BearOfaTime@lemm.ee
on 25 Nov 2024 16:02
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Wait, a supposedly federate-able, but at the moment centrally-controlled social media app isn’t following the rules?
I’m shocked, shocked I say!
(Yes, sarcasm).
I think it’s funny all the people leaving Twitter for Bluesky since Twitter’s been clearly exposed for the shit hole it’s always been. As if it’s shittiness is new, and any other similar system won’t be as bad.
It’s not systems, it’s people.
Systems can contribute to making things worse (or better), but they aren’t the source.
ericbomb@lemmy.world
on 25 Nov 2024 18:23
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From the article (different paragrpahs)
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“All platforms in the EU . . . have to have a dedicated page on their website where it says how many users they have in the EU and where they are legally established,” said commission spokesman Thomas Regnier. “This is not the case for Bluesky as of today. This is not followed.”
Regnier said the commission, the EU’s executive arm, had written to the 27 national governments to see “if they can find any trace of Bluesky” such as identifying a EU-based office. It has not yet contacted the company directly, he added.
“The commission cannot regulate Bluesky directly as it does not yet reach the threshold of more than 45mn monthly users in the EU to be designated a very large online platform. But Regnier said that if member states could identify a EU-based representative for the company, Brussels would “reach out to Bluesky”.”
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The head line is nonsense. They are not in the EU and they don’t have over 45 million users in the EU. So the rules in no way apply to them.
andrew_bidlaw@sh.itjust.works
on 25 Nov 2024 18:28
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Do they only bark on someone small or they can stand up and put Twitter to the same standard?
ericbomb@lemmy.world
on 25 Nov 2024 18:37
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Haha, they have been trying to tell Twitter to do things, with some law suits out.
Which is why members of the US government are now threatening to leave NATO if they continue to bully twitter, since Elon is in charge of a quarter of our government.
andrew_bidlaw@sh.itjust.works
on 25 Nov 2024 18:48
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Yeah, I know that, I’m just all for taking one thing at a time, first thing being Twitter.
lvxferre@mander.xyz
on 25 Nov 2024 17:09
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[Bluesky] is in breach of EU regulations for not disclosing key details about the group […] “All platforms in the EU . . . have to have a dedicated page on their website where it says how many users they have in the EU and where they are legally established,”
The commission cannot regulate Bluesky directly as it does not yet reach the threshold of more than 45mn monthly users in the EU to be designated a very large online platform.
So, basically: it isn’t there yet because it isn’t necessary yet.
…as suspicious as I am of Bluesky, the title of the article is kind of misleading.
Bluesky is too busy RP-ing as federated to be actually federated.
RecursiveParadox@lemmy.world
on 25 Nov 2024 20:12
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Hey, if they get traction, it’s a start.
ericbomb@lemmy.world
on 25 Nov 2024 18:30
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Also in the article:
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Regnier said the commission, the EU’s executive arm, had written to the 27 national governments to see “if they can find any trace of Bluesky” such as identifying a EU-based office. It has not yet contacted the company directly, he added.
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Like this is so nonsensical. Talking to press about a company having broken a rule even though they are not under your jurisdiction, but you haven’t bothered to contact yet, is just wild.
If they reached out and said “Hey, before you reach these metrics you need to fulfill these requirements” and bluesky told them to pound sand, that’d be good to know.
But “Company who doesn’t have to follow a rule is not following the rule, and we’d like them to, but haven’t told them we’d like them to” is not news.
It doesn't matter if BlueSky has or hasn't EU offices, if EU citizens are allowed to use their service, then they have to abide by GDPR, DSA and other EU regulations.
General_Effort@lemmy.world
on 25 Nov 2024 21:16
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That’s not correct. The FT has not explained this clearly.
If an online platform has more than 45 million monthly users (~10% of EU population) then it is classified as a Very Large Online Platform. In that case, the Commission can directly make rules for it.
If it has fewer users, then it is still regulated by the Digital Services Act (DSA). The DSA claims jurisdiction over all platforms that have users in the EU. Among other things, they need to have a representative in the EU (IIUC). FWIW I’m pretty sure that lemmy is not compliant either.
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Wait, a supposedly federate-able, but at the moment centrally-controlled social media app isn’t following the rules?
I’m shocked, shocked I say!
(Yes, sarcasm).
I think it’s funny all the people leaving Twitter for Bluesky since Twitter’s been clearly exposed for the shit hole it’s always been. As if it’s shittiness is new, and any other similar system won’t be as bad.
It’s not systems, it’s people.
Systems can contribute to making things worse (or better), but they aren’t the source.
From the article (different paragrpahs) " “All platforms in the EU . . . have to have a dedicated page on their website where it says how many users they have in the EU and where they are legally established,” said commission spokesman Thomas Regnier. “This is not the case for Bluesky as of today. This is not followed.”
Regnier said the commission, the EU’s executive arm, had written to the 27 national governments to see “if they can find any trace of Bluesky” such as identifying a EU-based office. It has not yet contacted the company directly, he added.
“The commission cannot regulate Bluesky directly as it does not yet reach the threshold of more than 45mn monthly users in the EU to be designated a very large online platform. But Regnier said that if member states could identify a EU-based representative for the company, Brussels would “reach out to Bluesky”.” "
The head line is nonsense. They are not in the EU and they don’t have over 45 million users in the EU. So the rules in no way apply to them.
Do they only bark on someone small or they can stand up and put Twitter to the same standard?
Haha, they have been trying to tell Twitter to do things, with some law suits out.
Which is why members of the US government are now threatening to leave NATO if they continue to bully twitter, since Elon is in charge of a quarter of our government.
Yeah, I know that, I’m just all for taking one thing at a time, first thing being Twitter.
So, basically: it isn’t there yet because it isn’t necessary yet.
…as suspicious as I am of Bluesky, the title of the article is kind of misleading.
I feel like this is easily solved by decentralization. if only bluesy was decentralized.
Bluesky is too busy RP-ing as federated to be actually federated.
Hey, if they get traction, it’s a start.
Also in the article: " Regnier said the commission, the EU’s executive arm, had written to the 27 national governments to see “if they can find any trace of Bluesky” such as identifying a EU-based office. It has not yet contacted the company directly, he added. "
Like this is so nonsensical. Talking to press about a company having broken a rule even though they are not under your jurisdiction, but you haven’t bothered to contact yet, is just wild.
If they reached out and said “Hey, before you reach these metrics you need to fulfill these requirements” and bluesky told them to pound sand, that’d be good to know.
But “Company who doesn’t have to follow a rule is not following the rule, and we’d like them to, but haven’t told them we’d like them to” is not news.
It doesn't matter if BlueSky has or hasn't EU offices, if EU citizens are allowed to use their service, then they have to abide by GDPR, DSA and other EU regulations.
That’s not correct. The FT has not explained this clearly.
If an online platform has more than 45 million monthly users (~10% of EU population) then it is classified as a Very Large Online Platform. In that case, the Commission can directly make rules for it.
If it has fewer users, then it is still regulated by the Digital Services Act (DSA). The DSA claims jurisdiction over all platforms that have users in the EU. Among other things, they need to have a representative in the EU (IIUC). FWIW I’m pretty sure that lemmy is not compliant either.
DSA: eur-lex.europa.eu/legal-content/EN/TXT/?uri=CELEX…
I think you need to not be a small enterprise to fall under those rules.
You’d need more than 50 employees or EUR 10m in turnover. Each Lemmy server would likely count individually.
Micro and small enterprises are excepted from some rules but far from all.
I think that lemmy servers would count individually, as well, but it is not guaranteed. In any case, that comes with its own problems.
Thanks for the additional info. The article is a mess.
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They are already enshittifying with a premium monetization plan.
I mean, how would you like them to monetize?
What they are planning sounds similar to discord nitro, which I think is fine.