Fudoshin@feddit.uk
on 05 Feb 2024 17:38
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Didn’t even think of it as a possibility. WTF would a browser need with LLM?
dantheclamman@lemmy.world
on 05 Feb 2024 17:45
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Edge is branding itself “The AI Browser”. Chrome has plans to embed LLMs for text input. Opera, the browser which was commandeered from the original Vivaldi team and turned into a crypto/VPN gimmick browser, is of course among the hardest leaning into the LLM trend.
Even_Adder@lemmy.dbzer0.com
on 05 Feb 2024 18:19
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Local translation of text comes to mind.
Fudoshin@feddit.uk
on 05 Feb 2024 18:33
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I was thinking more along the lines of communicating with a Klingon captain on a D7 Battlecruiser.
AlmightySnoo@lemmy.world
on 05 Feb 2024 19:27
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Yup, Firefox has it: browser.mt (it’s now a native part of Firefox)
youngGoku@lemmy.world
on 05 Feb 2024 19:42
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Hmm maybe this is why Firefox is so damn slow on my raspberry pi
AlmightySnoo@lemmy.world
on 05 Feb 2024 20:26
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Hmm I don’t think it’s because of that feature, because it only runs when you explicitly ask it to translate a page for you. You should probably check your extensions, see if you have some redundant ones (a mistake people make is use multiple ad-blockers/anti-trackers, when just uBlock Origin + Firefox’s defaults are usually good enough).
Webpage authors use LLMs to generate extremely long articles, to make you scroll by ads for longer. You use LLMs in your browser to summarize those articles. The circle of life, or something.
Steve@communick.news
on 05 Feb 2024 22:19
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I do this already. It’s great. Kagi has a browser plugin that does it.
jaybone@lemmy.world
on 06 Feb 2024 01:11
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I stumbled upon a website through DDG, and after a long intro, the main section supposedly where the thing I was searching for had “Sorry I can’t fulfill your request right now”. Basically a fully generated page to match my search with some parasitic seo tactics. The web be chaging. Front page of DDG.
Hamartiogonic@sopuli.xyz
on 06 Feb 2024 12:59
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Reminds me of the amazon products titled: “I’m sorry but I cannot fulfill this request it goes against OpenAI use policy,”.
I think we’re way beyond the point of no return. The internet has been ruined for good.
I’d love a browser-embedded LLM that had access to the DOM.
“Highlight all passages that talk about yadda yadda. Remove all other content. Convert the dates to the ISO standard. Put them on a number line chart, labeled by blah.”
That’d be great UX.
Cqrd@lemmy.dbzer0.com
on 06 Feb 2024 00:48
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Arc has an LLM that lets you replace your search functionality with search or ask, where if you type a question it tries to answer it based on the content on the page. Kinda close to what you’re talking about.
Arc is genuinely trying to use LLMs in their browser in interesting ways.
JoeyJoeJoeJr@lemmy.ml
on 06 Feb 2024 01:03
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You are falling into a common trap. LLMs do not have understanding - asking it to do things like convert dates and put them on a number line may yield correct results sometimes, but since the LLM does not understand what it’s doing, it may “hallucinate” dates that look correct, but don’t actually align with the source.
Thank you for calling that out. I’m well aware, but appreciate your cautioning.
I’ve seen hallucinations from LLMs at home and at work (where I’ve literally had them transcribe dates like this). They’re still absolutely worth it for their ability to handle unstructured data and the speed of iteration you get – whether they “understand” the task or not.
I know to check my (its) work when it matters, and I can add guard rails and selectively make parts of the process more robust later if need be.
That’s actually fascinating to think about. Would be a fun project to mash something like Blazor Server and an LLM together and allow users to just kindly ask to rewrite the DOM in plain English.
LibreFish@lemmy.world
on 06 Feb 2024 01:18
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Quick tool to summarize a page, proofread, or compare it to another source. Still needs a functioning human brain to separate the wheat from the chaff so to speak, but I could see a LLM (especially local) being useful in some ways.
I’m sure there are disabilities or unique use cases that could increase it’s usefulness, especially once they improve more.
wolfruff@pawb.social
on 05 Feb 2024 17:48
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Yet another reason why I use Vivaldi over every other chromium fork.
Same. Which is to say I have it installed and boot it along with GNOME Web every time I need to check that my shitty web programming work outside of Gecko. Which is thankfully rare.
Vivaldi is nice though.
sebinspace@lemmy.world
on 05 Feb 2024 22:30
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Still a Chromium fork.
SpeechToTextCloud@discuss.tchncs.de
on 05 Feb 2024 19:19
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Kind of ironic how they use an AI generated article image
soulfirethewolf@lemdro.id
on 05 Feb 2024 21:04
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dantheclamman@lemmy.world
on 05 Feb 2024 21:08
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Another cue is that the numbers aren’t gobbledigook
DingoBilly@lemmy.world
on 05 Feb 2024 21:38
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Basically, there’s no commercial benefit at this stage.
Once there is benefit they will add it in.
Whole lot of article for nothing.
dantheclamman@lemmy.world
on 05 Feb 2024 21:54
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That’s not what they said at all.
DingoBilly@lemmy.world
on 06 Feb 2024 00:08
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Yeah they did, but with some nice words around it all.
Did you read the article? It’s literally that llms are not at a stage where they’re useful. And then they end that once they become useful they’ll look at adding them in.
And Vivaldi is a business like any other, so it’s ultimately commercially driven. If you think they’re just running the business for the sake of being good then you’re incredibly naive.
dantheclamman@lemmy.world
on 06 Feb 2024 01:16
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Blocked for poor reading comprehension
DingoBilly@lemmy.world
on 06 Feb 2024 02:11
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Lol. People are way too tribalistic about their favourite products.
I’m not even saying anything negative - adding AI to your product is not a big deal, and they’ll do it when it makes sense to. Not sure why you have an issue with that/don’t understand that’s their intent as it’s very clearly stated by them.
Literally here you go:
"Despite all this, we feel that the field on machine learning in general remains an exciting one and may lead to features that are actually useful. In the future, we hope that it will allow us to bring good privacy-respecting features to our users with a focus on improving discoverability and accesibility. "
sebinspace@lemmy.world
on 05 Feb 2024 22:29
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LLMs are essentially confident-sounding lying machines with a penchant to occasionally disclose private data or plagiarise existing work. While they do this, they also use vast amounts of energy
Draupnir@lemmy.world
on 06 Feb 2024 06:57
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Well I don’t know about you, but my mind goes to user-written instagram posts, Facebook posts, and tweets. You know, things like local moms groups circlejerking about toxins in foods etc etc
I think that’s just for a different sort of person. While there is some relatively high level discussion on lemmy we also like to circlejerk just about other things. Different strokes for different folks. The two services aren’t that different besides Lemmy being foss
CoggyMcFee@lemmy.world
on 06 Feb 2024 14:03
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They did say “most”, so I’m not sure what you’re trying to call out here
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Didn’t even think of it as a possibility. WTF would a browser need with LLM?
Edge is branding itself “The AI Browser”. Chrome has plans to embed LLMs for text input. Opera, the browser which was commandeered from the original Vivaldi team and turned into a crypto/VPN gimmick browser, is of course among the hardest leaning into the LLM trend.
Cheers DANNY BOOOOOOOYYY!
Local translation of text comes to mind.
I was thinking more along the lines of communicating with a Klingon captain on a D7 Battlecruiser.
Yup, Firefox has it: browser.mt (it’s now a native part of Firefox)
Hmm maybe this is why Firefox is so damn slow on my raspberry pi
Hmm I don’t think it’s because of that feature, because it only runs when you explicitly ask it to translate a page for you. You should probably check your extensions, see if you have some redundant ones (a mistake people make is use multiple ad-blockers/anti-trackers, when just uBlock Origin + Firefox’s defaults are usually good enough).
Firefox has that already (without using an LLM). But yeah, it’s still another way this could be implemented or possibly improved.
Vivaldi has had local translation for about half a year now. No need for LLM for this feature.
Webpage authors use LLMs to generate extremely long articles, to make you scroll by ads for longer. You use LLMs in your browser to summarize those articles. The circle of life, or something.
I do this already. It’s great. Kagi has a browser plugin that does it.
The circle of death.
I stumbled upon a website through DDG, and after a long intro, the main section supposedly where the thing I was searching for had “Sorry I can’t fulfill your request right now”. Basically a fully generated page to match my search with some parasitic seo tactics. The web be chaging. Front page of DDG.
Reminds me of the amazon products titled: “I’m sorry but I cannot fulfill this request it goes against OpenAI use policy,”.
I think we’re way beyond the point of no return. The internet has been ruined for good.
I’d love a browser-embedded LLM that had access to the DOM.
“Highlight all passages that talk about yadda yadda. Remove all other content. Convert the dates to the ISO standard. Put them on a number line chart, labeled by blah.”
That’d be great UX.
Arc has an LLM that lets you replace your search functionality with search or ask, where if you type a question it tries to answer it based on the content on the page. Kinda close to what you’re talking about.
Arc is genuinely trying to use LLMs in their browser in interesting ways.
You are falling into a common trap. LLMs do not have understanding - asking it to do things like convert dates and put them on a number line may yield correct results sometimes, but since the LLM does not understand what it’s doing, it may “hallucinate” dates that look correct, but don’t actually align with the source.
Thank you for calling that out. I’m well aware, but appreciate your cautioning.
I’ve seen hallucinations from LLMs at home and at work (where I’ve literally had them transcribe dates like this). They’re still absolutely worth it for their ability to handle unstructured data and the speed of iteration you get – whether they “understand” the task or not.
I know to check my (its) work when it matters, and I can add guard rails and selectively make parts of the process more robust later if need be.
That’s actually fascinating to think about. Would be a fun project to mash something like Blazor Server and an LLM together and allow users to just kindly ask to rewrite the DOM in plain English.
Quick tool to summarize a page, proofread, or compare it to another source. Still needs a functioning human brain to separate the wheat from the chaff so to speak, but I could see a LLM (especially local) being useful in some ways.
I’m sure there are disabilities or unique use cases that could increase it’s usefulness, especially once they improve more.
Yet another reason why I use Vivaldi over every other chromium fork.
Same. Which is to say I have it installed and boot it along with GNOME Web every time I need to check that my shitty web programming work outside of Gecko. Which is thankfully rare.
Vivaldi is nice though.
Still a Chromium fork.
Kind of ironic how they use an AI generated article image
Ummm… No?
depositphotos.com/…/thinking-hominoid-robot-analy…
Another cue is that the numbers aren’t gobbledigook
Basically, there’s no commercial benefit at this stage.
Once there is benefit they will add it in.
Whole lot of article for nothing.
That’s not what they said at all.
Yeah they did, but with some nice words around it all.
Did you read the article? It’s literally that llms are not at a stage where they’re useful. And then they end that once they become useful they’ll look at adding them in.
And Vivaldi is a business like any other, so it’s ultimately commercially driven. If you think they’re just running the business for the sake of being good then you’re incredibly naive.
Blocked for poor reading comprehension
Lol. People are way too tribalistic about their favourite products.
I’m not even saying anything negative - adding AI to your product is not a big deal, and they’ll do it when it makes sense to. Not sure why you have an issue with that/don’t understand that’s their intent as it’s very clearly stated by them.
Literally here you go: "Despite all this, we feel that the field on machine learning in general remains an exciting one and may lead to features that are actually useful. In the future, we hope that it will allow us to bring good privacy-respecting features to our users with a focus on improving discoverability and accesibility. "
Just described most people
Coincidentally, also why I don’t care much for most social media content.
And yet here you are
Well I don’t know about you, but my mind goes to user-written instagram posts, Facebook posts, and tweets. You know, things like local moms groups circlejerking about toxins in foods etc etc
I think that’s just for a different sort of person. While there is some relatively high level discussion on lemmy we also like to circlejerk just about other things. Different strokes for different folks. The two services aren’t that different besides Lemmy being foss
They did say “most”, so I’m not sure what you’re trying to call out here