network_switch@lemmy.ml
on 11 Sep 18:00
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Fast forward to July 2025, Denmark reintroduced Chat Control as a top legislative priority on its first day of Presidency. While keeping the Belgian approach of limiting scanning to URLs and multimedia files, many experts feel that the text goes back to where it started – it reintroduces the indiscriminate scanning of unknown CSAM material, too.
The Danish proposal introduces new obligations for all messaging services operating in Europe to scan users’ chats – even if they’re encrypted – in the search for both known and unknown CSAM material.
Crucially, the mandatory scanning is expected to occur directly on the device before messages get encrypted, targeting shared URLs, pictures, and videos. Only governments and military accounts are excluded from the scope of the bill.
First day and that’s their most pressing concern, scanning everyones communications. This is EU, but after the Snowden leaks I knew it would all just be made legal since it was public knowledge then. Now trending towards making it all indiscriminate and mandatory. For a long time now I’ve come to always expect surveillance powers to eventually be abused. Damn near anyone paying attention knows this isn’t about child porn
Contact your representatives and tell them they should oppose Chat Control. The link above lists who they are and provides some templates for emails you could send them
UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world
on 11 Sep 18:28
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It’s so crazy to see so much of the Eastern Bloc line up in favor of a new Stasi. Bulgaria? Latvia? Slovakia? Croatia? You really want a powerful state government breathing down your neck?
Hell, even Ireland? After decades of oppressive British rule, you should fucking know better.
I mean Lithuania sent out a complete idiot to european parlament like look at him complete right wing doesn’t even know english like he is an idiot voted in by old people who say they liked it better with the russians because of the dementia.
lemmylommy@lemmy.world
on 11 Sep 19:47
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I would be very surprised if Germany continues to oppose. Our new government is made up of conservatives who believe as long as they do the spying everything is good and nothing can go wrong - and famously spineless social democrats.
On top of all of this, these fucks don’t seem to be worried about their own encryption outside of office / position.
Fucking idiots. Has anyone told them that them using any of their free-time devices would be suspectible to any exploit that this introduces too (and it will)? Oh, got a new iPad for home? Guess what, you are important enough that a zero-day exploit was worth it to be used on you. Would they get off their career-high for one moment and think…
As Voge from the Internet Society explains, Germany is key because there’s a new government in charge. The previous government was indeed very pro-encryption – seeking to make encryption a legal right at home, while strongly opposing mandatory scanning in the block. Yet, the new administration “is giving very mixed messages and no one can definitively say what’s going to happen on Friday,” Voge added.
I really like the idea of encryption as a legal right.
bjoern_tantau@swg-empire.de
on 11 Sep 23:28
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FWIW Germany is already opposing it. I’m pleasantly surprised.
fluffykittycat@slrpnk.net
on 12 Sep 05:11
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From my cold dead hands
network_switch@lemmy.ml
on 11 Sep 19:09
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Everyone should probably just assume that even if this fails this go around, it will succeed eventually and keep building and adopting tools to circumvent these rules
kylian0087@lemmy.dbzer0.com
on 12 Sep 05:12
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Being in one of the opposing country’s, is it still useful to contact a representative? Or any thing else I can do?
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First day and that’s their most pressing concern, scanning everyones communications. This is EU, but after the Snowden leaks I knew it would all just be made legal since it was public knowledge then. Now trending towards making it all indiscriminate and mandatory. For a long time now I’ve come to always expect surveillance powers to eventually be abused. Damn near anyone paying attention knows this isn’t about child porn
The fact that these politicians exclude themselves from being spied on is an indicator it might actually be about child porn
Germany and luxemberg alrrady opposes it btw.
The countries that oppose Chat Control are:
Supporters are:
All other countries are currently undecided
Source: fightchatcontrol.eu
Contact your representatives and tell them they should oppose Chat Control. The link above lists who they are and provides some templates for emails you could send them
It’s so crazy to see so much of the Eastern Bloc line up in favor of a new Stasi. Bulgaria? Latvia? Slovakia? Croatia? You really want a powerful state government breathing down your neck?
Hell, even Ireland? After decades of oppressive British rule, you should fucking know better.
I mean Lithuania sent out a complete idiot to european parlament like look at him complete right wing doesn’t even know english like he is an idiot voted in by old people who say they liked it better with the russians because of the dementia.
I would be very surprised if Germany continues to oppose. Our new government is made up of conservatives who believe as long as they do the spying everything is good and nothing can go wrong - and famously spineless social democrats.
For much EU legislation it only gets implemented if there is consensus. Often one country can block quite a lot, see Hungary.
Why is this different?
On top of all of this, these fucks don’t seem to be worried about their own encryption outside of office / position.
Fucking idiots. Has anyone told them that them using any of their free-time devices would be suspectible to any exploit that this introduces too (and it will)? Oh, got a new iPad for home? Guess what, you are important enough that a zero-day exploit was worth it to be used on you. Would they get off their career-high for one moment and think…
Naaah, that’ll excempt themselves from it of course!
The more you tighten your grip, the more folks will slip through your fingers.
we should start pushing opposite law in same way, something which would need to be repealed first to try push the chat control law again.
From the article:
I really like the idea of encryption as a legal right.
FWIW Germany is already opposing it. I’m pleasantly surprised.
That is so relieving to hear, awesome!
From my cold dead hands
Everyone should probably just assume that even if this fails this go around, it will succeed eventually and keep building and adopting tools to circumvent these rules
Being in one of the opposing country’s, is it still useful to contact a representative? Or any thing else I can do?