Telegram Profitable for First Time After App Pays Down Debts (www.bnnbloomberg.ca)
from Joker@sh.itjust.works to technology@lemmy.world on 23 Dec 16:32
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demesisx@infosec.pub on 23 Dec 18:07 next collapse

“Trust me bro” style hand-rolled encryption.

akkajdh999@programming.dev on 23 Dec 18:24 next collapse

Backdoored non-e2e encryption

lepinkainen@lemmy.world on 23 Dec 19:18 next collapse

I exclusively use it for public chats, like I did IRC.

Neither had any encryption and I have no issue with it.

pgetsos@fedia.io on 23 Dec 20:55 next collapse

The encryption is not Trust me bro. It is public and tested multiple times. For example an analysis back in 2021:

https://mtpsym.github.io/

It found somes issues in the implementation of MTProto 2.0 from the official apps, with only one of them being actually usable as an attack vector, and they were all fixed before the disclosure of the analysis. They found no issues with the encryption algorithm other than some choices that may make the implementation of it harder

rikudou@lemmings.world on 24 Dec 01:49 collapse

The encryption that only works in one-on-one chats? The encryption that’s multiple menus deep in said one-on-one chats? The encryption that no one uses because of the issues above?

ouch@lemmy.world on 23 Dec 21:33 collapse

What encryption? There is no E2EE by default. It’s all plaintext.

blackfire@lemmy.world on 23 Dec 18:24 next collapse

This is kind of good news it means there is still a major alt to WhatsApp. Still my second to last app but it does have a lot of linux groups on there

Speculater@lemmy.world on 23 Dec 19:02 collapse

Isn’t WhatsApp 100% backdoored for the US and Telegram for Russia? I thought Signal was the only reliable app?

Khanzarate@lemmy.world on 23 Dec 19:34 next collapse

Yes but that doesn’t mean they’re not important in ensuring there isn’t a messaging monopoly.

Obviously in an ideal world we’d have multiple interconnected secure apps with some cross-platform interoperability, but until then I’ll settle for one government/corporation not having all of everyone’s private conversations.

accideath@lemmy.world on 23 Dec 19:36 next collapse

If Telegram is backdoored, not for Russia. While the founder and owner is Russian, him and the company left Russia in 2014 when they didn’t want to comply with their regime (I think. Don’t remember the details). The company is based in Dubai since 2017.

SMillerNL@lemmy.world on 23 Dec 19:56 next collapse

The people with the most to lose think it is: reuters.com/…/ukraine-bans-official-use-telegram-…

accideath@lemmy.world on 23 Dec 23:02 collapse

Well, to be fair, better safe than sorry.

akkajdh999@programming.dev on 24 Dec 00:01 collapse

Why is Telegram the only messenger that is not banned in Russia? Signal, Matrix, SimpleX, WhatsApp, Viber, everything, are all banned, but not Telegram

Neon@lemmy.world on 23 Dec 20:30 collapse

Telegram is 100% backdoored

Whatsapp only the backups (although I think they stopped?) and Metadata (with whom you chat, when you chat, but not the exact words you chat) are backdoored.

Signal is the only major app tht’s not backdoores

Zacryon@feddit.org on 23 Dec 23:47 collapse

Telegram is 100% backdoored

What makes you so sure?

rikudou@lemmings.world on 24 Dec 01:47 collapse

  • it doesn’t have end-to-end encryption
  • Russia wants the data
hsdkfr734r@feddit.nl on 23 Dec 20:15 next collapse

The app is free. What do they sell?

Jiggs@lemm.ee on 23 Dec 20:26 next collapse

There is some premium version iirc. Bigger files can be sent, custom emojis, that sort of things

hsdkfr734r@feddit.nl on 23 Dec 20:57 collapse

Ah. They are profitable through premium accounts? Impressive.

MangoPenguin@lemmy.blahaj.zone on 23 Dec 20:29 next collapse

Premium upgrade version.

pgetsos@fedia.io on 23 Dec 20:59 next collapse

Along with the premium version, they have a crypto currency (TON) that can be used to buy things on the platform from other users, and I think you can also buy things with real money and they keep a small commission. Also there are some small ads in very large channels (not groups, channels only) and ways to gift "stars" to other people, like Patreon or sth

hsdkfr734r@feddit.nl on 23 Dec 21:01 collapse

Thanks. That makes sense to me.

ouch@lemmy.world on 23 Dec 21:32 next collapse

Telegram always seemed a bit sus to me. I have hard time trusting that they don’t sell all that non-encrypted data somewhere.

GhiLA@sh.itjust.works on 24 Dec 01:37 collapse

It’s the backend for web3 scams.

All of memecoin shittery happens on telegram.

prex@aussie.zone on 23 Dec 23:39 collapse

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