Lenovo quietly launched the world’s lightest laptop but it won’t sell it outside Asia (www.techradar.com)
from fne8w2ah@lemmy.world to technology@lemmy.world on 20 Aug 2023 07:35
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greyscale@lemmy.sdf.org on 20 Aug 2023 08:10 next collapse

TIL Lenovo is Fujitsu

Aopen@discuss.tchncs.de on 20 Aug 2023 08:18 next collapse

Literally more interesting information in article than laptop itself

greyscale@lemmy.sdf.org on 20 Aug 2023 08:25 next collapse

My favourite bit was where it said its predecessor is infact lighter.

ares35@kbin.social on 20 Aug 2023 08:50 collapse

i did not know that lenovo bought-out fujitsu's pc business, either. apparently it happened about five years ago.

lemann@lemmy.one on 20 Aug 2023 11:03 collapse

That explains why the quality of their LifeBook laptop series deteriorated

IWantToFuckSpez@kbin.social on 20 Aug 2023 09:21 next collapse

More the other way around, Fujitsu is Lenovo. Lenovo owns a controlling stake in Fujitsu. Lenovo is still a Chinese company.

Diplomjodler@feddit.de on 20 Aug 2023 10:09 collapse

Everything is Lenovo these days.

MrNesser@lemmy.world on 20 Aug 2023 08:18 next collapse

Lenovo laptops suck anyway

v81@lemmy.world on 20 Aug 2023 08:40 next collapse

Anything to qualify that statement or just taking a shot? Who offers better value machines than Lenovo?

[deleted] on 20 Aug 2023 09:03 next collapse

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valkyre09@lemmy.world on 20 Aug 2023 09:18 collapse

I bought an ideapad pro 5i 14” a few days ago. I was delighted to see it ran Ubuntu perfectly with no driver issues.

Ironically, the keyboard and trackpad didn’t work in windows until I installed the drivers (made for a more difficult install)

What’s the long term usage like with Mint? Does it have decent battery life?

[deleted] on 20 Aug 2023 10:13 collapse

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MrNesser@lemmy.world on 20 Aug 2023 09:54 next collapse

I’ve worked in IT for over 20 years Lenovo have never released a decent laptop in my experience and opinion.

yoz@aussie.zone on 20 Aug 2023 10:05 next collapse

Thinkpad are one of the finest when it comes to 9-5 jobs

Vlyn@lemmy.zip on 20 Aug 2023 10:20 collapse

I have a Thinkpad T16 Gen 1 (Price around $3000 based on its configuration, like 48 GB RAM) at work and it’s a piece of shit.

For example they fucked up their BIOS, so it sometimes needed 2 minutes to boot. Lenovo admitted they have an issue there… after I messed with some BIOS settings I got it down to 30 seconds at least (but it’s still not great). It also has heat issues and immediately clocks down the Intel 6 core CPU if you do anything demanding (like compiling). And it has a weird tick with the fans, where it sometimes out of nowhere spins the fans up from 0 to 100 for just a second or so. Haven’t been able to fix that one yet.

Overall it’s an okay laptop, but for the price it sucks. The whole company now thinks about switching away from Lenovo after we had other troubles (like the charging port not working for a colleague).

yoz@aussie.zone on 20 Aug 2023 10:42 collapse

Wow! Never heard of such issues. I had a t14, great laptop for the time I spend at that company. Now I am at new place doing 9-5 and they gave me Microsoft surface laptop. Its even worst than lenovo. Overall I hate 9-5 and my life now.

Vlyn@lemmy.zip on 20 Aug 2023 10:46 collapse

Yeah, Surface isn’t really a work laptop. My company is starting to think of switching to Dell (probably won’t be great either).

Overall pretty much all laptops are overpriced pieces of shit. The only good thing is the mobility, but if I actually want performance and a quiet machine, please just give me a desktop. If I needed my computer in a meeting room at the last company I just grabbed the meeting laptop and went remote to my desktop.

yoz@aussie.zone on 20 Aug 2023 11:29 collapse

Framework looks promising. I know a guy who started a company and has 3 employees. He got all of them framework laptops. He mentioned so far no one has complained. I am thinking to work for him instead of some shitty mega corp.

Diplomjodler@feddit.de on 20 Aug 2023 10:09 collapse

So who released a decent laptop in your opinion?

be_excellent_to_each_other@kbin.social on 20 Aug 2023 11:18 collapse

So who released a decent laptop in your opinion?

Considering they led with "Lenovo hasn't released a decent laptop in 20 years", I'm guessing they'll go with HP.

pycorax@lemmy.world on 20 Aug 2023 16:39 collapse

I had a Flex 14 which had a broken keyboard. Sent it for repairs and it came back with the same issue happening a minute after I turned it on. Had a bunch of friends who got a Lenovo gaming laptop that were offered at a deal with our school (was a Y-something I can’t recall). All of them ended up with strange green bands on their screens within 2 years. The whole superfish fiasco basically cemented that they’re not a company I would buy anything from ever again.

I’m currently using a Asus Zephyrus G14 and it’s been practically a flawless experience.

RagingNerdoholic@lemmy.ca on 20 Aug 2023 16:49 next collapse

You have to stay with the X, T or P series to get anything with decent quality. They’ve sullied the ThinkPad brand greatly over the years with the cheapshit variations outside of these series.

v81@lemmy.world on 23 Aug 2023 11:21 collapse

E series at the right price is alright too.

X and T are always nicer, but more expensive.

Really gotta stay away from IdeaPad, they’re the true rubbish.

RagingNerdoholic@lemmy.ca on 23 Aug 2023 11:37 collapse

Nah, there’s no point in a cheap laptop unless you want to repair or replace it after the warranty expires. Too many cheap corner cuts, wears out faster.

v81@lemmy.world on 30 Aug 2023 06:51 collapse

Your reply to me makes no sense?

I condem cheap laptops yet you write as if I didn’t?

terminhell@lemmy.dbzer0.com on 20 Aug 2023 21:50 next collapse

The legion series is terrible. Same for HP omen, and Dell alienware. The OEMs just cut too many corners for “gaming” stuff. I’ve repaired them all. Desktop and laptops, across all these brands.

AnUnusualRelic@lemmy.world on 21 Aug 2023 14:43 collapse

Aren’t most “gaming” laptops quite bad whatever the brand?

terminhell@lemmy.dbzer0.com on 22 Aug 2023 00:18 collapse

Don’t know, I’ve only worked on the 3 brands I listed.

v81@lemmy.world on 23 Aug 2023 11:20 collapse

I’ve had terrible experiences with all brands bar ThinkPad.

ThinkPad specifically too, IdeaPad, and Legion are consumer garbage.

Izzent@lemmy.world on 20 Aug 2023 08:54 next collapse

Are you Murican?

Walk_blesseD@lemmy.blahaj.zone on 20 Aug 2023 08:46 next collapse

Oh god oh fuck you’ll summon the TwinkPad users…

Vlyn@lemmy.zip on 20 Aug 2023 10:22 next collapse

As you’re earning downvotes, let me throw in a +1 here (I also thought Thinkpads are the goat, till I got one):

I have a Thinkpad T16 Gen 1 (Price around $3000 based on its configuration, like 48 GB RAM) at work and it’s a piece of shit.

For example they fucked up their BIOS, so it sometimes needed 2 minutes to boot. Lenovo admitted they have an issue there… after I messed with some BIOS settings I got it down to 30 seconds at least (but it’s still not great). It also has heat issues and immediately clocks down the Intel 6 core CPU if you do anything demanding (like compiling). And it has a weird tick with the fans, where it sometimes out of nowhere spins the fans up from 0 to 100 for just a second or so. Haven’t been able to fix that one yet.

Overall it’s an okay laptop, but for the price it sucks. The whole company now thinks about switching away from Lenovo after we had other troubles (like the charging port not working for a colleague).

silvercove@lemdro.id on 20 Aug 2023 11:17 next collapse

I used thinkpad for years. They are great machines, very reliable.

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pqdinfo@lemmy.world on 20 Aug 2023 15:00 next collapse

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steltek@lemm.ee on 21 Aug 2023 15:05 collapse

Thinkpads always seem to have garbage screens. It felt like they maxed out at 1340x768 res for a long time and even when I last looked a year or two ago, 1080p seemed like the best you can get in most cases.

BeezKnuts@lemmy.world on 21 Aug 2023 17:46 collapse

Every thinkpad released in the last 5 years has had screens with 100% adobe rgb color accuracy. They’re almost all at least brighter than 300 nits. Some brighter than 400. They’re objectively incredible screens. 1366x768 hasn’t been the standard in a long time. 1440p has been an option for a long time too. As far back as the t460 or the first gen x1 carbon like 10 years ago. The last ThinkPad I can see where 1366x768 was even an option was the t490 in 2017. After that they moved onto 16:10 screens and made 1920x1200 the minimum. Hell even 1800p OLED screens have been available in some models for 7 years. The t570 and p50 both have 4k screens and they’ve been available for about 7 years as well.

AnUnusualRelic@lemmy.world on 21 Aug 2023 14:46 collapse

I have a yoga slim pro something or other (amd) that’s been running fine for a bit over a year. It runs Linux, but it’s probably ok under windows as well.

[deleted] on 20 Aug 2023 12:54 next collapse

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skankhunt42@lemmy.ca on 20 Aug 2023 13:07 next collapse

My W530 won’t die. I fucking love that thing. I also have a system76 Oryx and pinebook pro but I find myself using the w530

RagingNerdoholic@lemmy.ca on 20 Aug 2023 13:10 collapse

Same here (W520). I have maxed out everything. 32GB RAM, two SSDs, two external monitors. I will continue using this thing and make it the ThinkPad of Theseus.

Fuck modernity.

fne8w2ah@lemmy.world on 20 Aug 2023 14:40 next collapse

Same with the Superfish spyware.

[deleted] on 20 Aug 2023 15:04 next collapse

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exterstellar@lemmy.world on 20 Aug 2023 15:27 next collapse

Gotta agree with this. I have a big workstation machine at home for work, and a thin & light laptop that does the bare minimum that I use for travel. It’s 2 lbs but still has a dedicated graphics card and good enough to do light CAD work. Everything has a practical purpose, it just depends on your specific needs.

RagingNerdoholic@lemmy.ca on 20 Aug 2023 15:32 next collapse

Doesn’t mean they can’t offer both, and there’s no reason they can’t have status lights, 7-row keyboards, and reasonable port offerings (even if it’s mostly a bunch of USB C ports, which can service just about anything) in a smaller package, it’s that they’re cheap, lazy fucks selling trends instead of utility.

Astroturfed@lemmy.world on 20 Aug 2023 17:38 collapse

Obviously he’s exaggerating. I think most people agree they’d rather have some ports and extended battery life than a half pound lighter laptop.

[deleted] on 20 Aug 2023 18:01 collapse

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exterstellar@lemmy.world on 20 Aug 2023 15:22 next collapse

I’m pretty sure plenty of companies including Lenovo still make chunky workstations, no?

RagingNerdoholic@lemmy.ca on 20 Aug 2023 15:29 collapse

Yes, but we’re talking about laptops.

zefiax@lemmy.world on 20 Aug 2023 16:03 collapse

Laptops are primarily designed with portability in mind. If I wanted a work station I would use one. When you are traveling regularly and carrying a laptop in your backpack, every gram counts.

RagingNerdoholic@lemmy.ca on 20 Aug 2023 16:46 collapse

See:

Doesn’t mean they can’t offer both, and there’s no reason they can’t have status lights, 7-row keyboards, and reasonable port offerings (even if it’s mostly a bunch of USB C ports, which can service just about anything) in a smaller package, it’s that they’re cheap, lazy fucks selling trends instead of utility.

So now you get less and less utility and maintainability for the same or greater price. They spend less on engineering and charge you the same or more for it. Fuck them.

zefiax@lemmy.world on 20 Aug 2023 16:52 collapse

That’s absolutely not true. It is very difficult to develop lighter and thinner laptops. And the main utility of a laptop is for it to meet my needs while being portable. The portability is the main utility. A laptop like this will meet the utility needs for 99% of the population while giving them what they are looking for from a laptop the most, portability.

RagingNerdoholic@lemmy.ca on 20 Aug 2023 18:51 collapse

Bullshit. Even the smallest 12" ThinkPads had all of these things. They were lightweight and compact, and still had 7-row keyboards, a status light for everything, and a plethora of ports.

zefiax@lemmy.world on 21 Aug 2023 13:47 collapse

I would rather have a bigger screen and thinner profile than all that bs. I don’t need all these ports, a few usb-c’s is enough. I don’t need a 7 row keyboard, 6 is enough. And I am probably a more technical user than the vast majority of people so the vast majority of people need even less. What they want is something that is super light, big screen, looks sleek, and good enough to browse the web and maybe make a powerpoint presentation once in a while. You need to realize your use case is an extremely tiny market segment and in most cases, people with your use case realize they should be using a work station to begin with.

RagingNerdoholic@lemmy.ca on 21 Aug 2023 16:05 collapse

I don’t need a 7 row keyboard, 6 is enough

I don’t care about the number of rows, specifically, it’s the particular layout that 7-row keyboards have. The point of a 7-row keyboard is having the text nav keys arranged the same as a desktop keyboard, like so:

<img alt="image" src="https://i.imgur.com/LIWcGSE.jpg">

Versus this clusterfuck:

<img alt="image" src="https://i.imgur.com/HEEnWtp.jpg">

I use those nav keys constantly and completely by feel. The very specific placement they have on a 7-row is critical to productivity without having to constantly fuck around with the mouse/trackpoint/trackpad. 6-row keyboards are dogshit.

zefiax@lemmy.world on 21 Aug 2023 17:34 collapse

I am aware what a 7 row keyboard is. My point is the vast majority of consumers don’t use or care for such a feature, especially if it means they get a slighter thinner, lighter, sleeker laptop.

RagingNerdoholic@lemmy.ca on 21 Aug 2023 17:51 collapse

Have you met the vast majority of consumers? They’re dipshits.

zefiax@lemmy.world on 24 Aug 2023 12:58 collapse

In your opinion. Secondly if the vast majority of consumers were chimps, then we would market what appeals to chimps. I don’t see how pointing out that the vast majority of consumers are dipshits changes anything. Companies will still market to the people who buy their products. Not super niche use cases.

Ghostalmedia@lemmy.world on 20 Aug 2023 17:22 next collapse

To be fair, even Apple is done with this stuff. Now that Ive is gone, and they seem to be listening to customers, they’re actually putting reasonable I/O on laptops again.

ikidd@lemmy.world on 20 Aug 2023 18:25 next collapse

Framework.

s_s@lemmy.one on 20 Aug 2023 18:36 collapse

Made of Unobtainium.

ikidd@lemmy.world on 20 Aug 2023 18:45 collapse

Are there supply issues? IDK, I haven’t looked into getting one, but there’s a number of people that have received theirs and have commented on them, good and bad.

s_s@lemmy.one on 20 Aug 2023 21:36 collapse

They’re only available for pre-order, they ship in 3-6 months.

dmm@lemmy.world on 20 Aug 2023 18:51 collapse

I will use my T470 until I die, because I doubt it will die before me

milicent_bystandr@lemm.ee on 20 Aug 2023 22:04 next collapse

Ever since the scandal where they changed the root certificate to enable inserting ads into Https - and worse still, IIRC made them the same (?) meaning anyone who figured it out could intercept any other affected-laptop-user’s Https - I’ve felt some caution about Lenovo laptops.

[deleted] on 21 Aug 2023 01:19 next collapse

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Exec@pawb.social on 21 Aug 2023 06:45 collapse

That was over 8 years ago. Along with Sony’s (Music division only) CD rootkit scandal was over 18 years ago now that people often like to bring up.

milicent_bystandr@lemm.ee on 21 Aug 2023 11:34 next collapse

8 years seems a short time to go, “eh, I guess they won’t do it again”

So does 18 years, for that matter, but I suppose more people have changed at the company in that time. I haven’t heard about the CD rootkit scandal; what was that?!

Virulent@reddthat.com on 21 Aug 2023 15:25 collapse

Sony’s music CDs would install a rootkit so the music couldn’t be copied

milicent_bystandr@lemm.ee on 21 Aug 2023 17:16 collapse

Wow, that’s awful!

paraphrand@lemmy.world on 22 Aug 2023 21:56 collapse

Microsoft’s anti-trust situation was nearly 22 years ago.

[deleted] on 20 Aug 2023 23:51 next collapse

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HidingCat@kbin.social on 21 Aug 2023 04:02 next collapse

Well damn, thanks for highlighting this. Didn't even know they're still making stuff, and Fujitsu has the cheaper FMV MH for under US$1k running Ryzen CPUs too!

lud@lemm.ee on 21 Aug 2023 14:23 collapse

Didn’t even know they’re still making stuff,

Lenovo?

Iirc they are the biggest laptop manufacturer in the world.

HidingCat@kbin.social on 22 Aug 2023 00:54 collapse

Fujitsu.

Voli@lemmy.ml on 21 Aug 2023 14:29 next collapse

Guess they aren’t selling it outside of Asia cause of some consumer laws we have.

just_another_person@lemmy.world on 21 Aug 2023 14:56 next collapse

They do this when there are obvious product flaws. Nothing to see here.

BeezKnuts@lemmy.world on 21 Aug 2023 17:35 next collapse

Lenovo keeps doing this. I’m still upset we didn’t get the y700.

Smeagol666@lemm.ee on 21 Aug 2023 18:58 next collapse

I used to work at Lenovo’s fulfillment center through a temp company. The organization of the place (or lack thereof) is a complete clusterfuck. At the time I worked there, something like 5 to 10% of their inventory was “lost”, as in, it was somewhere in the building, but no one could find it since it’s location is no longer in the system.

monk@lemmy.unboiled.info on 24 May 2024 06:36 collapse

world’s lightest laptop

Mine’s 750g