Spotube doesn’t actually use the Spotify API. They used to use the Spotify API for their music database, but they stopped when they received a cease and desist.
They’ve updated the app and you can again! You just need to select an external metadata provider. If you use Sonic Liberation, you can log into spotify again just like before. spotube.krtirtho.dev/downloads/
I’m sure that small to medium artists don’t get fleeced by Spotify and get a ton of money from a service that almost everyone in the west is using. /s
Mihies@programming.dev
on 17 Sep 06:14
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I’m sure they are on Spotify (which is shitty anyway) and other streaming services by choice. And if you are against streaming services, feel free to buy their albums.
Some more things I’m sure of include that Spotify exists for the artists and won’t sneakily replace them with Suno-generated shit at first opportunity or fuck with people’s legacy of holy playlists or make the interface more cumbersome to alter users’ habits, or increase the price until the frogs start jumping out. It’s allowed to exists through the graces of biggest publishing conglomerates whose C-suite and shareholders get the lion’s share. Fuck fucking Spotify.
Although better, still very little in comparison to bandcamp
entropicdrift@lemmy.sdf.org
on 17 Sep 15:58
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Sure, that’s true, though if you allow streams on Bandcamp, those pay $0, so in terms of “try before you buy”, any streaming service is better. It’s only if you actually sell an album on band camp (or AmpWall, a smaller indie service that does a lot of the same stuff) that you’d get paid, as an artist.
I say this as a musician who has put out several albums both independently and with a label.
FriskyDingo@sh.itjust.works
on 17 Sep 18:32
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Tidal, Deezer and qobuz pay better and don’t fund Slow Joe
Yeah. Just started my self hosting journey a few months ago, looking to replace Spotify at some point. I got a NAS with Jellyfin set up, my next step is replacing Google photos with Immich probably.
I do appreciate Spotify will be adding lossless music soon, but they have so many other issues.
Is this the onion?
They add the basic feature of a media player where you can listen the title you clicked and not random stuff?
If I understood correctly, this is not a feature, it’s just a restriction being removed
Touché. Gotta admit I didn't think it through properly, there's probably a bunch of other things as well. Point is I think I've provided the music industry with more money than it strictly deserves.
Especially with the price of concerts these days. Jesus.
Be happy it was free and ads could probably be blocked.
Would you appreciate it more if they blocked the view of the library like the videostreamers like Netflix or D+ do?
Idk I haven’t used the free tier of Spotify in a decade. I think add supported listening is enough and all features should be available to the free user except offline listening.
And I think that’s sufficient enough for free.
Though non-random playback is a nice addition :)
parmesancrabs@sh.itjust.works
on 17 Sep 11:15
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I’ve not seen anyone recommend an alternative like Qobuz in these “fuck spotify” discussions - I think it’s a good honest alternative?
Appoxo@lemmy.dbzer0.com
on 17 Sep 11:52
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I recommend <your jellyfin instance>.
Jokes aside, the only reason I use Spotify is for discovery and the vast catalog (primarily the JP music market).
And I havent seen Qobuz be mentioned in any capacity by japanese artists.
parmesancrabs@sh.itjust.works
on 17 Sep 16:33
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Ah this is an interesting point. I think Qoboz are active in expanding their libraries and they do take requests on site.
Do you have any JP recommendations - its not a region I’ve ever really listened to?
I was looking to try Qobuz, but they didn’t like my email domain, so skipped it.
parmesancrabs@sh.itjust.works
on 17 Sep 16:35
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I have a custom domain and they accepted it a couple months ago - maybe give it another shot if it was a while back?
clay_pidgin@sh.itjust.works
on 17 Sep 12:27
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I use Musify on Android. (From the F-Droid store) It pulls the music off of YouTube and works pretty well. Save playlists,download individual songs, it has recommendations but u didn’t know how they work.
Is it better than TIDAL? I’m interested in switching to either of those, perhaps.
parmesancrabs@sh.itjust.works
on 17 Sep 18:45
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I only used Tidal a while back during a free trial, so can’t comment too much. I think Tidal might have more wide spread functuonality adoption than Qoboz - but they do seem to be pushing out updates to meet feature parity.
Qoboz has been great to use though. I actually find I get a wider spectrum of recommendations than Spotify. Spotify seemed to type cast my current listening habits agressively, and it would take a while to break out of that loop each time.
jjjalljs@ttrpg.network
on 17 Sep 12:18
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When I was making money, I’d buy albums from bands I liked. Built up a nice library.
Call me a hardcore Spotify fan boy: I paid for Spotify for 15 years, I loved it, I even applied to worked for them. The product was great and unmatched so as I didn’t care about the problems, so many problems.
things were getting progressively more problematic but in the end, King Gizzard convinced me to quit. I don’t regret it a single minute. Fuck Spotify.
I had an account day 1 when Spotify launched in my country. It was such a big deal to me, a person who spent their teens and 20s hoarding music. One service and it was most of the music I wanted. I could sideload my own music and shuffle it all together.
I miss that little app store on the desktop client. You could join shared radio stations and vote on the next track while people wrote to each other in a chat.
FauxLiving@lemmy.world
on 17 Sep 12:54
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I haven’t used Spotify, until recently, since it was first released. Its big value over Pandora was that it let you choose what to listen to…when did that change?
I’m using spotx on Linux so I don’t get ads, can search individual songs, etc. I thought the free tier was just ad supported, I didn’t realize that they didn’t let you pick what you wanted to listen to.
vrighter@discuss.tchncs.de
on 17 Sep 13:22
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only premium subscribers could pick individual tracks previously
Oh, there’s a Spotx for Windows too. There ya go, anybody using Spotify free who doesn’t want to buy into the tiering enshittification go patch your Spotify client. No ads, pick your own tracks, like Spotify used to be when it was a new and a good value for the service.
I’m just too lazy to find a music private tracker and setup Lidarr, I’ll do that eventually and then just stream through Jellyfin like one of the cool kids.
Qobuz vs TIDAL, go! (Curious to know more, if someone is willing to do a comparison that has experience with both, or either.)
treyf711@eviltoast.org
on 17 Sep 18:41
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I trialed Tidal and thought it was fine. Just Fine. I’m trying Qobuz right now. It seems like all the things I like from Bandcamp but there’s also a paid streaming service. The audio sounds great on Qobuz and I like the option of buying HiRes albums for my local media server. I’m an iOS loser, and they just updated Apple Music with finally some good crossfade. I’m a simpleton and that appeals a lot to me. I can’t find crossfade setting on Qobuz for iOS. I feel like I would pick Qobuz over Tidal just for the ease of downloading my music to my Zune/iPod/subsonic/jellyfin.
Nope. At some point spotify forced FREE users to shuffle play playlists. You couldn’t pick which specific song you’ll hear first. And with ads, obviously.
CmdrShepard49@sh.itjust.works
on 17 Sep 18:48
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Damn, when I joined way back when, you could pick the track you wanted you just couldn’t skip and had to hear ads. Being able to pick a track is the whole reason I moved away from Pandora.
I’ve recently moved away from Spotify and to Pandora, ironically.
Pandora premium let’s you play whichever track you want, they are not longer exclusively stations, but their station algorithm is the reason I decided on them over other spotify alternatives
ThunderQueen@lemmy.world
on 17 Sep 19:49
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I like tidal a lot. They pay their artists the highest percentage last i checked, and they have sound quality as their main selling point. The station algorithm is a little bunk though.
I am slowly rebuilding my mp3 library after switching to streaming 15 years ago when it was the hot new thing. Hopefully i can ditch them all together soon.
weaselsrippedmyflesh@lemmy.pt
on 18 Sep 06:51
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Right now, it’s Qobuz that pays the most, and they also sport lossless audio formats as well. Tidal’s still a good pick, as far as music streamers go, though.
RSS is still going strong. I’m in the process of shifting my screen time from lemmy to RSS. Just articles, no comments. Makes me realize how addicted I’ve been to comment drama, I say as I post a comment.
goodboyjojo@lemmy.world
on 17 Sep 21:27
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Winamp with a cool custom skin and downloaded mp3s was better than Spotify imo.
I know it’s cool to shit on spotify and streaming services on Lemmy, but personally I disagree. I loved Winamp and had tens of thousands of songs back in the day, downloaded on my zippy 56k dial up connection. But being able to search for and play virtually any song available instantly and share collaborative playlists, no matter where you are, is so much better.
lightnsfw@reddthat.com
on 17 Sep 21:35
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Too late, already got sick of their shit and went back to downloading everything myself. I have to have two media player apps on my phone to account for podcasts and music but it’s still better than using spotify. Probably a better way to do that too but haven’t been bothered enough to look into it.
crystalmerchant@lemmy.world
on 17 Sep 21:40
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Wait, free users of Spotify could not pick which track they listen to???
threaded - newest
Or you’ve been using spotube and been doing this all along
Spotube doesn’t actually use the Spotify API. They used to use the Spotify API for their music database, but they stopped when they received a cease and desist.
They’ve updated the app and you can again! You just need to select an external metadata provider. If you use Sonic Liberation, you can log into spotify again just like before. spotube.krtirtho.dev/downloads/
github.com/…/spotube-plugin-spotify
Oh my, things have changed fast. I wasn’t aware there were other metadata providers. There I go spreading misinformation again.
You guys use spotify ?
hell no
Sailing the high seas ,is the way ,yep
No, it’s not. Even more so if you like your artists.
Buy their merch rather than feeding the beast
Even if that was ok, I’m sure people who pirate buy a ton of merch from all the artists they pirate, that’s why all those artists get a ton of money.
I’m sure that small to medium artists don’t get fleeced by Spotify and get a ton of money from a service that almost everyone in the west is using. /s
I’m sure they are on Spotify (which is shitty anyway) and other streaming services by choice. And if you are against streaming services, feel free to buy their albums.
I use bandcamp to throw some cash at them, it’s a fair offer and ok price.
Sure, bandcamp is a very good option to buy albums. But that doesn’t give one the right to pirate.
What if Margaret Mead, at her age, smoked grass
There are bands that I legit can’t buy the MP3s from.
Some more things I’m sure of include that Spotify exists for the artists and won’t sneakily replace them with Suno-generated shit at first opportunity or fuck with people’s legacy of holy playlists or make the interface more cumbersome to alter users’ habits, or increase the price until the frogs start jumping out. It’s allowed to exists through the graces of biggest publishing conglomerates whose C-suite and shareholders get the lion’s share. Fuck fucking Spotify.
It’s probably the most popular music streaming service at the moment.
Sure, for the morally bankrupt
Who is any better? Literally all are paying pennies to the artist per stream.
Some people buy albums
Buying albums is great because you can host them on your own Plex server and use Plexamp.
(or something like Jellyfin, but IMO Plexamp is still the best app available for streaming your own music collection)
Tidal pays more than 3x what Spotify pays. Qobuz pays like 5-6x.
Although better, still very little in comparison to bandcamp
Sure, that’s true, though if you allow streams on Bandcamp, those pay $0, so in terms of “try before you buy”, any streaming service is better. It’s only if you actually sell an album on band camp (or AmpWall, a smaller indie service that does a lot of the same stuff) that you’d get paid, as an artist.
I say this as a musician who has put out several albums both independently and with a label.
Tidal, Deezer and qobuz pay better and don’t fund Slow Joe
Are we talking about theBiden administration?
Tidal doesn’t host far-right mouthpieces, offers much higher quality streams, and pays the artists far, far more per play.
Edit: Here’s a chart from 2022:
<img alt="music streaming chart showing Tidal paying out three times what Spotify does" src="https://sh.itjust.works/pictrs/image/6ef2deb5-9896-43ae-a7d9-db5bf082343b.jpeg">
The chart is neat.
But I could care less about (US) politics while listening to music.
-Sent from my iPhone built with slave labor and suicide nets at foxconn factories
Samsung doesn’t build in China. How do you know he’s not using a Galaxy, or something similar?
Plexamp.
YouTube, but yes it’s insanely popular and an excellent value.
Yeah. Just started my self hosting journey a few months ago, looking to replace Spotify at some point. I got a NAS with Jellyfin set up, my next step is replacing Google photos with Immich probably.
I do appreciate Spotify will be adding lossless music soon, but they have so many other issues.
K. Still waiting on the lossless that supposedly dropped
Keep waiting then lol
Is this the onion? They add the basic feature of a media player where you can listen the title you clicked and not random stuff? If I understood correctly, this is not a feature, it’s just a restriction being removed
The mobile application has always had this restriction for free users (as far as I know), but the desktop application has not.
I don’t think it was always that way but it has been for years now.
Easier to let users play music for free when you don't pay the artists I guess
None of you were. Y’all were stealing it for years.
Lol, I'm a vinyl nerd, I've probably given more money to the music industry than to anything else except food
Rent?
Touché. Gotta admit I didn't think it through properly, there's probably a bunch of other things as well. Point is I think I've provided the music industry with more money than it strictly deserves.
Especially with the price of concerts these days. Jesus.
Talk about projection
That’s why I originally went Google music. I thought Spotify was garbage and didn’t have that shit I wanted, still true today 🤣
I’m glad I avoided the spotify bug ever since I saw it.
Arrrr
wow the music app finally lets users select music! I’m sad that this is actually something to look forward to.
Be happy it was free and ads could probably be blocked.
Would you appreciate it more if they blocked the view of the library like the videostreamers like Netflix or D+ do?
Idk I haven’t used the free tier of Spotify in a decade. I think add supported listening is enough and all features should be available to the free user except offline listening.
And I think that’s sufficient enough for free.
Though non-random playback is a nice addition :)
I’ve not seen anyone recommend an alternative like Qobuz in these “fuck spotify” discussions - I think it’s a good honest alternative?
I recommend <your jellyfin instance>.
Jokes aside, the only reason I use Spotify is for discovery and the vast catalog (primarily the JP music market).
And I havent seen Qobuz be mentioned in any capacity by japanese artists.
Ah this is an interesting point. I think Qoboz are active in expanding their libraries and they do take requests on site. Do you have any JP recommendations - its not a region I’ve ever really listened to?
Japanese are difficult to deal with.
It sure was a process to get them to release on Spotify. Before that they tended to stay on Apple Music.
Examples of artists I liked:
Tokyo Health Club - J-Rap but a bit more lo-fi
-> One of my favs: youtu.be/GSRfeUHZZN8
-> Honorable mention: youtu.be/ErLSUsqERm8
-> Just open any of their songs and listen ;)
-> Same here
-> youtu.be/twUFbqyul_M
-> youtu.be/WGgEFoI9MhE
Thank you! I’m going to have a listen through these this week - you may have just broadened my horizons!
My pleasure :)
I switched to Qobuz, it’s great!
I was looking to try Qobuz, but they didn’t like my email domain, so skipped it.
I have a custom domain and they accepted it a couple months ago - maybe give it another shot if it was a while back?
I use Musify on Android. (From the F-Droid store) It pulls the music off of YouTube and works pretty well. Save playlists,download individual songs, it has recommendations but u didn’t know how they work.
Seen the recommendation plenty of times.
Is it better than TIDAL? I’m interested in switching to either of those, perhaps.
I only used Tidal a while back during a free trial, so can’t comment too much. I think Tidal might have more wide spread functuonality adoption than Qoboz - but they do seem to be pushing out updates to meet feature parity.
Qoboz has been great to use though. I actually find I get a wider spectrum of recommendations than Spotify. Spotify seemed to type cast my current listening habits agressively, and it would take a while to break out of that loop each time.
When I was making money, I’d buy albums from bands I liked. Built up a nice library.
I’d love to buy the entire discographies of all the hundreds of artists I follow on Spotify. 💀 Simply not feasible.
Call me a hardcore Spotify fan boy: I paid for Spotify for 15 years, I loved it, I even applied to worked for them. The product was great and unmatched so as I didn’t care about the problems, so many problems. things were getting progressively more problematic but in the end, King Gizzard convinced me to quit. I don’t regret it a single minute. Fuck Spotify.
I had an account day 1 when Spotify launched in my country. It was such a big deal to me, a person who spent their teens and 20s hoarding music. One service and it was most of the music I wanted. I could sideload my own music and shuffle it all together.
I miss that little app store on the desktop client. You could join shared radio stations and vote on the next track while people wrote to each other in a chat.
I haven’t used Spotify, until recently, since it was first released. Its big value over Pandora was that it let you choose what to listen to…when did that change?
I’m using spotx on Linux so I don’t get ads, can search individual songs, etc. I thought the free tier was just ad supported, I didn’t realize that they didn’t let you pick what you wanted to listen to.
only premium subscribers could pick individual tracks previously
What a ripoff.
Oh, there’s a Spotx for Windows too. There ya go, anybody using Spotify free who doesn’t want to buy into the tiering enshittification go patch your Spotify client. No ads, pick your own tracks, like Spotify used to be when it was a new and a good value for the service.
I’m just too lazy to find a music private tracker and setup Lidarr, I’ll do that eventually and then just stream through Jellyfin like one of the cool kids.
The desktop application (both Windows and Linux) allows free users to pick tracks. The mobile application does not.
Move to Qobuz which is more ethical
Move to Qobuz which is more ethical
Qobuz vs TIDAL, go! (Curious to know more, if someone is willing to do a comparison that has experience with both, or either.)
I trialed Tidal and thought it was fine. Just Fine. I’m trying Qobuz right now. It seems like all the things I like from Bandcamp but there’s also a paid streaming service. The audio sounds great on Qobuz and I like the option of buying HiRes albums for my local media server. I’m an iOS loser, and they just updated Apple Music with finally some good crossfade. I’m a simpleton and that appeals a lot to me. I can’t find crossfade setting on Qobuz for iOS. I feel like I would pick Qobuz over Tidal just for the ease of downloading my music to my Zune/iPod/subsonic/jellyfin.
Easy comparison. Tidal is not ethical. With investors like Black rocks …they’re devil financing wars and genocide.
I’m so confused. Couldn’t you always pick what track you wanted to play?
Nope. At some point spotify forced FREE users to shuffle play playlists. You couldn’t pick which specific song you’ll hear first. And with ads, obviously.
Damn, when I joined way back when, you could pick the track you wanted you just couldn’t skip and had to hear ads. Being able to pick a track is the whole reason I moved away from Pandora.
I’ve recently moved away from Spotify and to Pandora, ironically.
Pandora premium let’s you play whichever track you want, they are not longer exclusively stations, but their station algorithm is the reason I decided on them over other spotify alternatives
I like tidal a lot. They pay their artists the highest percentage last i checked, and they have sound quality as their main selling point. The station algorithm is a little bunk though.
I am slowly rebuilding my mp3 library after switching to streaming 15 years ago when it was the hot new thing. Hopefully i can ditch them all together soon.
Right now, it’s Qobuz that pays the most, and they also sport lossless audio formats as well. Tidal’s still a good pick, as far as music streamers go, though.
Neat, are they available in the US and as affordable as tidal?
pandora was the shit like 10-15 years ago.
me too …
I think it depends on whether you used the web interface or mobile app. Mobile app was more restrictive.
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I love product updates as part of my technology feed…
I miss old technology feeds in the classic internet days. That actually posted and listed out cool stuff with technology
RSS is still going strong. I’m in the process of shifting my screen time from lemmy to RSS. Just articles, no comments. Makes me realize how addicted I’ve been to comment drama, I say as I post a comment.
Winamp with a cool custom skin and downloaded mp3s was better than Spotify imo.
Why would I decide what I like to listen to when am algorithm can do it for me?
I know it’s cool to shit on spotify and streaming services on Lemmy, but personally I disagree. I loved Winamp and had tens of thousands of songs back in the day, downloaded on my zippy 56k dial up connection. But being able to search for and play virtually any song available instantly and share collaborative playlists, no matter where you are, is so much better.
Too late, already got sick of their shit and went back to downloading everything myself. I have to have two media player apps on my phone to account for podcasts and music but it’s still better than using spotify. Probably a better way to do that too but haven’t been bothered enough to look into it.
Wait, free users of Spotify could not pick which track they listen to???
No, you could tap shuffle on an album-by-album basis, or on a Playlist with like 10+ tracks or something.
This is why I never even gave Spotify a chance. It didn’t make sense to me.
I dropped my Spotify account after last price hike.
Spotify is trash anyways.
is spotify being desperate, or there is an ulterior motive?
YouTube Music allows this, maybe they’re losing ad money on the people that weren’t going to get premium anyway.