Definitely something we should be looking to fine or tax.
roofuskit@lemmy.world
on 15 Oct 2024 00:32
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Severe fines or taxes. Severe.
Reverendender@sh.itjust.works
on 15 Oct 2024 01:10
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Like fatally?
Deceptichum@quokk.au
on 15 Oct 2024 01:31
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Let’s dunk their head in the c02 exhaust.
roofuskit@lemmy.world
on 15 Oct 2024 12:05
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For a business? The potential should be there.
DarkThoughts@fedia.io
on 15 Oct 2024 13:05
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And then everyone cries about high consumer prices, again.
Edit: Bunch of reality deniers here. lol
Enjoy the fascist uprisings.
SkyeStarfall@lemmy.blahaj.zone
on 15 Oct 2024 16:21
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I’d rather have a future than pay 5% less for whatever it is I currently want
DarkThoughts@fedia.io
on 15 Oct 2024 18:51
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My groceries are almost twice as expensive as just a few years ago. So "5%" is a very optimistic outlook. And while you may think that, 95% of the population won't. You can see that already in our current state that absolutely no one gives a shit about the climate. Not enough to take any sort of hit to their own comfort at least.
You think your groceries doubled because of the people trying to save the planet, and not because of the greed of the millionaire who owns the store who chose to raise the prices and kill unions so they could buy a pet yatch for their mega yatch?
DarkThoughts@fedia.io
on 15 Oct 2024 19:00
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No. I think that needed climate action would cost everyone dearly either way. If you think it doesn't then you are nothing but naive.
11111one11111@lemmy.world
on 15 Oct 2024 22:55
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Yeah cuz that works sp much better than offering incentives to lower emissions.
xthexder@l.sw0.com
on 15 Oct 2024 23:03
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Fines and taxes are incentives. Companies will do whatever’s cheapest, so you can make the good thing cheaper, or the bad thing more expensive. Both will have a similar effect, it’s just a question of where the margins are.
If a company is selling something at-cost and gets taxed, then they’ll have to raise prices for the consumer, but if they’re getting a stimulus from the government it gets covered by tax payers. Which one ends up being the right choice depends on the product and company in question.
That said, a tax or fine would be easier to implement.
just_another_person@lemmy.world
on 15 Oct 2024 00:15
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Well I don’t see Pakistan doing anything about this, but will be happier to see if we identify other bigger offenders that will be taking steps to fix problems.
partial_accumen@lemmy.world
on 15 Oct 2024 00:27
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Its possible that Pakistan didn’t know how big it was. Not that I think they’d be altruistic about it now, but if its large enough it is a source of energy. Columbus Ohio taps the city landfill for methane extraction and uses it to fuel city busses and dump trucks. There’s even a surplus after that and that is sold at a profit to the city to local natural gas customers for heating etc. source
“Last year alone, landfill gas sold to Archaea Energy generated more than $3.5 million in revenue for SWACO [Solid Waste Authority of Central Ohio], where it becomes a renewable energy source for Central Ohioans.”
It looks like Pakistan is a large methane importer:
“Imports In 2022, Pakistan imported $4.58B in Petroleum Gas, becoming the 27th largest importer of Petroleum Gas in the world.”
If this landfill produces enough methane it would be worth it to tap it as an income/consumption stream by the local population. This satellite data may provide the number to show it would be worth doing this.
just_another_person@lemmy.world
on 15 Oct 2024 00:49
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You e got a million dollar business idea right there. Run with it.
NotMyOldRedditName@lemmy.world
on 15 Oct 2024 22:49
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I’ve heard of places doing solar panels above landfills as well. So if you tap it for methane, and then put panels over it, you can get even more energy out of the space.
toiletobserver@lemmy.world
on 15 Oct 2024 01:05
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Ooooh, now do the US. My tax dollars are funding it after all. I demand to publish in regular public reports and periodicals who is on the naughty list. Send to the appropriate agency for enforcement.
ColeSloth@discuss.tchncs.de
on 15 Oct 2024 08:58
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They have already and they are some more. They’re doing the globe and the article says what they found over parts of Texas. By your upvotes, you and 17 other people didn’t bother to read the article.
They literally just started working the data within the last month
anindefinitearticle@sh.itjust.works
on 15 Oct 2024 23:05
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Good point, they probably focused this press release on the content of this initial dataset.
11111one11111@lemmy.world
on 15 Oct 2024 22:59
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No you fuckin didn’t hahaha stop lying. You didn’t vote the parent comment, its you first time in the thread and your only comment in the thread. For your comment to be true you would have to of come back on your own accord to check up on a comment you upvoted? Don’t be a fuckin douche, if you have a point to make with a comment, make the comment, don’t be a dramatic bitch making up bullshit 🤣
anindefinitearticle@sh.itjust.works
on 15 Oct 2024 23:04
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TheBenCommandments@infosec.pub
on 15 Oct 2024 22:59
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It’ll be interesting to see what China’s true emissions are, as opposed to their reported number, given how they just lie about every metric (covid deaths, poverty, etc)
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Definitely something we should be looking to fine or tax.
Severe fines or taxes. Severe.
Like fatally?
Let’s dunk their head in the c02 exhaust.
For a business? The potential should be there.
And then everyone cries about high consumer prices, again.
Edit: Bunch of reality deniers here. lol
Enjoy the fascist uprisings.
I’d rather have a future than pay 5% less for whatever it is I currently want
My groceries are almost twice as expensive as just a few years ago. So "5%" is a very optimistic outlook. And while you may think that, 95% of the population won't. You can see that already in our current state that absolutely no one gives a shit about the climate. Not enough to take any sort of hit to their own comfort at least.
You think your groceries doubled because of the people trying to save the planet, and not because of the greed of the millionaire who owns the store who chose to raise the prices and kill unions so they could buy a pet yatch for their mega yatch?
No. I think that needed climate action would cost everyone dearly either way. If you think it doesn't then you are nothing but naive.
Money is made up. The climate apocalypse just destroyed Florida.
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Yeah cuz that works sp much better than offering incentives to lower emissions.
Fines and taxes are incentives. Companies will do whatever’s cheapest, so you can make the good thing cheaper, or the bad thing more expensive. Both will have a similar effect, it’s just a question of where the margins are.
If a company is selling something at-cost and gets taxed, then they’ll have to raise prices for the consumer, but if they’re getting a stimulus from the government it gets covered by tax payers. Which one ends up being the right choice depends on the product and company in question.
They are functionally the same.
That said, a tax or fine would be easier to implement.
Well I don’t see Pakistan doing anything about this, but will be happier to see if we identify other bigger offenders that will be taking steps to fix problems.
Its possible that Pakistan didn’t know how big it was. Not that I think they’d be altruistic about it now, but if its large enough it is a source of energy. Columbus Ohio taps the city landfill for methane extraction and uses it to fuel city busses and dump trucks. There’s even a surplus after that and that is sold at a profit to the city to local natural gas customers for heating etc. source
“Last year alone, landfill gas sold to Archaea Energy generated more than $3.5 million in revenue for SWACO [Solid Waste Authority of Central Ohio], where it becomes a renewable energy source for Central Ohioans.”
It looks like Pakistan is a large methane importer: “Imports In 2022, Pakistan imported $4.58B in Petroleum Gas, becoming the 27th largest importer of Petroleum Gas in the world.”
source
If this landfill produces enough methane it would be worth it to tap it as an income/consumption stream by the local population. This satellite data may provide the number to show it would be worth doing this.
You e got a million dollar business idea right there. Run with it.
I’ve heard of places doing solar panels above landfills as well. So if you tap it for methane, and then put panels over it, you can get even more energy out of the space.
Probably not Pakistan but the Permian Basin in Texas also has a big methane emission.
That is in fact listed in the article.
Correct which is why I mentioned it.
Ooooh, now do the US. My tax dollars are funding it after all. I demand to publish in regular public reports and periodicals who is on the naughty list. Send to the appropriate agency for enforcement.
They have already and they are some more. They’re doing the globe and the article says what they found over parts of Texas. By your upvotes, you and 17 other people didn’t bother to read the article.
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They literally just started working the data within the last month
Good point, they probably focused this press release on the content of this initial dataset.
No you fuckin didn’t hahaha stop lying. You didn’t vote the parent comment, its you first time in the thread and your only comment in the thread. For your comment to be true you would have to of come back on your own accord to check up on a comment you upvoted? Don’t be a fuckin douche, if you have a point to make with a comment, make the comment, don’t be a dramatic bitch making up bullshit 🤣
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FTA: data.carbonmapper.org
Fantastic resource, thanks for sharing
Doesn’t work on mobile. Boo
They’re doing the whole planet and already have an interactive map available. FTA: data.carbonmapper.org
Can it tell if I fart in public? Asking for a friend.
It better not. I’ll get arrested.
I care more if it can tell when I fart in my own home
Enhance!
Finally, since the first one blew up many years ago.
Remember everyone, “Natural Gas” is just methane.
Mostly. Natural gas is approximately 80% methane, with some other hydrocarbons thrown into the mix.
It’ll be interesting to see what China’s true emissions are, as opposed to their reported number, given how they just lie about every metric (covid deaths, poverty, etc)