Apple Banned an App That Simply Archived Videos of ICE Abuses
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from technocrit@lemmy.dbzer0.com to technology@lemmy.world on 09 Oct 15:37
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from technocrit@lemmy.dbzer0.com to technology@lemmy.world on 09 Oct 15:37
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Eyes Up’s purpose is to “preserve evidence until it can be used in court.” But it has been swept up in Apple’s attack on ICE-spotting apps.
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please do not the ai slop
Saved it months ago from somewhere, this is a recycling.
@therapygary@lemmy.dbzer0.com made it.
pLeAsE dO nOt ThE aI SlOp
Send Apple feedback. They need to hear how unpopular working with Trump will make them.
www.apple.com/feedback/
OR stop buying ANY of their products
Well, both, really.
Make sure they know you won’t be buying their process anymore because of these policies.
If people actually do this, they would find out next quarter
But everyone loves talking big but keeps using these corpos products
I, for one, have never used any of their shit.
Don’t project.
I don’t think he’s projecting on you personally, Apple has a $3.76T market cap. If people really were upset that number would go down
Correct.
One guy standing tall is cute and all but that’d not how systematic change happens. Need like 10-15% of people to get in the fight to send a proper message
Be the change you want to see.
I am already balls deep, chief.
Helping family and friends while shilling it online.
We got min 5 years best case scenario still
Oh that’s fantastic.
Can you please tell me you’re entirely ethical smartphone setup?
Obviously you won’t have any Android in there, including Android ROMs which are based off of AOSP, as Google is just as, if not more, evil than Apple, and any project based off Google’s OS is inherently unethical.
Are you’re using a Fair Phone? If not, what ethical phone are you using?
And for your OS, is Sailfish or Ubuntu Touch?
Oh no, we can’t have ethical smartphones so we are forced to fund the worst corporations that exist 😢
I guess I’ll just go buy an overpriced piece of tech crap locked in a shitty proprietary environment that doesn’t respect any of my rights…
Uh, that would have been a good argument back when flagship models didn’t cost more than the latest iPhones. Unless you’re buying something other than Samsung though, you’re paying more than $2k for something that soon won’t even be able to side-load apps.
The gap between Android and iOS is closing as fast as Google can build the wall around their garden.
The person I was responding to was declaring that their choice to use an Android based phone makes them a more ethical consumer, and therefore a better person, then iPhone users.
That’s an absurd position, which was what my comment was highlighting.
What makes you think I buy flagships?
Also who cares about their gap, Linux phones are the next stop now.
How about you just don’t act high and mighty and pretend that your personal consumer choice of using an Android based OS somehow make you more ethical then those who use an iPhone.
No, the thing here is that whenever one calls out company X then its fanboys will be like “company Y is worse”.
Which is absurd because X and Y don’t care about any of you.
Your argument seems to be “all things that aren’t perfect are equally bad, so you must either boycott them all or never complain about any.” This is obviously silly. We’re talking about Apple and ICE, not every other company and every other bad thing.
Cause using AOSP benefits Google’s ability to limit their app restrictions.
Tell me you don’t understand open source without telling me you don’t understand it…
You give off some real “Well achkshuslly” enlightened centrist vibes here.
Using Google products is implicit support for Google.
Which, by the way, I understand, but if you actually read the comments from top to bottom, you would have grasped the context.
So tell me you didn’t actually read the comment thread without telling me.
A used Onpeplus 10 with Lineage on it
Yeah, and I didn’t pay for it. I don’t use Google services. You said ethics, right? I bought it used, Google doesn’t profit and I don’t use any of their services, so, they don’t continue to.
Seems pretty sound to me. Lemme know if you need a recc for a TV or anything. I’m good with those too. I like helping normies connect with technology.
Buying used is excellent
If you’ve used Android, they did the same thing and removed ICE-spotting apps.
Which is why I stay away from Google’s products too.
What do you use?
I tried pine phone, but it wasn’t usable as a daily driver.
Not OP but GrapheneOS on a Pixel probably works quite well. Got independent app stores such as FDroid etc.
Still gives money to Google though.
From Ebay it sure doesn’t. That’s like claiming Nintendo gets a cut of second hand cartridge sales.
That is what I use, but it still dependent upon Google, for both software and hardware.
While I look forward to Linux phones being usable, but I haven’t had that experience yet.
A random second hand smartphone, with a custom Android rom and no Google crap on it.
Also I’m constantly behind a VPN, just in case they can still get some useful data from me.
I consider that WAY better than buying a shitty iPhone
I guess can see how buying items second hand and flashing a ROM is not quite the same as buying a brand new phone running Android, but it seems unfair to then besmirch all iPhone users.
Did I really say anything about iPhone users? I suggested to boycott Apple and I stated that I don’t use their products.
Then someone accused me of being an hypocrite, out of literally nowhere.
If you are still using an apple phone in times like these then you are not taking your life serious enough. Big techs power will absolutely fuck things up in the coming series of purges in the US and people are totally unprepared for it.
or both
How much “feedback” do you think it will take to make them contradict the vindictive sitting President? Apple doesn’t care about what you think about this because it’s not for you.
You know what you can do? Stop giving them money. Write them an email from your iCloud account, then delete said account. Cancel any subscriptions (this seemed to be effective against Disney).
The fed gov holds too much power. You have to show them that Americans, collectively, have more power to affect their bottom line than the Pres, and (most importantly) are willing to exercise it.
Apple fans are not that type of person, though. They’re better than everyone else, and so is their owning entity! They can do no wrong, this app was obviously guilty of doxxing cops …
Well I was going to pretend not to be a pessimist but realistically, no group of people is “that type of person”, which is why we’re all so helpless. People are addicted to their favorite platforms and there’s nothing you or the platforms can do to make them leave.
Microsoft might prove that one wrong if they keep enshittifying Windows.
The only people worse than Apple fans, are Apple haters.
Because I see a lot of vocal Apple haters on Lemmy, just shitting all over Apple users, but I rarely see Apple users here shitting on Android or anything else.
I use a iPhone, my mom and dad (may he rest in peace) were already using them and wanted to use the family features on them to keep my brother and me safe. I didn’t choose to be in the ecosystem, I was just placed in it.
I also just have no reason to talk shit on android users because I know many of them are like me. Just placed into the ecosystem by parents, since their parents used them. Also just who really gives that much of a fuck? It’s a phone, it’s a laptop or earbuds or whatever. Largely things that people just need in the modern world, and it’s easy to stick with what you know and what’s easy to use.
Then there’s me owner of Android and Apple and talks shit on both haha.
lol you’re just plain wrong on that. Apple fans these days are like you: They make fun of everyone outside of their group instead of the products themselves, because you all understand you won’t ever be winning an objective argument.
What argument…?
Out of nowhere, you just started talking shit about Apple users to make yourself feel superior about your individual consumer choices, really cool bro.
Also unclear who I was making fun of, unless you consider pointing out how absurd your Apple user hate is, to be making fun of you.
But that’s not making fun of you, it’s pointing out how pathetic your unprompted and vocal hatred for Apple users was.
Really proving how intelligent Apple fans are with that reading comprehension… The argument referenced there is obviously referencing the arguments you brought up elsewhere on the internet between Apple fans and other fans.
It’s not out of nowhere. This is a topic about how people maybe should not give Apple money if they don’t want to support a corporation that will bow to fascists.
How stupid and captured their dumbass fans are is DIRECTLY related to how easy it’d be to convince them to not keep throwing money at Apple.
The fact you cannot even follow a basic conversation is the only pathetic thing here.
It’s not my reading comprehension that’s to blame for your rancid hatred of Apple users and I’m confident that your behavior is repulsive to more people than just me.
The irony is that I use Linux for desktop and Graphene for mobile so my objections are not rooted in defending my own consumer choices, they’re based entirely on your pathetic blind hatred of people who use Apple products.
Apple is the trend setter. The avant garde. If Apple does it, soon everyone will be doing it. If you see Apple doing something shitty, you need to nip that in the bud right quick.
I don’t disagree.
But my comment was a direct response to the user ranting about their superiority to, and hatred of, anyone who uses Apple products.
They kind of got that rep though for defending things people saw as anti consumer such as soldered ram, limited, storage, and blocking installation of non Apple apps. Always going Apple knows best and its for security.
Not exactly the group known for demanding more, but ones who are more complacent.
I’m an Apple owner too with MacMini and iPad so these criticisms of Apple users isn’t coming from a non Apple product owning hater. I think average Apple fan in general really sucks for how they seem to kneel over to whatever Apple decides compared to other platform users who are much more critical and demanding of products.
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A strongly worded letter
They’re based in the USA, they have to work with the government or they’ll be targeted/taken over/shut down, surely?
They could try to escape the USA and move all their operations to Europe, but I think they’re just going to stick where they are and do whatever the fascists want them to do. So long as they’re getting paid why should they care?
They had no problem standing up to the FBI when they knew the Constitution still worked. It’s not bravery when it doesn’t cost you anything and there’s nothing to be afraid of. But now things are different and regular every day people don’t want to say it out. The implications make them uncomfortable.
Apple’s market share outside of the US is pretty pitiful. Even with their piles of money, it would hurt.
Ohh wow a mega corp who pretend to do care about your privacy is collaborating with the government doing Nazi cosplay
Thus solidifying my scorched earth policy with apple.
I don’t want your naziPhone.
FYI, Google is also going after ICE-spotting apps.
And therefore, ill punish neither.
Can you add anything else to nullify action, and foster an attitude of placid obedience?
Please, share more ideas to help entrench the status quo.
You’re made of spare parts, aren’t ya, bud? No, therefore you should punish both, and get a phone with GrapheneOS or Linux.
No, they’re pointing out the chilling effect of shitting on the topic.
You’re the kind of fuckwit that would say Chris Hansen does no good against predators because he’s one guy doing a small set of stings… You’re the kind of guy who’d shit on a compromise policy that’s otherwise still a step in the right direction. You’re the kind of guy to make good the enemy of great.
and you have the gall to use insults when YOU are the one committing the social faux pas…
Pathetic. If you’re going to point out flaws, be constructive with it. Otherwise it is still on YOU if someone assumes negative intent from unconstructive criticism.
I’m not particularly concerned with what some random person on the internet thinks of me, so I’m not going to bother reading all that. But feel free to go off, just do it to my hand because the block I just gave you means I’m not listening.
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So why didn’t you just say something like Look into Graphene OS or Linux in the first place?
Why did you assume I was “nullifying action”?
Mostly your action nullifying attitude.
I shit on Tesla on a routine basis, and get zero pushback. No bitching about other vehicle producers who also are Trumpdy Dumptys…, zero.
I say don’t buy naziPhones, and people come out of the woodwork with every conceivable devil’s advocate angle, and basically maximize tangentiality.
Anything other than reinforcing the message of not buying apple:
Be mad at everyone, such that you apply pressure to no one.
You know, nullifying action.
OK, so you had an incorrect perception of a comment, but it’s not your fault. No, surely it must be everyone else that’s at fault for *checks notes* “nullifying action”, whatever the fuck that made-up nonsense verbiage means. not only that, but then your pet attack dog comes along and somehow twists that into me defending pedophiles.
idk, maybe the problem here people is contorting themselves into human pretzels so they can leap to nonsensical conclusions.
I should actually pop back in and look at the thread, instead of just replying to my inbox. I have a pet attack dog? That’s kinda neat. I wasn’t aware, but neat nonetheless.
My point stands: when called upon to boycott Tesla, no resistance. When called upon to boycott Apple, blow up the conversation into anything but generating momentum for an Apple boycott.
It really is that reductionistic.
No shit, Big Tech is going to kowtow to whoever is in charge.
Remove Apple's restrictions from the equation and just make it a PWA. This isn't the sort of app that needs to run natively on your device, anyway.
I was wondering about that with some of the recent removals as well: Why not just a PWA?
Something like Voyager or Phanpy runs excellent when installed as a PWA and especially with Phanpy I‘m not even missing a native app or „wrapper app“.
I get it. Pomme bad. But why does this even need to be an “app”? Is it just a wrapper for a website?
Here's the app's page on Google Play.
Seems like more than just a website wrapper.
Surely all of those things can be done in a browser. You can grant location and camera permissions to a website easy enough. And encrypted transfer can be done any number of ways. Offline recording is possible with localstorage. All of this seems very achievable and effectively uncensorable by Apple.
The only thing it can’t get is App Store search rank.
iirc mobile safari doesn’t do pwas and doesn’t have a lot of the web apis
I guarantee you that all this can be done in Mobile Safari. I have done it before.
You have to go through the “Share > Add to Home Screen” workflow instead of having the site simply install it for you, so it’s a bit more effort (and confusion) on the user’s part.
It does. Installing them is intentionally obtuse and is buried in the “share” menu.
It does. I'm posting this comment on the Mbin pwa on my iPhone, works pretty well.
It would definitely be a bit more annoying to program, and a bit more naggy to the user for permissions during setup I’m sure, and running in the background would take some finagling and extra work and iOS could still kill it in the background on you … but otherwise it’d be the same.
Probably doesn’t need to run in the background unless I’m missing some feature?
Video uploads. If the browser tab is closed, the upload is interrupted. An app can continue running in the background.
Sure, it's possible. But you're basically turning the browser into a virtual machine and building an app on that virtual machine, jumping through a lot of weird hoops in the process. It's unnecessary. Or should be unnecessary, anyway, with a sane operating system.
What? No man, this is all standard mobile web stuff.
A web browser is already basically a “virtual machine”. You can even run what basically amounts to native code using WebAssembly (yeah it’s closed to JVM but you get what I’m trying to say).
…offline support?
Yeah, you get some offline capabilities (like recording video to local storage) when you have a PWA. Obviously app or not, nobody is going to be uploading video without an internet connection.
Because people are stupid. We had a new client whose employees were asking for an app to access their payroll. I told the manager we didn’t have one but our website was optimized for mobile. Also told her I can show them how to put a shortcut on their home screen.
“They’re just not going to be able to handle that. If they can’t download from the app store they’re helpless.”
“But they’ll have an icon to click, just like an app.”
She just shook her head. I ended up wrapping the site in an app and putting it in the Play Store.
I’m growing very annoyed with Apple lately. Giving Trump a solid gold brick was bad enough. I knew it would get worse with all those Trump dinners Tim Cook has been attending.
Between Apple Google AWS and Microsoft the amount of control by US tech is terrifying.
This year I’ve started divesting but politically I think I need to accelerate.
I’ve been a user of the Mac for 20 years, this year I moved to a Linux desktop. Now I need to look into Linux phone and laptops soon.
with the advent of the walled garden for Android, the future for privacy respecting mobile phones seems to be with Linux. I imagine it won’t be long before they start targeting GrapheneOS, and since they control the hardware, we need new hardware that was never intended to run Android in the first place.
Wish there was a way to make our own phones as opposed to be continuing to be at the mercy of OEMs who build phones without the intention of people running custom roms. Wish it was like PCs where we could pick and choose our own parts without having to buy prebuilts.
why is luigi so popular and adored they ask
And we don’t even know how if he actually did the job!
I know he didn’t do it. we were deep in a duos ping pong tourney at the time that incident occurred.
So if we ever take back this country, we’ve gotta destroy Palantir, Apple, Google, Meta, Disney, Microsoft, Amazon, CVS (working to compile a medical database on all USAmericans)… and every company that backed Trump’s Nazi campaign. Start making a list now. The corporations alone will be a life’s worth of work.
there’s no way the democrats would ever do anything like that, let alone the republicans.
You are correct, but who said it would be the Democrats doing the work?
Add Tesla, Starlink & Oracle
Apple has consistently been a completely anti-consumer just basically evil corporation for 30+ years. Everyone knows it, there are just the people who care and who will never be smart enough to care.
Why do you need an app for that, when it can be blocked from both app stores? Did people forget about self hosted websites?
Yes
Unironically yes, mostly cause most websites on mobile are the most horrid experience and an app for the average audience is just how phones are nowadays
A lot of sites suck on mobile because the browser sucks, the app can’t be bothered to make a mobile friendly version, or it’s intentionally made awful to force you to use the app (assuming they don’t literally just redirect you to the app store when you try to go to the website).
I’m actually surprised at how often a shitty looking website looks fine once I tell the stupid fucking built in kneecapped chrome browser to open in Firefox and it’s fine.
Lol I tried using Baidu Maps too look up the neighborhood I used to live in mainland China, and jesus christ it automatically attempted to download the .apk EVERY TIME I tap something on the site. Wtf lol 🤣
Edit: typo
Also some shady company can get full access to my photos, contacts, call history, location data, camera etc. when I use their app to remind me to buy tomatoes and eggs. its just how things are in 2025 🤷 /s
People need to realize. There is no fair access to technology. You either bend the knee or have to create your own marketplace.
I realize I’m not entirely free yet, but I sleep better ever since I changed to a non-Google Android ROM. Also because the path to proper mobile Linux feels shorter now.
Anyone still on Google Android: Look into making the change. It’s worth it.
And if not, at least start getting your apps from F-droid whenever possible.
Does “play integrity” work on non Google android? I’m rooted and system wide adblocking, but I still use things like streaming apps.
I’d love to make the switch. I was looking into custom roms for my S24U and finally decided I’m okay with tripping Knox, so I’d give it a go… Nope! Samsung has removed the ability to unlock the bootloader in OneUI 8, with no path to downgrade. So I’m stuck with an excellent piece of hardware, running software that collects and sells my data.
Yep, switching as many apps as you can to foss apps, and moving to non Gmail based email services will make future switching way easier.
Time to smash the looms.
Or start breaking things.
Its why I have linux PC / laptops, and GrapheneOS on my phone (may get a fairphone next time)
Why are these apps being distributed on app stores
Why are these apps not PWAs with an app store deployment wrapper???
Every Lemming be like “what app do you use” meanwhile I’m like “…app? 👀”
-Sent via WebUI
(I don’t keep stuff logged-in on my phone, incase a cop grabs it)
“what app do you use”
“Uhhhhh Firefox?”
“That makes even, no?”
– Tsar Vlad.
I banned Apple from my life a long time ago.
My camera can record videos of ICE abuse. Are they gonna ban that?