Genuinely both, but the latter is the #1 reason. Seriously though, it’s like every Tesla accident I hear about is FSD related. I get that people are dumb (in general), but it’s not entirely their fault when Elon keeps/kept talking about how FSD is really “full” self driving.
Assassassin@lemmy.world
on 29 Aug 16:34
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Anyone who buys the fsd license at this point deserves the disappointment. It’s been “a year or two away” for a decade now. At some point, ignorance isn’t a good excuse. I think that point was before 2020. In 2025, you have to actively avoid or block out the information that musk is a grifting Nazi.
It’s like the people that buy into the idea that ICE is only deporting criminals. You have to either be in deep denial, or a complete idiot.
it’s like every Tesla accident I hear about is FSD related.
I mean, that just kinda makes sense. Regular accidents aren’t really newsworthy. Even if they are, it tends not to be worth mentioning what manufacturer the car is.
I only recently found out that FSD treats you like a poorly behaved toddler, with its stupid strike system. For those who are unaware, if the car doesn’t think you’re holding on to the steering wheel and paying attention to the road, it gives you a strike. Once you have one strike, you can’t use FSD for the duration of that drive. Once you get three strikes, it’s disabled for an indeterminate time period, typically a week, but you can find reports of drivers being locked out for a year or longer. Keep in mind, this is a feature you have to pay extra money for, on a subscription basis
My Subaru doesn’t give a shit if I accidentally let go of the steering wheel on a drive with its its lane keep assist system enabled, it just beeps at me with increasing urgency, while still doing its job
With Supervised FSD, there’s no need to touch the steering wheel. Only with Autosteer Beta do you need to keep a hand on the steering wheel, and that’s free.
It’s also either lifetime or a monthly fee which you can cancel anytime. For my Model S it’s $11K Canadian for lifetime or $100CAD/mo for monthly which means it’d take me over 8 years to break even between the two.
I like Supervised FSD but I wouldn’t pay for lifetime and I only really use it when I’m doing long road trips. It’s awesome for that but I don’t rely on it for daily driving. I do think it drives better than 95% of drivers out there which is impressive.
HertzDentalBar@lemmy.blahaj.zone
on 29 Aug 17:16
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Its worth is highly subjective. I used it for 2 months as I had 2 long road trips and it was definitely worth it for me as it makes the long drive so much easier. With FSD, it’s still much cheaper than driving an ICE and there are way more benefits. To each his own though. Not everyone can afford a Model S.
Honestly sounds like you have buyers remorse. Most modern cars in tha last 8 years or so come with some level of assisted driving but it’s not really part of the marketing, it’s just expected to be included.
I would also regret buying a new car that locked away built-in technology behind a pay wall.
I don’t have buyers remorse at all. I love my car. I just find the Supervised Full Self Driving to be expensive for daily use. It’s awesome for road trips so I’ll gladly pay for the months I have road trips planned.
I own a Tesla with FSD. This is not quite accurate.
Tesla uses pressure in the steering wheel and a cabin camera to evaluate driver attentiveness. If you haven’t applied pressure to the wheel in a while, there is a flashing blue warning on the screen. If you still don’t apply pressure to the wheel, it beeps. If you still don’t apply pressure to the wheel after the beep for a few seconds, you get a strike and it locks out for the rest of the drive. Or if you get repeated beeps on the same drive, like seven or eight, it locks out for the rest of the drive and you get a strike.
If you are looking away from the road for more than about 10 seconds, it beeps. Same as above, get seven or eight beeps on one drive and it locks out for the rest of the drive and you get a strike.
I believe it’s currently at five strikes before FSD disables for 2 weeks. If you go for 2 weeks without getting a strike, one is removed.
The nag system is annoying. On the highway, it’s very good, usually better than I am as a human. However even with the nags it is still a huge benefit, and I think it makes me safer because I am more of a supervisor than an operator and I can spend more of my attention looking out in other directions and keeping better situational awareness overall.
brygphilomena@lemmy.dbzer0.com
on 30 Aug 14:15
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That’s… Still terrible, you see that, right? Disabling a feature that I’ve paid for for any reason, at all, is unacceptable.
The parenting behavior of big tech companies is insulting.
In concept, as a partly libertarian, I agree, they should sell the hardware and what I do with it is my business and if I misuse it and get in an accident that is my fault not theirs.
In practice, most people don’t see it that way unfortunately. There’s an awful lot of people who already misuse autopilot, even going back to the early days of autopilot. And every time someone gets in a crash in a Tesla, the question becomes did autopilot kill them and can we blame Tesla for the crash.
Personally I wish more people took the absolute view, namely that it’s supervised autopilot so either the human did something stupid or the computer did something stupid while the human was supposed to be watching it and either way it’s the human’s fault.
Unfortunately this is not the world we live in :(
Point being, I would complain more about the parenting behavior of society at large than the parenting behavior of big tech.
CompactFlax@discuss.tchncs.de
on 29 Aug 16:16
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It’s been my experience that people are really resistant to handing over control to the computer - not FSD, but simple active cruise control and lane centring.
Personally I like it, because I can offload some cognitive load while still being actively involved in driving; I don’t trust any of the self driving tech to be unsupervised.
It’s the Nazi shit. Not the product itself. Just like Canada’s grassroots boycott of american goods. It’s the implied invasion 51st state talk, not the tariffs.
Also lack of trust in a product that requires due diligence, accountability, and transparency to implement properly, something we’ve seen from competitors but with Tesla it’s only Elon’s hand-wavy assurances which tend to be an indicator of what WON’T be delivered rather than what will. So it’s Elon, but not just the fact that he’s a Nazi.
Asmodeus_Krang@infosec.pub
on 29 Aug 17:52
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FSD = Fulla Shit Driving
ramenshaman@lemmy.world
on 29 Aug 19:34
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I like driving fast cars, I don’t need a shitty computer to try to do it for me.
Also I don’t like giving money to nazis.
GroundedGator@lemmy.world
on 29 Aug 22:06
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Look at the robo taxi situation they have going. The same tech that is stopping people off in the middle of the road is what is being used for FSD.
I wouldn’t be surprised if we found out that the whole thing is a scam and there is some sweat shop full of teenagers remotely driving cars. I feel like the random stops where they shouldn’t stop is exactly how someone who learns how to drive playing GTA would drive.
BarneyPiccolo@lemmy.today
on 30 Aug 13:51
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That would be hilarious.
_cryptagion@anarchist.nexus
on 30 Aug 03:45
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hey I bet that would change if they fixed it killing people.
hackitfast@lemmy.world
on 30 Aug 04:19
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Part of what pisses me off is that Tesla doesn’t use LiDAR, it uses cameras. So in sub optional conditions, like the ones where it kills people, LiDAR would resolve those outlier cases.
But he’ll never do that because he likes how his own farts smell.
YesButActuallyMaybe@lemmy.ca
on 30 Aug 14:30
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They know.
BarneyPiccolo@lemmy.today
on 30 Aug 13:50
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Or killed the right people.
_cryptagion@anarchist.nexus
on 30 Aug 13:52
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Elon is working on that feature as we speak!
MonkderVierte@lemmy.zip
on 30 Aug 10:39
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If only they would have given Elmo his 50 billion dollar pay package, they wouldn’t be in this mess…
/s
But they did…
Just 50 more bro, I swear, this will fix it!
This month Musk got another $29 billion worth of Tesla shares.
Is it FSD, or is it the volatile Nazi at the head of the company?
Or the lie that it’s full self driving in general.
Genuinely both, but the latter is the #1 reason. Seriously though, it’s like every Tesla accident I hear about is FSD related. I get that people are dumb (in general), but it’s not entirely their fault when Elon keeps/kept talking about how FSD is really “full” self driving.
Anyone who buys the fsd license at this point deserves the disappointment. It’s been “a year or two away” for a decade now. At some point, ignorance isn’t a good excuse. I think that point was before 2020. In 2025, you have to actively avoid or block out the information that musk is a grifting Nazi.
It’s like the people that buy into the idea that ICE is only deporting criminals. You have to either be in deep denial, or a complete idiot.
I mean, that just kinda makes sense. Regular accidents aren’t really newsworthy. Even if they are, it tends not to be worth mentioning what manufacturer the car is.
I only recently found out that FSD treats you like a poorly behaved toddler, with its stupid strike system. For those who are unaware, if the car doesn’t think you’re holding on to the steering wheel and paying attention to the road, it gives you a strike. Once you have one strike, you can’t use FSD for the duration of that drive. Once you get three strikes, it’s disabled for an indeterminate time period, typically a week, but you can find reports of drivers being locked out for a year or longer. Keep in mind, this is a feature you have to pay extra money for, on a subscription basis
My Subaru doesn’t give a shit if I accidentally let go of the steering wheel on a drive with its its lane keep assist system enabled, it just beeps at me with increasing urgency, while still doing its job
I’m sure it hands out strikes if you’re driving in a straight line for long periods.
More than once I’ve been warned to keep my hands on the wheel because the highway is long and straight.
Imagine paying $50,000 to be bossed around by shitty AI.
With Supervised FSD, there’s no need to touch the steering wheel. Only with Autosteer Beta do you need to keep a hand on the steering wheel, and that’s free.
It’s also either lifetime or a monthly fee which you can cancel anytime. For my Model S it’s $11K Canadian for lifetime or $100CAD/mo for monthly which means it’d take me over 8 years to break even between the two.
I like Supervised FSD but I wouldn’t pay for lifetime and I only really use it when I’m doing long road trips. It’s awesome for that but I don’t rely on it for daily driving. I do think it drives better than 95% of drivers out there which is impressive.
$100 a month? That’s fucked
Its worth is highly subjective. I used it for 2 months as I had 2 long road trips and it was definitely worth it for me as it makes the long drive so much easier. With FSD, it’s still much cheaper than driving an ICE and there are way more benefits. To each his own though. Not everyone can afford a Model S.
EVs being better than ICE is no defense of Tesla’s bullshit.
Honestly sounds like you have buyers remorse. Most modern cars in tha last 8 years or so come with some level of assisted driving but it’s not really part of the marketing, it’s just expected to be included.
I would also regret buying a new car that locked away built-in technology behind a pay wall.
It’s the Brussels effect, it’s been mandatory in the EU for a while now.
I don’t get what FSD adds to the highway experience though, a Kia can drive hundreds of kilometers on a highway with basically no input as well.
Yeah, it’s standard and ‘FSD’ us ironically below standard.
I don’t have buyers remorse at all. I love my car. I just find the Supervised Full Self Driving to be expensive for daily use. It’s awesome for road trips so I’ll gladly pay for the months I have road trips planned.
I own a Tesla with FSD. This is not quite accurate. Tesla uses pressure in the steering wheel and a cabin camera to evaluate driver attentiveness. If you haven’t applied pressure to the wheel in a while, there is a flashing blue warning on the screen. If you still don’t apply pressure to the wheel, it beeps. If you still don’t apply pressure to the wheel after the beep for a few seconds, you get a strike and it locks out for the rest of the drive. Or if you get repeated beeps on the same drive, like seven or eight, it locks out for the rest of the drive and you get a strike.
If you are looking away from the road for more than about 10 seconds, it beeps. Same as above, get seven or eight beeps on one drive and it locks out for the rest of the drive and you get a strike.
I believe it’s currently at five strikes before FSD disables for 2 weeks. If you go for 2 weeks without getting a strike, one is removed.
The nag system is annoying. On the highway, it’s very good, usually better than I am as a human. However even with the nags it is still a huge benefit, and I think it makes me safer because I am more of a supervisor than an operator and I can spend more of my attention looking out in other directions and keeping better situational awareness overall.
That’s… Still terrible, you see that, right? Disabling a feature that I’ve paid for for any reason, at all, is unacceptable.
The parenting behavior of big tech companies is insulting.
In concept, as a partly libertarian, I agree, they should sell the hardware and what I do with it is my business and if I misuse it and get in an accident that is my fault not theirs.
In practice, most people don’t see it that way unfortunately. There’s an awful lot of people who already misuse autopilot, even going back to the early days of autopilot. And every time someone gets in a crash in a Tesla, the question becomes did autopilot kill them and can we blame Tesla for the crash.
Personally I wish more people took the absolute view, namely that it’s supervised autopilot so either the human did something stupid or the computer did something stupid while the human was supposed to be watching it and either way it’s the human’s fault. Unfortunately this is not the world we live in :(
Point being, I would complain more about the parenting behavior of society at large than the parenting behavior of big tech.
It’s been my experience that people are really resistant to handing over control to the computer - not FSD, but simple active cruise control and lane centring.
Personally I like it, because I can offload some cognitive load while still being actively involved in driving; I don’t trust any of the self driving tech to be unsupervised.
It’s the Nazi shit. Not the product itself. Just like Canada’s grassroots boycott of american goods. It’s the implied invasion 51st state talk, not the tariffs.
Also lack of trust in a product that requires due diligence, accountability, and transparency to implement properly, something we’ve seen from competitors but with Tesla it’s only Elon’s hand-wavy assurances which tend to be an indicator of what WON’T be delivered rather than what will. So it’s Elon, but not just the fact that he’s a Nazi.
I mean the product itself is also shit.
FSD = Fulla Shit Driving
I like driving fast cars, I don’t need a shitty computer to try to do it for me.
Also I don’t like giving money to nazis.
Look at the robo taxi situation they have going. The same tech that is stopping people off in the middle of the road is what is being used for FSD.
I wouldn’t be surprised if we found out that the whole thing is a scam and there is some sweat shop full of teenagers remotely driving cars. I feel like the random stops where they shouldn’t stop is exactly how someone who learns how to drive playing GTA would drive.
That would be hilarious.
hey I bet that would change if they fixed it killing people.
Part of what pisses me off is that Tesla doesn’t use LiDAR, it uses cameras. So in sub optional conditions, like the ones where it kills people, LiDAR would resolve those outlier cases.
But he’ll never do that because he likes how his own farts smell.
They know.
Or killed the right people.
Elon is working on that feature as we speak!
FSD = Full Self-Driving, saved you a click.
Damn, I’m disappointed. I was hoping somebody suddenly invented the Frame-Shift Drive over-night.
Maybe if he didn’t cheap out and used lidar instead of cameras…
*Feature that is both late and doesn’t work properly
Turns off consumers. On top of the fascism…
Wait, you mean people don’t want to buy a vehicle that throws you into incoming traffic and hits children in the street at full speed?
Or maybe it’s the Nazi that leads it who stole all our public funds for his little electric car and space race things.