magnetosphere@fedia.io
on 05 Oct 2024 04:18
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This is entirely on Twitter. For your average person, sending a court-ordered fine to the wrong institution means it hasn’t been paid.
Plus, theres the fact that Musk is completely untrustworthy. After all the effort it’s taken to get Twitter to pay up, I wouldn’t restore their ability to earn income from Brazilians until the fine was secured thoroughly and correctly.
thefartographer@lemm.ee
on 05 Oct 2024 05:55
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I wouldn’t trust Musk for anything!
Not for a million dollars, not for a Brazilian dollars, not even for a trillion dollars!
The xitter lawyers claim that there was no bank account indicated anywhere so they "had to guess" and are demanding xitter to be unlock as they paid the fine.
In other words, either they're grossly incompetent and can't read, or they're playing malicious by trying to abuse some loophole or anything to ultimately not pay the fine
EDIT: For some clarification, there is no information publicly available as to where the lawyers sent the money to, only that it wasn't the account linked to this fine, and that the lawyers are demanding the service to be restored because they claim the fine was paid, but the correct account hasn't received the money, so the fine is not paid. Alexandre de Moraes has asked Caixa Economica Federal (one of the government banks and the only one that deals with this kind of thing) to "fix" this issue so the attorney's general office can analyse the process and decide on restoring xitter's service.
Elon Musk, X and the law firm representing them in Brazil are in absolutely no position to contest, much less demand, anything from the supreme court or the attorney's general office. Their actions have shown time and time again that they have no intention to play fair and regularise the issues, and they'll try what they can to create instability, animosity and general distrust against Brazil's judicial system.
The information regarding payment details for fines is ALWAYS clearly detailed on every notice, there is 0 chance that they forgot to include it or they've made a mistake and added a different account.
The more I read into this the more it looks like the law firm is being malicious instead of stupid, they're trying all that they can to not pay this fine (on behalf of X & Co.) and also create instability/animosity against the supreme court, specially considering what Musk has done and been doing for this whole case.
NutWrench@lemmy.world
on 05 Oct 2024 13:30
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Yup. Or Musk never expected to pay the fine, so his lawyers never bothered to research the bank where he owed the money.
I hope the government didn’t let Musk leave the country until his fine was settled.
Yeah but here's the thing, the details for payment of such things is always clearly disclosed on whichever notice they've received, and probably this was sent multiple times. Also the lawyers appointed by xitter are Brazilian, in a Brazilian firm, so they are familiar with how this works and the system is not dubious or misleading or confusing at all.
Like I've said, they're either grossly incompetent to a point that they can't read anything, or they're trying their "best" to avoid paying the fine but their best is comically pathetic at most.
babybus@sh.itjust.works
on 05 Oct 2024 13:35
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I can't provide you any source on how the fine notices of this nature look like since I have never commited anything to amount a hefty fine like this, but every single official document, bill, notice or whatever you may call it in which requires someone to pay something to the government, you will find extensive details on the account numbers and where to pay. They are not forgetting or not including this information.
Like I have said before and will say it again, the Brazilian law firm Xitter has hired is either comprised of the freshest graduated lawyers that never worked with something like this, or they can't read, or they're intentionally playing malicious to avoid paying the fine and causing as much instability as they can on behalf of Musk.
WhatYouNeed@lemmy.world
on 05 Oct 2024 14:55
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Guess when you’re sending 5 million? Yeah right.
Banichan@dormi.zone
on 05 Oct 2024 04:44
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Why do they keep using younger pictures of him for these articles? Why don’t they show him the way he is right now?
Cadeillac@lemmy.world
on 05 Oct 2024 05:44
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But if we bully dorks that means people will bully me as well :(
Cadeillac@lemmy.world
on 05 Oct 2024 13:47
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You’re safe with us friend. We (I only actually speak for myself) only bully those that deserve it. The ones that bully the little people now that they have made it. Personally, I’m not bullying him for the look and picture. I’m bullying him for being a racist, conceited, fucking ass hole who lost his way over some mother fucking monayyyyy
Lost_My_Mind@lemmy.world
on 05 Oct 2024 09:37
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Everytime I think I’m a little “out there”, I remember THIS dork exists, which frees up my mind to do other things.
Like put on a mushroomhead XX logo painted jason mask, a diana ross wig, and flannel shirt so I could go to a Fiona Apple concert, mostly against my will, get up to the front of the stage and start waving my hand enthusiastically and yell “HI HIPPIE LADY!!! HELLO!!! HELLO HIPPIE LADY!!! HIIIIIII!!!” as her bassist had to walk off stage from laughing too much, Fiona Apple looking annoyed, and 2000 people all glaring daggers at me. Luckily the crowd was 100% females besides me. So no violence towards my antics actually took place.
Times are crazy. Especially when I remember that story is like 20 years old.
theangryseal@lemmy.world
on 05 Oct 2024 10:13
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Wait… You did this?
FireWire400@lemmy.world
on 05 Oct 2024 15:25
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That should be the header image for c/blunderyears
pyre@lemmy.world
on 05 Oct 2024 14:20
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if your readers realize they keep dry heaving whenever they click one of your articles you will soon have no more readers. that troglodyte looks like a lovecraftian sea monster. no one wants to see that.
irreticent@lemmy.world
on 06 Oct 2024 04:06
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And if they’re going to use a younger picture of him at least use the one from before he got the hair transplant:
DemBoSain@midwest.social
on 05 Oct 2024 05:01
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Keep in mind this is “X, the everything app”. Musk expects it to be your one stop on the internet for everything, including online banking.
Gradually_Adjusting@lemmy.world
on 05 Oct 2024 05:44
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Anyone who wants the internet to be like this… It’s hard to describe adequately.
The idea makes me as angry as I was when I was a kid and first heard about the destruction of the library of Alexandria. It is a deep dark rage.
FierySpectre@lemmy.world
on 05 Oct 2024 18:10
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With proper open protocols for communication with various services such a ‘everything’ app could become a thing at some point.
Where I live we already have a single app (owned for a large part by the govt) we can use to log in to most official services, and any decent-size service can apply to offer log in using it. Going from that concept it really isn’t too much of a stretch to an “everything app” becoming a thing.
Your thing and Leon’s dream has one major difference. Thanks to those open protocols, multiple companies could build everything apps and compete on service, with all of them being able to access all you need.
Leon does not want Twitter to be an everything app, he wants it to be the everything app that you can’t escape, owns all your data, and you can’t get on with doing basic shit without paying him money.
He basically wants to monopolize everything, because he’s bad at competition, because he’s bad at it.
Gradually_Adjusting@lemmy.world
on 05 Oct 2024 19:00
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Things being “a thing” are not the same as “acceptable outcomes occurring”
Yeah that will never, ever happen, especially if the app is successful. We would have to legally force them
Senseless@feddit.org
on 05 Oct 2024 08:16
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PayPal is already shitty enough at it is, we don’t need another crappy payment app.
Passerby6497@lemmy.world
on 05 Oct 2024 13:14
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"Why do one thing well when you can be bad at everything instead"
Leon Skum
M0115732@lemmy.world
on 05 Oct 2024 06:06
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Did Musk e-transfer it himself? How could Xitter possibly mess this up?
jeffw@lemmy.world
on 05 Oct 2024 06:37
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Well, when you fire all the competent people solely so that you can brag about the number of people you fired…
elucubra@sopuli.xyz
on 05 Oct 2024 08:42
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Trump’s government efficiency guy in action, folks!
JohnnyCanuck@lemmy.ca
on 05 Oct 2024 10:26
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Sounds like the guy I want to be running emergency management!
ByteOnBikes@slrpnk.net
on 05 Oct 2024 19:56
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NGL, if I worked at Twitter, it was probably because I get paid extremely well and there’s no alternatives. So I’d absolutely phone it in. On a good day, id half ass it. And on the average day, id be copying and pasting chatGPT code directly into production servers, just enough work to not get fired, but not too much where I’ll get pulled into a meeting as someone who can solve critical problems.
twitter is dead and a shit zombie stands where it was
RizzRustbolt@lemmy.world
on 05 Oct 2024 12:05
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Brilliant.
No notes.
werefreeatlast@lemmy.world
on 05 Oct 2024 12:32
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On behalf of Banko del Tesoro Nacional de Veracruz Y Pavon Familia Santiago Amen de Guadalupe de Saltillo, gracias, muchisisimas gracias senior Musko!
TheFriar@lemm.ee
on 05 Oct 2024 13:27
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*muito obrigado
P4ulin_Kbana@lemmy.eco.br
on 05 Oct 2024 19:54
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Look, I’m going to interpret this as Elon sending the money to a bank in sone other part of LatAm. Not only because Brazil’s official language is Portuguese, but also because it’s way funnier like this!
werefreeatlast@lemmy.world
on 06 Oct 2024 02:40
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Si senior! En mejico todo es mejor! We can just dream a little 500million mistake for Mexicans everywhere. That makes things feel better.
cupcakezealot@lemmy.blahaj.zone
on 05 Oct 2024 12:57
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This is why you don’t fire your local team in charge of local laws and regulations, Elon.
xenoclast@lemmy.world
on 05 Oct 2024 16:55
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So, there’s a bank out there with some free money.
P4ulin_Kbana@lemmy.eco.br
on 05 Oct 2024 19:52
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No money is free
xenoclast@lemmy.world
on 05 Oct 2024 21:12
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True. To have this money we need to live in a world where social media dominates everything
Juice260@lemmy.world
on 05 Oct 2024 18:10
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I wonder if that insane musking urgency is in any way related to baking up local elections that will take place there some time soon
Whats_your_reasoning@lemmy.world
on 05 Oct 2024 19:35
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I wonder how much this will come back to hurt the company. Musk & co. want to play dumb games? Enjoy watching all the potential Xitter users in Brazil flock to Bluesky and other platforms while your site remains in the dark.
Xitter isn’t special. People will find ways to socialize online with or without it. And the longer people go without it, the more momentum other sites will gain. Whether this stalling is deliberate or unintented doesn’t matter, the fact is they’re only hurting their own bottom line when an entire country is disengaged from their platform.
In other words, keep it up, Elon. It’s fun to see some natural consequences arise from your stupid behavior.
KonalaKoala@lemmy.world
on 05 Oct 2024 19:41
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I wonder if it would have been brilliant if it was “Elon Musk’s X Still Down in Brazil After Company Sends $5.2 Billion instead of $5.2 Million for the Fine to Charity Organization instead of Bank”
tigerjerusalem@lemmy.world
on 05 Oct 2024 22:35
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Coming from Musk I still think he did it on purpose just to spite the judge.
Tin@lemmy.blahaj.zone
on 05 Oct 2024 22:47
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“Sir, this is First National Total Landscaping”
dynamojoe@lemmy.world
on 05 Oct 2024 22:53
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If you want to punish Musk in a meaningful way, then once the fine has been paid in full, the countdown can start. Once the same amount of time that elapsed between Twitter’s first noncompliance and the fine’s check cleared, then Twitter should be allowed back online. There will always be money to pay fines but they’ll never get the time back. Other companies will take note.
UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world
on 06 Oct 2024 03:31
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fadhl3y@lemmy.world
on 07 Oct 2024 01:43
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Elon: Trump’s efficiency tzar
jagged_circle@feddit.nl
on 07 Oct 2024 04:21
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Have you ever tried to wire money? Its fucking hard. Even the banks give you the wrong info. It usually takes me 1 month on average with about 4 failed transfers before it goes through
Ah, that’s a different ball game all together. Is that even possible? Last time I tried I had to wire to a US account that my Argentinian bank has in the US and they somehow transferred the money to my account. Still, it took a couple of days and it worked without a hitch.
jagged_circle@feddit.nl
on 07 Oct 2024 19:31
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Usually the process is:
Go to SA bank. Be very clear about all of the data fields that my bank is asking me, and ask them to tell me EXACTLY what to enter. Get assurance that anything is fine.
Send transfer
Get transfer back to my bank
Call my bank and ask what went wrong. They blame SA bank
Call SA bank and ask what went wrong. They blame other bank and tell me that something they told me was wrong, and maybe I should try changing X from Y.
GOTO 2 about 4 more times until it finally goes through.
Yeah, I’m not surprised. I didn’t think it was even possible. Whenever I have to transfer money to my bank account in Argentina I use crypto. Much easier. That one time that I used an intermediary US account I had no other option, never tried that again.
threaded - newest
There’s those tiny regressive Republican 1950’s entitled white thumbs—
👍🏻”AYYYYYYYYYY!!!”👍🏻
Why you gotta do Fonzie like that?
This is entirely on Twitter. For your average person, sending a court-ordered fine to the wrong institution means it hasn’t been paid.
Plus, theres the fact that Musk is completely untrustworthy. After all the effort it’s taken to get Twitter to pay up, I wouldn’t restore their ability to earn income from Brazilians until the fine was secured thoroughly and correctly.
I wouldn’t trust Musk for anything!
Not for a million dollars, not for a Brazilian dollars, not even for a trillion dollars!
The xitter lawyers claim that there was no bank account indicated anywhere so they "had to guess" and are demanding xitter to be unlock as they paid the fine.
In other words, either they're grossly incompetent and can't read, or they're playing malicious by trying to abuse some loophole or anything to ultimately not pay the fine
EDIT: For some clarification, there is no information publicly available as to where the lawyers sent the money to, only that it wasn't the account linked to this fine, and that the lawyers are demanding the service to be restored because they claim the fine was paid, but the correct account hasn't received the money, so the fine is not paid. Alexandre de Moraes has asked Caixa Economica Federal (one of the government banks and the only one that deals with this kind of thing) to "fix" this issue so the attorney's general office can analyse the process and decide on restoring xitter's service.
Elon Musk, X and the law firm representing them in Brazil are in absolutely no position to contest, much less demand, anything from the supreme court or the attorney's general office. Their actions have shown time and time again that they have no intention to play fair and regularise the issues, and they'll try what they can to create instability, animosity and general distrust against Brazil's judicial system.
The information regarding payment details for fines is ALWAYS clearly detailed on every notice, there is 0 chance that they forgot to include it or they've made a mistake and added a different account.
The more I read into this the more it looks like the law firm is being malicious instead of stupid, they're trying all that they can to not pay this fine (on behalf of X & Co.) and also create instability/animosity against the supreme court, specially considering what Musk has done and been doing for this whole case.
Yup. Or Musk never expected to pay the fine, so his lawyers never bothered to research the bank where he owed the money.
I hope the government didn’t let Musk leave the country until his fine was settled.
Yeah but here's the thing, the details for payment of such things is always clearly disclosed on whichever notice they've received, and probably this was sent multiple times. Also the lawyers appointed by xitter are Brazilian, in a Brazilian firm, so they are familiar with how this works and the system is not dubious or misleading or confusing at all.
Like I've said, they're either grossly incompetent to a point that they can't read anything, or they're trying their "best" to avoid paying the fine but their best is comically pathetic at most.
Or they could ask 🤷♂️
Or they could keep reading the notice(s) and check out all the clearly stated details on who, where and how to send the fine payment
Source?
Source for what, the lawyers claiming the payment detail wasn't specified?
https://www.reuters.com/technology/musks-x-seek-resumption-brazil-service-fines-paid-sources-say-2024-10-04/
https://g1.globo.com/politica/blog/daniela-lima/post/2024/10/04/x-realiza-deposito-em-conta-errada-e-moraes-manda-app-regularizar-pagamento.ghtml
https://g1.globo.com/politica/blog/julia-duailibi/post/2024/10/04/x-diz-que-moraes-nao-especificou-conta-e-pede-volta-ao-ar-sem-analise-da-pgr.ghtml
I can't provide you any source on how the fine notices of this nature look like since I have never commited anything to amount a hefty fine like this, but every single official document, bill, notice or whatever you may call it in which requires someone to pay something to the government, you will find extensive details on the account numbers and where to pay. They are not forgetting or not including this information.
Like I have said before and will say it again, the Brazilian law firm Xitter has hired is either comprised of the freshest graduated lawyers that never worked with something like this, or they can't read, or they're intentionally playing malicious to avoid paying the fine and causing as much instability as they can on behalf of Musk.
Guess when you’re sending 5 million? Yeah right.
Why do they keep using younger pictures of him for these articles? Why don’t they show him the way he is right now?
<img alt="What about this younger picture that he deleted?" src="https://lemmy.world/pictrs/image/a49dc324-9338-4244-adad-abed491c07b6.png">
This was the first warning. We all saw him cosplay as a Matrix extra, and we did laugh at him, but we didn’t bully this dork ass bitch enough.
I don’t think bullying dorks who cosplay as their cyberpunk OC will help. Bully billionaires instead.
I think he could have got two birds stoned at once with this one.
But if we bully dorks that means people will bully me as well :(
You’re safe with us friend. We (I only actually speak for myself) only bully those that deserve it. The ones that bully the little people now that they have made it. Personally, I’m not bullying him for the look and picture. I’m bullying him for being a racist, conceited, fucking ass hole who lost his way over some mother fucking monayyyyy
Everytime I think I’m a little “out there”, I remember THIS dork exists, which frees up my mind to do other things.
Like put on a mushroomhead XX logo painted jason mask, a diana ross wig, and flannel shirt so I could go to a Fiona Apple concert, mostly against my will, get up to the front of the stage and start waving my hand enthusiastically and yell “HI HIPPIE LADY!!! HELLO!!! HELLO HIPPIE LADY!!! HIIIIIII!!!” as her bassist had to walk off stage from laughing too much, Fiona Apple looking annoyed, and 2000 people all glaring daggers at me. Luckily the crowd was 100% females besides me. So no violence towards my antics actually took place.
Times are crazy. Especially when I remember that story is like 20 years old.
Wait… You did this?
That should be the header image for c/blunderyears
if your readers realize they keep dry heaving whenever they click one of your articles you will soon have no more readers. that troglodyte looks like a lovecraftian sea monster. no one wants to see that.
And if they’re going to use a younger picture of him at least use the one from before he got the hair transplant:
<img alt="" src="https://lemmy.world/pictrs/image/c4a30a3a-00a0-4b14-b06e-3a4240097fda.jpeg">
Keep in mind this is “X, the everything app”. Musk expects it to be your one stop on the internet for everything, including online banking.
Anyone who wants the internet to be like this… It’s hard to describe adequately.
The idea makes me as angry as I was when I was a kid and first heard about the destruction of the library of Alexandria. It is a deep dark rage.
With proper open protocols for communication with various services such a ‘everything’ app could become a thing at some point.
Where I live we already have a single app (owned for a large part by the govt) we can use to log in to most official services, and any decent-size service can apply to offer log in using it. Going from that concept it really isn’t too much of a stretch to an “everything app” becoming a thing.
Your thing and Leon’s dream has one major difference. Thanks to those open protocols, multiple companies could build everything apps and compete on service, with all of them being able to access all you need.
Leon does not want Twitter to be an everything app, he wants it to be the everything app that you can’t escape, owns all your data, and you can’t get on with doing basic shit without paying him money.
He basically wants to monopolize everything, because he’s bad at competition, because he’s bad at it.
Things being “a thing” are not the same as “acceptable outcomes occurring”
Yeah that will never, ever happen, especially if the app is successful. We would have to legally force them
PayPal is already shitty enough at it is, we don’t need another crappy payment app.
"Why do one thing well when you can be bad at everything instead"
Did Musk e-transfer it himself? How could Xitter possibly mess this up?
Well, when you fire all the competent people solely so that you can brag about the number of people you fired…
Trump’s government efficiency guy in action, folks!
Sounds like the guy I want to be running emergency management!
NGL, if I worked at Twitter, it was probably because I get paid extremely well and there’s no alternatives. So I’d absolutely phone it in. On a good day, id half ass it. And on the average day, id be copying and pasting chatGPT code directly into production servers, just enough work to not get fired, but not too much where I’ll get pulled into a meeting as someone who can solve critical problems.
Gonna bet that’s how every twitter employee is.
Found the Canadian.
I’ve been found out!!
I was pretty surprised to learn that Interac e-transfer or equivalent isn’t commonplace everywhere.
First time I saw a print of the headline I thought it was fake lmao.
It’s like an old kind of onion headline, before someone fucked with the timeline and realities got mixed up.
Nice profile picture!
Twitter. Twitter twitter twitter.
Xitter. Xitter xitter xitter.
(pronounced shitter)
Also
‘He took to Twitter and tweeted a tweet.’
Should now be
‘He took to Xitter and xat a xit.’
The X being pronounced ‘sh’ every time.
I also like referring to it as Shitler
Calling it by its dead name I see.
If Elon doesn’t respect her daughter’s indentity then I won’t respect its company.
I try to avoid using Elon as a role model.
twitter is dead and a shit zombie stands where it was
Brilliant.
No notes.
On behalf of Banko del Tesoro Nacional de Veracruz Y Pavon Familia Santiago Amen de Guadalupe de Saltillo, gracias, muchisisimas gracias senior Musko!
*muito obrigado
Look, I’m going to interpret this as Elon sending the money to a bank in sone other part of LatAm. Not only because Brazil’s official language is Portuguese, but also because it’s way funnier like this!
Si senior! En mejico todo es mejor! We can just dream a little 500million mistake for Mexicans everywhere. That makes things feel better.
This is why you don’t fire your local team in charge of local laws and regulations, Elon.
So, there’s a bank out there with some free money.
No money is free
True. To have this money we need to live in a world where social media dominates everything
LMAO
I wonder if that insane musking urgency is in any way related to baking up local elections that will take place there some time soon
I wonder how much this will come back to hurt the company. Musk & co. want to play dumb games? Enjoy watching all the potential Xitter users in Brazil flock to Bluesky and other platforms while your site remains in the dark.
Xitter isn’t special. People will find ways to socialize online with or without it. And the longer people go without it, the more momentum other sites will gain. Whether this stalling is deliberate or unintented doesn’t matter, the fact is they’re only hurting their own bottom line when an entire country is disengaged from their platform.
In other words, keep it up, Elon. It’s fun to see some natural consequences arise from your stupid behavior.
I wonder if it would have been brilliant if it was “Elon Musk’s X Still Down in Brazil After Company Sends $5.2 Billion instead of $5.2 Million for the Fine to Charity Organization instead of Bank”
Coming from Musk I still think he did it on purpose just to spite the judge.
“Sir, this is First National Total Landscaping”
If you want to punish Musk in a meaningful way, then once the fine has been paid in full, the countdown can start. Once the same amount of time that elapsed between Twitter’s first noncompliance and the fine’s check cleared, then Twitter should be allowed back online. There will always be money to pay fines but they’ll never get the time back. Other companies will take note.
Top Men.
Sending their best.
Elon: Trump’s efficiency tzar
Have you ever tried to wire money? Its fucking hard. Even the banks give you the wrong info. It usually takes me 1 month on average with about 4 failed transfers before it goes through
This is a bank problem
It takes 1 day to wire money and it works on the first try, what are you talking about?
Have you tried wiring money to South America?
Ah, that’s a different ball game all together. Is that even possible? Last time I tried I had to wire to a US account that my Argentinian bank has in the US and they somehow transferred the money to my account. Still, it took a couple of days and it worked without a hitch.
Usually the process is:
Yeah, I’m not surprised. I didn’t think it was even possible. Whenever I have to transfer money to my bank account in Argentina I use crypto. Much easier. That one time that I used an intermediary US account I had no other option, never tried that again.