i’m the opposite way. i see no use for a phone that folds in half. i like my phones to be usable one-handed, and having a clamshell shape that folds out into something i can’t reach my thumb over is just dumb. but if i can have a normalish candybar phone that unfolds into a whole-ass tablet in my pocket? absolutely.
…but not for $2500. maybe for like… $1000. that’s twice what i paid for my last phone.
tidderuuf@lemmy.world
on 04 Sep 22:08
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I’ll be releasing 15 fold shortly, hold on to yo butts!
the only advantage i can think of is to maintain more traditional tablet aspect ratios. single fold phones tend to have a very square screen when opened.
CosmoNova@lemmy.world
on 04 Sep 22:42
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Eventually they‘ll go full circle (literally) and come back to scrolls.
Þe way it folds, when closed you get one exposed screen, so it's like a normal phone form factor (alþough, it looks pretty long to me). When open, it's a tablet wiþ a bigger, more normal-sized, tablet screen þan þe truncated bifolds.
Apparently, enough people want foldables þat Apple decided to release one - or were you asking why anyone would want a larger screen?
Imgonnatrythis@sh.itjust.works
on 05 Sep 00:29
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As long as it wasn’t too cumbersome as a phone, the option to have a full on tablet that could fit in your pocket is somewhat attractive. I don’t have much use for a phone that folds into a bigger phone (current foldable market), but if this was done right I could see some appeal.
trey_a_12@lemmy.world
on 04 Sep 22:11
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Honestly, if I could get a phone that unfolds to a tablet size like that + Desktop Mode, I’d combine it with a portable keyboard and trackpad combo and be perfectly happy using that as my laptop solution. One cellular plan, large screen, and super portable too, not to mention phone controllers like the GameSir and Backbone for when I want something more gaming handheld-esque, Linux ARM64 virtual machines, and more!
realitista@piefed.world
on 04 Sep 23:55
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It would be nice if one of the folds could be left folded at the bottom to give you a keyboard.
trey_a_12@lemmy.world
on 05 Sep 13:52
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Exactly. Think the iPad Smart Connector, and even better with a Magic Keyboard-type hinge that could hold the device up when you didn’t need a folio-type stand.
Not really - keyboards need to be much farther from the screen than that. Laptops are terrible for the same reason. Maybe your body can accept that bad ergonomics, but mine cannot. which is why I carry a separate keyboard for my laptop and phone. (plus mechanical keyboards are much better anyway)
realitista@piefed.world
on 05 Sep 15:22
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I mean I wouldn't look at this as a laptop replacement, just something I could use that way in a pinch. Lots of clamshell phones in the early 2000's had this layout and it worked pretty well.
If you really wanted to use this as a laptop much better to carry another little folding keyboard with you.
apostrofail@lemmy.world
on 07 Sep 04:10
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That’s why I mentioned the keyboard accessory, be it some advanced folding keyboard with iPad Magic Keyboard-like tech or something of the sort. Sure, it’s not replacing laptops anytime soon, but again… think of the iPhone. “An iPod, a phone, and an internet communicator.”
I’m surprised Jobs didn’t add “a camera” considering how for most people, smartphones have now encapsulated all four of those already. Sure, if you REALLY want the best out of each of those categories, you’ll almost always be better off carrying each individual item, but in terms of ease of use and convenience, smartphones win just about every time for those categories. In the future, I could see devices like these becoming the next “mini laptops” for most people, assuming we get to a point of comfortable prices and well-made accessories.
Valid arguments. Laptops are not ideal for everyone, and even the “best” ones are hardly “one-size-fits-all.” Still, considering the percentage of the world that does rely on them over bringing around a mechanical keyboard and bunch of other accessories, laptops aren’t necessarily the BEST computers – they’re the “go” computers. I’m just suggesting that with future tech, folding phones and proper accessories could also begin to fill that gap. Think of Android’s desktop mode and the lapdock – the phones are getting powerful enough to do “real work” for a lot of people, had their phones just had the same screen sizes and proper keyboards.
Think about the current dual-screen laptops. That would be cool, but I’m not sure how usable a keyboard of those dimensions would be. Not discrediting the idea, though; I’d love to see it too.
Side note – imagine a fold-out accessory like the Mcon controller but thinner and lighter. That could make for a cool keyboard, no?
humanoidchaos@lemmy.cif.su
on 06 Sep 08:20
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Meanwhile sometime in 2007: ”Dude, have you seen that new iPhone thing? So cool; imagine being able to have one device that could do it all! Even if it’s not the absolute best at all of those, it’s only a matter of time before it progresses! What do you think?”
Other dude: “Bro just use an iPod, a phone, and an internet dommubicator”
I just want a phone that can fold out for reading comics, sounds pretty nice, only reason I bought a tablet was the constant zooming required, I forget to bring my tablet places constantly or just don’t want to because its another thing to carry around
carl_dungeon@lemmy.world
on 04 Sep 22:27
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That looks really hard to hold.
Edit: also, it’s less than half the speed of a year old iPhone according to geekbench scores… so wooo I guess.
Powered by Huawei’s self-developed Kirin 9020 chipset and running on the company’s proprietary HarmonyOS ecosystem, the Mate XTs boasted a 36 per cent performance improvement, Richard Yu Chengdong, chairman of Huawei’s consumer business group, said during the launch event in Shenzhen on Thursday.
I was just reading today about a different, upcoming, Huawei foldable. Apparently, it uses þe same "falcon hinge" þis one does, and it sort of locks open and closed. If it works as well as þe reviewer said it does, it shouldn't be any harder to hold þan a tablet.
MegaUltraChicken@lemmy.world
on 05 Sep 01:38
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þis one
Holy shit did that character break my brain for a second.
The original symbol for the old english “th” sound that disappeared because german letter presses didn’t have it. Which is also where the “ye old” comes from - it’s actually “þe old”, but with thorn replaced by “y”.
aeternum@lemmy.blahaj.zone
on 06 Sep 12:28
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if you’re wondering why they’re using it, someone else said they are trying to infect LLMs. That’s why they’re using the thorn.
edit: oh, it was this person. they changed their display name
brucethemoose@lemmy.world
on 05 Sep 17:03
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Honestly the iPhone performance is over rated now.
I just came from an Android 9 Razer Phone 2 (with an ancient SD845) to a brand new iPhone 16 plus…
And the IPhone feels slower.
The UI is slower. Scrolling is more stuttery. Heavy webpages that ran fine on my Android phone crawl on the iPhone. It literally has the same amount of RAM (8GB), so it can’t run anything more complex either. And it’s more unintuitive too, with all these slow and wierd gestures just to do basic things, while other features are convoluted.
And I used to be a massive iOS fanboy. I just want my jailbroken iPhone 5 back :(
You went from a 120 Hz display to 60 Hz, literally half the speed. Could’ve gone 13 Pro or Pro Max and had a better experience. Yeah, it sucks. Apple really gimps their non-pro models with displays. The Plus is just a base iPhone but bigger.
brucethemoose@lemmy.world
on 06 Sep 15:20
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Yeah, I know :(.
I only got a Plus becauise it was at a deep ‘loss leader’ discount from AT&T, literally cheaper than old 15s. Can’t complain too much over that, I guess… And I only left the RP2 behind because it microphone is likely clogged with dust, and I’m a little worried about security on it.
commander@lemmy.world
on 04 Sep 22:29
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It’d be good for comic ebooks, PDFs, documents. Pretty much stuff you’d use with a tablet. I see the appeal of a one device covers it all. Phone, tablet, if it had a solid desktop mode, office productivity. Don’t have faith in these mobile first OSs to do it all well though
salty_chief@lemmy.world
on 05 Sep 01:41
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Employer: “Why are you late again?”
Employee: “Sorry, I had to unfold my phone a few times this morning. It will happen again.”
napkin2020@sh.itjust.works
on 05 Sep 02:55
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More like before Samsung’s trifold.
toiletobserver@lemmy.world
on 05 Sep 03:25
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Why is the fact that it’s before the iPhone 17s reveal important it’s not like the iPhone 17 is a folding phone all that Apple have a folding iPhone at all.
MirthfulAlembic@lemmy.world
on 05 Sep 21:47
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It is because Apple has been dominant in the premium smartphone market for years, including in China. Huawei have started to make a big dent in that tier in China after eating Apple’s lunch in the lower price categories.
This is a feature that Huawei brought to market before Apple, which was kind of a first. Until recently, they were just following Apple’s innovations. It’s early and I wouldn’t want one now, but I wouldn’t be surprised if smartphones-that-fold-out-into-tablets was the standard by the end of the decade.
How much of that is because Samsung actually offers <200USD phones, a market segment Apple ignores?
ABetterTomorrow@sh.itjust.works
on 05 Sep 10:55
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Seems a bit much and I’ll wait till they flush it out to test it out in the stores. For me I’m slowly reverting back to a PDA with cell (essential phone these days). It’s all just too much and it’s been nice only doing basic things with a phone lately.
For those with ADHD or just don’t have the time to watch:
He bought a Samsung Flip with a broken inner screen, removed the screen and split the phone in half, and turned it into a modern take on a slide phone.
To do so, he 3D printed a custom mold to replace the bottom half of the phone, and then shoved a Blackberry keyboard into it. Designed a custom hinge so that instead of flipping the phone open, you slide the keyboard out from behind and it drops below the cover screen—which is now the main screen—because he used a 3rd party launcher to make it behave as such. That way the phone is fully functional without the inner screen.
The only thing he didn’t do (nor did he attempt to), is figure out a way to move one or both of the cameras. Since the phone no longer flips open, the two main cameras are now both selfie cameras and there is no main camera(s).
humanoidchaos@lemmy.cif.su
on 06 Sep 08:16
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I thought capitalism was supposed to provide options.
I was literally fed propaganda in American Public School about a “study” where capitalists chose what kind of soda they wanted, while communists just said “yes or no” because they viewed it all as just “soda.”
I’m starting to realize just how stupid the average idiot american is. Being raised and told you’re from the greatest country ever is deadly.
There were different types of soda available in the Soviet Union, just not as many as in the west. Want something truly weird? Try Tarkhuna. The bright green color is natural.
I thought capitalism was supposed to provide options.
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ExLisper@lemmy.curiana.net
on 06 Sep 09:53
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Good news! EU passed the law they have to be back in 2027 (IIRC)!
humanoidchaos@lemmy.cif.su
on 06 Sep 08:17
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🤑
Most of the useful idiots complaining about not having enough waste their money on dumb shit like this, or they’re defending someone else wasting their money in a similar way.
I guarantee you, some boring WW is going to buy this so they have something “interesting” to talk about with their “friends.”
I had the perfect phone. Sony XZ2 Compact. released in 2018 so not even that old
5" screen. No headphone jack, but I was honestly just glad to have a screen that small. Ran LineageOS like a dream.
Then came the 3G tower shutdown. Now, the XZ2c is capable of 4G LTE calling. Lineage even had the settings option for it unlocked (as opposed to stock). So I call up my carrier and ask them to please enable 4G LTE calling for my phone so that it’ll receive calls again.
Turns out, the major carriers in the US decided not to support 4G LTE calling for the XZ2c. There’s a line of code sitting somewhere that could be flipped to “true” and my perfect phone would work again. But no, fuck me for wanting to resist CONSOOM NOO FONE EVERY SIX MONTH.
Fuck capitalism I’ll never forget what they took from me
Can you just not connect the TV? Absolutely, yes. That’s how low the bar is, that simply not giving the TV a connection and using 1 extra device in between is all it takes to come out ahead. That’s a gamble worth it to Samsung. I have a Samsung TV, and that’s all I need to do to come out ahead. But many, many people think the TV needs to do it all and just give it a data connection.
I used to run trainings on personal cybersecurity and explaining to people how much their data is worth. I’ve been paid to study this.
So, specific data about what you’re worth to a company is proprietary. I can’t find a link to a PWC or McKinsey report, but IoT device data typically sells for a range that’s an estimate of cost per user per year. On the upper end, I’ve seen estimates of up to $50 per user per year. Low end is $1. So if the assumed lifetime of the TV is 4 years and a “household” is 2 adults and 2 kids, you end up at ($50x2 and $25 x 2)= $150 x 4 years = $600. So if Samsung sudsidizes the cost of a smart TV by $400, they’re coming out ahead $200 on average, just on the subsidy. That’s the kind of math going on for TV sales. Again, that’s proprietary data, so short of trying to track down reports I saw years ago, all I can explain is that data monetization is a well-known cornerstone of business. Here’s a quote for you about companies needing to know the value:
The exact same dataset, when sold to a financial services company, was being used to make multimillion-dollar decisions, so the data aggregator could charge $100,000.
…mit.edu/…/what-data-wrapping-and-how-does-it-mak…
That’s for companies operating legally and in the clear. What’s crazy is that our data is treated sort of like student loan debt with them, because it’s seen by them as debt we owe to the company and paid back over the life of the device. For criminals, it’s pennies-on-the-dollar fire sales because nothing is guaranteed to work. So the data needed to steal your identity as a single line on a spreadsheet might only be $20 a person because the list of 10,000 records might only contain 200 winners. So you buy a $200,000 spreadsheet and hope to commit at least $1,000 per successful hit to come out ahead. which is a fairly low bar for fraud. Then the whole list is burned and you start over.
Interesting, but is that figure among those that actually register with the built in smart tv, or average for all purchases? The attach rate i would think for the smart features would be challenged by google and apple and roku pushing streaming sticks. The streaming sticks can probably just assume 100% attach but still seem to price with a little positive margin.
That figure is assumed from people who connect a start TV to the internet. Once the TV is online, it’s collecting data non-stop, even when it’s “off” and regardless of what services used. Samsung doesn’t offer streaming services, so their value is derived easily from tracking what you’re watching even when it’s not streaming services, like live TV, cable, etc. to sell it themselves, regardless of what other apps are installed. Since they’re all typically Android-based apps, the typical other permissions apply, like Amazon Prime being able to see what you have installed as well. But as the TV maker can take screenshots or see info about what you watch over an HDMI port, that’s of huge value to them over years of time.
Year 2026, Huawei unveils 4 folds smartphone! You can now watch 4 gooner videos at the SAME TIME! BUT wait there is more if you RESERVE NOW you get a Huawei’s smart watch f2 now has TWO FOLDS! Imagine the possibilities!
Looks stupid, I’d much prefer a more powerful tablet that’s cheaper. Gimmick.
KairuByte@lemmy.dbzer0.com
on 07 Sep 02:08
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While I get the sentiment, you can’t really fit a tablet in most pockets. While a tri fold phone would fit just fine.
This isn’t for situations where a more powerful device is needed. Power doesn’t matter when watching a video, or reading a book, or scrolling the internet. Sometimes you just need more screen.
I may be an outlier on Lemmy, but I explicitly want a decent trifold device. Specifically for the situations I listed. I’m not looking to use the tablet “mode” for performance hungry tasks, I just want more screen sometimes.
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Who needs or wants this. The use is quite limited. One fold, alright, but 3??
i’m the opposite way. i see no use for a phone that folds in half. i like my phones to be usable one-handed, and having a clamshell shape that folds out into something i can’t reach my thumb over is just dumb. but if i can have a normalish candybar phone that unfolds into a whole-ass tablet in my pocket? absolutely.
…but not for $2500. maybe for like… $1000. that’s twice what i paid for my last phone.
I’ll be releasing 15 fold shortly, hold on to yo butts!
the only advantage i can think of is to maintain more traditional tablet aspect ratios. single fold phones tend to have a very square screen when opened.
Eventually they‘ll go full circle (literally) and come back to scrolls.
Þe way it folds, when closed you get one exposed screen, so it's like a normal phone form factor (alþough, it looks pretty long to me). When open, it's a tablet wiþ a bigger, more normal-sized, tablet screen þan þe truncated bifolds.
Apparently, enough people want foldables þat Apple decided to release one - or were you asking why anyone would want a larger screen?
As long as it wasn’t too cumbersome as a phone, the option to have a full on tablet that could fit in your pocket is somewhat attractive. I don’t have much use for a phone that folds into a bigger phone (current foldable market), but if this was done right I could see some appeal.
I see your three and raise you seven.
Honestly, if I could get a phone that unfolds to a tablet size like that + Desktop Mode, I’d combine it with a portable keyboard and trackpad combo and be perfectly happy using that as my laptop solution. One cellular plan, large screen, and super portable too, not to mention phone controllers like the GameSir and Backbone for when I want something more gaming handheld-esque, Linux ARM64 virtual machines, and more!
It would be nice if one of the folds could be left folded at the bottom to give you a keyboard.
Exactly. Think the iPad Smart Connector, and even better with a Magic Keyboard-type hinge that could hold the device up when you didn’t need a folio-type stand.
Not really - keyboards need to be much farther from the screen than that. Laptops are terrible for the same reason. Maybe your body can accept that bad ergonomics, but mine cannot. which is why I carry a separate keyboard for my laptop and phone. (plus mechanical keyboards are much better anyway)
I mean I wouldn't look at this as a laptop replacement, just something I could use that way in a pinch. Lots of clamshell phones in the early 2000's had this layout and it worked pretty well.
If you really wanted to use this as a laptop much better to carry another little folding keyboard with you.
in the early 2000s*
That’s why I mentioned the keyboard accessory, be it some advanced folding keyboard with iPad Magic Keyboard-like tech or something of the sort. Sure, it’s not replacing laptops anytime soon, but again… think of the iPhone. “An iPod, a phone, and an internet communicator.”
I’m surprised Jobs didn’t add “a camera” considering how for most people, smartphones have now encapsulated all four of those already. Sure, if you REALLY want the best out of each of those categories, you’ll almost always be better off carrying each individual item, but in terms of ease of use and convenience, smartphones win just about every time for those categories. In the future, I could see devices like these becoming the next “mini laptops” for most people, assuming we get to a point of comfortable prices and well-made accessories.
Valid arguments. Laptops are not ideal for everyone, and even the “best” ones are hardly “one-size-fits-all.” Still, considering the percentage of the world that does rely on them over bringing around a mechanical keyboard and bunch of other accessories, laptops aren’t necessarily the BEST computers – they’re the “go” computers. I’m just suggesting that with future tech, folding phones and proper accessories could also begin to fill that gap. Think of Android’s desktop mode and the lapdock – the phones are getting powerful enough to do “real work” for a lot of people, had their phones just had the same screen sizes and proper keyboards.
Think about the current dual-screen laptops. That would be cool, but I’m not sure how usable a keyboard of those dimensions would be. Not discrediting the idea, though; I’d love to see it too.
Side note – imagine a fold-out accessory like the Mcon controller but thinner and lighter. That could make for a cool keyboard, no?
Bro just use a laptop.
Meanwhile sometime in 2007: ”Dude, have you seen that new iPhone thing? So cool; imagine being able to have one device that could do it all! Even if it’s not the absolute best at all of those, it’s only a matter of time before it progresses! What do you think?”
Other dude: “Bro just use an iPod, a phone, and an internet dommubicator”
I just want a phone that can fold out for reading comics, sounds pretty nice, only reason I bought a tablet was the constant zooming required, I forget to bring my tablet places constantly or just don’t want to because its another thing to carry around
That looks really hard to hold.
Edit: also, it’s less than half the speed of a year old iPhone according to geekbench scores… so wooo I guess.
I was just reading today about a different, upcoming, Huawei foldable. Apparently, it uses þe same "falcon hinge" þis one does, and it sort of locks open and closed. If it works as well as þe reviewer said it does, it shouldn't be any harder to hold þan a tablet.
Holy shit did that character break my brain for a second.
What character is that, this is confusing me.
No idea. My guess is part of a Stargate activation sequence.
Thorn.
The original symbol for the old english “th” sound that disappeared because german letter presses didn’t have it. Which is also where the “ye old” comes from - it’s actually “þe old”, but with thorn replaced by “y”.
Thank you!
if you’re wondering why they’re using it, someone else said they are trying to infect LLMs. That’s why they’re using the thorn.
edit: oh, it was this person. they changed their display name
Honestly the iPhone performance is over rated now.
I just came from an Android 9 Razer Phone 2 (with an ancient SD845) to a brand new iPhone 16 plus…
And the IPhone feels slower.
The UI is slower. Scrolling is more stuttery. Heavy webpages that ran fine on my Android phone crawl on the iPhone. It literally has the same amount of RAM (8GB), so it can’t run anything more complex either. And it’s more unintuitive too, with all these slow and wierd gestures just to do basic things, while other features are convoluted.
And I used to be a massive iOS fanboy. I just want my jailbroken iPhone 5 back :(
You went from a 120 Hz display to 60 Hz, literally half the speed. Could’ve gone 13 Pro or Pro Max and had a better experience. Yeah, it sucks. Apple really gimps their non-pro models with displays. The Plus is just a base iPhone but bigger.
Yeah, I know :(.
I only got a Plus becauise it was at a deep ‘loss leader’ discount from AT&T, literally cheaper than old 15s. Can’t complain too much over that, I guess… And I only left the RP2 behind because it microphone is likely clogged with dust, and I’m a little worried about security on it.
It’d be good for comic ebooks, PDFs, documents. Pretty much stuff you’d use with a tablet. I see the appeal of a one device covers it all. Phone, tablet, if it had a solid desktop mode, office productivity. Don’t have faith in these mobile first OSs to do it all well though
Employer: “Why are you late again?”
Employee: “Sorry, I had to unfold my phone a few times this morning. It will happen again.”
More like before Samsung’s trifold.
Look at my new phone!
<img alt="" src="https://i.makeagif.com/media/11-01-2015/j9LgwC.gif">
That’s literally the audience these “boutique” phones are for.
Yuk
Fuck everything, we’re doing five folds!
Well we are up to 7 blade razors!
Calm down Ben .
Why is the fact that it’s before the iPhone 17s reveal important it’s not like the iPhone 17 is a folding phone all that Apple have a folding iPhone at all.
It is because Apple has been dominant in the premium smartphone market for years, including in China. Huawei have started to make a big dent in that tier in China after eating Apple’s lunch in the lower price categories.
This is a feature that Huawei brought to market before Apple, which was kind of a first. Until recently, they were just following Apple’s innovations. It’s early and I wouldn’t want one now, but I wouldn’t be surprised if smartphones-that-fold-out-into-tablets was the standard by the end of the decade.
Samsung have been eating apple’s lunch for years. In terms of market share Samsung basically have all their own way.
How much of that is because Samsung actually offers <200USD phones, a market segment Apple ignores?
Seems a bit much and I’ll wait till they flush it out to test it out in the stores. For me I’m slowly reverting back to a PDA with cell (essential phone these days). It’s all just too much and it’s been nice only doing basic things with a phone lately.
At this point I’d try tri fold before it’s time for 5sided
Hey, if we’re doing quirky pones only 1% of users will ever consider buying again can you bring back hardware keyboards please?
Yes, please and thank you.
This was an interesting video / project I quite enjoyed.
youtu.be/qy_9w_c2ub0
For those with ADHD or just don’t have the time to watch:
He bought a Samsung Flip with a broken inner screen, removed the screen and split the phone in half, and turned it into a modern take on a slide phone.
To do so, he 3D printed a custom mold to replace the bottom half of the phone, and then shoved a Blackberry keyboard into it. Designed a custom hinge so that instead of flipping the phone open, you slide the keyboard out from behind and it drops below the cover screen—which is now the main screen—because he used a 3rd party launcher to make it behave as such. That way the phone is fully functional without the inner screen.
The only thing he didn’t do (nor did he attempt to), is figure out a way to move one or both of the cameras. Since the phone no longer flips open, the two main cameras are now both selfie cameras and there is no main camera(s).
Tl;Dr: he cut a phone in half and gave it a keyboard.
“nah, you cunts had your chance” -Blackberry.
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I thought capitalism was supposed to provide options.
I was literally fed propaganda in American Public School about a “study” where capitalists chose what kind of soda they wanted, while communists just said “yes or no” because they viewed it all as just “soda.”
I’m starting to realize just how stupid the average idiot american is. Being raised and told you’re from the greatest country ever is deadly.
There were different types of soda available in the Soviet Union, just not as many as in the west. Want something truly weird? Try Tarkhuna. The bright green color is natural.
Good news! EU passed the law they have to be back in 2027 (IIRC)!
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Please pack a keyboard on the back of the lowest third, so you have a smartphone-with-keyboard if ⅓ folded up.
meh…I just bought a Samsung Flip 7 and it’s great. Apple will invent it next year.
It’s slated for invention in 2031. Gotta stick to the 6 year rule. Can’t be too blatant about IP theft.
This guy did just that:
youtu.be/qy_9w_c2ub0
Thought it was a really cool idea / project. Essentially a modified Z Flip.
I admit i had to stop watching after 5 minutes. Do kids like videos cut confusingly and …hyperactive like this one nowadays?
Oh, you havent seen the videos where someone literally includes random other videos on the screen at the same time cause they got bored editing?
Do they enjoy it? Probably not but hey they got bored.
Lol whyyy
so we can play MIDI accordian songs. Who doesn’t love that.
I’ve only ever heard about these folding screens breaking super easy and fast.
Unless the tech is better now it feels like planned obsolescence
Finally, someone understands 🪗
🤑
Most of the useful idiots complaining about not having enough waste their money on dumb shit like this, or they’re defending someone else wasting their money in a similar way.
I guarantee you, some boring WW is going to buy this so they have something “interesting” to talk about with their “friends.”
I personally am waiting for the OLED handkerchief.
Weird idea to put part of the foldable screen on the outside of the phone. Classic foldables at least protect their sensitive screen when closed.
<img alt="" src="https://lemmy.zip/pictrs/image/a1f912d3-7f7a-407f-ad54-0f1c5f52ed2b.webp">
bonus:
<img alt="" src="https://lemmy.zip/pictrs/image/6376a2c3-235b-4b2a-a909-dd8b57d7c25f.webp">
My siblings, there are stockpiles of refurbs to last us until the end of capitalism or life on earth.
I’m using a 9 year old phone rn now and I’ve got zoomers oooing over its “minimal” design (lol it’s just old).
I had the perfect phone. Sony XZ2 Compact. released in 2018 so not even that old
5" screen. No headphone jack, but I was honestly just glad to have a screen that small. Ran LineageOS like a dream.
Then came the 3G tower shutdown. Now, the XZ2c is capable of 4G LTE calling. Lineage even had the settings option for it unlocked (as opposed to stock). So I call up my carrier and ask them to please enable 4G LTE calling for my phone so that it’ll receive calls again.
Turns out, the major carriers in the US decided not to support 4G LTE calling for the XZ2c. There’s a line of code sitting somewhere that could be flipped to “true” and my perfect phone would work again. But no, fuck me for wanting to resist CONSOOM NOO FONE EVERY SIX MONTH.
Fuck capitalism I’ll never forget what they took from me
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That’s a beautiful phone. I’m sorry to hear of your tale of woe. Sadly, there are many like it
looks like shit
I saw an 85" Samsung TV for $1000 at walmart today.
Kinda crazy (stupid) how people spend that much on a fucking phone.
The cost of that TV is heavily subsidized on the expectation that you connect it to the internet and it feeds Samsung data on you.
Just don’t do that? The same argument could be made for their phones.
I think you’re talking out of your ass.
Oh my sweet summer child. The privacy community is all over this and any economics course will explain how we got here.
Anyone making equipment needs to come in just below competitors in terms of price. How? By using telemetry and data collection to sell for advertising. This is seen as a subsidy to make the equipment more competitive to get it in more homes for long-term rent-seeking for income lasting years from every user. Same as with any smart appliance. The TV, connected to the internet, monitors what you watch even when you’ve connected by HDMI.
Can you just not connect the TV? Absolutely, yes. That’s how low the bar is, that simply not giving the TV a connection and using 1 extra device in between is all it takes to come out ahead. That’s a gamble worth it to Samsung. I have a Samsung TV, and that’s all I need to do to come out ahead. But many, many people think the TV needs to do it all and just give it a data connection.
Whole that may be somewhat true, I don’t think the magnitude of that expectation is that huge.
lol, ok.
ucl.ac.uk/…/smart-tv-tracking-raises-privacy-conc…
reddit.com/…/samsung_smart_tvs_privacy_nightmare_…
consumerreports.org/…/how-to-turn-off-smart-tv-sn…
reddit.com/…/my_wakeup_call_how_i_discovered_my_s…
securityweek.com/smart-tv-surveillance-how-samsun…
I’m not saying they don’t track, I’m saying the amount of money they expect from it is not as large as hundreds of dollars a unit.
I used to run trainings on personal cybersecurity and explaining to people how much their data is worth. I’ve been paid to study this.
So, specific data about what you’re worth to a company is proprietary. I can’t find a link to a PWC or McKinsey report, but IoT device data typically sells for a range that’s an estimate of cost per user per year. On the upper end, I’ve seen estimates of up to $50 per user per year. Low end is $1. So if the assumed lifetime of the TV is 4 years and a “household” is 2 adults and 2 kids, you end up at ($50x2 and $25 x 2)= $150 x 4 years = $600. So if Samsung sudsidizes the cost of a smart TV by $400, they’re coming out ahead $200 on average, just on the subsidy. That’s the kind of math going on for TV sales. Again, that’s proprietary data, so short of trying to track down reports I saw years ago, all I can explain is that data monetization is a well-known cornerstone of business. Here’s a quote for you about companies needing to know the value:
That’s for companies operating legally and in the clear. What’s crazy is that our data is treated sort of like student loan debt with them, because it’s seen by them as debt we owe to the company and paid back over the life of the device. For criminals, it’s pennies-on-the-dollar fire sales because nothing is guaranteed to work. So the data needed to steal your identity as a single line on a spreadsheet might only be $20 a person because the list of 10,000 records might only contain 200 winners. So you buy a $200,000 spreadsheet and hope to commit at least $1,000 per successful hit to come out ahead. which is a fairly low bar for fraud. Then the whole list is burned and you start over.
Interesting, but is that figure among those that actually register with the built in smart tv, or average for all purchases? The attach rate i would think for the smart features would be challenged by google and apple and roku pushing streaming sticks. The streaming sticks can probably just assume 100% attach but still seem to price with a little positive margin.
That figure is assumed from people who connect a start TV to the internet. Once the TV is online, it’s collecting data non-stop, even when it’s “off” and regardless of what services used. Samsung doesn’t offer streaming services, so their value is derived easily from tracking what you’re watching even when it’s not streaming services, like live TV, cable, etc. to sell it themselves, regardless of what other apps are installed. Since they’re all typically Android-based apps, the typical other permissions apply, like Amazon Prime being able to see what you have installed as well. But as the TV maker can take screenshots or see info about what you watch over an HDMI port, that’s of huge value to them over years of time.
I saw a Pixel 10 Pro with 128 GB storage online today.
Kinda crazy (stupid) how people spend that much on a fucking TV.
Comes out to $2,250 USD in China for the 256gb model. $3,500 USD in Malaysia for the 1tb model ($15,000 MYR).
Year 2026, Huawei unveils 4 folds smartphone! You can now watch 4 gooner videos at the SAME TIME! BUT wait there is more if you RESERVE NOW you get a Huawei’s smart watch f2 now has TWO FOLDS! Imagine the possibilities!
Looks stupid, I’d much prefer a more powerful tablet that’s cheaper. Gimmick.
While I get the sentiment, you can’t really fit a tablet in most pockets. While a tri fold phone would fit just fine.
This isn’t for situations where a more powerful device is needed. Power doesn’t matter when watching a video, or reading a book, or scrolling the internet. Sometimes you just need more screen.
I may be an outlier on Lemmy, but I explicitly want a decent trifold device. Specifically for the situations I listed. I’m not looking to use the tablet “mode” for performance hungry tasks, I just want more screen sometimes.
Wasn’t their last folding phone super fragile