TikTok says it's restoring service to US users based on Trump's promised executive order
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from cm0002@lemmy.world to technology@lemmy.world on 19 Jan 19:26
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from cm0002@lemmy.world to technology@lemmy.world on 19 Jan 19:26
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It was a got damn stunt, offc
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The only way his ban evasion will work is if they find a buyer in 90 days
Or Trump keeps extending it or the newly formed Congress rolls back the law or the corrupt Supreme Court changes its mind or or or.
They entire US government is a game of oligarchic Calvinball.
Tomorrow Trump becomes the commander in cheif of the executive branch, the branch explicitly in charge of enforcing the law. The concept of salutary neglect is not new to America, and I don’t think much could stop him if he decided to simply not enforce the law as written. As you point out, it would not be the first time the country played by it’s own rules made up on the spot.
Uhhh, Trump is literally the executive.
He just commands the FCC or other authorities to ignore TikTok. He can extend this ban evasion for all 4 years if he wants.
Congress and Supreme Court do not control the executive powers. The President does.
Does the FCC have the discretion to do that after Chevron, I wonder?
Doesn’t matter; SCOTUS is controlled by “unitary executive theory” nutjobs now. The FCC can do whatever Trump wants it to do; no more, no less.
As long as he can make money off of tiktok (either through videos or bribes) he’ll keep extending it.
Trump hasn’t even become president yet, and already they’re giving him praises.
Republicans are always president and can do things like negotiate the release of hostages. They just let democrats pretend sometimes.
In fairness even the Democrats are Republicans these days.
Glares at Fetterman
That’s totally not fishy at all
Note that the law does not prohibit TikTok from operating. It prohibits companies like Google and Apple from distributing it, and according to this article, they are in fact not distributing it.
TikTok shut off voluntarily and that appears to have been an excellent PR move, but we won’t know for certain until Trump does or doesn’t do something about it in the next few days.
TikTok may trust Trump but Apple and Google are much better off acting like the law is in force and could be used against them.
TikTok also was and still is acting like the law is in force - the law does not require it to shut off. They aren’t taking any legal risk.
Sec. 2) This division prohibits distributing, maintaining, updating, or providing internet hosting services for a foreign adversary controlled application (e.g., TikTok).
The “providing internet hosting services” seems like it could be an issue there
The law actually bans “providing internet hosting services to enable the distribution, maintenance, or updating of such foreign adversary controlled application for users within the land or maritime borders of the United States.”
If Google and Apple aren’t distributing, maintaining, or updating TikTok then it follows that nobody is providing internet hosting services enabling distribution, maintenance, or updating of TikTok.
Wouldn’t the ISP be liable?
Only if they hosted someone who distributed the app or update. Which nobody is doing.
It was a publicity stunt. That’s manipulative as fuck. You can add them to the list of businesses in Trump’s pocket.
Is this gonna turn out to be trumps version of the Iran hostage crisis sabotage
How? The election is over.
fair point
But from what I recall, that’s exactly what happened with the Iran hostage crisis too: they were freed on the day of Reagan’s inauguration after he took over from Carter.
The hostage crisis is part of why Reagan won. This wasn’t a campaign issue.
You mean TikTok wasn’t a campaign issue? I agree. I think I understand your argument now.
Um… I think Gaza is already that
There's no way GenZ can possibly be this stupid, right?
Lol
Iceberg of stupidity. And it’s not just genZ. It’s Americans in general.
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A lot voted trump, so yes?
I dunno if app stores are gonna bring it back though.
The law stipulates like, ridiculously massive (seriously like $5k PER USER) fines for hosting it. I dunno if a legally-dubious pinky promise from Trump will be enough for them.
That’s only really a problem for iOS users though. For Android users, you can just load the APK onto the phone and go.
Gaza ceasefire and reversed TikTok ban. He’s basically won over younger voters before he’s even started.
It’s as if plutocrats worldwide are teeing up fake wins to help Trump solidify his power because they see an opportunity to kill off liberalism once and for all.
The decomcrats are fucking morons for allowing Trump to take credit for this. This was the obvious outcome and was easily preventable.
Call me crazy but this feels all like a plan to push the Maga movement, first the “bad democrats” take away the “lovely” tiktok, then “good” trump brings back the beloved “noncensorship” tiktok because he “loves” freedom of speech or smth.
But trump is the one who started the movement to ban it when he was president the first time!
No one will remember that since it happened prior to last week.
STOP BEING RIGHT!!!
Hi my name is Fred the goldfish
HEY IT’S FRED!!!
Remember that? Remember Fred? Ah, of coarse not. You have the memory of a goldfish…
Wasn’t there a game called freddy fish as a child hood education game?
It’s where I learnt what a sea Eneneme was.
Yeah this.
en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freddi_Fish
I don’t really think that’s the case. I mean, the democrats are idiots, sure, but why would they take part in the scheme when they know Trumps followers wanna line them up against the wall?
Because the Democrat politicians hold all the same stocks as the Republicans
I don’t know why the Dems keep shooting themselves in the foot to further Republican goals but they seem to be pretty good at it.
He literally was the president at the time and he was the one that pushed for the ban. It’s a matter of public record, not that that really matters anymore.
Because the Republicans tied aid to Ukraine to the Tik Tok ban. Democrats were forced to vote for it to continue to prevent the fall of a country fighting off an invasion.
This story has lots more to run. Trump is giving them a 90 day reprieve but hes going to try and extract something from them.
I suspect he will still try and get them to sell to one of his cronies. And bytedance won’t do that.
What a waste this was.
I’m way more interested in the reactions of Google, Apple, Oracle, and the dozens of other corporations ByteDance depends on.
The “90-day extension” Trump keeps talking about has no basis in law except to conclude an in-process divestment, which currently doesn’t exist. He can order the law not to be enforced, but you’re still breaking the law. It’ll interesting to see if those companies are willing to along with an executive order their counsel knows is illegal or are willing to knowingly break the law under the promise they won’t be prosecuted (for now).
edit: IANAL
I mean, they can get away with it. They own the government, if the next president threw a fit about them going along with something that they knew was illegal because Trump was OK with it, do you think their lawyers wouldn’t be able to make it go away for a meager fine that’s 0.001% of their annual revenue?
I’m curious whether “can probably get away with it” is enough for them. And whether they’ll take the risk for no reward whatsoever in the case of Apple and Google.
Wikipedia says, with a couple references:
So I think he can do it.
My point is that no path has been identified, no progress has been made, and nothing is in place.
Point taken, but I’m just going to presume that all that will be declared satisfied in the EO in some token form or another.
I don’t think that it can just be declared satisfied, though. I imagine Google and Apple’s obscenely top-shelf representation will be like, “this has about this much legal merit”:
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But who knows! :)
What could Trump do? Anyone know? The law is the law. Lemme guess. He’s just gonna not enforce the law?
Well, it’s a federal law, so yeah, basically. I mean, it’s kind of up to the president if the DOJ actually prosecutes people for breaking federal law. Take Biden for example. He just pardoned a bunch of people who were in prison for federal drug charges. The laws they broke are still on the books, and what they did was still technically illegal, even if it’s stupid to begin with.
Somebody at the DOJ could just go rogue and try to enforce the laws, but they would just be fired if the president didn’t like it.
These weren't even the worst pardons...
He let out some cunt who robbed her town blind.
Imagine being corrupt and then being pardoned by the president. That's a slap to the taxpayer
I bet the new algorithm will be pushing push far right content to everyone just like Twitter and Meta, this was a stunt to silence the leftists.
How do I filter out every thread regarding a given string?
Spreading for awareness, I’ve been posting this in relevant threads for a week - This is all theater.
trump was always going to “save” tik tok after starting the initial push to ban it (for the wrong reasons) to pretend he did something for you. Worst part is that all of the no/low info voters and non voters will eat it up.
It’s the equivalent of a person pushing you into the middle of the street and at the very last second, that same person tells the drivers to all stop. “Wow, I owe you my life!”
And now, this adds two layers:
You think trump and the Supreme Court are colluding? now they get to say, nah uh!!! Even though again, this is all convoluted.
trump gets to look “stronger” than the “highest court in the land” to help delude the next generation of low info tiktok folks.
P.s. The Chinese “protest” apps that were downloaded are going to mine the FUCK out of these millions of phones in the brief window they have them. Also, when the kids inevitably move back to tiktok, majority of them will still leave these other apps installed on their phones, dormant and collecting indefinitely in the background.
You know many of us agreed to give our data to China rather than messenger or else wise?
What point are you trying to make, and in response to what?
I think it’s a valid point that the concern being raised about tik tok is just as valid with other apps, both from Facebook or Twitter etc and from overseas apps. People are happily giving up their data and don’t see a distinction in how it is being used for disinformation by different state actors. It’s all misinformation.
People are apathetic to the risk, but also don’t see the risk for foreign government snooping as significantly higher than internal snooping.
Many people also don’t consider the willingness and commitment to giving China data now. I mean if Facebook, Twitter and else wise. Is scanning our wifi to see what is connected to it and what we have access to. Why not go ahead and give our data to a country they’ll sell the data to.
Simple. We choose to give our data to another country instead of companies that sell our data without us knowing. Also in Little red book. You see it tells the users to be cautious where they share their facial data and that it’s not needed to use the app?
You’re not making a lot of sense… It also seems that you’re under the impression that tiktok doesn’t sell data and ad profiles like all other social media networks?
No trust me I know TikTok did and how am I not making sense. It’s simple. We choose to go to a literal Chinese app due to our governments decision? How can I make that anymore clear? We chose to give our data to another country? You seem to be hard of reading or thinking there’s some meaning in my text that there’s not, what are you assuming?
Through your odd syntax at times and non-US spellings of common words, seems likely that you aren’t actually from the United States - the US being the place where this farce was perpetrated - yet you speak with an “us” and a “we”… It’s strange.
Anyway, these are a few odd bits of info that seem to inform you as an unreliable source in this discussion. Are you trying to sow discord from afar, you silly little scamp?
I use a Canadian keyboard because it’s easier 😆 but I live in the US just under the great lakes. EST time. Though believe that if you wish. I am influenced by many cultures around the world from Norse, Chinese and more!
Yes, or else wise.
Wait I just found out. Else wise isn’t normal in America! I am flabbergasted!! I always grew up thinking it was. 😆
Yes, in America, where the “we” that you include yourself in, resides.
Honestly, was a bit hesitant to help you realize the holes in your grift by highlighting them, but I do appreciate that you are at least willing to learn, you absolute scoundrel you.
Don’t worry though, plenty of other obvious, repeated mistakes in your regular prose, that I haven’t pointed out here, that also 100% give you away as you attempt to deceive folks.
Oh well! Further Innovative!
Why do you assume I’m ever trying to deceive people? Everything I say is what I mean. I refuse to lie to anyone. If you can’t believe that American’s have different ways of speaking is odd with how broad of a country this is. I not only have autism but am influenced by as I said Norse and Chinese Culture. I do assume though by seeing the way you engage. You live in a relatively small ideal possibly even hinting at Abrahamic Culture. As most Christians at least in my experience show this level of ignorance and lack of respect for a diverse culture and community. Also I want to ask that as before I saw you quoted Meng Tian, possibly to mock the idea of me being a pupil. I ask you to respect this idea or at least him. As many throughout the world understand and know he is a grand innovator and military genius. From every corner of the world!
Can I ask why are you going after little red book compared to other companies. Like while yes they may mine phone numbers but many many other platforms do it. Though Little Red Book encourages people not to share facial recognition data and you don’t need to, to use their app. They aren’t perfect and no app is but I feel much more inclined to use their app when there’s even a slight warning about sharing certain data compared to others that don’t care.
Also tell me what’s not already online somewhere??? Location, Phone Number, Favourite things all already shared because we agreed! Also honestly I doubt any negative would happen with any data unless someone was against the Chinese government, was extremely rude to the natives of the app or else wise. Which to me seems incredibly fair.
Oh boy…
Ohhh boy? Can we try and keep the conversation flowing and meaningful whether disagreeing or else wise. Don’t get me wrong I’m not saying China or any other countries are perfect but of what I’ve seen. They aren’t the enemies the west portrays them to be. Including in my case I am the pupil of Meng Tian’s History. Further innovative and meaningful change.
Yes. Very “we” and very “us”, exact sentiment and phrase choices. It’s exactly like I’m speaking to an exact, accurate American person, just like me.
Sorry to inform, but you’re not doing great at the whole undercover thing here… I hope your supervisor doesn’t review this specific thread to evaluate your ability. Not really hitting the mark here… fellow American, typing on a Canadian keyboard.
With such accurate and compelling work though, you could probably write copy for product packaging in Chinese manufacturing facilities exporting low prices goods to the US? Or maybe you could design those t-shirts Chinese teens will wear with American phrases, that don’t quite pass the test - Further innovative!!!
I have no supervisor for one and secondly I barely know any mandarin. I am looking to learn after getting on Little Red Book but only know a few words now. Can I ask you to clarify why having a different typing and phrasing choices make me non American. Including I’m southern 😆
Also are you deflecting trying to discredit who am due to not agreeing with my statement. Also I will admit how I speak is drastically different and my grammar may not be the best but that doesn’t make me any less American. Not like I want to be American as currently, America’s trajectory seems to be off target for bettering societal evolution but that is not why we are here discussing. Can I ask either answer the questions above or actually engage with my earlier comments. I have spoken. Either way you comply and add to a conversation meaningful or forever hold your peace.
PS I’d love to visit China honestly sometime the videos on Little Red Book are so beautiful but upcoming my nomadic life style will start. Also I would have no supervisor. In this case I would only ally and be hired under a vision not a military.
I think one of the response comments in the linked thread of yours, a response similar to all responses to your expressed ideas, rightly expresses concern for you and your current state. Helpful context for considering your opinions - Further innovative!
lemmy.world/post/24157162
Can you explain further why you concerned for me and my state? I would like to say if you mentioning “My State” in case related to mental health. While yes I have Bipolar and else wise. I have been analyzed by a psychiatrist and have been told with confidence. My experiences do not match delusional thinking or schizophrenia. While I can’t tell if you exactly hinted at this. I’ve seen time and time again people assume mental health without being educated or professionally trained to understand the complex dynamics of mental health. Now there is more to this and I understand that so please I’d love to hear your thoughts and perspectives.
Also what do you think? The PS, China was mentioned and I mentioned China?
People like you really don’t get it. You can’t wrap your head around people not caring about their data.
There are people DYING because they don’t have access to affordable healthcare. There are families forced to live in section 8 housing because they can’t afford to feed their family and have a place to live at the same time. Our children are DYING in school while the police sit outside and watch. WE DONT GIVE A FUCK ABOUT OUR DATA.
This whole debacle should infuriate every single American. 85% of congress voted to disenfranchise 150 MILLION Americans. These assholes can’t agree on anything but they can agree on this. It’s a travesty that our elected officials can spoon feed you some bullshit about China and you forget how they don’t care about you.
And people like you don’t get that the worsening of all those problems will only accelerate under Trump’s corrupt plutocracy.
You don’t realize how your data not being secure contributes to all of the problems you list.
I imagine the issue is that you think “your data” means that list of your “5 favorite types of hats” you posted yesterday or that mp3 of dogs barking happy birthday on your phone - yes, that is data, but it’s not really what we’re talking about here. Your data collectively, in a profile that is bought and sold, is like your DNA - it is the blueprint to exactly who you are, where/why you are weak and when/how to manipulate you.
I appreciate your passion, but your blind rage here is misplaced and frankly, your position is severely ignorant of the reality you’re currently operating in, in several key areas. You also seem to have wholly constructed an adversarial relationship here where you try to frame me as in support of our Congress, I am not. I don’t agree with how this bill was assembled, lobbied or passed in Congress. I do understand some of the nuance though, so I consider that. As I’ve said, after trump introduced a tiktok ban as a pure racist distraction without any actual substance, republican think tanks took the ball and engineered this situation as a trap, so they could attack either outcome from democrats (because they are feckless, grifting cowards). Key tactic within that strategy was when Republicans held Ukraine aid hostage on the condition that they wouldn’t approve spend unless the tiktok bill was allowed as well. So Congress reluctantly passed it, and Biden signed it and then he made an official statement that he or his administration would not enforce it (essentially saying, we were forced into this bullshit). So at that point, you’re talking about innocent human lives under an active terrorist attack from Russia in the balance.
Again, there’s a lot here you don’t understand it seems. I welcome you to breathe a bit, slow down and have a discussion. Happy to chat if you need.
Sorry to be a pedant about little things, but while you’re fixing typos, it’s “aid” not “aide”. I just mention it because it really changes the sense of “holding aid hostage.”
Not at all. I can’t say if autocorrect did this or my own mistake, but either way should be corrected now. Thank you for the note.
I’m not saying everything you’re saying here is correct but, this is exactly how a lot of people I know feel. What the replies to your comments aren’t understanding is that emotions are often stronger than facts. The average American has no idea how things work but they do know how they feel about them not working. That’s the reason they all have no problem handing over all their data.
Personally I would’ve gone with a Protection Racket metaphor.
GOOD! I’m looking Forward to Trump RESTORING this App that he said was CHYNESE SPYWARE being used to Hurt Americans!
I mean it is just so so dumb. Have people really got that short term memory that no one remembers who pushed for this in the first place?!
Yes.
The AP is supposed to be a neutral source, but they are decidedly right leaning.
There is clear, relevant reporting to be done on how odd the structure of all this is and that the app’s self imposed shutdown message specifically praised trump, by name. They buried a photo of it, but I don’t see direct text in the article discussing that. They also don’t mention the fact that the CEO had been privately meeting with trump recently.
They say Biden had a part in the ban, though he said publicly he would not enforce it - what matters there, that AP doesn’t mention, is that the republicans held humanitarian aide to Ukraine hostage back in April, saying they’d block unless the tick tok ban was passed. Laying the groundwork for this hollow attempt to “blame Biden” and position trump as a solution (to a problem he instigated and that republican think tanks engineered).
They do say the CEO will attend and have a “prime seating location” but not clarifying that the seats he’ll be in are typically reserved for living past US presidents.
Fucking joke.
You’re making an important point here, but it’s somewhat undermined by the fact that your rogue auto[in]correct needs to be taken out behind the barn and shot.
Ha, wonderful! Corrected, thanks for pointing that out.
Note: I had to manually correct the auto"correct" for just about every word on that small sentence above (and in this note)
So your defense of Biden signing the ban is that he had to because it was tied to arming far-right Nazis in Europe? And you think this is a good argument?
Oh boy…
The fix is in, and TikTok is now just another implement in Trump and Elon’s disinformation machine. Crazy times, our country is literally being run by the top social media platforms.
Yes, before this it was run by regular media platforms.
Social media is way more efficient though. Like, almost incomparable.
Goebbels would be proud.
Key word being “literally”
Did you do your part to vote against Trump?
This is more like, yet another PR flattery stunt, that Trump enjoyed in his first term too. Unclear that it means Tik Tok is going to help him get a 3rd term, or censor criticism of him.
Can you walk me through that? You think that Trump’s team coordinated with Biden to make him sign the ban for Trump’s benefit?
I understanding is that Biden didn’t actually sign the binding to law.
Then you’re not informed.
What a useful and helpful comment thank you for contributing
Do you not remember Trump being the driving force of banning it on his first term?
It the fact he is requiring them to give over a 50% stake of the company for unnamed us owners?
Yes, I remember that. The Israeli lobby has been pushing both parties to do it.
But how is the Trump team responsible for the Biden team following through and actually doing it?
Pre-election, it was a concern for all lawmakers that IDF soldiers showing off their genocide, or Palestinian sympathizers angry about genocide should not be able to embarass the US to young people. Congress voted to “force sale” of TikTok, and Biden signed law many months ago. Minuchin/Zionist groups offered to buy Tik Tok without the algorithm just so they could fully complete the zionist monopoly of news/media through censorship power. After the election, zionist supremacism media exposure doesn’t matter anymore. US/Israel gets to do what they want to do, and explicit Trump/GOP supporters do not hand wring over Islamophobia.
Biden did say after SCC ruling, that he would not enforce anything, and Apple/Google could have avoided removing from app stores. But Tik Tok went dark anyway, with specific message, imploring glorious new leader’s “progressiveness” on not hating Americans for the complete BS that was the ban fiasco. Even if bipartisan zionist congress voted for ban, with explicit justification that Israel needs to be given a better image to young people, it is flattery to Trump to make this all balmed on dark Brandon.
So again, Biden made an unforced error. How did the Trump team make him do it?
Tik Tok is just flattering Trump by saying he will save the US from Biden. The SCC case decided just last Friday, with Biden promissing not to enforce it, were events that unfolded by their own inertia. Tik Tok users by definition not wanting the ban, is the political probletunity that Tik Tok can deliver to Trump as a win for him, through flattery. It’s only an error, with no political gains, after election is decided to zionist glee.
All Trump’s order does is protect TikTok from the fines and liability. If Biden didn’t intend to enforce, he could’ve done the same. He didn’t.
ok. He just said “it will be on a Sunday, with Monday holiday. Just let Trump decide everything.” I did not really know about the “fines provision”, but a mix of PR stunt, and clarity on being scot free, can still have some political basis. There will now be politics about Trump being pro Chinese disinformation, while social media users are grateful to not be banned, and even if that is slam dunk politics in congress, it doesn’t actually play for the “fascist side” on this issue.
Because they play for the same team
Yep. You’re not wrong.
Iranian hostages anyone? Look how trump saved the day. He gives them their bread and circuses.
Marvel Snap is still down. Like the 1980s we nerds don’t matter.
ETA: As of 11:16pm, PST, 2025-01-20, Snap’s been up for a few hours but it’s still not accessible on the Apple Store or Google Play.
Ah you pussies. Come on, show them you’re serious. Go dark again. Show them you really mean it and do the rest of the territories too. Forever.