YouTube is now fully blocking ad blockers around the world
(9to5google.com)
from ijeff@lemdro.id to technology@lemmy.world on 31 Oct 2023 21:37
https://lemdro.id/post/2788364
from ijeff@lemdro.id to technology@lemmy.world on 31 Oct 2023 21:37
https://lemdro.id/post/2788364
cross-posted from: lemdro.id/post/2787773 (!google@lemdro.id)
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Never seen that banner or an ad. I guess it’s just a matter of time though 😕
uBlock Origin is reliably blocking the blocker blocker for me at this time, though a few popups got through a couple weeks ago.
Same, uBlock in Firefox is doing it 100% for me. Haven’t even seen a youtube ad or a complaint that I should stop blocking ads.
Well if you are using Firefox, you obviously life the easy life. But what about the Edge or Chrome users here? Habe some respect for those poor guys.
They suffer voluntarily simply by choosing not to switch their browsers to non-chromium.
Yeah, that suffering is self inflicted if we’re talking about home users. In an enterprise environment you might need to convince your admin to add Firefox to the company portal.
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Same, it's a cat and mouse battle .. lol
I feel sorry for Chrome/Chromium users who can’t even use real ad-blockers because Google is scared of uBlock Origin and deprecated MV2
I don’t. Most of them have the ability to use something else and have chosen not to.
That’s another way to see it.
Yo dawg, I heard you like blockers
Brave is dropping the ball. It’s the only mobile option.
I use Firefox with uBlock Origin on Android. Isn’t there the same for iOS?
iOS web browsers are forced to use the safari/WebKit engine, so you don’t get Firefox extensions, sadly.
The main benefits of using Firefox on iOS is if you prefer it’s interface or want to sync with desktop Firefox (which is why I use it).
Hyperweb might work though.
Brave for iOS (sorry firefox gang I appreciate you guys) is working fine for me. I had some issues with both Firefox/uB and Brave on windows getting the pop-ups.
I got the pop up a couple of times until I manually updated uBlock’s filters list. After that, no issues.
This will definetly be a shot in the foot for Google, the beginning of YouTube’s downfall
Only cloud hosting providers can provide hosting for themselves as cheaply as google. Microsoft and Amazon (except through prime video and twitch) have shown no interest in entering the fray. The downfall will only come through antitrust.
Finally some fucking space for competitors
I hope PeerTube gets better
Please yes, it needs a lot of better.
Federation will be the only real option considering the massive storage and bandwidth requirements. Even then, once an instance starts to grow, they’ll have to come up with some type of monetization strategy.
Even a low population instance will likely need many terabytes of storage.
I don't see how federation makes economic sense for video serving/hosting. To do it economicaly you need to have local data centers with peering agreements with local ISPs and good deals for transit. Only big data companies (Google) and huge or specialized self hosts(daily motion, Facebook), can really do it.
Reddit and Vimeo were stupid for hosting video on cloud services for that reason. Reddit wouldn't have been in such an economic crunch if they weren't burning money by serving video on the cloud.
I suspect in the long run it will be doable due to advancements in bandwidth, computing power, disk space and compression efficiency but it’s probably more than a decade away.
And even then it might be the case that it’s only viable to do 1080p while the big guns can do 8k at 120fps.
The downfall of YouTube is creators being paid more for their work?
Yes, these companies work exactly like that
That is exactly how YouTube works: support.google.com/youtube/answer/72902?hl=en
They don’t. In fact they get demonitised more and more easily for completely bullshit reasons. The majority of youtubers get paid through Patreon and in video sponsorship rather than from youtube itself.
Love the Ficsit mug in the photo 😆
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Intrusive and sneaky ads like the ones on YouTube should be heavily regulated if not illegal.
Edit: especially ads louder than the average content volume, repetitive jingles designed to get stuck in your head, billboards, and ads thrown in the middle of the video you’re watching
Sounds like you haven’t watched a lot of free to air tv haha
I can honestly say, apart from seeing it on on the background when visiting parents or similar, that I haven’t watched free to air TV in maybe 15 years. Been streaming or downloading all that time.
I hardly watch it either. Just found it funny all the complaints above could be applied to what free to air tv has been doing for decades.
Agree with you completely.
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Yet they still get around it through sound mixing. Any regulations against using jingles or having ads interrupt what you’re watching?
Luckily all that is prosecutable by Ofcom here so it very rarely happens.
Free to air is heavily regulated in my country if it had a fraction of the fraudulent grifter ads Google would be shut down
Ads in those are also regulated in civilised countries.
“Loud” is unfortunately hard to quantify. There’s a lot of psychoacoustics that mean that the number of decidels really doesn’t tell you what’s loud and what’s not.
This is a great demo of how sounds can appear extremely loud without actually being physically very loud: youtu.be/tONF9OSUOSw?t=7m16s
Anyway the point is that it’s hard to make rules about this kind of thing, because sound is subjective and there are ways to circumvent any restrictions you make.
Here is an alternative Piped link(s):
https://piped.video/tONF9OSUOSw?t=7m16s
Piped is a privacy-respecting open-source alternative frontend to YouTube.
I’m open-source; check me out at GitHub.
LUFS
Here is an alternative Piped link(s):
LUFS
Piped is a privacy-respecting open-source alternative frontend to YouTube.
I’m open-source; check me out at GitHub.
Can no one do anything about these annoying bots?
Thought this would be Tom Scott. I was not disappointed.
Googles ad platform is utterly full of fraudulent scams and grifters. Bring on regulations and HEAVY fines for Google making profit of fraud and crimes.
Well uh… Whatever they’re doing ain’t working for me, because I’m yet to see one of these popups.
Weird. Mine works just fine on YouTube.
I guess that’s why the modded YouTube app on my webOS TV stopped working today.
Some solutions:
…google.com/…/gbghmolkliahkeekflofoaiofibligjf could help as well.
Just use a proper ad-blocker like uBlock Origin in combination with a browser like Firefox or LibreWolf that supports proper ad-blocking extension. Fuck this Chromium garbage that deprecated MV2 because Google is scared of adblockers. Don’t support Google’s monopoly on browser rendering engines and use Firefox or something even better like LibreWolf.
Did you read what the addon is about? It’s not an adblocker but is to be used in conjunction with one. All it does is circumventing the adblockerblocker. It specifically recommends being used together with uBlock.
Btw, I use FF with uBlock. But I am not everyone, so when I stumbled across this, I thought it might be helpful for some people.
And I found it ironic, that Googles own extension store contains an extension that circumvents the YouTube adblockerblocker.
I know, but uBlock has built in circumvention features, and you can add custom blocking rules or filterlists to uBO without having to install an additional extension. If the addon becomes outdated, it might start interfering with uBlock Origin. It’s best not to combine uBO with any other ad-blocking addons and just use the existing mechanisms like custom rules and filterlists to extend uBO if needed. The uBO team is constantly working on ensuring that the built in circumvention mechanism works, most of the time, the only thing a user needs to do is clear the cache and update the filterlists.
It will probably be taken down soon lol
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Thank you so much for sharing Yattee and the guide.
Where is YouTube ReVanced?
Not mentioned, on purpose 🤫
I think people are fully misunderstanding this comment
Oh I guess I could see the other side.
I meant we don’t talk about revanced club
ReVanced is definitely worth mentioning, but I’m here to tell you that GrayJay is better.
GrayJay is a YouTube/Twitch/anything update away from breaking.
How is that different from any of these other apps? It’s being actively developed so any update breaking can be patched.
Lol so is ReVanced my dude
ReVanced doesn’t use the YouTube app/website, it modifies the YouTube apk into a completely different thing. The only thing that can break ReVanced is server side changes from YouTube.
And does something make you think that Google isn’t capable of doing exactly that?
They’re updating server-side rules constantly. And EVERY app update is also accompanied by a server-side update, even if it’s small.
Ah but there’s the catch, ReVanced just depends on server side YouTube changes.
Meanwhile, GrayJay depends on app-side & server side YouTube, Twitch, etc etc.
Lol no, ReVanced also depends on app side changes, they could harden the YouTube app and make it more difficult to modify. The only upside is that it would take several months for those changes to actually start affecting users, when the old versions of YouTube are phased out.
OR, they could just block ReVanced on the server side and ban everyone that uses it, if they wanted to
Don’t be naive and think that Google can’t easily block ReVanced. They just haven’t tried to yet. They’re one of the biggest companies in the world, if they gave a shit it would be gone overnight, just like Vanced was.
For iOS I really like Vinegar.
Currently not working, but Firefox Focus is!
A fix for Vinegar is on the way.
Tangential question - what is stopping youtube from restricting access to their API for 3rd party apps like Reddit did?
SSSSSSHHHH
Remember people start logging out for these services. Any day they could decided to start terminating accounts if this whole anti Adblocking campaign doesn’t get subscriber numbers up
Sideload uYouPlusExtra on iOS
github.com/arichorn/uYouPlusExtra
I am aware of this option, but sideloading on iOS currently kinda sucks. You have to use AltStore which sometimes goes unmaintained for a few months, even when it’s maintained it’s kinda buggy and the Windows version almost never works for me. It’s also not available for Linux. And you have to connect your phone to a computer running AltStore every 7 days, otherwise the app will stop functioning. It’s just not a great solution and especially bad for less tech-savvy users.
You don’t have to use AltStore. I re-sign the IPA myself and install with Apple Configurator
But you still have to do it once a week, right?
If you don’t have a paid developer license yeah. But I do so I don’t have do deal with that.
I’m definitely not gonna pay Apple money to use my device that I already paid way too much money for the way I want to. But I just switched to Android (GrapheneOS to be percise) and now I don’t have to deal with any of this BS anymore.
Can't say I've seen anything yet, just hope my ad-blocker holds steady
merde ._.
Scheisse
govna
Firefox + uBlock Origin here still holding strong.
LibreWolf (Fork of Firefox without the crap like Pocket or Sponsored sites) is great too. It also comes preinstalled with uBlock Origin. It’s what I recommend to everyone.
I'd rather not personally. I can just disable all that anyway.
LibreWolf also makes significant privacy and security improvements by applying certain settings from Arkenfox user.js and from the Tor Browser. Sure, I can debloat and harden Firefox myself, but all of that is already done on LibreWolf, so that’s what I recommend to new users, as they like to stick to the default settings.
Yeah its fair enough, but it's easier to just use FF for me, I don't care if they want some anonymous usage statistics and trying to be fully private online is a fools errand. Base FF is good enough imo.
It’s not just Mozilla telemetry that LibreWolf protects you against, it also prevents random websites from fingerprinting you and the preinstalled uBlock Origin blocks trackers and all of that shit
I’m also on Librewolf, but most people are not all that tech-savvy, so basic Firefox is better for them just because it has auto-update.
It’s also not that difficult to configure hardened Firefox. It takes a minute or two and there are plenty of written and video guides that’ll have even the least tech savvy people up and running quickly. The tech literacy required to reasonably protect your privacy isn’t very high anymore. The biggest hurdle is getting people to care about their privacy in the first place.
Librewolf is a wonderful project but not something I recommend very often in my personal life, if only because most people just don’t need or want that level of protection at the expense of convenience.
Where does LibreWolf compromise on privacy or security?
You can also use the Firefox profile maker which is basically lets you create a new Firefox profile with the features and hardening you want. The website: ffprofile.com
I keep forgetting that Windows doesn’t have a proper package manager. From a software architecture point of view, an application shouldn’t be responsible for updates, this should be handled by the operating system or a specific component of it, the package manager (which Windows doesn’t have, at least not by default).
I still haven’t run into any issues with this setup.
I’ll just use an ad blocker-blocker
uBlock Origin has that feature built in
That is what google uses, after all they attempt to block your adblocker. You would need an ad blocker-blocker-blocker.
No problems using Firefox (as always)
Such as?
Sorry I meant to say: No problems using Firefox. :D
lol, good luck with that Google
No, it doesn’t. I have neither seen a block, nor have I seen ads. Is that a Windows-only problem then?
Question. Wouldn’t the catch-all solution for YT is to pair the AJAX calls for the video with a “view video key”, and that key to be found out after running a deeply obviouscated javascript served with the html of the “view video” page?
They could even bundle some of the key-building-js with the ad being served.
At some point in order to “block the ad” , the ad blocker would have to run or analyze tons of JS code , making the ordeal to difficult to compute.
My guess is they can’t afford the complication on the server side.
They could probably force the ad to be decoded by asking the client for proof. They couldn’t prove that it was actually shown to the user though.
What I don’t understand is why they don’t block downloading the video during the period where an ad is supposed to be playing.
I think that is actually what they’ve already been doing for at least a decade?
Whenever you download a youtube video using something other than a js-enabled browser, then I think something like yt-dlp’s jsinterp.py needs to evaluate some javascript to extract the key.
Did someone forget to purge their uBlock caches?
Exactly. Takes five seconds.
I'm not having YT problems but have never done this.
Could someone explain how?
Open the uBlock Dashboard, then in the Filter Lists tab click the Purge All Caches button (then the Update now button)
For quicker syncing, you can:
Open uBlock Settings -> click Filter Lists tab -> type “quick” into search box -> click clock icon for “uBlock filters – Quick fixes” -> click “Update Now” button up top
That will only clear the cache for the fixes that actually counter the youtube countermeasures. Helpful if it takes a long time to download and refresh when all of the caches are invalidated.
Switched to FreeTube. Problem solved.
I don’t get it, I use a variety of browsers and apps, with or without VPN. I even scrape channel RSS from the same IP and have never seen this.
You didn’t state if you use an adblock extension, which is what this is all about.
Using some sort of ad-blocking is default. I haven’t seen more than the occasional ad before the filters update for more than a decade and a half.
I have not changed anything about my browsing habits and I spend like 12 hours a day on YT, haven't yet seen this. Not very universal.
3 similar but different questions:
Pc, usa, chrome
PC (ubuntu) and Android both w/ FF & uB. Have yet to see this in Canada.
But it does typically take Google a little while to remember that we’re part of the world…
My phone, my partner's phone, home pc, my partner's home pc, work pc, laptop, tv. Canada.
I get there’s a heap of people on here who’ve somehow never seen these new anti-popup measures before, but they’re definitely becoming more prevalent.
I switched to uBlock and purged the caches and it seems to have fixed the issue (for now anyway)
At some point I’ll have to find a more permanent solution like switching browsers but right now things are working
Use clients such as LibreTube. It works great and even allows skipping sponsored content.
Do this daily.
I only had to do it once. Haven’t seen the pop up since.
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No. There are dozens of us! Dozens!
never seen the youtube anti-adblock stuff.
Mullvad vpn + mullvad browser + ublock origin + never logging into google…
Also freetube, also newpipe…
Maybe they don’t bother trying to block vpn users?
from what I’ve read incognito mode is still unaffected, but thats just rumors online
I use a VPN, and I saw the popup.
a more permanent solution would be using an alternative front end like piped. there are a lot of public instances available
But it’s difficult to trust Piped and other 3rd parties with your login credentials. Especially for people who make a living on YouTube. Even if they themselves might be trustworthy, they can’t be perfectly secure, so it becomes added vulnerability.
wait what? piped doesn’t use your login in any way tho? you manually import subscriptions from Google checkout and you create a piped specific login for syncing that across devices. at no point will piped ever ask for your Google account
Ah, cool then.
I saw them, then I purged ublocks cache and updated and they have been gone ever since (also on firefox, because I switched as soon as I read the news that they would pull this stunt on all chromium browsers a year ago).
If you have a VPN just set your location to a place they don’t run ads
I’m self hosting an invidious instance and not once have I noticed any interruptions. 10/10 just use a public invidious instance and be done with it
No, they most certainly are not.
Shhhhh. Don’t tell anyone the way.
Be brave, tell everyone
Is there a fediverse alternative to youtube?
Peertube.
Doesn’t seems like it’s allowing me to create an account sadly
Try creating an account on another instance, because fediverse?
I installed an invidious extension on firefox that auto redirects all youtube links. I recommend it.
Libredirect + Piped server = better youtube than youtube ever was.
And I just followed instructions on this page
github.com/uBlockOrigin/uAssets/issues/19976
And it fixed it
Ublock Origin on firefox still work for me no filter
Firefox with Adblocker Ultimate working fine for me as of last night. I’ll check again tonight.
They blocked me with that combo on my PC a week ago.
A bit unrelated, but do you know if there is a hardened firefox for linux (just like Mull for Android)?
I use a betterfox userscript for hardening Linux Firefox
Will look into it, thanks!
LibreWolf is a hardened Firefox also available on Linux.
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Librewolf is one that might work for you
It’s pretty random whether you get the message or not. Some of my friends, including me, straight up cannot watch youtube on their website half of the time anymore, because it full blocks us. It’s not just an annoying message, videos actually just don’t play. But I only get it on some days. I think the message only pops up if you’ve been watching for more than like an hour straight. Then again, some of my friends have never seen the message. Who knows. Just more weird big tech server bullshit. Like how twitter’s api works 15% of the time (for me).
Purge cache and refresh does the trick if you have problems with the firefox+ublock combination. Or you have some other active extensions which prevents ublock from doing its thing.
Been watching for 3h straight and still no pop or problem with videos but when time eventually come I’ll try to setup UBO filter or using 3rd party frontend
I’m daily using uBlock Origin (with Firefox) on Windows, and ReVanced on Android, and have experienced zero indications that Google is at war with ad blockers. These two are fucking fantastic and highly recommended. I don’t expect it to last forever, but bravo to these devs and contributors.
still using revanced on android and it’s fine
My original install of Vanced is still working!
why the fuck do they call it that it makes no sense and I can never remember what its name is
if you downvote this you’re a pussy
AdVANCED YouTube with the ad(vertisments) removed
I think the name is stupid too but I downvoted your comment because I’m clearly a pussy
or at least they try to :P
If the platform wasn’t starting to die before…
Youtube wont die anytime soon
For non-Premium users.
Google is keeping their services free for long enough, so people start believing it’s supposed to be like that. At the same moment they keep paying for their music streaming, cloud storage and the rest…
It’s not free. They take your data while alsp giving you ads. A quick Google suggests they have about 280 billion in annual revenue. Which part of that is free?
This data is translated into money through the ads, and people are trying to block it aggressively. Which part of that is not free?
280 it’s not from YouTube, but the entire corp, right?
Also revenue is not the profit. The cost for maintaining video streaming is enormous, especially if this size. Only traffic itself can easily eat half of YouTube’s revenue.
PS Don’t get me wrong, I think Google is a typical corp with no feelings. But I’m surprised how people not complain about Spotify, Tidal, DropBox, etc…
Nope. Non-premium here, and my ublock still works perfectly fine.
I was just using Chrome with ublock origin at work and didn’t see jack shit.
**as best as they can
was patchy 2 weeks ago but havnt had an issue in over a week now. we are winning so far
there was an attempt
Monopolistic and some shit
The entire internet nowadays is either monopolized or close to it. I miss the days of many servers hosting indie websites, as opposed to one or two companies per niche.
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I’d never heard of the latter two. Thank you!
How do we know WireMin is trustworthy?
Fully, you say?
Oh, guess not.
Yeah yt-dlp has been my strat this whole time anyway. Also Piped and Invidious get the job done when i’m too lazy to type in one short command for every video I watch.
Also, specifying format with yt-dlp is unnecessary (“-f 22”) if you have ffmpeg installed iirc because it automatically selects the highest quality, thus shortening the command even further.
I use -f 22 to set a lower quality actually, because most videos on youtube are needlessly larger than my 5K monitor.
Higher resolution videos actually have better bitrates on youtube. Like if you select 4k even if your monitor is just 1080p, the video will look much better.
The video stutters for me if I do that
All the more reason just to use yt-dlp. I know it takes a tiny bit of time to set up, but it’s well worth it. I’m able to download 20-minute videos that would have otherwise buffered in less than a minute. I can simultaneously queue up a bunch of videos, and watch them with zero stuttering.
You can also put “alias y=yt-dlp” in your ~/.bashrc to minimize it to “y”. Or set up a keyboard shortcut to a script that executes the command with your clipboard content.
Or do the same with “mpv” instead of “yt-dlp” to watch the video stream directly without downloading.
I got fed up with this shit and invested a bit of time into getting a working Premium Family plan through a cheap country (Ukraine is about $4 per month). I invited my whole family (parents included) so essentially 6 people have an ad-free YouTube now for less than $1 each (per month). I assume that’s still less than what they have gotten by serving us a shit ton of ads. And I am rid of that cat and mouse game for a while.
How would I go about doing the same?
I guess they made an account via VPN?
VPN to the country of your choice, then hit the sign up page for the service your interested in.
As others said: VPN. Ukraine seems to work good currently, since the Credit Card address isn’t validated. Cheaper countries like India or Turkey now check if the CC you use is from that country. That is a bit more complicated to pull off, so that wasn’t worth it for me.
Love how Lemmy downvotes anyone who pays for anything. Such a great place for discussion! Definitely no echo chamber here.
For the service they offer (the hosting basically) I am actually willing to pay quite a bit. But what they typically ask for (about €15 for a single account) that’s just not worth it, given that YouTube isn’t the producer of the content they serve. Music might be a bit more complicated thanks to the fucking idiotic way how licensing around that works. Anyway: nothing of that excuses the excessive use of ads they serve nowadays.
Should we start legitimizing garbage?
Having a discussion about paying for things isn’t garbage. You’re just poor and salty.
Lol
Go back to your broken Linux and PeerTube lmao
If you consider YouTube as garbage, then it would be a no-brainer to just stop using it, instead of complaining about ads, right? And no, I couldn’t care less. I use YT maybe twice per year. It could go offline tomorros, as far as I am concerned.
Apparently everything in your world is black or white
Simple coherence.
No they don’t.
Haven’t seen an anti-adblock message yet, and I block ads in all sorts of ways across my devices.
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Also in Europe.
Me still haven’t seen that shit, but my cousin does. Weird
Same, but I think it has to do with uBlock Origin updating. Nothing on my PC but saw it on a laptop.
A quick cookie purge and updating uBO and it was solved.
Vanilla Brave blocks ads and doesn’t show the blocker. Ublock & Better YouTube will cause it to trigger. Tampermonkey script prevents the blocker from appearing after disabling/enabling Ublock for a video or two.
Fuck YouTube and Google. They make enough money selling my data.
Edit: Okay I get it guys, Brave bad
Ublock doesn’t trigger it. Better YouTube does. Remove it and you’re golden.
Brave is commercial grade malware. How anyone can willingly install that on their system and then complain about google selling data is beyond me. At this point, Firefox is without alternatives.
Explain?
Just brainwashed Mozilla shills spreading FUD. Nothing unusual.
Where to start…
www.spacebar.news/p/stop-using-brave-browser
The article is not neutral in its phrasing, but the content is correct. You’ll find other sources if you look around.
Ublock was triggering mine, odd that it doesn’t trigger for others
And I’ve been using only newpipe and freetube since this all started. Good riddance to bad rubbish.
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ReVanced still works fine, grayjay also works.
Grayjay has been really nice! Enjoying it so far.
Same. A couple little bugs but overall a great concept, hopefully more future proof than the Vanced apps
This was annoying me in browsers so i did a bit of reading and found out that not only can I remove their ad block blocker in browser, but my TVs also support ad free YouTube. Thanks Google! Couldn’t have done it without you.
Can you point me to ad free tv please
Do you have a LG TV? If not I can’t help you
I do, and I’d like a push in the right direction.
I got you chief: github.com/webosbrew/dev-manager-desktop
Cheers, will have to check this out when I get home.
No worries, happy to help troubleshoot if you need anything
I do! Whats the process?
See my other comment in this chain!
Get any stick that runs android tv or fire TV and install
freetubenextsmarttubenext. Ads gone.I guess you’re thinking of SmartTube, formerly known as SmartTubeNext?
Yup. Let me correct that. Freetube is a PC app that I have installed on my Linux machine. Lol Thank you for the correction :)
Get any stick that runs android tv or fire TV and install freetubenext. Ads gone.
SmartTube (formerly SmartTubeNext).
This TV app is the best ! I love it !
Any idea is there anything similar available on LG webOS?
Maybe YouTube WebOS ? It has adblock and sponsorblock supports as well. It can be installed from webos homebrew channel. Check www.webosbrew.org to get started.
I’ll look forward to reading this yet again next week, alongside all the entitlement in the comments section that seem to think running YouTube is free and recommending trash alternatives which have less than 1% of YouTube’s content and don’t even work.
See you next week!
Not so sugary tits today huh? More like sour.
Oh look! This shit again. Lemmy is becoming more repetitive than 4chan
See you again next week, fren.
Su pasta es mi pasta, I’m using that from now on
If you do that you’re stealing their labor
I sure am a rascal
I’m willing to engage this discussion with you :).
I don’t believe i’m entitled to any labor for free, but i do oppose the mechanic of huge corporations starting with good & free services, and when they then become a monopoly, suddenly i’m “entitled and want labor for free and an idiot” when i don’t agree with all the enshittification, money grabbing, privacy violations, and everything else they think they can get away with.
If you start a service with a certain premise (it being free, little ads, …), and then once you’re a monopoly and want some extra money start changing all that, while making sure any competition has as little chance as possible to challenge you… yeah, good luck with that XD.
And i’ll make a predition, give it 5 years at most before game passes go through this phase. Currently all the gamers are “wow, these are such good value”, once it gives the publishers enough of an excuse to stop allowing you to buy them, watch the same fragmentation & raised prices, enshittification, possibly even advertising getting added to it once you’re stuck using such a system.
I don’t believe i’m “entitled”, but i won’t support such tactics & monopoly abuse. They came to power by pretending to be a free site to share videos on, and they’ll die that way as far as i’m concerned. Good riddance.
Thank you for calling this aspect out. I’m surprised so many people are overlooking it. I protest YouTube for the same reasons, but I’ve got one more to add.
When they merged Google Music into YouTube, the service became worse. I’d often have music streaming throughout the day over my speakers, but that broke after the merge.
Anytime I watched a video on my phone that had Content ID-recognized music in it (even in the background), they would cut the stream to my speakers because I am only allowed one stream with any music in it at all.
This isn’t the behavior when you use the ad supported service. Only the paid.
Not to mention all the proper features of Google Music that didn’t carry forward.
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> try to do meme arrows
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Jej
It’s mostly that the multi billion dollar profit organisation didn’t need to do this. Where does that money go? Even though it’s over the back of the labour and time of both the content creators and people watching.
Google is doing 60 billion dollar profit fine. Thanks. And not paying proper tax either, lol. It’s pure extraction of labour value.
Get mad at that.
You mean people shouldn’t chase that sweet, sweet fake internet score?
It isn’t blocking my uBlock Origin on Firefox.
Or mine on Vivaldi. It was showing me the notice the other week, but seems to have stopped now. Either they are now time limiting youtube before the ad blocking thing comes back, or uBlock upped the ante.
Your uBlock probably updated. uBlock has pretty much been able to successfully block YouTube’s adblocker block since YouTube started blocking adblockers, so long as you kept the filters updated.
It does on mine, sometimes, so I clear cache, update uBlock, restart Firefox. In general it blocks them again
Yeah, all Google accomplished with this bullshit was finally getting me to switch from Chrome to Firefox as my main browser on desktop.
Pretty much, also encouraged me to download uBlock, and now I see how many items it blocks from pages like YouTube. Spoiler: It’s a lot.
Right?
I have two tabs open…one is a site that is overtly and actively promoting products to me, with literal links to retailers where I can buy the stuff they’re promoting…the other is YouTube.
The promotional site’s uBlock counter is at 4.
YouTube’s is at…139.
Leave that YouTube tab open open for a day and see how many thousands of items uBlock has blocked.
I see absolutely insane numbers on Google docs, 10000+ blocked. My total per year is now over 5 million. A lot more intense than a few years ago, where it took multiple years to reach 3 million.
Wow I haven’t even looked for all time blocks! I’ll have to look…
Holy shit, I have multiple tabs open and have only been using Firefox as my default browser for about
1.53-months (August 9th). Each YouTube tab has over 10k blocks and lifetime blocks since installation is over 4.1 million!Edit: found the document I made in Obsidian to plan my move from Brave to Firefox and the created data is August 9th.
Yup, I left youtube up on my laptop all day today and this is ublocks total. It’s fucking crazy that some people don’t bother with adblockers
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Use grayjay.app
EDIT: I’m fascinated by the childishness of those who are complaining about the $10. Not only you don’t have to pay it, and not only that it’s open source, and not only the intentions are clear on why it’s not a permissive license made to fight filling average Joe with malware like always being done with NewPipe and others on Play Store, but also you can pick your poison. Would you like google to win this dumb war on ad blockers? Or would you like to support non-perfect people making FOSS apps for your benefit? I really don’t get you, guys. Pick your battles! Take the win and shut up for once!
…If you have Android and $10 to throw at the problem.
For the record, payment is optional.
Theres also NewPipe its free and open source
Absolutely good suggestion. Please check this out. Louis Rossman has a really in depth video with more information about the app on his channel
Proprietary garbage
It is at least source available. I prefer they didn’t use the license they’re using but it’s there right to do so.
For mobile it’s between using revanced, Grayjay or brave. At the moment I’m willing to use any one of the three that works on a given day.
On Android there’s also NewPipe and LibreTube
They are all welcome.
However, almost all these guys are using the same libraries under the hood. When Google breaks one you’re probably going to break most of them leaving us all scrambling to find the next way.
I see there’s a lot of negativity around GrayJay and their licensing and I don’t disagree; but there’s a battle going on here It’s Google against the world. Having private paid entities working on this alongside the FOSS efforts is definitely not a bad thing. The fact that they’re running source available means that other people can look at what they’re doing even if they can’t use their code directly.
They can use the code directly. The license allows “review, compilation and non-commercial distribution”.
It doesn’t explicitly allow modification, but they do define “code” as “the code and any part of it and any derivative of it”, so clearly derivatives are expected.
You “can” use the code directly.
But if you don’t you’re not bound by their license and can foss your work.
This must be the worst recommendation I’ve seen here
Nooo. YouTube thinks it’s fully blocking ad blockers. In reality nothing’s changed.
It made an attempt for sure, a cute one at that 🤣
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Good try Youtube 👍🏼
Do you REALLY think that Google is not able to block you altogether, if they really wanted to? The have permabanned entire companies and all the personal account of employees before for a misstep of one of these employees. It’s just a matter of time.
“If they really wanted to?”, they already tried and ublock published a filter to block it back.
TBH. I don’t think Google is using all of their firepower, yet.
That could be true. But if they decide to do that, they are gonna need to invest a lot, and if they success they are gonna lose a lot of viewers. Because for the mayority of the people, when you are use to ads-free, going back to ads its wonna be very difficult.
Firefox nightly working lime a charm. I would rather download any video I want to see than using the shitty native app.
Three one minute adds was enough for me.
UK Firefox user here… All good
Nope … at least not mine (adblock+)
Google chrome U block user here. Still works fine
No problems here whatsoever, I don’t know what everybody is talking about. Remember to donate some bucks to your favorite open source adblock (or piping app), thank you.
UBlock doesn’t accept donations.
github.com/…/Why-don't-you-accept-donations%3F
I would otherwise.
EU based Firefox + uBlock Origin user here. All very good :)
Canada based same, is this only happening on Chrome or something?
Exact opposite here, no issues on chrome, blocked on Firefox.
Weird, I haven’t even gotten a warning yet.
I wish I could donate to ublock origin so badly. I never even saw the popup.
I didn’t know they don’t accept donations: github.com/…/Why-don't-you-accept-donations%3F
They make some interesting points, though.
As asked by uBo’s creator: please donate to the list maintainers instead.
What a solid guy.
I haven’t seen an ad on YouTube in several years. Doubt I’ll ever see one.
… yes. I know because you’ve told me 25 times in the last week.
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Ya know, I’ve seen a lot of posts regarding Elon Musk spam in this community, and calls to “ban” them, yet every week we get gloom and doom posts like this when some new subset of the world starts seeing this shit. I’d really like to see a pinned message about the fix, which is…
If you visit YouTube and see the pop-up, the page isn’t loading the video content, or it just seems to be acting strange, do the following:
I literally have no other installed add-ons for ad blocking, anymore. Only uBlock Origin. Any time I see the message or YouTube starts acting up, I just repeat those 7 steps above for any YouTube tab that was already open, and viola, the video plays. It has simplified so many issues for me and reduced the number of adblock extensions I need to run.
I definitely plan on donating this holiday season to their team, probably the biggest share of the pie between the FOSS apps I enjoy and appreciate. Should uBlock Origin ever fail, I’ll just stop going to YouTube.
Apparently you can’t donate to them.
github.com/…/Why-don't-you-accept-donations%3F
Weird. One way or another, they’re gonna get my money!! How dare they make a great tool for free, and accept nothing for their time and contributions!! The nerve of some devs, I tell ya! /s
Take it to the list maintainers <3
Or do what uBO’s creator suggests: donate to the silent Chads maintaining the lists uBo depends on.
I don’t currently have the money for donations, but this would be important information that should be spread around more
Straight from their GitHub Readme: github.com/gorhill/uBlock/blob/master/README.md#a….
The element picker and disable JS button are also a life saver. Gets around so many shitty things about the modern web. The one thing I agree with from Brave (Firefox all the way though) is including uBlock by default (I just wish they gave credit).
Yeah they really are. I use to use firefox but now I use a modafied version called librewolf. It comes with ublock by default
Why not LibreWolf, a privacy oriented browser that ships with the real uBlock Origin? ;)
And using Firefox or its derivates supports the Internet. Chromium’s near-monopoly only helps Google dictate web standards.
wdym with the rral ublock origin? 👀👀
Because Brave ships with a very limited ad blocker that is not uBlock Origin
Or just live with a couple five second ads, it’s not the end of the world. At the end of the day, YouTube is a business, not a charity.
Until yesterday I was blocked from youtube, despite using UBO. Today it works. I don’t know if it is random or if UBO does something. Possibly it will stop working again. In any case I started using piped (hope they don’t decide to do something with it).
UBO updates their filters when they can, as they find and fix changes.
Youtube directly responds to those patches by updating their system. Last I checked, they do this twice a day.
Any time your UBO isnt stopping youtube, you are using filters from before youtubes last update. Opening your UBO settings, clearing and updating your filters, and refreshing your browser fixes this.
The only time it doesnt is if UBO hasnt patched youtubes most recent changes. This window of time is teeeny tiny.
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It has? 🤔
Just checked for myself and I’m not getting any popups, but perhaps it just hasn’t quite hit my region yet?
Maybe you’re like me and are already blocking the popups, too.
Grayjay is the best all in all app for Android and Invidious Cross Platform. It syncs everything.
I just use the Vivaldi Browser and watch all my YouTube in browser. shrug
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Nerds rejoice, we will never be defeated
They could put the ads in the data stream instead of implementing it client-side. But that is likely prohibitively expensive or cuts their ability to target ads.
The ReVanced app still works just fine.
not blocking ads, scripts. ctrl-shift-c
Not on my PC
Let the blocking war commence. Beligerents are referred to as Blockheads.
'tis?
Definitely not blocking here… but… I have to ask. Which takes precedence, YouTube’s T&C’s or EU law?
Obviously, the law beats any T&C.
No change for me, youtube sure is trying but ublock origin keeps fighting the good fight
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Gotta love those guys
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Is it just me or is WireMin closed source?
In addition, the app contains Google tracker (This is what App Manager shows).
It’s not the first time I’ve seen this app recommended in Lemmy and I don’t understand why.
I think there are a lot of similar apps in Google Play.
Upd: I checked Damus. Contains 24 trackers. 😂
Yeah, they haven’t published the source code yet. I asked the WireMin team, and it seems they are a small team still finalizing the code. What is the App Manager called tho?
f-droid.org/…/io.github.muntashirakon.AppManager/
When I read that someone is planning to open their code, I remember the news about the releases of the Sailfish operating system: “The operating system is partially open source, but the layer for running Android apps is proprietary. However, the code of this layer was planned to be made open in 2017”
Planning doesn’t mean doing.
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I only use Firefox for youtube and nothing else… it still just works the same as ever - the only ads I see are the ones the creators make themselves for sponsors. I only use Chromium-based browsers for anything that has nothing to do with google…
Try Sponsorblck. It can block sponsors, and a couple of other things. You can also set a skip button for specific segments and skip them if you want. Users like you can mark sponsor and other segments for others to be able to skip.
Nope. FF with UBO still works perfectly.
Ssh! Yes, me too, but don’t let YouTube know that.
Oh! Yeah! I can’t watch videos without tons of adverts every 15 nanoseconds!!
👀 I see that Satisfactory coffee cup
with FF and ublock i can watch yt as always. Never got the poup. But as of today, the youtube page is just blank. I can search and watch anything, but the start-page is blank. (no account)
I’m getting the pop-up, which I can click to close and watch videos on my FF + Ublock.<img alt="" src="https://lemmy.world/pictrs/image/f803f1ee-d09d-4408-a4e6-77936455d8de.jpeg">
Clear you cache on UBlock Origin
Clear you cache on UBlock Origin
I did purge my cache on Ublock, not working for me.
Then try ro disable all other extensions that manipulate Youtube that could cause the Message to still appear.
Uninstalled FF and reinstalled, that worked. Interestingly I do not have this issue on my dualboot Ubuntu FF.
No issues with revanced
Same here
Maybe we need to lock off discussions about this from public view, lest they figure a way around it.
You think they don’t have spies?
I recon at least 1 of the users here relays information to them, or even IS working for them.
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Meanwhile here I am with a YouTube premium account that they don’t charge me for
Back when YouTube red/premium came out. I was big into vulnerability/pen testing, and I used several scripts and spoofing techniques to try to get it for free. I failed and failed and failed. But then after I had given up. I decided to just watch some YouTube videos, and realized it said I had premium. And then I checked on the YouTube app, I had premium there too.
Years and years have gone by. I still have YouTube red/premium for free. They have never charged me. And I even had support transfer the YouTube red/premium to a new email at one point. Not ONE question. It says active and a price. But, I’m never charged. And the card that is on file, isn’t even active anymore and hasn’t been for about 2 years.
My theory is, one or several of my attempts combined with each other to get it for free. Glitched their system somehow or straight up allowed me to have it for free. But in terms of what I did. Whatever I did, I did everything again recently for my boyfriend, all the failed methods, everything again like I did for me. In the same exact order. Same error messages, same failed connection messages, same everything I went through. Didn’t have hope for him, but. He goes on YouTube later that night, and has premium.
This got downvoted because two people were salty. This means, my comment literally made two people (at the time of writing) so upset that I have it and they don’t. Wake up people, why do you let people you don’t even know upset you? Especially when it doesn’t effect you.
A lot of people here hate brave but so far I’ve been able to block YouTube ads with brave with no issue whatsoever.
Incognito mode is your friend. On Firefox anyway.
Google is such a douchy company now.