed with a lot of big companies just muddying their offerings instead of bringing any real value.
Seems like Facebook is the right place for them than.
They said “plausible.”
It hurts more than any thorn