SR-72: US secret hypersonic jet to allegedly break sound barrier in 2025 | Believed to be a top-secret project of the US Air Force, the SR-72 is touted to reach over 4,000 mph (6,437 kph), making i... (interestingengineering.com)
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SR-72: US secret hypersonic jet to allegedly break sound barrier in 2025 | Believed to be a top-secret project of the US Air Force, the SR-72 is touted to reach over 4,000 mph (6,437 kph), making i…::undefined

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[deleted] on 03 Jan 2024 02:03 next collapse

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abhibeckert@lemmy.world on 03 Jan 2024 02:11 next collapse

Everyone knows exactly where the satellites are and certain (potential) enemies have the capability to disrupt/destroy them.

A stealth jet is, well, stealthy, which has a lot of value.

Some artists impressions of the jet don’t have any windows and it’s believed to be unmanned or at least capable of unmanned flight.

Also I wouldn’t discount the cool factor… the airforce does fighter jet flyovers all the time and occasionally stealth jets too. It helps with recruiting for one thing.

BearOfaTime@lemm.ee on 03 Jan 2024 04:42 collapse

Plus at Mach 10, there’s little time between target acquisition, firing solution, launch, even with Mach-teen missiles.

It’s not like missiles have unlimited range.

Plus being unmanned it likely could manuever much faster, since it doesn’t have to consider sacks of jelly, just airframe capability.

Of course, I’m just speculating. Though range and relative speeds are what the 71 relied on to not be shot down too.

NaibofTabr@infosec.pub on 03 Jan 2024 07:35 collapse

I seriously doubt this thing can maneuver when traveling at its operational speed. Air resistance would be like hitting a brick wall, it would rip apart. Of course it can probably just fly past everything so fast that it doesn’t matter, including air intercept missiles.

It must just eat fuel. I wonder what its expected operating range is. I bet it has to refuel inflight as soon as it gets off the ground and up to cruising altitude, before it can go do anything useful.

MsPenguinette@lemmy.world on 03 Jan 2024 02:16 next collapse

From my understanding, the most capable spy satellites are either in geostationary orbit or polar orbits.

  • Geo orbit gets you constant survalance but in limited areas

  • Polar orbit gets you almost anywhere but only periodic survalance while you wait for the orbit to process.

So this can be good for getting somewhere you don’t typically monitor in real time or to get quicker more real time info on a target.

Also, a big threat the government is worried about right now is the physical saftey of space assets. If someone launches a space weapon and takes out a spy satellite, I can see how the government would want a good fallback

edgemaster72@lemmy.world on 03 Jan 2024 02:23 next collapse

The X-Men need an upgrade

ultranaut@lemmy.world on 03 Jan 2024 02:58 next collapse

You can put it exactly where you want it, exactly when you want it there.

Jimmycakes@lemmy.world on 03 Jan 2024 03:54 collapse

Good thing the article mentions it’s unmanned 😉

agamemnonymous@sh.itjust.works on 03 Jan 2024 02:31 next collapse

Got all the way to 71 by 1966, but then 59 years to get to 72? What’ve those skunks been doing?

AbidanYre@lemmy.world on 03 Jan 2024 02:40 next collapse

Sexually harassing cats and talking with French accents.

Ultragramps@lemmy.blahaj.zone on 03 Jan 2024 04:16 next collapse

J’accuse!

Tylerdurdon@lemmy.world on 03 Jan 2024 05:21 collapse

There was more of an attempted rape vibe going on there. Sexual harassment was just the icing. Get your Warner Brothers silliness straight.

AbidanYre@lemmy.world on 03 Jan 2024 12:57 collapse

If those cats didn’t want it they wouldn’t have been wearing those paint stripes. /s

Quetzalcutlass@lemmy.world on 03 Jan 2024 05:59 collapse

This new plane is a hypersonic weapon delivery drone, barely related to the SR-71 aside from the speed it can travel.

As to the sixty years thing, satellites made spyplanes nearly entirely obsolete and traditional aircraft with stealth technology covered the remaining cases well enough that there wasn’t a need for more speed. Research went into making missiles better instead, and this is designed to be a launch platform for those missiles.

mojofrododojo@lemmy.world on 03 Jan 2024 08:14 next collapse

yep. you could hide from radar, but thermals or acoustics would give you away. if you’re trucking mach 5 leading edge friction alone might give you away even if you’re coated with RAM and aerogels and magic dope.

I suspect it’s just Lockheed wringing more ‘magic’ out of the skunkwork’s legacy. I don’t doubt the aircraft will be awesome, but like the f22, it’ll be limited by physics and budgets and we’ll wonder what the competing runner-up would do better/cheaper/faster.

See: YF23 heh.

That said I really do hope the Skunworks is still making magic we just aren’t cleared for, and maintain the Kelly Johnson / Ben Rich legacy of hits.

Poem_for_your_sprog@lemmy.world on 04 Jan 2024 14:09 collapse

Then why do we still operate the U2? SR-71 was operated all the way until 1999. Hubble was launched in 1990 so the large mirrors for spy telescopes had to have been in use well before that.

LilDumpy@lemmy.world on 03 Jan 2024 02:41 next collapse

Why does it take one year for this plane to warm up before it breaks the sound barrier? Aren’t there planes that already break the sound barrier in minutes/seconds and not take years?

CaptainSpaceman@lemmy.world on 03 Jan 2024 02:48 next collapse

The speed of sound is roughly 750mph

This plane goes 4000mph. Thats like Mach 6 right?

Edit: looks like SR71 still holds the record for now at Mach 3.5 or around 2000mph

grue@lemmy.world on 03 Jan 2024 06:11 collapse

Edit: looks like SR71 still holds the record for now

The unclassified record, sure.

CaptainSpaceman@lemmy.world on 03 Jan 2024 12:59 collapse

Can you explain what youre referring to?

grue@lemmy.world on 03 Jan 2024 23:34 collapse

I don’t believe for a second that the Air Force hasn’t built something faster than the SR-71 in forty years, but I do believe they wouldn’t have told us about it.

Tylerdurdon@lemmy.world on 03 Jan 2024 05:29 next collapse

I think the speed is more in regard to the capability to go into space. From what I remember, the SR71 was easily fast enough to go, but the limit was atmosphere (engines). If they could get something into space that could come back as a single unit (needing just a refuel), it could change a lot. Total speculation though, it’s probably just super fast so it can go destroy other humans super good, because that’s super important.

Person264@lemmings.world on 03 Jan 2024 06:36 next collapse

They’ll test it on the ground and flying slowly first before going fast to make sure it’s safe enough.

Munkisquisher@lemmy.nz on 03 Jan 2024 07:44 collapse

It takes lots of chops with an axe to break through

noorbeast@lemmy.zip on 03 Jan 2024 02:49 next collapse

A little late to allegedly break sound barrier in 2025: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sound_barrier

duckCityComplex@lemmy.world on 03 Jan 2024 12:08 collapse

Right! They used to have a commercial airliner that broke the sound barrier.

I was confused about how the article kept saying “hypersonic” without defining it. Looks like hypersonic means 5x the speed of sound.

www.dictionary.com/…/hypersonic-vs-supersonic

Eezyville@sh.itjust.works on 03 Jan 2024 19:01 collapse

It means a little bit more than that. Mach 5 at sea level is usually when the properties of air changes into a plasma. The electrons are separated from their atoms creating an electrically charged plasma that the vehicle travels through. The speed where hypersonic is defined differs at higher altitude due to the composition of the fluid it travels through. I’ll have to dig up some old textbooks to get a more accurate definition though.

Source: Aerospace engineer who worked on hypersonic projects for the Air Force

EDIT: The conventional rule of thumb is to define hypersonic aerodynamics as those flows where the Mach number is greater than 5 however that is no more than a rule of thumb. Hypersonic flow is best defined where certain physical phenomena become progressively more important as the Mach number is increased. In some cases these phenomena might become important above Mach 3, in other cases they are important above Mach 7. Example phenomena:

  • Thin shock layers
  • Entropy Layer: It’s a region of strong vorticity and effects boundary layer calculations
  • Viscous Interaction
  • High Temperature flows
  • Low-Density flow

I forgot to mention before the edit that the actual shape of the object traveling through the fluid also effects when the fluid becomes hypersonic due to it’s interaction on the fluid (shocks, recapitulation, boundary layer interactions, etc.).

Source: Hypersonic and High-Temperature Gas Dynamics 2nd Ed. (John D. Anderson Jr.)

Hadriscus@lemm.ee on 03 Jan 2024 20:35 collapse

Thanks for delivering on that textbook, even though I don’t understand most of it, it sounds cool as hell

FartsWithAnAccent@lemmy.world on 03 Jan 2024 02:50 next collapse

SR-71 was always my favorite growing up. This thing seems pretty badass!

Ultragramps@lemmy.blahaj.zone on 03 Jan 2024 04:18 collapse

Same. “That scene” from the movie D.A.R.Y.L. is a core memory.

MataVatnik@lemmy.world on 03 Jan 2024 03:05 next collapse

Back when Ukraine invasion kicked off there was a lot of puffing about Russia and Chinas hypersonic capabilities, fearmongering essentially. I was a nerd bout the X projects so i knew it was all smoke. When I would say that Russia or China can’t even begin to touch US hypersonic tech, this is what I mean. The US has been working on hypersonic flight for decades, before China’s economic boom, and while post soviet Russia was still a baby with a destroyed economy. I would be very surprised if the have anything anywhere close to what we have.

InvaderDJ@lemmy.world on 03 Jan 2024 15:02 collapse

Aren’t the Russian hypersonic missiles essentially just regular ballistic missiles? I remember reading something saying that calling them hypersonic was a stretch, and they have been intercepted by standard missile defense systems which actual hypersonic missiles wouldn’t be.

MataVatnik@lemmy.world on 03 Jan 2024 16:54 collapse

I think they have gliding capabilities and can maneuver but they generally follow a predictable trajectory and thats why they are able to be shot down, because if they do maneuver they lose a stupid amount of range.

ElBarto@sh.itjust.works on 03 Jan 2024 03:31 next collapse

That’s a pretty good effort for a rock band, good on them!

cyberpunk007@lemmy.world on 03 Jan 2024 04:07 collapse

The band was SR-71, not SR-72 though…

ElBarto@sh.itjust.works on 03 Jan 2024 04:14 collapse

Damn it shoulda payed attention, too excited about my obscure joke.

cyberpunk007@lemmy.world on 03 Jan 2024 06:53 collapse

It would have been so good. For what it’s worth, it made me laugh at first 😂

ElBarto@sh.itjust.works on 03 Jan 2024 06:59 collapse

It’s not very often I get to reference them, at least it got a laugh, that’s all I cared about lol. Tasked failed successfully I guess.

cyberpunk007@lemmy.world on 03 Jan 2024 16:09 collapse

Task failed successfully

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Mango@lemmy.world on 03 Jan 2024 04:20 next collapse

Surely that’s not what’s impressive about it? We can already do that right?

maryjayjay@lemmy.world on 03 Jan 2024 04:44 next collapse

What vehicle?

Agent641@lemmy.world on 03 Jan 2024 05:59 next collapse

Nepalese tourist bus on a winding mountain road.

jdf038@mander.xyz on 03 Jan 2024 19:06 collapse

I experienced this in Taiwan to less of a degree so thanks for making me never want to go to Nepal because that gives me anxiety just imagining it 😆

jettrscga@lemmy.world on 03 Jan 2024 07:02 next collapse

I feel like I’m taking crazy pills.

The speed of sound is 343 m/s, 767 mph. This description is Mach 5, 5x the sound barrier.

An F-22 can go 1500 mph.

Apparently the first airplane to break the sound barrier was Bell X-1 in 1947.

SwampYankee@mander.xyz on 03 Jan 2024 12:25 next collapse

I think the intention is to highlight it as a milestone in the development of this aircraft. If you read the article, sounds like it hasn’t even been on a test flight yet.

Balex@lemmy.world on 03 Jan 2024 15:25 collapse

Looks like the plan is for it to eventually reach speeds over 4000 mph.

Matty_r@programming.dev on 03 Jan 2024 05:33 collapse

The guy down the street with a Kawasaki Ninja probably thinks he can.

FrankTheHealer@lemmy.world on 03 Jan 2024 21:03 collapse

Hypersonic is 5x the speed of sound. SR71, F22, F35 none of them could go that fast. Or at least were designed to go that fast. Get an aircraft to reliably and consistently go 5x the speed of sound is a huge milestone.

Mango@lemmy.world on 03 Jan 2024 21:41 collapse

X-43A

Wahots@pawb.social on 03 Jan 2024 05:25 next collapse

I’m extremely curious what those weapon systems look like. A missile? Maybe two? 10 bricks? 5,000 ball bearings? Any object hitting anything at ~4,000 mph would do a fuckton of damage.

Agent641@lemmy.world on 03 Jan 2024 06:01 collapse

It drops leaflets that say “This is what you got instead of affordable healthcare”

Any american who reads it instantly dies inside

Bit cruel if you ask me.

[deleted] on 03 Jan 2024 07:11 next collapse

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Buttons@programming.dev on 03 Jan 2024 07:11 next collapse

Then on the back is a story about 3 pilots asking the tower for a speed check.

Rinox@feddit.it on 03 Jan 2024 18:45 collapse

Btw the lack of American affordable healthcare is by design, not due to budgetary constraints. The US military budget is actually not completely unreasonable in comparison to GDP, being 3% and including social security for veterans.

In comparison Russia is now spending 6-7% of GDP on the military, possibly more since the Russian economy is shrinking. China is around 2%, and the world average is around 2% still. The US has a massive economy, so their 3% dwarfs all other countries.

As for healthcare, the US government is already spending twice as much per person as other western countries. If the US government wanted affordable healthcare, they could make it happen yesterday, all while reducing healthcare expenditure. The problem is just a political one, not an economic one.

vladmech@lemmy.world on 03 Jan 2024 08:02 next collapse

There were a lot of things we couldn’t do in an SR-71, but we were the fastest guys on the block and loved reminding our fellow aviators of this fact. People often asked us if, because of this fact, it was fun to fly the jet. Fun would not be the first word I would use to describe flying this plane. Intense, maybe. Even cerebral. But there was one day in our Sled experience when we would have to say that it was pure fun to be the fastest guys out there, at least for a moment.

It occurred when Walt and I were flying our final training sortie. We needed 100 hours in the jet to complete our training and attain Mission Ready status. Somewhere over Colorado we had passed the century mark. We had made the turn in Arizona and the jet was performing flawlessly. My gauges were wired in the front seat and we were starting to feel pretty good about ourselves, not only because we would soon be flying real missions but because we had gained a great deal of confidence in the plane in the past ten months. Ripping across the barren deserts 80,000 feet below us, I could already see the coast of California from the Arizona border. I was, finally, after many humbling months of simulators and study, ahead of the jet.

I was beginning to feel a bit sorry for Walter in the back seat. There he was, with no really good view of the incredible sights before us, tasked with monitoring four different radios. This was good practice for him for when we began flying real missions, when a priority transmission from headquarters could be vital. It had been difficult, too, for me to relinquish control of the radios, as during my entire flying career I had controlled my own transmissions. But it was part of the division of duties in this plane and I had adjusted to it. I still insisted on talking on the radio while we were on the ground, however. Walt was so good at many things, but he couldn’t match my expertise at sounding smooth on the radios, a skill that had been honed sharply with years in fighter squadrons where the slightest radio miscue was grounds for beheading. He understood that and allowed me that luxury.

Just to get a sense of what Walt had to contend with, I pulled the radio toggle switches and monitored the frequencies along with him. The predominant radio chatter was from Los Angeles Center, far below us, controlling daily traffic in their sector. While they had us on their scope (albeit briefly), we were in uncontrolled airspace and normally would not talk to them unless we needed to descend into their airspace.

We listened as the shaky voice of a lone Cessna pilot asked Center for a readout of his ground speed. Center replied: “November Charlie 175, I’m showing you at ninety knots on the ground.”

Now the thing to understand about Center controllers, was that whether they were talking to a rookie pilot in a Cessna, or to Air Force One, they always spoke in the exact same, calm, deep, professional, tone that made one feel important. I referred to it as the ” Houston Center voice.” I have always felt that after years of seeing documentaries on this country’s space program and listening to the calm and distinct voice of the Houston controllers, that all other controllers since then wanted to sound like that, and that they basically did. And it didn’t matter what sector of the country we would be flying in, it always seemed like the same guy was talking. Over the years that tone of voice had become somewhat of a comforting sound to pilots everywhere. Conversely, over the years, pilots always wanted to ensure that, when transmitting, they sounded like Chuck Yeager, or at least like John Wayne. Better to die than sound bad on the radios.

Just moments after the Cessna’s inquiry, a Twin Beech piped up on frequency, in a rather superior tone, asking for his ground speed. “I have you at one hundred and twenty-five knots of ground speed.” Boy, I thought, the Beechcraft really must think he is dazzling his Cessna brethren. Then out of the blue, a navy F-18 pilot out of NAS Lemoore came up on frequency. You knew right away it was a Navy jock because he sounded very cool on the radios. “Center, Dusty 52 ground speed check”. Before Center could reply, I’m thinking to myself, hey, Dusty 52 has a ground speed indicator in that million-dollar cockpit, so why is he asking Center for a readout? Then I got it, ol’ Dusty here is making sure that every bug smasher from Mount Whitney to the Mojave knows what true speed is. He’s the fastest dude in the valley today, and he just wants everyone to know how much fun he is having in his new Hornet. And the reply, always with that same, calm, voice, with more distinct alliteration than emotion: “Dusty 52, Center, we have you at 620 on the ground.”

And I thought to myself, is this a ripe situation, or what? As my hand instinctively reached for the mic button, I had to remind myself that Walt was in control of the rad

AeroNaut@lemmy.world on 03 Jan 2024 11:53 next collapse

That read beautifully, must have been such a good moment. Hope you didn’t catch any flack for that though?

d3Xt3r@lemmy.nz on 03 Jan 2024 12:11 next collapse

Um, that wasn’t OP’s story, it’s an old copypasta from Reddit. old.reddit.com/r/…/sr71_blackbird_copypasta/

Which was in turn derived from the book “Sled Driver: Flying the World’s Fastest Jet” by Brian Shul.

Oderus@lemmy.world on 03 Jan 2024 12:31 next collapse

This is my favorite copypasta. Love that Blackbird.

thatsnothowyoudoit@lemmy.ca on 03 Jan 2024 13:08 next collapse

You can hear Brian Schul tell it himself: youtu.be/8AyHH9G9et0?si=5aes_aeiIT3bIlsX

AeroNaut@lemmy.world on 06 Jan 2024 20:29 collapse

So cool, thanks for sharing

InvaderDJ@lemmy.world on 03 Jan 2024 15:00 next collapse

It might even be from before then. I could swear I saw this copypasta back on the GameFAQs message board in the early 2000’s.

AeroNaut@lemmy.world on 06 Jan 2024 20:28 collapse

oh shit, thanks. I had no idea

Ghyste@sh.itjust.works on 04 Jan 2024 15:16 collapse

One of the best copypastas ever.

init@lemmy.ml on 03 Jan 2024 14:43 next collapse

Every time I see this story I laugh. Thanks for posting it.

Ghyste@sh.itjust.works on 04 Jan 2024 15:19 collapse

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smiling_big_baby_boy@midwest.social on 03 Jan 2024 22:42 next collapse

A rat done bit my sister Nell

With whitey on the moon

Her face and arms began to swell

And whitey’s on the moon

I can’t pay no doctor bills

But whitey’s on the moon

Ten years from now I’ll be payin’ still

While whitey’s on the moon

The man just upped my rent last night

Cause whitey’s on the moon

No hot water, no toilets, no lights

But whitey’s on the moon

I wonder why he’s upping me?

Cause whitey’s on the moon?

Well I was already giving him fifty a week

With whitey on the moon

Taxes taking my whole damn check

Junkies making me a nervous wreck

The price of food is going up

And as if all that shit wasn’t enough:

A rat done bit my sister Nell

With whitey on the moon

Her face and arm began to swell

And whitey’s on the moon

Was all that money I made last year

For whitey on the moon?

How come I ain’t got no money here?

Hmm! Whitey’s on the moon

Y’know I just 'bout had my fill

Of whitey on the moon

I think I’ll send these doctor bills

Airmail special

To whitey on the moon

jotadeo@lemmy.world on 03 Jan 2024 22:54 next collapse

Reminds me of the ship from Gatchaman/G-Force/Battle of the Planets (just needs a new paint job and some minor modifications)

lazynooblet@lazysoci.al on 03 Jan 2024 23:40 next collapse

So incredibly secret that we are reading about it on Lemmy

HulkSmashBurgers@reddthat.com on 03 Jan 2024 22:38 collapse

m.youtube.com/watch?v=NRD0DWhSYlY&pp=ygURdG9wIGd1…