Yeah. As much as I want them to keep fighting, it’s probably for the better they don’t in this case. I’ve realized that the GOP want people to keep appealing and have it go straight to SCOTUS.
HarkMahlberg@kbin.earth
on 09 Aug 01:36
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I wouldn't be surprised if this SCOTUS starts handing down "rulings" for Null v Null cases - completely unsolicited and unprompted bans and overturns of settled precedent. In other words, literally lawmaking from the bench, the thing that fascist conservatives have been disingenuously railing against for years.
defaultusername@lemmy.dbzer0.com
on 09 Aug 03:28
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Fascists speaking out of both sides of their mouths? Unheard of!
They already did that with Roe. Suddenly decided that 50 years of precedent didn’t matter and overnight destroyed all confidence the country had in the SC.
A case still had to make it's way to them. They will drop that pretense soon enough.
They'll just reveal "the Willard case", a 6-0 decision, that the 19th Amendment to the Contitution is Unconstitutional. It cites the Pragmatic Sanction, a foundational text to our Republic, as the reason that women are not allowed to vote or hold property.
The Thirteenth Amendment (Amendment XIII) to the United States Constitution abolished slavery and involuntary servitude, except as punishment for a crime.
Slavery never went away, it just needs an extra step. It's why Republicans criminalize "being Black," why they love to criminalize lots of things they don't like. In fact they probably would love to keep the 13th exactly as it is because it gives them perfect cover for the rubes. "We're not racist, we just don't like criminals!"
As for the 14th, they don't have to burn it, they just have to constantly reinterpret it around White Grievance politics. See the redistricting fight currently happening today. Drawing voting districts to accurately represent minority populations in Congress is "akshually racist against white people."
turtlesareneat@discuss.online
on 09 Aug 12:13
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The Dems finally figured out it’s incredibly stupid to keep fighting and pushing upward when it just results in a net loss for us. Took them a surprisingly long time to figure it out, and we lost a lot of rights, including trans rights, in the progress.
BlameTheAntifa@lemmy.world
on 09 Aug 01:53
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Why wouldn’t everyone just trust a corrupt, illegitimate, unelected, unaccountable, fascist organization that shows open contempt for the US Constitution, rule of law, democracy, and basic ethics? /s
surewhynotlem@lemmy.world
on 09 Aug 02:30
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The supreme court only matters because we believe in it. States could just… choose not to follow their instructions.
BetaBlake@lemmy.world
on 09 Aug 03:42
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Trump has been doing it all year so why not
prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone
on 09 Aug 11:53
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Because he runs the federal government right now, and the federal government has power over the states, so he will punish them.
anarchy79@lemmy.world
on 09 Aug 12:02
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They have been coordinating a systematic dismantling of and eventual destruction of democracy and civil society for the better part of a century now. The republicans are the fucking antichrist.
It’s so god damned bleak, and this is the endgame. Starve the beast, the southern strategy, the voter suppression and gerrymandering, the union busting, judicial capture, regulatory capture, the lobbying, the ceaseless propaganda machine, the economic sabotage, the normalization of authoritarianism, the rolling back of civil rights, the educational manipulation…
Here’s the Project 2025 tracker. They are HALF WAY DONE. In five months. It’s fucking done, we’re done, democracy is gone, there will be no more free and fair elections, they have us by the balls in a vice, and they will never let go.
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I don’t trust them either.
Trust is earned, they must have heard that as “burned.”
Yeah. As much as I want them to keep fighting, it’s probably for the better they don’t in this case. I’ve realized that the GOP want people to keep appealing and have it go straight to SCOTUS.
I wouldn't be surprised if this SCOTUS starts handing down "rulings" for Null v Null cases - completely unsolicited and unprompted bans and overturns of settled precedent. In other words, literally lawmaking from the bench, the thing that fascist conservatives have been disingenuously railing against for years.
Fascists speaking out of both sides of their mouths? Unheard of!
Inconceivable!
unpossible!
They already did that with Roe. Suddenly decided that 50 years of precedent didn’t matter and overnight destroyed all confidence the country had in the SC.
A case still had to make it's way to them. They will drop that pretense soon enough.
They'll just reveal "the Willard case", a 6-0 decision, that the 19th Amendment to the Contitution is Unconstitutional. It cites the Pragmatic Sanction, a foundational text to our Republic, as the reason that women are not allowed to vote or hold property.
Feels like they’d go after 14th before 19th. Since it enables so many other things and they want slavery back.
I uh, I hate the be the one to tell you this.
Slavery never went away, it just needs an extra step. It's why Republicans criminalize "being Black," why they love to criminalize lots of things they don't like. In fact they probably would love to keep the 13th exactly as it is because it gives them perfect cover for the rubes. "We're not racist, we just don't like criminals!"
As for the 14th, they don't have to burn it, they just have to constantly reinterpret it around White Grievance politics. See the redistricting fight currently happening today. Drawing voting districts to accurately represent minority populations in Congress is "akshually racist against white people."
The Dems finally figured out it’s incredibly stupid to keep fighting and pushing upward when it just results in a net loss for us. Took them a surprisingly long time to figure it out, and we lost a lot of rights, including trans rights, in the progress.
Well… expect more of this about a lot of things. We’re in the endgame now.
This endgame is different than last weeks? Don’t kid yourself.
project2025.observer
They are halfway done. In five months.
Stop lying to yourselves, the only way democracy survives this is with coordinated violent resistance. In any case, the USA is toast, it’s gone.
Bummer. They since the outcome would be the same, they should make the SC go on record to rule on it. Put it in the history books.
Then it can't be appealed later.
Anything can be reconsidered by a later SCOTUS if they’re willing
Yeah, stare decisis means nothing anymore according to this Supreme court.
They bend over backwards to get the outcome they desire.
I got a fun little thing here in my hand that is quite appealing.
They could also deliberately go out of their way to make it worse.
Knowing this Supreme Court, it could totally be worse than the same outcome.
Gotta wait until the SC has some… personnel vacancies, if you get my drift.
There’s four justices over the age of 70 (one is Sotomayor). Not that age means much in regards to mortality when one has the resources that they do
I believe above user was subtly referencing other causes for personnel vacancies like being greeted by Luigi’s of this world.
Then they’ve already won.
A SCOTUS ruling could potentially make the outcome worse, widen the scope and enshrine it as a national precedent.
There is always wisdom in picking your battles.
Right. That was my addled minded point. They’ve already won. Thank you for expanding on it, since I very clearly missed the explanation. Whoops
They have. They did. We’re done.
Why wouldn’t everyone just trust a corrupt, illegitimate, unelected, unaccountable, fascist organization that shows open contempt for the US Constitution, rule of law, democracy, and basic ethics? /s
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The supreme court only matters because we believe in it. States could just… choose not to follow their instructions.
Trump has been doing it all year so why not
Because he runs the federal government right now, and the federal government has power over the states, so he will punish them.
They have been coordinating a systematic dismantling of and eventual destruction of democracy and civil society for the better part of a century now. The republicans are the fucking antichrist.
It’s so god damned bleak, and this is the endgame. Starve the beast, the southern strategy, the voter suppression and gerrymandering, the union busting, judicial capture, regulatory capture, the lobbying, the ceaseless propaganda machine, the economic sabotage, the normalization of authoritarianism, the rolling back of civil rights, the educational manipulation…
Here’s the Project 2025 tracker. They are HALF WAY DONE. In five months. It’s fucking done, we’re done, democracy is gone, there will be no more free and fair elections, they have us by the balls in a vice, and they will never let go.
www.project2025.observer
What if taxes are withheld?
Then they’ll just print whatever money they decide they need. Taxes are functionally irrelevant.
zimbabwe strats ftw 🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥
Half a year…
This is gonna be awesome when it starts happening.
Join the club.