Imgonnatrythis@sh.itjust.works
on 24 Sep 2024 23:36
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So they have concepts of a plan?
NaibofTabr@infosec.pub
on 25 Sep 2024 00:19
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The plan is to have a plan.
Static_Rocket@lemmy.world
on 25 Sep 2024 01:26
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We’ll have a timeline for the plan to make the plan by next quarter
umami_wasbi@lemmy.ml
on 25 Sep 2024 02:16
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Actually, how hard can it be? My old cheap ass Casio can have its battery replaced and waterproof already.
Sure, smartwatches have more bells and whistles but not as complicated as a mechanical watch, right?
Dark_Arc@social.packetloss.gg
on 25 Sep 2024 02:21
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Not as complicated, but the parts are bigger. Few would want an even bigger smart watch just to get repairability.
Teils13@lemmy.eco.br
on 25 Sep 2024 03:29
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just make it easily repairable by third stores with minimally qualified people and cheap tools, like digital watches already were and are. Or, make a full collecting and recycling tax to be paid by those uncaring clients.
Or, make a full collecting and recycling tax to be paid by those uncaring clients.
No, that’s not good enough. “Right to repair” is kind of an unfortunate name, because it really shouldn’t be just about repair. My property rights include a right to modify, too, and letting manufacturers off the hook by doing first-party replacements instead of facilitating work by third-parties is not sufficient to protect that right!
Dark_Arc@social.packetloss.gg
on 25 Sep 2024 11:02
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I’d settle for first party repair and a repair window of up to 20 years.
Modification is great and should always be legal… But I’d take the win to get away from so much throwaway technology.
interurbain1er@sh.itjust.works
on 25 Sep 2024 09:33
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It is. Making anything easier to disassemble requires connectors which are a huge tradeoff in terms of space Vs features. Screws take a whole lot of space especially in something you want as thin as possible such as a watch.
Nowadays the direction is embedding of passive and even active components directly into the PCB layers and an increase of the number of layers. That means that if any of them fails there’s nothing to be done, or at least not without equipments that cost way too much to be worthwhile to anyone.
In a few years, microelectronic systems will be mostly just one big custom die with the processing units and all accompanying mosfet, inductors, capacitors and resistors directly etched into a 25 layers PCB with barely any surface mounted components. Even lithium batteries can been embedded and most likely will.
If you want something totally serviceable you will have to sacrifice on size.
interurbain1er@sh.itjust.works
on 25 Sep 2024 08:56
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And my axe ! … I meant firmwares.
ocassionallyaduck@lemmy.world
on 25 Sep 2024 05:27
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Nope. I quit their Google bullshit ages ago. Moto 360 was a brutal betrayal.
Get a withings scanwatch or something that is “dumb” enough to be an excellent and nice looking watch, hugely long battery life, and has all the health features that matter.
It looks sharply professional, I charge it once a month, and the updates for it don’t constantly make it run worse to push features in a different part of their product line…
ravhall@discuss.online
on 25 Sep 2024 07:38
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The fossil gen 6 hybrid is my strap of choice. E-ink like the withings, but the whole face, and analog hands that have a separate 2 year battery, so if the “smart” runs out of juice you still get the time.
werefreeatlast@lemmy.world
on 25 Sep 2024 13:34
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I don’t have a strap-on, but I can see how it would be fun to use one.
ravhall@discuss.online
on 25 Sep 2024 14:17
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I bet you are fun at a party 😉
werefreeatlast@lemmy.world
on 26 Sep 2024 04:40
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Yup. One 🥳 party 🎉! 🍆 🍑 🍋 🍍 🍅 🍇. There’s no strap-on emoji unfortunately, but imagine a strap-on party. LOL 🤣.
ravhall@discuss.online
on 26 Sep 2024 07:25
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I don’t have to imagine it 😉😉😉
Archer@lemmy.world
on 25 Sep 2024 08:42
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Just talk to the iFixit people, they probably already have extensive notes
AI_toothbrush@lemmy.zip
on 25 Sep 2024 09:30
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Btw there are things called “screws” and they can look cool on a more traditionally male watch or you can put it on the back plate androgynous or female watch. You dont need glue for waterproofing, thats just anti-repair propaganda. Look at every mechanical watch, gshock, garmin, etc they all have screws and 100,200 or even more meters of water resistance.
If the battery, screen, back assembly and maybe the buttons are repairable thats already good for a smartwatch.
werefreeatlast@lemmy.world
on 25 Sep 2024 13:32
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$200 bucks more on the price should do it!
abcdqfr@lemmy.world
on 26 Sep 2024 04:57
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So they have concepts of a plan?
The plan is to have a plan.
We’ll have a timeline for the plan to make the plan by next quarter
Actually, how hard can it be? My old cheap ass Casio can have its battery replaced and waterproof already.
Sure, smartwatches have more bells and whistles but not as complicated as a mechanical watch, right?
Not as complicated, but the parts are bigger. Few would want an even bigger smart watch just to get repairability.
just make it easily repairable by third stores with minimally qualified people and cheap tools, like digital watches already were and are. Or, make a full collecting and recycling tax to be paid by those uncaring clients.
No, that’s not good enough. “Right to repair” is kind of an unfortunate name, because it really shouldn’t be just about repair. My property rights include a right to modify, too, and letting manufacturers off the hook by doing first-party replacements instead of facilitating work by third-parties is not sufficient to protect that right!
I’d settle for first party repair and a repair window of up to 20 years.
Modification is great and should always be legal… But I’d take the win to get away from so much throwaway technology.
It is. Making anything easier to disassemble requires connectors which are a huge tradeoff in terms of space Vs features. Screws take a whole lot of space especially in something you want as thin as possible such as a watch.
Nowadays the direction is embedding of passive and even active components directly into the PCB layers and an increase of the number of layers. That means that if any of them fails there’s nothing to be done, or at least not without equipments that cost way too much to be worthwhile to anyone.
In a few years, microelectronic systems will be mostly just one big custom die with the processing units and all accompanying mosfet, inductors, capacitors and resistors directly etched into a 25 layers PCB with barely any surface mounted components. Even lithium batteries can been embedded and most likely will.
If you want something totally serviceable you will have to sacrifice on size.
Sure, but people probably don’t expect ram slots on a smart watch. Just a replaceable screen, housing, mobo, dials, and battery would do a lot.
Make parts available. Right to repair isn’t wholly about designing products a certain way, but not allowing apple to monopolize certain parts.
And schematics!
And my axe ! … I meant firmwares.
Nope. I quit their Google bullshit ages ago. Moto 360 was a brutal betrayal.
Get a withings scanwatch or something that is “dumb” enough to be an excellent and nice looking watch, hugely long battery life, and has all the health features that matter.
It looks sharply professional, I charge it once a month, and the updates for it don’t constantly make it run worse to push features in a different part of their product line…
The fossil gen 6 hybrid is my strap of choice. E-ink like the withings, but the whole face, and analog hands that have a separate 2 year battery, so if the “smart” runs out of juice you still get the time.
I don’t have a strap-on, but I can see how it would be fun to use one.
I bet you are fun at a party 😉
Yup. One 🥳 party 🎉! 🍆 🍑 🍋 🍍 🍅 🍇. There’s no strap-on emoji unfortunately, but imagine a strap-on party. LOL 🤣.
I don’t have to imagine it 😉😉😉
Just talk to the iFixit people, they probably already have extensive notes
Btw there are things called “screws” and they can look cool on a more traditionally male watch or you can put it on the back plate androgynous or female watch. You dont need glue for waterproofing, thats just anti-repair propaganda. Look at every mechanical watch, gshock, garmin, etc they all have screws and 100,200 or even more meters of water resistance. If the battery, screen, back assembly and maybe the buttons are repairable thats already good for a smartwatch.
$200 bucks more on the price should do it!
Meanwhile, in the engineering dungeon
Seems like something you would think about while, you know, designign a product? And not after its release?