My guess is it’s not really trying to identify the person on the pic, just looking for anything looking like a human face, like any phone camera software would.
With the same pareidolia/non-human faces problems you’d get on those.
WhatAmLemmy@lemmy.world
on 09 Sep 2023 14:40
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My guess is it’s the Philippines. The corporations and gov especially has absolutely no idea how to computer. They add inefficient manual processes to modern tech that is completely automated in all instances.
It’d be hilarious if it weren’t so infuriating. Filipinos deserve better, but it’s a viscous cycle of supporting the most obvious sociopath, that leads to the next sociopath; ad infinitum.
dublet@lemmy.world
on 09 Sep 2023 15:17
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In very mild defence of their government, it’s not like many other countries do IT better at the national level.
takingbacksunday@lemmy.world
on 09 Sep 2023 22:37
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I’m from this hellhole country. This gov’t screws over the people over every chance it gets. It deserves no defending.
theterrasque@infosec.pub
on 09 Sep 2023 22:30
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Well, this is one place where they should have a manual process
agent_flounder@lemmy.one
on 09 Sep 2023 13:33
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Having read the title, I think I might be having a stroke… Or really need the iced latte this morning…
agent_flounder@lemmy.one
on 09 Sep 2023 15:08
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Nope … still makes no sense
Aurenkin@sh.itjust.works
on 09 Sep 2023 15:54
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I think monkeys are scamming people by stealing sim cards and activating them with fake IDs. It seems the monkeys are able to get away with this because the IDs appear genuine thanks to the photo. This also falls within a legal loophole as monkeys are generally not subject to law and often fail to appear for their court date anyway so law enforcement isn’t able to effectively combat the issue.
Crackhappy@lemmy.world
on 09 Sep 2023 21:15
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Notkenm
Edgelord_Of_Tomorrow@lemmy.world
on 10 Sep 2023 04:18
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After the crackdown on monkeys stealing from tourists and getting smashed on drinks left on the beach, they’ve had to improvise to survive.
Have you seen doctor who, where an image of a weeping angel can become a weeping angel?
brianorca@lemmy.world
on 10 Sep 2023 04:45
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They added face recognition to the SIM registration process, in an attempt to reduce fraud. (Maybe by limiting or not allowing duplicate faces.) But a monkey face works too, and they are plentiful on the islands, supplying many unique faces.
agent_flounder@lemmy.one
on 10 Sep 2023 21:18
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Thank you! Finally makes sense.
philodendron@lemdro.id
on 11 Sep 2023 05:37
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I hope we get to see two people use the same monkey
pewgar_seemsimandroid@lemmy.blahaj.zone
on 09 Sep 2023 19:50
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funi
shotgun_crab@lemmy.world
on 09 Sep 2023 20:09
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Solution to phone scams has nothing to do with sim card issuance. Any restrictions in that regard will only harm legitimate users.
We have to demand companies to strictly verify the incoming caller numbers, like we do with modern day emails. That way, filtering on the receiving side becomes possible.
kalleboo@lemmy.world
on 10 Sep 2023 14:41
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Is number spoofing really a problem outside of North America (+1 country code)? Over the past decade or so I’ve had phone numbers in 5 different countries across several continents and never had any issues with number spoofing or really any spam from phone numbers at all (since a year ago, I get at most 1 spam SMS a month here in Japan, not one call ever), but I keep hearing only Americans talking about it as a problem.
KairuByte@lemmy.dbzer0.com
on 10 Sep 2023 18:41
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It really depends on how liberal you are with your phone number. Do you give it to everyone and anyone? Because once it’s on a spam call list, it stays there for a long while. Even after it’s “tested bad” it gets circulated through to other spammers.
Eventually it will fall off, but it takes years in some cases. And you need to be pretty vigilant with your screening to get there.
kalleboo@lemmy.world
on 11 Sep 2023 10:38
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I always assumed they just called every single number randomly. Since you don’t pay for failed calls, the cost is zero.
KairuByte@lemmy.dbzer0.com
on 11 Sep 2023 20:30
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Some likely do, but there are other types of responses they will get that do cost. Such as answering services, fax machines, and even dialup endpoints. It’ll always be more cost effective to use a shared list of “good” numbers.
kalleboo@lemmy.world
on 13 Sep 2023 12:52
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Good point!
aidan@lemmy.world
on 11 Sep 2023 10:50
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I think it’s more widespread in the US but have definitely gotten it in central Europe
I got less than 2 outright scam calls in EU for as long as I have a phone. But if I use a foreign service that allows me to set an arbitrary caller ID, it will get through to my phone no problem.
I have no idea where the filtering happens, but if it fails one day, we’re in for a lot of hurt. Oftentimes even the legitimate companies, like banks, will call you, and demand personal information from you “for verification purposes”. Then, tries to sell you a loan, or an insurance. They always act surprised I’m not keen on sharing my personal info with a stranger.
funkless_eck@sh.itjust.works
on 10 Sep 2023 16:05
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I often wonder if spam protection would be better if more clearly displayed.
I know DKIM, SPF, DMARC aren’t “friendly names” but we could call them “Sender Valid”, “Email Valid”, “Handshake Accepted” or something and then maybe a “no outside links” and “no suspicious content” — 5 pip marks or green ticks to feel better about it?
Then you could also force-display the domain and page title following links, and warn against mismatching reply-to: addresses. Maybe even show some known technographics from the headers (“Sent via Marketo?”)
All that to say, systems like that would help against spam callers and scammers.
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I bet they’re just scanning the barcode… image recognition is way more expensive.
My guess is it’s not really trying to identify the person on the pic, just looking for anything looking like a human face, like any phone camera software would.
With the same pareidolia/non-human faces problems you’d get on those.
My guess is it’s the Philippines. The corporations and gov especially has absolutely no idea how to computer. They add inefficient manual processes to modern tech that is completely automated in all instances.
It’d be hilarious if it weren’t so infuriating. Filipinos deserve better, but it’s a viscous cycle of supporting the most obvious sociopath, that leads to the next sociopath; ad infinitum.
In very mild defence of their government, it’s not like many other countries do IT better at the national level.
I’m from this hellhole country. This gov’t screws over the people over every chance it gets. It deserves no defending.
Well, this is one place where they should have a manual process
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Having read the title, I think I might be having a stroke… Or really need the iced latte this morning…
Nope … still makes no sense
I think monkeys are scamming people by stealing sim cards and activating them with fake IDs. It seems the monkeys are able to get away with this because the IDs appear genuine thanks to the photo. This also falls within a legal loophole as monkeys are generally not subject to law and often fail to appear for their court date anyway so law enforcement isn’t able to effectively combat the issue.
Notkenm
After the crackdown on monkeys stealing from tourists and getting smashed on drinks left on the beach, they’ve had to improvise to survive.
Have you seen doctor who, where an image of a weeping angel can become a weeping angel?
They added face recognition to the SIM registration process, in an attempt to reduce fraud. (Maybe by limiting or not allowing duplicate faces.) But a monkey face works too, and they are plentiful on the islands, supplying many unique faces.
Thank you! Finally makes sense.
I hope we get to see two people use the same monkey
funi
I thought this was the onion for a second…
Solution to phone scams has nothing to do with sim card issuance. Any restrictions in that regard will only harm legitimate users.
We have to demand companies to strictly verify the incoming caller numbers, like we do with modern day emails. That way, filtering on the receiving side becomes possible.
Is number spoofing really a problem outside of North America (+1 country code)? Over the past decade or so I’ve had phone numbers in 5 different countries across several continents and never had any issues with number spoofing or really any spam from phone numbers at all (since a year ago, I get at most 1 spam SMS a month here in Japan, not one call ever), but I keep hearing only Americans talking about it as a problem.
It really depends on how liberal you are with your phone number. Do you give it to everyone and anyone? Because once it’s on a spam call list, it stays there for a long while. Even after it’s “tested bad” it gets circulated through to other spammers.
Eventually it will fall off, but it takes years in some cases. And you need to be pretty vigilant with your screening to get there.
I always assumed they just called every single number randomly. Since you don’t pay for failed calls, the cost is zero.
Some likely do, but there are other types of responses they will get that do cost. Such as answering services, fax machines, and even dialup endpoints. It’ll always be more cost effective to use a shared list of “good” numbers.
Good point!
I think it’s more widespread in the US but have definitely gotten it in central Europe
I got less than 2 outright scam calls in EU for as long as I have a phone. But if I use a foreign service that allows me to set an arbitrary caller ID, it will get through to my phone no problem.
I have no idea where the filtering happens, but if it fails one day, we’re in for a lot of hurt. Oftentimes even the legitimate companies, like banks, will call you, and demand personal information from you “for verification purposes”. Then, tries to sell you a loan, or an insurance. They always act surprised I’m not keen on sharing my personal info with a stranger.
I often wonder if spam protection would be better if more clearly displayed.
I know DKIM, SPF, DMARC aren’t “friendly names” but we could call them “Sender Valid”, “Email Valid”, “Handshake Accepted” or something and then maybe a “no outside links” and “no suspicious content” — 5 pip marks or green ticks to feel better about it?
Then you could also force-display the domain and page title following links, and warn against mismatching reply-to: addresses. Maybe even show some known technographics from the headers (“Sent via Marketo?”)
All that to say, systems like that would help against spam callers and scammers.