BombOmOm@lemmy.world
on 25 Sep 2024 12:10
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I’m surprised at how many companies still use a Russian AV. You are relying on this singular piece of software to keep your computer safe, and you pick the Russian one? Particularly when Windows Defender is right there. All you have to do is…not install the Russian AV.
jubilationtcornpone@sh.itjust.works
on 25 Sep 2024 12:26
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Probably because old habits die hard. Kaspersky used to have a pretty good reputation as far as AV software.
In the past, I used TDSSKiller to resurrect many PC’s where other antivirus software failed.
Unfortunately, the whole Russia being a malicious actor negates any reasons to continue using Kaspersky.
originalucifer@moist.catsweat.com
on 25 Sep 2024 12:50
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dude at no time did they ever have clout with corps. kasp has always been a retail POS. garbage for the front counter at BestBuy.
no business or govt agency ive ever worked with considered kasperksy. it was never even an option on the table.
acosmichippo@lemmy.world
on 25 Sep 2024 13:26
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on the other hand i’ve seen lots of businesses use mcaffee.
Duamerthrax@lemmy.world
on 25 Sep 2024 13:28
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I used Kaspersky for a short while before dropping it. Honestly, it seems like anti virus software goes into enshitification faster than any other thing I can think of. One year, a specific brand is recommended by everyone, then the next, the ceo is fucking dolphins or something.
pandapoo@sh.itjust.works
on 25 Sep 2024 13:56
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That is so wrong that it’s actually impressive.
Either you’ve never worked in this space, or because it wasn’t present in the few IT departments you’ve worked in, you extrapolated that to mean it wasn’t present in any large organization.
By all means, I don’t disagree that American firms should not be using Kaspersky, just as Russian firms should not be using Sophos (UK based), but to pretend that they aren’t one of the oldest and most well-established brands in the space is misinformed at best.
I think you confused the fact they have a retail product presence, to mean that they don’t have serious enterprise solutions, but they do: NDR, XDR, agentless for hypervisors, etc.
systemglitch@lemmy.world
on 25 Sep 2024 16:04
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Ummm, lol. You are so very wrong, but whatever internet person.
originalucifer@moist.catsweat.com
on 25 Sep 2024 16:12
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Ummm, lol. You are so very wrong, but whatever internet person.
systemglitch@lemmy.world
on 26 Sep 2024 04:13
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Holy shit, blocking you has put a smile on my face.
didnt1able@sh.itjust.works
on 25 Sep 2024 21:35
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LMAO, not quite there
30p87@feddit.org
on 25 Sep 2024 13:00
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No one that knows what an AV is even uses an AV.
SpaceMan9000@lemmy.world
on 25 Sep 2024 19:06
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Hot take, genuinely hoping that you’re not one of those “common sense” people.
Dark_Arc@social.packetloss.gg
on 25 Sep 2024 13:03
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What companies use Kaspersky?
Isn’t this mostly a consumer level issue?
MeekerThanBeaker@lemmy.world
on 25 Sep 2024 16:30
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There are businesses that use it. I work at a small company, under 100 people and we used to use it for about six years… then we switched to Crowdstrike a few years back. And look how that ended up.
pandapoo@sh.itjust.works
on 25 Sep 2024 18:32
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Retail generates the most margin, while enterprise generally the most revenue.
At least, that’s how it works at most vendors that operate both B2C and B2B sales and product channels.
But no, Kaspersky is a major legacy player in the B2B security market with both mature and cutting edge products/solutions.
A better question might be, which companies in America were still using Kaspersky up until this month, and why.
My guess that is a mix between budgetary constraints, incompetence, and weighted risk analysis.
Imagine you’re a Midwestern ice cream wholesaler, it’s been a bad few years, and your 200 Kaspersky licenses were renewed with deep discounts.
You’re not likely to lose any contracts for using Kaspersky, nor be a target of state sanctioned espionage, but spending $10,000 between new licensing and man hours, to rip, replace, and configure a new solution, now that could cause real issues for you.
So, between a rock and a hard place, you just wait it out as long as possible and hope that when the other shoe drops, it doesn’t wreck your budget.
Damage@feddit.it
on 25 Sep 2024 15:28
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I used to work for a major research university and they switched to Kaspersky. It baffled me that any foreign AV was permitted, let alone one made in a hostile country.
sunzu2@thebrainbin.org
on 25 Sep 2024 12:45
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Pretty sure if the app can do that, you gave it permission
linearchaos@lemmy.world
on 25 Sep 2024 13:36
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It’s antivirus software It already has the maximum level of permissions possible.
sunzu2@thebrainbin.org
on 25 Sep 2024 13:38
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And that's the true crime here haha
BassTurd@lemmy.world
on 25 Sep 2024 14:11
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Not really. It’s the nature of how software like AV has to work. In order to protect against the baddies, it has to run at the kernel level, which is unfettered access to the system. If it didn’t run there, it would be borderline useless for security. Bad practices like poor code review like Crowdstrike is the real crime.
sunzu2@thebrainbin.org
on 25 Sep 2024 14:15
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Kinda like the government... They say there are here for YOUR security but are they really?
I haven't used AV beyond windows spyware most of my life and mint Linux doesn't even have it. I don't think. I guess enteprise might different situation... Not sure if there is real benefit to them.
I see no benefit for normal use case but I am open to hearing if I am wrong.
BassTurd@lemmy.world
on 25 Sep 2024 15:15
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Every business that has connected devices should be running an AV solution, at least for Windows, which is the vast majority of users. In many sectors, it is a requirement to do business. I’ve never worked in a Linux based business environment, so I’m not sure what the AV solutions are. Many reputable businesses will have network wide monitoring via SIEM tools and other agents.
AV does exist for the end user’s security, generally even the likes of Kaspersky. The inherent nature of running at the kernel level means that if something malfunctions, malicious or not, the effects can be significant. Generally speaking, these products aren’t malicious because that’s bad for business. The problem with companies like Kaspersky is that they have to comply with government requests which could mean access to private information.
The most important part of IT security is the human element. Don’t click bad links, don’t give out secret information, etc. AV products help when people mess up but also help protect against drive-by threats that don’t require human interaction.
I don’t run anything in my person Linux machines and used free Windows Defender on Windows for years. For anything not needing corporate level security, the free Defender is going to be more than enough and in most cases the best option for performance, not just cost.
sunzu2@thebrainbin.org
on 25 Sep 2024 15:21
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Thank you for providing additional context..
Seems reasonable so have to point this out tho
The problem with companies like Kaspersky is that they have to comply with government requests which could mean access to private information.
How is this different from any US based company or EU based company for that matter?
BombOmOm@lemmy.world
on 25 Sep 2024 15:58
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If you are a US based company, you already have to comply with US government legal requests. However, if you are a US company and using a Russian AV, now your AV will have to comply with Russian government requests. Russia is well known for asymmetric attacks, and giving that geopolitical adversary kernel level access to your entire corporate network is … unwise.
sunzu2@thebrainbin.org
on 25 Sep 2024 16:16
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I get that corpos are US whores and that's all good but from individual perspective your own feds are more dangerous then any Russian fed...
So people love saying this shot about Russian companies while skipping the part that this risk is even greater for the person with windows installed on their personal computer.
Indeed "unwise"
BombOmOm@lemmy.world
on 25 Sep 2024 16:27
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This isn’t about saving oneself from US access in exchange for Russian access. It is about already permitting US access, then ADDING Russian access on top. It doesn’t matter if the US feds are worse than Russian feds or vise versa, the worst possible choice is giving both entities access. Which is exactly what a US company does when they install a Russian AV across their network.
this risk is even greater for the person with windows installed on their personal computer
I’m fully onboard with Linux. And we can see from the usage charts others are taking notice of the benefits.
sunzu2@thebrainbin.org
on 25 Sep 2024 16:42
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My point being pointing out risk of Russia without point out risk from US can be misleading to a regular reader.
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I’m surprised at how many companies still use a Russian AV. You are relying on this singular piece of software to keep your computer safe, and you pick the Russian one? Particularly when Windows Defender is right there. All you have to do is…not install the Russian AV.
Probably because old habits die hard. Kaspersky used to have a pretty good reputation as far as AV software. In the past, I used TDSSKiller to resurrect many PC’s where other antivirus software failed.
Unfortunately, the whole Russia being a malicious actor negates any reasons to continue using Kaspersky.
dude at no time did they ever have clout with corps. kasp has always been a retail POS. garbage for the front counter at BestBuy.
no business or govt agency ive ever worked with considered kasperksy. it was never even an option on the table.
on the other hand i’ve seen lots of businesses use mcaffee.
I used Kaspersky for a short while before dropping it. Honestly, it seems like anti virus software goes into enshitification faster than any other thing I can think of. One year, a specific brand is recommended by everyone, then the next, the ceo is fucking dolphins or something.
That is so wrong that it’s actually impressive.
Either you’ve never worked in this space, or because it wasn’t present in the few IT departments you’ve worked in, you extrapolated that to mean it wasn’t present in any large organization.
By all means, I don’t disagree that American firms should not be using Kaspersky, just as Russian firms should not be using Sophos (UK based), but to pretend that they aren’t one of the oldest and most well-established brands in the space is misinformed at best.
I think you confused the fact they have a retail product presence, to mean that they don’t have serious enterprise solutions, but they do: NDR, XDR, agentless for hypervisors, etc.
Ummm, lol. You are so very wrong, but whatever internet person.
Ummm, lol. You are so very wrong, but whatever internet person.
Holy shit, blocking you has put a smile on my face.
LMAO, not quite there
No one that knows what an AV is even uses an AV.
Hot take, genuinely hoping that you’re not one of those “common sense” people.
What companies use Kaspersky?
Isn’t this mostly a consumer level issue?
There are businesses that use it. I work at a small company, under 100 people and we used to use it for about six years… then we switched to Crowdstrike a few years back. And look how that ended up.
Retail generates the most margin, while enterprise generally the most revenue.
At least, that’s how it works at most vendors that operate both B2C and B2B sales and product channels.
But no, Kaspersky is a major legacy player in the B2B security market with both mature and cutting edge products/solutions.
A better question might be, which companies in America were still using Kaspersky up until this month, and why.
My guess that is a mix between budgetary constraints, incompetence, and weighted risk analysis.
Imagine you’re a Midwestern ice cream wholesaler, it’s been a bad few years, and your 200 Kaspersky licenses were renewed with deep discounts.
You’re not likely to lose any contracts for using Kaspersky, nor be a target of state sanctioned espionage, but spending $10,000 between new licensing and man hours, to rip, replace, and configure a new solution, now that could cause real issues for you.
So, between a rock and a hard place, you just wait it out as long as possible and hope that when the other shoe drops, it doesn’t wreck your budget.
I mean, we still use American ones…
I used to work for a major research university and they switched to Kaspersky. It baffled me that any foreign AV was permitted, let alone one made in a hostile country.
Pretty sure if the app can do that, you gave it permission
It’s antivirus software It already has the maximum level of permissions possible.
And that's the true crime here haha
Not really. It’s the nature of how software like AV has to work. In order to protect against the baddies, it has to run at the kernel level, which is unfettered access to the system. If it didn’t run there, it would be borderline useless for security. Bad practices like poor code review like Crowdstrike is the real crime.
Kinda like the government... They say there are here for YOUR security but are they really?
I haven't used AV beyond windows spyware most of my life and mint Linux doesn't even have it. I don't think. I guess enteprise might different situation... Not sure if there is real benefit to them.
I see no benefit for normal use case but I am open to hearing if I am wrong.
Every business that has connected devices should be running an AV solution, at least for Windows, which is the vast majority of users. In many sectors, it is a requirement to do business. I’ve never worked in a Linux based business environment, so I’m not sure what the AV solutions are. Many reputable businesses will have network wide monitoring via SIEM tools and other agents.
AV does exist for the end user’s security, generally even the likes of Kaspersky. The inherent nature of running at the kernel level means that if something malfunctions, malicious or not, the effects can be significant. Generally speaking, these products aren’t malicious because that’s bad for business. The problem with companies like Kaspersky is that they have to comply with government requests which could mean access to private information.
The most important part of IT security is the human element. Don’t click bad links, don’t give out secret information, etc. AV products help when people mess up but also help protect against drive-by threats that don’t require human interaction.
I don’t run anything in my person Linux machines and used free Windows Defender on Windows for years. For anything not needing corporate level security, the free Defender is going to be more than enough and in most cases the best option for performance, not just cost.
Thank you for providing additional context..
Seems reasonable so have to point this out tho
How is this different from any US based company or EU based company for that matter?
If you are a US based company, you already have to comply with US government legal requests. However, if you are a US company and using a Russian AV, now your AV will have to comply with Russian government requests. Russia is well known for asymmetric attacks, and giving that geopolitical adversary kernel level access to your entire corporate network is … unwise.
I get that corpos are US whores and that's all good but from individual perspective your own feds are more dangerous then any Russian fed...
So people love saying this shot about Russian companies while skipping the part that this risk is even greater for the person with windows installed on their personal computer.
Indeed "unwise"
This isn’t about saving oneself from US access in exchange for Russian access. It is about already permitting US access, then ADDING Russian access on top. It doesn’t matter if the US feds are worse than Russian feds or vise versa, the worst possible choice is giving both entities access. Which is exactly what a US company does when they install a Russian AV across their network.
I’m fully onboard with Linux. And we can see from the usage charts others are taking notice of the benefits.
My point being pointing out risk of Russia without point out risk from US can be misleading to a regular reader.
But yes Linux baby, let's go...
Custom Android ROMs,
Openwrt
Make ur fed work for that money you paying him!