X is about to start hiding all likes (www.theverge.com)
from jeffw@lemmy.world to technology@lemmy.world on 12 Jun 01:44
https://lemmy.world/post/16436017

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autotldr@lemmings.world on 12 Jun 01:45 next collapse

This is the best summary I could come up with:


That means what users like on the platform will be hidden by default, which is already an option for X’s Premium subscribers.

Following the publication of this story, X owner Elon Musk reshared a screenshot of it, saying it’s “important to allow people to like posts without getting attacked for doing so!”

A few weeks ago, X’s director of engineering, Haofei Wang, said the upcoming change is meant to protect users’ public image — because “many people feel discouraged” to like “edgy” content.

Late last year, Musk told the platform’s engineers that he wanted to get rid of the tweet action buttons altogether and instead place a stronger emphasis on post views (also called “impressions”).

“Social media in general is shifting away from like counts, so this makes sense,” the source said.

Update, June 11th: Added Elon Musk’s confirmation of The Verge’s reporting.


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WatDabney@sopuli.xyz on 12 Jun 01:55 next collapse

Just another step toward making used-to-be-Twitter a safe space for cowardly fascists.

cerement@slrpnk.net on 12 Jun 01:57 next collapse

can’t have conservative snowflakes getting triggered

WatDabney@sopuli.xyz on 12 Jun 02:27 collapse

In all seriousness, I sort of pity conservatives.

They’re sort of like the one kid in kindergarten who could never manage to figure out which plastic peg went in which hole and would just get frustrated and throw things. Except that they never grew out of it. Here they are, twenty or thirty or sixty years later, still unable to grasp the simple fact that the world just is what it is and the round peg isn’t going to go in the square hole no matter how much you pound on it, and still angry over it, as if it’s some sort of vast conspiracy rather than just the fact that they’re fucking morons.

That has to be an unpleasant way to live.

Of course, they’re such vile and loathsome and destructive assholes that my pity is short-lived, but still…

remotelove@lemmy.ca on 12 Jun 02:47 next collapse

would just get frustrated and throw things.

Yeah. Most conservatives I know have short tempers and they get extremely carried away when they are in groups. I mean, it doesn’t matter what they are getting mad at, just as long as everyone is getting pissed off at the same time and about someone else or some other ideology. The key point is they believe they are victims of “the system” or “libruls” and not their own bad choices.

It’s very similar to how Putin is constantly crying about how Russia is a victim of NATO aggression, actually.

Just tell a person that their way of life is being attacked and that you have all the solutions.(Simplified Hermann Goering quote. Allegedly.)

iltoroargento@lemmy.sdf.org on 12 Jun 04:07 next collapse

This is one of the more eloquent definitions I’ve seen of conservatives. It’s exactly how I see them operate.

The fucked up thing is that a lot of the younger ones I’ve seen recently have that knowledge that their destructive worldviews are messed up, but continue with it out of trauma or some kind of sadism.

I’d guess that many of the older ones have doubled down on that so many times, they can’t remember it ever being a decision or up for internal debate. So, they just keep digging their hateful holes in the sand, ready to plunge their heads in any time they hear something that upsets their delicate, irrational, fantasies.

popekingjoe@lemmy.world on 12 Jun 06:12 collapse

I think you mean the square peg in the round hole my friend.

SnotFlickerman@lemmy.blahaj.zone on 12 Jun 07:18 next collapse

No, everything goes in the square hole.

PipedLinkBot@feddit.rocks on 12 Jun 07:19 next collapse

Here is an alternative Piped link(s):

No, everything goes in the square hole.

Piped is a privacy-respecting open-source alternative frontend to YouTube.

I’m open-source; check me out at GitHub.

gravitas_deficiency@sh.itjust.works on 12 Jun 15:14 collapse

that’s right - the square hole!

psyche visibly crumbling

WatDabney@sopuli.xyz on 12 Jun 14:37 collapse

Well damn.

No - I very deliberately used round peg in the square hole, initially just to avoid the cliche, but the more I thought about it, the more I liked it.

Conservatives pound on round/natural/organic/smooth pegs to try to force them into square/artificial/contrived/rigid holes.

I liked it anyway…

CaptainSpaceman@lemmy.world on 12 Jun 04:14 collapse

They’re going the YT route, where the algorithm is in much higher control

shartworx@sh.itjust.works on 12 Jun 02:40 next collapse

Imagine being a twitter user.

kitnaht@lemmy.world on 12 Jun 04:17 collapse

“But muh family and fwiends use it!” or “I have an autistic cousin twice removed so I can’t stop because it’s the only thing he’ll use!”

Any excuse to keep huffing that copium.

moistclump@lemmy.world on 12 Jun 21:04 next collapse

I’m not on social media except Lemmy but… I thought Facebook was the “my relatives” one and Twitter was more keeping up with politicians, celebrities, and other public figures?

petrol_sniff_king@lemmy.blahaj.zone on 13 Jun 02:50 collapse

This is literally what these walled gardens depend on. Why are mocking people for it?

Just change cities, “but my friends live here.”

Just leave the cult, “but the cult separated me from all my other friends.”

Like, yeah. Cult’s do this on purpose to keep people locked in.

partial_accumen@lemmy.world on 12 Jun 03:19 next collapse

Following the publication of this story, X owner Elon Musk reshared a screenshot of it, saying it’s “important to allow people to like posts without getting attacked for doing so!”

“We’ve listened to our users who’ve voice concerns about being labeled ‘racist piece of shit’ merely for supporting tweets that suggest that other races are less human than white people. Today we’re doubling down on our own brand of ‘freedom of speech’ to mean ‘freedom from consequences’. From today forward, twitter users will be safe and comfortable voicing their (anonymous) support for the most disgusting racist, homophobic, or misogynistic tweets imaginable.” -Twitter PR probably

Lost_My_Mind@lemmy.world on 12 Jun 03:38 next collapse

No no no. It’s not like that! Twitter doesn’t have a PR team. They were fired 2 years ago. Along with tech support. Plus twitter doesn’t exist. Only X which continues to bring the worst ideas forward to make the world full of shit.

elvith@discuss.tchncs.de on 12 Jun 05:33 collapse

“💩” - Twitter actually, when requested to comment

GardenVarietyAnxiety@lemmy.world on 12 Jun 03:41 next collapse

A few weeks ago, X’s director of engineering, Haofei Wang, said the upcoming change is meant to protect users’ public image — because “many people feel discouraged” to like “edgy” content.

Oh my god, he’s trying to make it Reddit.

Samsy@lemmy.ml on 12 Jun 04:08 next collapse

Every time I think wtf is he doing, I remember about this theory he is destroying twitter on purpose, because it was a network with to much influence for example the arab spring.

Traister101@lemmy.today on 12 Jun 05:52 next collapse

Every time I hear somebody mention that theory I remember that most people believe Elon isn’t a massive moron

Samsy@lemmy.ml on 12 Jun 07:37 collapse

No no, I believe he is a massive moron, with or without this theory. Because doing this on purpose, doesn’t make it better.

Zerfallen@lemmy.world on 12 Jun 10:54 collapse

This reminded me of the Jar Jar Binks is a Sith lord theory

Samsy@lemmy.ml on 12 Jun 15:23 collapse

Jar Jar was one day in the senate and his first move was everything palpatine wants. He is a sneaky sith overlord.

Scio@lemmy.world on 12 Jun 04:15 next collapse

That’s such a good photo. And by good I mean Trump-tier

billiam0202@lemmy.world on 12 Jun 04:33 next collapse

Following the publication of this story, X owner Elon Musk reshared a screenshot of it, saying it’s “important to allow people to like posts without getting attacked for doing so!”

Thin-skinned Nazis don’t like being called Nazis for liking other Nazi content.

A few weeks ago, X’s director of engineering, Haofei Wang, said the upcoming change is meant to protect users’ public image — because “many people feel discouraged” to like “edgy” content.

That’s the fucking point, Wang. Nazis should be discouraged from liking other Nazi content. Society shouldn’t tolerate bigots, much less embolden them- the way you and your boss want to do.

tal@lemmy.today on 12 Jun 05:37 next collapse

This seems like an odd medium to make that complaint in; while technically lemmy exposes upvotes to other instances, so it’s not really private, the client doesn’t, by default, permit upvotes to be seen.

Kbin/mbin does expose upvotes; here’s the upvotes on this post, for example:

BlueEther@no.lastname.nz on 12 Jun 08:06 next collapse

Um lemmy exposes it as well, at least for admins

<img alt="" src="https://no.lastname.nz/pictrs/image/4f74c6b0-8f5d-4e15-aa90-f270f36cc928.png">

AlligatorBlizzard@sh.itjust.works on 12 Jun 08:54 next collapse

Look at all the lurkers, lol.

I’ve always been curious about who is downvoting my stuff, I know on Reddit I’d occasionally get someone butthurt about my existing on the internet and they’d just go downvote all of my recent posts and comments.

BlueEther@no.lastname.nz on 12 Jun 09:45 next collapse

i’ve seen it here as well, just not very often

umbrella@lemmy.ml on 12 Jun 12:46 collapse

i will upvote all your recent posts out of spite

SorteKanin@feddit.dk on 13 Jun 11:34 collapse

It is only for admins and mods. Tbh I think it should just be allowed for anyone to see.

billiam0202@lemmy.world on 12 Jun 14:21 collapse

Yes, and… ?

You don’t eliminate bigoted and hateful ideology by allowing it to fester in the dark. It must be exposed for all to see.

These two assholes have succinctly summed up the problem: assholes advocating for a white Christofascist ethnostate are emboldened by the lack of consequences that anonymity provides. Musk doesn’t want freedom of speech, he wants freedom from accountability of speech.

Monomate@lemm.ee on 12 Jun 05:52 collapse

When cancel culture was not on full throttle, maybe likes being public made more sense. If only the global like count is the more widely known metric, hiding who liked what is not too significant of a change. It’s not something totally out of the ordinary either, considering most contries’ electoral systems guarantee the individual votes are kept secret.

trashgirlfriend@lemmy.world on 12 Jun 06:40 next collapse

This guys post history is a hoot

SweatyFireBalls@lemmy.world on 12 Jun 07:23 next collapse

They have some greatest hits too, like repeating that higher education tends to come with a left leaning bias. I don’t think they realize why there is a correlation between education and those politics, but it certainly isn’t what they think it is.

squirrel@lemmy.blahaj.zone on 12 Jun 12:48 collapse

No, you see it’s not like education makes you see past your own prejudices and that makes you more liberal. If you are liberal you get awarded an education by the shadowy cabal that controls the education system with DEI measures! This guy only wants a tRuE mERiToCrACy where disenfranchised, downtrodden bigots get a chance to attend university where they are taught about the superiority of their white Aryan race.

/s if it isn’t apparent.

barsquid@lemmy.world on 12 Jun 12:01 next collapse

Help! Universities are silencing regressives!

Monomate@lemm.ee on 12 Jun 14:53 collapse

If you disagree, you’re free to offer your counter-arguments.

billiam0202@lemmy.world on 13 Jun 13:41 collapse

Regressives should be silenced. Anyone who says “We need to return to a time when X” really just means “I don’t like that my race/gender/nation/sexual preference/religion doesn’t have as much control as it used to”.

Monomate@lemm.ee on 12 Jun 14:51 collapse

You have just proved right there why current internet users in general don’t have the maturity to have likes publicly visible. The urge to do a witch hunt is just too irresistible.

trashgirlfriend@lemmy.world on 12 Jun 15:00 next collapse

I think people with ridiculous views should not have an issue with being ridiculed for those views.

It really feels like you’re the immature bunch, trying to hide who you are because you’re too fragile to own up to it if it’s being scrutinized.

Monomate@lemm.ee on 12 Jun 15:26 collapse

I think people with ridiculous views should not have an issue with being ridiculed for those views.

You’re under no obligation to agree with another person point of view. But, if you’re presenting your arguments in good faith, you should be prepared to listen to the person you disagree with in good faith also. If you immediately disregard what others have to say just because you think it’s “too ridiculous to consider”, or throw the ad hominem starter pack: bigot, nazi, far-right, trumper, etc, then you’re just insulating yourself in a bubble in the best case scenario, or showing you don’t have the capability to articulate your argument effectively in the worst case scenario.

It really feels like you’re the immature bunch, trying to hide who you are because you’re too fragile to own up to it if it’s being scrutinized.

It’s not a matter of trying to hide anything for the sake of it. It’s just that some people use the free availability of a user’s previous posts/likes as a shortcut for “whataboutisms”. You may disagree with other posts I made, but what is being discussed here is the reasonableness of individual “likes” being public or not.

I think the crude scrutiny of a persons past posts to be, in many cases, dishonored. The person being scrutinized may have changed their views since then, specially when the post is years-old.

trashgirlfriend@lemmy.world on 12 Jun 15:48 collapse

As much as I have no obligation to agree with another person’s views, I also have no obligation to argue about them.

There’s clearly views in this world that can be pretty much dismissed outright, if you disagree you’re free to go to a flat earther forum to debate them out of it.

The only reason Musk wants to hide likes is because he agrees with a bunch of really shitty and messed up positions, and he wants to not be responsible for it.

If you like a post saying “I believe that the jews did 9/11” I think it’s fair for someone to look at it and go “Hey that’s obviously fake, really dumb, and kinda hilarious that you’re this stupid.”

Fedizen@lemmy.world on 12 Jun 15:12 collapse

Witch hunts were sanctioned by the state in many cases. Getting shamed for having shitty opinions is like the barest minimum accountability.

Monomate@lemm.ee on 12 Jun 15:30 collapse

I’m not saying it’s a literal witch hunt. Never heard of metaphors and figures of speech?

And just shouting “your opinions suck!” and running away is hardly productive to a healthy discussion. If you have any counter-arguments to the topic at hand (the individual “likes” being hidden on Twitter/X), feel free to present them.

Hadriscus@lemm.ee on 12 Jun 14:52 collapse

Cancel culture does not exist any more than the ethics of the IDF

AlligatorBlizzard@sh.itjust.works on 12 Jun 04:35 next collapse

Wasn’t the first indication of JK Rowling being a TERF a Tweet she liked?

Monomate@lemm.ee on 12 Jun 05:55 next collapse

She said she regrets not having publicized her opinions on this subject earlier, so if her likes wouldn’t have exposed her, her subsequent retweets certainly would.

VirtualOdour@sh.itjust.works on 12 Jun 15:33 collapse

The first time she got internet backlash was when the rape crisis center she was funding wanted to be a safe space where women with extreme trauma would be away from the source of their trauma i.e. humans with penises.

Restricting access by sex rather than gender was seen as deeply offensive and she got a lot of hate, death threats and etc which resulted in her getting in arguments that pushed her into becoming ever more outspoken.

AdrianTheFrog@lemmy.world on 12 Jun 04:53 next collapse

is there any other social platform that hasn’t always done this?

jeffw@lemmy.world on 12 Jun 05:01 collapse

What platforms hide your likes?

AdrianTheFrog@lemmy.world on 12 Jun 05:05 collapse

lemmy, reddit, youtube

honey_im_meat_grinding@lemmy.blahaj.zone on 12 Jun 07:00 collapse

Lemmy technically doesn’t hide your likes - the interface might not show you, but all your likes are public in the Fediverse. Kbin, when I used it, would show which users upvoted/downvoted a post. That’s important because it means researchers and OSI people can still do fact finding - Twitter doesn’t like the idea of having to be open even if it’s a requirement (albeit to researchers specifically) in the EU now.

ShittyBeatlesFCPres@lemmy.world on 12 Jun 05:45 next collapse

Elon Musk trying to be “edgy” and just coming off like the most divorced man on Earth is pretty funny. I’m still not using Vichy Twitter but it is funny watching a grown ass, 52 year-old man try to be an edgelord.

Sidyctism2@discuss.tchncs.de on 12 Jun 09:16 collapse

I think vichy twitter is the best nickname ive heard so far

MindTraveller@lemmy.ca on 12 Jun 12:37 next collapse

I don’t get it

Phegan@lemmy.world on 12 Jun 12:42 next collapse

When Nazi Germany occupied France, it was known as Vichy France.

zarp86@sh.itjust.works on 12 Jun 12:42 collapse

en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vichy_France

The joke here being that Elon is a Nazi who took over Twitter? Not sure really.

rob_t_firefly@lemmy.world on 12 Jun 13:12 collapse

When France was Vichy France it was controlled and occupied by nazis. Now Twitter is Vichy Twitter.

Hadriscus@lemm.ee on 12 Jun 14:32 collapse

Yea it’s perfect heheh

uebquauntbez@lemmy.world on 12 Jun 06:33 next collapse

Hey Elon, wouldn’t it be better for us all to not only show the likes but show the dislikes too? Even on your account.

BleatingZombie@lemmy.world on 12 Jun 07:04 next collapse

Something something "free speech "

doodledup@lemmy.world on 12 Jun 11:51 collapse

He has a point though. Just think of Reddit and Lemmy where people mindlessly hive-mind vote some posts. When you see something massively upvoted, you tend to upvote (immediately). Same goes for downvotes. In contrary, if the votes do no show, you only vote when you actually mean it.

Zier@fedia.io on 12 Jun 06:50 next collapse

Elon Musk, the nobody with too much money... for now!
[he will still be a nobody though]

ozoned@lemmy.world on 12 Jun 07:12 next collapse

Pays $40 billion to allow people to be shadow toxic. What an amazing innovator in our midsts. We’re all just so jealous we wish we could be so genius …

Fucking moron.

Deello@lemm.ee on 12 Jun 07:24 collapse

You just gotta let the sink in or something
/s

Feathercrown@lemmy.world on 12 Jun 13:29 collapse

LOW-IMPACT NONSENSE STATEMENT. Let that sink in.

jaybone@lemmy.world on 12 Jun 07:14 next collapse

He looks like a white Kim Jong Un in this picture.

Hadriscus@lemm.ee on 12 Jun 14:32 collapse

If you squint, he looks like Mao !

dumbass@leminal.space on 12 Jun 07:20 next collapse

You can still see who liked your post.

So someone just needs to make an account that says edgy things, then screen shot the list.

dumblederp@lemmy.world on 12 Jun 08:32 next collapse

ex, lol

FlashMobOfOne@lemmy.world on 12 Jun 12:28 next collapse

Might have been a bad idea to just let the bots run rampant on his platform.

AnxiousOtter@lemmy.world on 12 Jun 16:15 collapse

How else was he supposed to keep the user base up!???

Cornpop@lemmy.world on 12 Jun 12:57 next collapse

His reasoning for wanting to do this is so bad and clearly a racist dog whistle; everyone should be able to like things that they would be ashamed to like publicly with their name attached!

Resol@lemmy.world on 12 Jun 13:02 next collapse

So, first you organize posts by like count for signed out users, and now you’re hiding the like count altogether? Now how are you gonna organize posts now?

Juice@midwest.social on 12 Jun 13:06 next collapse

First they came for the ratios, but I did not speak up because I was not cringe

LyingCake@feddit.de on 13 Jun 15:32 collapse

  • First they came for the checkmarks, but I did not speak up because I was not famous.

Then they came for the api, but I did not speak because I was no researcher.

[deleted] on 12 Jun 13:37 next collapse

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0xb@lemm.ee on 12 Jun 14:58 next collapse

it would have been so much cheaper to just start the xchan imageboard from scratch instead taking 4 years turning twitter into it

dan1101@lemm.ee on 12 Jun 15:25 next collapse

They should also remove the letters T, W, I, E, and R just so no trace of Twitter remains.

QuantumSoul@lemmy.dbzer0.com on 12 Jun 16:00 collapse

Would be funny if they find and replace Twitter with X everywhere

far_university1990@feddit.de on 12 Jun 16:18 collapse

I think tried. And fucked up lot of stuff.

palordrolap@kbin.run on 12 Jun 18:24 collapse

They did. See "netflitwitter".

swordgeek@lemmy.ca on 12 Jun 16:09 next collapse

Nobody cares anymore.

Pacmanlives@lemmy.world on 12 Jun 16:21 next collapse

Wow! I just use an alt for my shit posting and likes. Guess my raciest uncle hasn’t figured that out yet thankfully.

This platform is dying a slow slow death. Really wish more people where on Mastodon

assassin_aragorn@lemmy.world on 12 Jun 17:16 collapse

Please tell me you meant racist and not raciest

ZeffSyde@lemmy.world on 12 Jun 19:46 collapse

That would be impossible, for I am the raciest uncle!

Edit: And before my inbox fills up, I’m only into Weird Aunts with a balanced cat/tattoo ratio.

authorinthedark@lemmy.sdf.org on 12 Jun 19:58 collapse

what’s your take on weird aunts with tattoos of cats?

ZeffSyde@lemmy.world on 12 Jun 21:45 collapse

That’s an instant X2 score modifier right there.

SecretSauces@lemmy.world on 12 Jun 18:11 next collapse

They just don’t want the world to see how little people like them now

jeffw@lemmy.world on 12 Jun 20:08 collapse

I think the count still shows, just not named. Musk think people are afraid to like the stuff he likes (far right BS)

uriel238@lemmy.blahaj.zone on 12 Jun 20:03 next collapse

Xwitter has become a master class in autocracy, how one guy with power and a fragile ego can bring an entire empire to ruin.

Here in the states with Project 2025 burning bright in the future promised by the Republican Party, we should be watching this closely.

ripcord@lemmy.world on 13 Jun 12:45 collapse

Ruin, yet sooooooo many people are still using it.

Seems to be working out for him. He’s able to control what people are allowed to see and say, which is the main thing he wanted.

Dude is also about to get $56B richer, there is no chance of it failing financially at this point as long as he’s still able to have this much influence with it.

billwashere@lemmy.world on 12 Jun 20:31 next collapse

I’d be ok with just “X is about to start hiding.”

SuperSpruce@lemmy.zip on 12 Jun 20:44 next collapse

YouTube is totally gonna copy this.

KonalaKoala@lemmy.world on 12 Jun 20:50 next collapse

How about “X is about to start sending everyone to Mastodon”.

naticus@lemmy.world on 13 Jun 03:32 next collapse

The funny thing is, it’s not actually hidden if you know how to see them. Just throw “/likes” after a profile. They only hid the fucking button.

porkchop@lemm.ee on 13 Jun 04:00 collapse

This doesn’t work for me

naticus@lemmy.world on 13 Jun 11:11 collapse

They may actually have fixed it now. Worked all day yesterday for me but it just redirects to the profile URL now for me too.

Misk@lemmy.world on 13 Jun 12:39 next collapse

Am I the only one that thought this was a picture of Kim Jong Un?

Draedron@lemmy.dbzer0.com on 13 Jun 12:49 next collapse

Elon mad he got ratiod recently or something?

Churbleyimyam@lemm.ee on 13 Jun 15:51 collapse

Y tho.

Chip_Rat@lemmy.world on 14 Jun 14:25 collapse

Answering honestly: so that shitty people can like shitty things without the consequences. They can broadcast their views without having to answer for them, and down the line it’s easier to manipulate likes so Elon can sell likes or remove likes from anything he pleases, which allows twitter to create “public opinion” that won’t be in line with actual public opinion.