Tech Giants Withholding Products Because EU Regulation like GDPR (www.axios.com)
from 1984@lemmy.today to technology@lemmy.world on 18 Jul 2024 13:29
https://lemmy.today/post/13535701

Does this mean we dont get to be tracked, data mined, ad-bombed, and exploited while our teens dont get depressed and sick from “social” media?

Well, if thats the price we pay, thats the price we pay… :)

#technology

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devfuuu@lemmy.world on 18 Jul 2024 14:00 next collapse

Really hope so.

sunzu@kbin.run on 18 Jul 2024 14:22 next collapse

Corpo propaganda at it again...

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massive_bereavement@fedia.io on 18 Jul 2024 14:28 collapse

You might think that but you're missing cool thing like, ah.. the metaverse..?

ShittyBeatlesFCPres@lemmy.world on 18 Jul 2024 14:43 next collapse

What’s the easiest EU country to emigrate to?

darklamer@lemmy.dbzer0.com on 18 Jul 2024 17:12 next collapse

www.google.com/search?q=What's+the+easiest+EU+cou…

ShittyBeatlesFCPres@lemmy.world on 18 Jul 2024 17:50 next collapse

Thanks for taking my joke literally and showing me a new search engine. That Google one seems pretty good. I’ve been using AltaVista and my BBS to find info but that’s way quicker.

Also, if you want to be a smart ass about it, use letmegooglethat.com/?q=dikfore

Obi@sopuli.xyz on 18 Jul 2024 17:57 next collapse

I was gonna one-up you with Lycos but as it turns out, it still works!

darklamer@lemmy.dbzer0.com on 18 Jul 2024 20:51 collapse

Also, if you want to be a smart ass about it, use letmegooglethat.com/?q=dikfore

There’s really no reason for you to be rude.

ShittyBeatlesFCPres@lemmy.world on 18 Jul 2024 23:17 collapse

Why do I need a reason?

tigerjerusalem@lemmy.world on 18 Jul 2024 19:22 next collapse

People are pissed but I actually liked the link, so thank you.

undefined@links.hackliberty.org on 19 Jul 2024 02:08 collapse

Google? Yikes

ZILtoid1991@lemmy.world on 18 Jul 2024 18:02 next collapse

If you have no human principles, Hungary. You just have to buy some papers for it. Maybe learn a hard and useless language. But definitely love corruption and the suffering of other humans.

dubyakay@lemmy.ca on 19 Jul 2024 02:54 collapse

This is not true. You need to have years of presence OR have Hungarian ancestry and a few years less presence OR be married to a Hungarian for a couple years. Top this off with being able to know the Hungarian language.

ZILtoid1991@lemmy.world on 19 Jul 2024 05:07 collapse

Not if you buy the letelepedési kötvény (immigration bonds).

dubyakay@lemmy.ca on 19 Jul 2024 05:20 collapse

Other countries have a similar system. Canada for example has the Start-up Visa, which requires about C$225k investment, or the Quebec one (now suspended) which required C$1.25m over five years.

From what I can tell, the Hungarian requires somewhere between 200 and 300k EUR. This is not something that is affordable or easy to attain for the average lemmy poster. But again, this also does not guarantee citizenship, just residency.

In short, requesting a work or study visa and then trying for the citizenship test five years later, after having learned the language, is probably a much more attainable way. But still far from the easiest country to emigrate to.

mr_strange@discuss.tchncs.de on 21 Jul 2024 00:56 collapse

Malta. You just have to pay a (largish) fee, and they’ll have you.

brsrklf@jlai.lu on 18 Jul 2024 14:47 next collapse

Sounds like it’s working to me.

Zuckbot, comply with GDPR or forget about EU.

sunbeam60@lemmy.one on 18 Jul 2024 20:38 collapse

In this case I think it’s the DMA they’re butthurt about.

brsrklf@jlai.lu on 19 Jul 2024 06:10 collapse

The article mentions both. Meta is still complaining about GDPR.

technocrit@lemmy.dbzer0.com on 18 Jul 2024 15:05 next collapse

If your “product” is stealing my information for your “AI” or extorting me to buy “dongles”, then please “withhold” it.

RobotToaster@mander.xyz on 18 Jul 2024 15:10 next collapse

Oh dear, how sad, never mind

avidamoeba@lemmy.ca on 18 Jul 2024 15:11 next collapse

Threatening a dog with a weiner I see. That’s a bold strategy.

henfredemars@infosec.pub on 18 Jul 2024 15:30 next collapse

USA only wishes we were this cool.

lvxferre@mander.xyz on 18 Jul 2024 16:07 next collapse

If the products or “products” being withheld are deemed useful by their users, you’re bound to have someone filling the gap created by the butthurt tech giants leaving. Without all the associated data vulturing.

cheese_greater@lemmy.world on 18 Jul 2024 17:07 next collapse

Capitalism at its best

lvxferre@mander.xyz on 18 Jul 2024 17:25 collapse

I wouldn’t say “capitalism”, given that some of the alternatives filling the gap to be non-commercial in nature.

ricdeh@lemmy.world on 18 Jul 2024 18:16 collapse

Free market economy at its best

nyan@lemmy.cafe on 19 Jul 2024 00:00 collapse

If we’re really lucky, those replacements might even become competition for the original products outside the EU, and drive the data vultures out of business.

(Something has to go right in this timeline eventually, right?)

lvxferre@mander.xyz on 19 Jul 2024 06:24 collapse

I feel like there’s a good chance that this happens, as long as they catch inside the EU, due to network effect.

knotthatone@lemmy.one on 18 Jul 2024 16:38 next collapse

This is more bark than bite, imo. They’re just threatening to withhold products at this point, but as the article points out:

  • Europe’s a big market and profit focused companies aren’t going to give that up just to make a point
  • Those that do will just encourage European competition to step up and fill whatever gaps might appear, which is just fine by the EU.

So… go right ahead. Let’s see how this really plays out.

fluxion@lemmy.world on 18 Jul 2024 16:56 next collapse

Same argument for any case where cooperations bitch and whine about regulations.

SlopppyEngineer@lemmy.world on 18 Jul 2024 19:09 next collapse

And the products they are threatening to withhold are exactly the products we don’t want. Last time the tech giants threatened to leave entirely the EU asked when to plan the going away party. The current tactic from the giants isn’t much better

xavier666@lemm.ee on 19 Jul 2024 05:14 collapse

“Don’t threaten me with a good time”

mannycalavera@feddit.uk on 18 Jul 2024 16:57 next collapse

Does this mean we dont get to be tracked, data mined, ad-bombed, and exploited while our teens dont get depressed and sick from “social” media?

Nah you still get all of that but in a shitter product.

sunbeam60@lemmy.one on 18 Jul 2024 20:37 collapse

May I introduce you to our friend and saviour, the GDPR regulations?

MinFapper@lemmy.world on 19 Jul 2024 01:00 collapse

Nah, you can build algorithms that make depressed teenagers with little to no tracking. Especially if they can train said algorithms from data they already have from the rest of the world.

cheese_greater@lemmy.world on 18 Jul 2024 17:07 next collapse

This just in: good time threatened. O no

IchNichtenLichten@lemmy.world on 18 Jul 2024 18:24 next collapse

“Meta has decided not to release a new multimodal AI model and related products in the EU.

The move follows a similar decision last month by Apple to withhold its new Apple Intelligence features from Europe.”

Oh no. Wait. Come back.

Fedizen@lemmy.world on 19 Jul 2024 03:19 next collapse

wow so they’re holding back on wasteful broken products?Seems like win win

JackFrostNCola@lemmy.world on 19 Jul 2024 14:19 collapse

You’re tearing me apart lisa!

96VXb9ktTjFnRi@feddit.nl on 18 Jul 2024 20:10 next collapse

We don’t want your shitty products :)

RegalPotoo@lemmy.world on 18 Jul 2024 22:36 next collapse

  • Apple reversed log standing design policy to put a USB C charger in the iPhone because not selling iPhones in Europe was not a financially viable option.

  • Apple won’t launch their AI features in Europe because changing to comply with regulations is too hard

These features aren’t that important then I guess?

ocassionallyaduck@lemmy.world on 19 Jul 2024 04:23 collapse

This is a total win for Europeans.

Bring more Europe to the US. Lol

abrinael@lemmy.world on 19 Jul 2024 01:00 next collapse

It’s too bad the websites that do this don’t have to put a label on it in the U.S. Something like “Not for consumption in the E.U.” to make people wonder what’s going on.

undefined@links.hackliberty.org on 19 Jul 2024 02:11 collapse

I’m struggling with this as a website operator. I don’t have any third-party tracking, no external assets, nothing and I’m dying to put up a cookie banner stating as such even though it’s totally unnecessary and annoying.

Imperor@lemmy.world on 19 Jul 2024 06:14 collapse

You do not have to put up a cookie banner when you are only using technically required ones ornnone at all. Make a dedicated cookies page in your footer and have a table with every cookie, their name, their description and use as well as how long they last.

If you have none, put that info on that page. All you need to do.

undefined@links.hackliberty.org on 19 Jul 2024 17:04 collapse

That’s what I was saying: that it isn’t required but it would be nice to advertise I’m not doing anything shady.

Great advice on the cookie listing page though. I haven’t considered that.

giacomo@lemm.ee on 19 Jul 2024 04:25 next collapse

oh no, not the products!

Paragone@lemmy.world on 19 Jul 2024 04:48 next collapse

This escalation will continue,

until big-tech forces the governments to kneel to the surveillance-capitalism biggest:

They will simply say something like:

“Either your government removes laws, regulations, accountability, etc, from us,

XOR we are hamstringing your country: we OWN you, we POSSESS you, & you will obey OUR rule.”

I guarantee this will be happening between now & 2036.

Remember how they can ratchet-up a genocide, anywhere??

They’ve already done so, in some places…

( Facebook & … was it Myanmar? as 1 example )

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rottingleaf@lemmy.world on 19 Jul 2024 04:52 next collapse

until big-tech forces the governments to kneel to the surveillance-capitalism biggest:

You think governments are resisting?

Knock_Knock_Lemmy_In@lemmy.world on 19 Jul 2024 08:48 collapse

Governments without lobbying and revolving doors. Yes.

rottingleaf@lemmy.world on 19 Jul 2024 09:32 collapse

Do you know what an optocoupler is? It’s when there’s no thermal or electric connection between parts, but the information gets transferred.

This is the same. Government officials don’t have to officially communicate with businesses in corrupt ways or allow such “revolving doors”.

They may communicate, well, face-to-face unofficially, get kickbacks.

And they also can do things mutually interesting for the business and the official without ever communicating about it, the economic interest is that communication in itself.

And then economic interests are just a subset of power interests. Like surveillance.

DSTGU@sopuli.xyz on 19 Jul 2024 06:32 collapse

I upvoted purely for using xor in regular speech

BigBenis@lemmy.world on 19 Jul 2024 05:02 next collapse

Oh no! Anyway…

daniskarma@lemmy.dbzer0.com on 19 Jul 2024 06:50 next collapse

Oh… no… please… do not do that…

Anyways

rottingleaf@lemmy.world on 19 Jul 2024 06:53 next collapse

Could they withhold their existence while we’re at it?..

KomfortablesKissen@discuss.tchncs.de on 19 Jul 2024 14:52 collapse

Nice! Thank you EU for the GDPR!

For the next step, please let the companies that produce software be held accountable for damages. For Nonprofits change the target to associated companies. Also punish the people responsible, like the developers, for their software and choice of used libraries. If the library was insufficiently supported by the developer, then the developer has no ground to sue for damages themselves.

mr_strange@discuss.tchncs.de on 21 Jul 2024 00:55 collapse

Also punish the people responsible, like the developers, for their software and choice of used libraries.

What??

KomfortablesKissen@discuss.tchncs.de on 21 Jul 2024 07:27 collapse

You write shitty code and it breaks something? You should be punished accordingly.

You load libraries without checking each and every one and now something’s broken? You should be punished accordingly.

You load proprietary code and now something’s broken? You better checked the whole contract so you can punish the creators after you’ve been punished.

Software developers often have way more reach (over distance and over time) than they realize. They should be held accountable more like doctors or engineers.