I love IA, but everything I’ve read about this case makes it sound like they are in the wrong here. The law is pretty clear on how lending books is supposed to work, they were fully aware of that because they used to follow the law, and then at some point they randomly decided to ignore the law.
I really hope they aren’t choosing this hill to die on. It would be a huge loss for humanity if they collapsed.
WhatAmLemmy@lemmy.world
on 17 Jun 23:05
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It sounds like they were unnecessarily courting legal trouble with how they digitised and released records during the pandemic, but why are they wrong here?
PM_Your_Nudes_Please@lemmy.world
on 20 Jun 23:17
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Because their entire argument thus far has basically been “but we’re a library.” But that completely misses the point that even libraries need to comply with licensing laws. Even with ebooks, they can’t just lend an unlimited number of copies. They have licensing agreements with the publishers, to be able to lend [x] copies of [y] book at a time.
They purchase digital licenses to be able to lend those books, and they can only lend as many licenses as they own. Just like physical books. They need to use time-gated DRM to automatically revoke access whenever the rental time is up.
And at first, that’s exactly what IA did. But they decided to disable that DRM, and just start lending unlimited copies to people instead, which flies in the face of established copyright law.
Imgonnatrythis@sh.itjust.works
on 17 Jun 23:12
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Can you eli10 why their method violates the law? Seeing a one sided view from their pov does not reveal this.
I’m mostly just parroting what others have said, I’m not a lawyer. But my understanding is that online book lending is supposed to be limited to a discrete number of lendees at a time, just like the books at a physical library. IA knew this and yet decided to remove restrictions so that more people could borrow books than they were allowed to lend out at once.
Imgonnatrythis@sh.itjust.works
on 18 Jun 02:02
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In the article it said they were lending to one user at a time though which seems reasonable. You are saying they didn’t actually do this and that is the reason they are in hot water? So they are basically just denying that they did this?
Again, mostly just parroting what I’ve seen others say, but my understanding is that they relaxed the restriction around when COVID started, though in the eyes of the law that’s not really a good reason to break that particular rule.
I respect the scepticism though, definitely take everything I’m saying with a huge grain of salt.
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I love IA, but everything I’ve read about this case makes it sound like they are in the wrong here. The law is pretty clear on how lending books is supposed to work, they were fully aware of that because they used to follow the law, and then at some point they randomly decided to ignore the law.
I really hope they aren’t choosing this hill to die on. It would be a huge loss for humanity if they collapsed.
This is the first I’ve heard of pending boos. Did you mean lending books?
Lol yeah, my phone’s swipe typing did it to me. That’s what I get for not reading my stuff before hitting post.
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Mending booze?
Sending shoes?
It sounds like they were unnecessarily courting legal trouble with how they digitised and released records during the pandemic, but why are they wrong here?
Because their entire argument thus far has basically been “but we’re a library.” But that completely misses the point that even libraries need to comply with licensing laws. Even with ebooks, they can’t just lend an unlimited number of copies. They have licensing agreements with the publishers, to be able to lend [x] copies of [y] book at a time.
They purchase digital licenses to be able to lend those books, and they can only lend as many licenses as they own. Just like physical books. They need to use time-gated DRM to automatically revoke access whenever the rental time is up.
And at first, that’s exactly what IA did. But they decided to disable that DRM, and just start lending unlimited copies to people instead, which flies in the face of established copyright law.
Can you eli10 why their method violates the law? Seeing a one sided view from their pov does not reveal this.
I’m mostly just parroting what others have said, I’m not a lawyer. But my understanding is that online book lending is supposed to be limited to a discrete number of lendees at a time, just like the books at a physical library. IA knew this and yet decided to remove restrictions so that more people could borrow books than they were allowed to lend out at once.
In the article it said they were lending to one user at a time though which seems reasonable. You are saying they didn’t actually do this and that is the reason they are in hot water? So they are basically just denying that they did this?
I’d like to see evidence of what the original poster on this thread says before trusting what they are saying. I haven’t seen this be the case at all.
“We purchase and acquire books—yes, physical, paper books—and make them available for one person at a time to check out and read online”
Again, mostly just parroting what I’ve seen others say, but my understanding is that they relaxed the restriction around when COVID started, though in the eyes of the law that’s not really a good reason to break that particular rule.
I respect the scepticism though, definitely take everything I’m saying with a huge grain of salt.
The term you’re looking for is National Emergency Library.