From burner phones to decks of cards: NYC teens are adjusting to the smartphone ban
(gothamist.com)
from Pro@programming.dev to technology@lemmy.world on 12 Sep 09:07
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from Pro@programming.dev to technology@lemmy.world on 12 Sep 09:07
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cross-posted from: programming.dev/post/37300843
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JFC, kids, you make smoking look like an easy habit to kick.
Just wait until they learn about 'zines. They’re like scrolling TikTok, but written down, like for literate people. /s
This is the most boomer-y comment I've read in a while. I remember my parents saying shit like this about me and my NES.
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Now go play outside for 16 hours straight.
Yeah, it was sarcastic. Sorry.
Your comment is like the embodiment of one of those “Kids don’t know how to swipe a book like an iPad” boomerslop comics
Added /s since that’s apparently want obvious
Settle down, grandpa. The world will spin another day if kids enjoy their free period a little bit.
Said in sarcasm. I figured the author intentionally wrote that passage to evoke the image of miners on a smoke break or something.
That’d be an interesting turn of events - phone bans leading to a zine Renaissance among young people.
Don’t see it happening, but it’d be kinda cool.
Decks of cards are usually banned in schools. The schools consider card games to be gambling (even if there are no stakes) and that’s not permitted on school premesis.
“usually”?
Not where I’m from (which isn’t NYC)
I grew up in the American public school system during pokemon and Yu-Gi-Oh cards peak popularity. There were a whole lot of people who had card decks confiscated under such rules. I’ve lived in several states and while I don’t know the policies for everyone state I’ve lived in’s public schools, I do know that the school’s my son has attended also have such rules.
So I guess YMMV.
IIRC from the Pokemon days, there were a lot of concerns around the ‘prize’ scoring system, with the idea that you’d take the opponent’s prize cards when you knocked out a Pokemon. Misunderstanding/holdover from Pogs, I think (where getting the other player’s pogs was a thing).
Couple that with stories of kids getting knifed over holo Charizards, and I kinda get why schools were concerned (putting aside the ‘that’s not how the game works’ + ‘that was one disturbed kid’ elements).
Yeah I remember in highschool trying to play MTG with some friends during study hall and having one of the monitors come over and tell us no card games were allowed because of gambling, except go-fish apparently? Idk why go-fish would be less possible to gamble on, but...
Ok, got any mountains?
No take 10 damage and tap a creature in play.
Start a gambling club that only plays high stakes go-fish games with real money
Yeah I think my friends and I had joked that we should play go fish and super obviously be gambling and exchanging money, and when someone came over be like "I mean you guys did say go-fish is allowed." Then if that was banned move to like betting on chess or something and get increasing ridiculous from there.
Also phones were fully allowed during our study halls so if people actually wanted to gamble they could very easily do so on them lol. I think game pigeon even has poker so you could basically do it undetectably via just a group chat.
And if money is banned, switch to Russian Roulette
Dude I made some good money bettig on lunch gofish
Edit: autocorrect
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These phone pouches confuse me. They open with a simple magnet. Do they think kids don’t have access to magnets?
I mean, most probably don’t. Realistically
Just throw some water on them - that shuts 'em right down.
I honestly love this
“the distribution of 350,000 internet-enabled Chromebooks, part of the city’s effort to replace aging devices obtained during the pandemic, and ensure that all students have access to technology in schools even as their personal devices are banned.”
Yeah, force kids to give all their data to the one company that is doing such a great job at securing it.
WTF?
My concern is just how disposable and unrepairable Chromebooks are. So much e-waste generated every 2-3 years.
Ewaste == corporate profits.
Kids learning to avoid government control and setting up covert communication seems like a very important lesson later in life these days.
Kids have been doing this always. Did you not pass notes or make up codes as a kid?
It’s just a new technology that weve allowed capitalists to ruin through creating addictions.
So they’re treating kids like prisoners?
Keep that kind of talk in the yard where they aren’t listening so close.
My understanding is that prison is waaaay worse. Needlessly cruel, you might say
Fences, rigid schedule, forced interactions, institutional food, mindlessly boring, mandatory attendance I’m going to do a Foucault and say yes.
As if school wasn’t already a prison with all the metal detectors and xray machines.
What school has metal detectors and xray machines?!?
Like, most of the US
Eh, I know US-bashing is really popular here, but it has to be at least a little bit believable to be funny.
My highschool literally had those and I had to wait in a long-ass line everyday before school, and if students are late, they get blamed for it, I’m not US-Bashing, its just the truth.
Example (this one is not my school btw):
<img alt="" src="https://sh.itjust.works/pictrs/image/19963b70-89ac-4ef8-be23-25518bc03b64.jpeg">
There’s absolutely no way that’s true.
What reality do you live in?
Some dont even allow non clear bags to be brought in.
Not only do i work in a district that uses metal detectors, but employs security guards to keep the kids in line. Even down to elementary level.
Also, my high school administrators called the cops on me in response to me excersicing my right to self-defence against bullying. US education system are authoritarian brainwashing camps.
I knew people from bigger cities that had metal detectors in the mid-aughts. I think they’re wider spread now, but I don’t know much about schools now. Not sure about X-ray machines, never heard about those in a school.
In the sticks, we don’t have any of the machines. The textbooks are usually older than the pupils too and a lot of the stuff is in poor repair, so it may be an issue of funding.
Kids spend far too much time in school on their phones. This is simply true.
Counter point to this tho: Kids go to school knowing a shooting can happen at any time and need to have their phones for if that happens.
I can’t support restricting phones before we restrict firearms.
How do students having phones help in a shooting?
It’s nice to be able to call your parents when you’re bleeding out in the school atrium.
you’re joking right?
Calling police, calling parents, etc.
What are the police gonna do? Wait outside until the shooter runs out of bullets, then go in to finish the job?
Cops are worthless pieces of shit, 99% of the time. And Uvalde PD especially if that’s what you’re referencing.
Although, the release of the evidence that they did that, (which the GOP and UvaldePD fought tooth and nail to keep the footage secret), resulted in the following school shooting (the first transgender one the right obsesses over) had ended quickly after the pigs arrived.
Filming their incompetencies has an effect. Not much of one but an effect.
Police can be called by the teacher that’s also in the room. They never come in time anyways. Calling parents just reduces situational awareness by distracting the panicked kids.
Oh ok I didn’t realize you had survived multiple school shootings. Sorry you live in america.
Calling / reaching out for help is the obvious one, but sadly being able to get their last words out to family is also a consideration.
Is this a serious question? Replace “shooting” with any other emergency.
Calling/texting 911
Letting authorities know where they and/or the shooter is in the building
Even filming and documenting it is important after cunts like Alex Jones convinced an entire political party that all school shootings are fake, Jewish and Illuminati psyops to take away their guns.
Why don’t they just have rules like we did years ago. Have your phone out in class and you get a lunch detention, next time a detention, 3rd time sent to the office with a recommendation for suspension.
Kids have to learn to be responsible… They will have their phone on them everywhere else in life, like work. Learning to be responsible about it seems like education.
I fervently agree with your hypothesis, but i dont think you know what it is like inside public schools these days. “Shut up bitch” is the likely response to enforcing that lol
Pick up the phone call the security guard to come escort them to the office for a 30 day suspension. Happens again expelled.
You can start day one with a message on the board that you have a zero tolerance policy for disrespect
The teachers are there to educate not parent. If the kids aren’t afraid of getting in trouble then it’s the guardians problem. Public education is something that is supposed to be available so kids can learn, and we have turned it into a place to dump your dependents so they can go to work apparently.
So the solution is to start from a place of distrust? If you treat children like they’ve already done something wrong, what reason do they have left to behave? It also seems pretty damaging to their development to teach them that being treated this way be default is good or right.
If it’s a problem, sure, take them away. But not even giving them the chance to show some level of responsibility early, even if it’s likely they might not do it, is both lazy, and developmentally damaging.
Maybe tell teachers to teach better ?? Especially math & science teachers.
Firstly pay them enough
I’m assuming firearms are also restricted in NYC schools.
Yeah but the thing with mass shooters is that they don’t give a fuck what the law says.
No, they don’t. But anyone who could smuggle in a phone could smuggle in a gun.
Yeah, and again: the thing with mass shooters is that they don’t give a fuck what the law says.
They’re not going to go through the phone checkpoint, they’re just gonna open fire. This would not stop a mass shooting.
Sort of agree?
Yeah, guns must be banned completely in the US, fully agree, but phones in class too. Waiting with one for the other won’t make anything better
When I was in school every room had a landline phone that could make calls both within the building and externally. Is this not the case now? What advantage does it give for everyone to have a phone? Wouldn’t that just create more variables, chaos and panic to deal with during an actual emergency?
This is the answer.
Yes take away the one tool that is basically required for modern adult life.
It’s a fair point.
Phones REALLY enable stupidity amongst, like… everyone though.
I’m not sure if there’s a middle ground or what it would be.
Just wondering, in your own words, what demographic is this article is discussing?
*required by capitalism for “modern” life. Literally no one actually needs a phone. But samsung and apple do need to keep their slave labor producing products for consumers.
Ok, try living in America without a phone.
Like any phone, even a landline? I should have referred more to smartphones i guess. But still, the only reason we “need” them is corporate greed driven. No one needs more than a landlines or a jitterbug at most.
Yeah… I would walk right tf out of there.
Really now, would you?
Wake up 5 minutes earlier so that next time you won’t be late. OMG, how dare I even say that out loud
Nobody has cellphones in schools for hundreds of years and after a few years of having them it’s funny to see how all kids think that it’s impossible and a human rights violation to be without
Dude. She was late because of a massive long line for the security checks that the school created. The girl was at school on time. The line took a shit tonne of time to get her through. Did you read the article?
If the bus is late, does the student get marked late? No. If the administration forces the student to go through extra checks that makes the on-time student late, why does the student get marked late?