NeoNachtwaechter@lemmy.world
on 15 Oct 2024 07:41
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But it was mostly just a show.
Attendee Robert Scoble posted that he’d learned humans were “remote assisting” the robots
Serious question: Wasn’t it obvious?
ladicius@lemmy.world
on 15 Oct 2024 07:48
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There was some hate babbling when that robot taxi company in SanFran published that their autonomous cars were assisted by remote drivers who took over when situations were too complex for the robots.
I think remote support and steering will be the most reliable and practical way those tasks will be handled for the foreseeable future. How much assistance the cars will need may diminish but I don’t think they will ever be able to work without any human assistance.
kameecoding@lemmy.world
on 15 Oct 2024 11:31
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Sure they will, just put then on rails, make them bigger and available to the public, call it Public AI transport or something
Peppycito@sh.itjust.works
on 15 Oct 2024 12:21
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Tele-Reliance Artificial Intelligence Network
kameecoding@lemmy.world
on 15 Oct 2024 14:13
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More like No Remote only Railiance AI Robo Taxi Network
Peppycito@sh.itjust.works
on 15 Oct 2024 14:43
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N.R.O.R.A.I.R.T.N.? I think you missed the joke.
kameecoding@lemmy.world
on 15 Oct 2024 14:58
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I might have.
kameecoding@lemmy.world
on 15 Oct 2024 18:05
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Oh it spells train, i might be overworked, took a while, lol
Sort of. It just depends on how much the person needs to control the vehicle.
The easiest example I can think of: Imagine lorries traveling along a motorway, and they can do that autonomously because it’s “easy”, and when they get into a city a remote operator needs to drive them manually into the depot.
Each operator could easily drive 4 or 5 lorries, if only one of those is entering a city at a time. Instead of needing a driver per truck, you only need drivers for the maximum number of trucks that might be entering cities at the same time. For a fleet of 30, that could be 5 drivers.
For things like mining, where safety regulations mean that you want to avoid having people in the mine as much as possible, even having one driver for every haul truck (so yeah, regular driving with extra steps) could be economically profitable if it means you can reduce some other, potentially expensive safety controls.
this would work mostly in the us where the majority of the time you are in wide highways. aside from that, i see how it can be useful.
helenslunch@feddit.nl
on 15 Oct 2024 15:52
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Some of it was and some of it wasn’t. I think when they initially came out walking, that was probably autonomous. The dancing was autonomous. The only time we saw evidence that they weren’t autonomous was at the end when they were interacting with people at the event.
Problem is, we don’t know. We know some of it was. Tesla did not state that any of it was remote controlled, which means we basically have to assume that all of it was.
rickdg@lemmy.world
on 15 Oct 2024 08:38
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The cars were probably also being nudged just in case.
“Fraud” is any activity that relies on deception in order to achieve a gain. Fraud becomes a crime when it is a “knowing misrepresentation of the truth or concealment of a material fact to induce another to act to his or her detriment” (Black’s Law Dictionary). In other words, if you lie in order to deprive a person or organization of their money or property, you’re committing fraud.
helenslunch@feddit.nl
on 15 Oct 2024 15:49
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You overestimate the general population. And especially “investors”.
The cult of Elon remains real.
underisk@lemmy.ml
on 15 Oct 2024 16:34
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People will still fall for it by treating it like a demonstration of what Elon wants to make, and just an early prototype. The abilities these “robots” displayed are on par with technology that has been available for over 20 years. They don’t realize the parts missing, filled in by human intervention, are the most difficult parts to create and literally cannot be done without a major, generational breakthrough in AI.
affiliate@lemmy.world
on 16 Oct 2024 06:55
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in my defense, your honor, i didn’t think anybody would actually fall for it
rob_t_firefly@lemmy.world
on 16 Oct 2024 15:01
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At Elon’s Tesla robots are secretly humans, and at Elon’s Twitter human users are secretly bots.
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🎵 Tesla Optimus! Humans in disguise! 🎵
🎶 They look like robots but are actually just guys 🎶
Hahahahaha 🤣
🎵 Nerver hungry, never thirsty 🎵
🎼 Launched within a year - or thirty.
🫳
🎤
Serious question: Wasn’t it obvious?
There was some hate babbling when that robot taxi company in SanFran published that their autonomous cars were assisted by remote drivers who took over when situations were too complex for the robots.
I think remote support and steering will be the most reliable and practical way those tasks will be handled for the foreseeable future. How much assistance the cars will need may diminish but I don’t think they will ever be able to work without any human assistance.
Sure they will, just put then on rails, make them bigger and available to the public, call it Public AI transport or something
Tele-Reliance Artificial Intelligence Network
More like No Remote only Railiance AI Robo Taxi Network
N.R.O.R.A.I.R.T.N.? I think you missed the joke.
I might have.
Oh it spells train, i might be overworked, took a while, lol
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Light rAIl transit.
I think you’re cooking here, maybe you can get a government grant to fund this
thats just regular driving with extra steps
Sort of. It just depends on how much the person needs to control the vehicle.
The easiest example I can think of: Imagine lorries traveling along a motorway, and they can do that autonomously because it’s “easy”, and when they get into a city a remote operator needs to drive them manually into the depot.
Each operator could easily drive 4 or 5 lorries, if only one of those is entering a city at a time. Instead of needing a driver per truck, you only need drivers for the maximum number of trucks that might be entering cities at the same time. For a fleet of 30, that could be 5 drivers.
For things like mining, where safety regulations mean that you want to avoid having people in the mine as much as possible, even having one driver for every haul truck (so yeah, regular driving with extra steps) could be economically profitable if it means you can reduce some other, potentially expensive safety controls.
this would work mostly in the us where the majority of the time you are in wide highways. aside from that, i see how it can be useful.
Some of it was and some of it wasn’t. I think when they initially came out walking, that was probably autonomous. The dancing was autonomous. The only time we saw evidence that they weren’t autonomous was at the end when they were interacting with people at the event.
Problem is, we don’t know. We know some of it was. Tesla did not state that any of it was remote controlled, which means we basically have to assume that all of it was.
The cars were probably also being nudged just in case.
like a shepherd he said, you can run 10 or 20 of the cars.
Title reads like tall skinny bitches were wearing robot costumes. What they meant to say is that the robots weren’t autonomous.
Didn’t they actually have people in robot costumes previously though?
Yeah, it was a guy they had come out on stage and do a dance in a morph suit and a helmet.
Yes and that was just pathetic
My recollection is it was the “unveiling” before they built it and it was one person in a costume.
So less like I, Robot and more like Surrogates.
Less like surrogates and more like The Muppets
Is it still fraud if no one falls for it?
Yes
You overestimate the general population. And especially “investors”.
The cult of Elon remains real.
People will still fall for it by treating it like a demonstration of what Elon wants to make, and just an early prototype. The abilities these “robots” displayed are on par with technology that has been available for over 20 years. They don’t realize the parts missing, filled in by human intervention, are the most difficult parts to create and literally cannot be done without a major, generational breakthrough in AI.
in my defense, your honor, i didn’t think anybody would actually fall for it
At Elon’s Tesla robots are secretly humans, and at Elon’s Twitter human users are secretly bots.