French agency says the iPhone 12 emits too much radiation, tells Apple to withdraw it (abcnews.go.com)
from ZeroCool@feddit.ch to technology@lemmy.world on 13 Sep 2023 09:43
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Haha@lemmy.world on 13 Sep 2023 10:09 next collapse

French agency oh Noooooooo 😂😂😂

[deleted] on 13 Sep 2023 10:27 next collapse

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ZeroCool@feddit.ch on 13 Sep 2023 10:47 next collapse

“Yes”

[deleted] on 13 Sep 2023 18:46 collapse

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SomethingBurger@jlai.lu on 13 Sep 2023 11:00 collapse

Electromagnetic waves are radiation, yes.

Earthwormjim91@lemmy.world on 13 Sep 2023 15:30 collapse

Sure. All EM waves are radiation, including visible light.

Non ionizing radiation isn’t an issue though so nobody uses “radiation” for it. When you say “radiation” that’s pretty much always talking about ionizing radiation from radioactive sources.

The iPhone does not emit any ionizing radiation.

HeartyBeast@kbin.social on 13 Sep 2023 11:00 next collapse

The agency said the iPhone 12 met the threshold when radiation levels were assessed for a phone kept in a jacket or in a bag.

Free bumpers incoming

AccurstDemon@sopuli.xyz on 13 Sep 2023 11:01 next collapse

Electromagnetic radiation, as in visible light, radio signals or as this Iphone has a fucking RMBK melting its core inside?

Someone has a link to those test they performed to claim this?

I call it bullshit

huginn@feddit.it on 13 Sep 2023 11:20 next collapse

Microwaves. It’s microwaves.

Phones are slightly above FM radio and slightly below microwaves in terms of wavelength.

They’re a non-ionizing radiation emitter.

The radiation emitted by phones ain’t gonna hurt ya.

AccurstDemon@sopuli.xyz on 13 Sep 2023 11:38 next collapse

Yeah that’s what I thought… non-ionizing radiation fear, once again.

huginn@feddit.it on 13 Sep 2023 16:30 collapse

I had a neighbor in Paris who would knock on our door and tell us to turn off the wi-fi because he was allergic.

To wifi.

Krompus@lemmy.world on 13 Sep 2023 20:48 collapse

en.wikipedia.org/…/Electromagnetic_hypersensitivi…

pinkwerdo@lemmy.world on 13 Sep 2023 21:05 collapse

Bro thinks he is Chuck McGill 🗿🗿🗿

umbraroze@kbin.social on 13 Sep 2023 11:59 next collapse

That's right! However, remember that bananas have potassium-40 in it, which is radioactive. Not much, though. So be very very mildly careful around bananaphones! /old joke

isthingoneventhis@lemmy.world on 13 Sep 2023 12:08 next collapse

Back in the early 00s there was this wave of “phones give you cancer” panic and my friends father made them put on this stupid sticker on the back of their phone to “stop the radiation”. Anyways it was stupid and your comment reminded me of it xD

Shard@lemmy.world on 13 Sep 2023 13:38 next collapse

You take that back!

I had a sticker that had flashing LEDs powered solely on the radiation coming from the phone. It was awesome.

Noodle07@lemmy.world on 13 Sep 2023 16:04 collapse

OK now THAT is cool

[deleted] on 13 Sep 2023 18:05 next collapse

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isthingoneventhis@lemmy.world on 13 Sep 2023 19:02 next collapse

I thiiiiiiink this was fear mongering in line with the whole uh… Hannity? Whatever that maniacs name was who has/had the AM station. Basically the pre-fox republican mouthpiece.

[deleted] on 13 Sep 2023 19:05 next collapse

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isthingoneventhis@lemmy.world on 13 Sep 2023 22:09 collapse

No this was on AM radio 0: my mom specifically listened to him on AM because idk he was too radical or whatever for FM? lol idk how it works, but they have been at it for a long while.

Capricorny90210@lemmy.world on 14 Sep 2023 05:39 collapse

George Norry?

isthingoneventhis@lemmy.world on 14 Sep 2023 06:52 collapse

Someone else suggested Rush Limbaugh in a different comment and it is ringing a bell, I’m thinking it was him?

Capricorny90210@lemmy.world on 14 Sep 2023 18:36 collapse

Ah ok I see. I just remembered he had the coast to coast AM radio station, and he got into some wacky stuff.

FoxyFerengi@lemm.ee on 13 Sep 2023 19:53 collapse

Are you thinking of Rush Limbaugh? Who later actually died of (lung) cancer because he wouldn’t stop smoking?

isthingoneventhis@lemmy.world on 13 Sep 2023 22:05 collapse

Uhhhhhhh I’ve mostly blocked it out, but maybe? It was just some dude that yelled a lot and I vividly remember being in the car when the soliders or whatever had recently been beheaded (it was on the news cycle?), and he was like “hrrr drrr people are trying to keep the truth away from 'mericans!” so he aired part of the audio clip of them being beheaded???!?!

idk it was fucked.

FlyingSquid@lemmy.world on 14 Sep 2023 08:58 collapse

RFK Jr. is still making that crazy claim.

Kobrah@kbin.social on 14 Sep 2023 05:05 collapse

My grandad still only uses his phone on loud speaker because of this

db2@sopuli.xyz on 13 Sep 2023 12:16 next collapse

Ring ring ring ring ring

cloud@lazysoci.al on 13 Sep 2023 19:41 next collapse

Also remember that plants have been around before humans and that we evolved to resist natural radiations. We haven’t evolved yet to be around devices that produces more radiations than the limit agreed by scientists

Buddahriffic@lemmy.world on 14 Sep 2023 00:43 collapse

Radioactive bananas is a relatively new thing resulting from all the nuclear bomb testing that went on from the 40s in to the 90s.

FlyingSquid@lemmy.world on 14 Sep 2023 08:58 collapse

Great, now I have to go listen to the fucking song. Thanks.

gaael@lemmy.world on 13 Sep 2023 12:36 next collapse

I seem to remember it was not a ionization issue but something with local temperatures increases around the ear when you were using it without an earset.

Anyway, Apples knows what the norms are, decided not to care, gets caught and has to retire a phone, nothing exceptional here.

marmarama@lemmy.world on 13 Sep 2023 13:25 next collapse

I doubt they’d have to retire the phone - digital radio power levels are normally pretty easy to change in the radio firmware. Which also means it’s pretty easy to change, intentionally or unintentionally, in a later OS version.

Perhaps Apple chose to cheat to improve reception after mandatory testing was complete and the phone was available to buy, figuring they’d never get caught out. Perhaps Apple didn’t retest with later OS versions and it was unintentional. We will probably never know.

[deleted] on 13 Sep 2023 13:30 next collapse

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Tetsuo@jlai.lu on 13 Sep 2023 13:50 collapse

They could have changed things through updates which exacerbated the issue and made the modem emit more.

I have no clue if that is why but that would be my bet.

I’m kind of surprised they would have been able to release the device and ship it to customers with that issue in the first place.

eee@lemm.ee on 13 Sep 2023 14:01 collapse

3.8 roentgen. Not great, not terrible.

TenderfootGungi@lemmy.world on 13 Sep 2023 17:24 next collapse

This is likely mostly true, but there is evidence brain tumor rates went up when handheld cell phones came into widespread use.

ForgotAboutDre@lemmy.world on 13 Sep 2023 18:40 next collapse

Detection of brain tumour also went up, due to increased capacity of MRIs/CT scans.

TheFonz@lemmy.world on 14 Sep 2023 05:21 collapse

Also more marvel movies came out. It’s interesting how often we have to repeat the correlation/causation joke and people still struggle with it.

cloud@lazysoci.al on 13 Sep 2023 19:36 next collapse

Can’t you read? The article says the EU has a limit of 4 watts per kilogram and the device produces more than that. Scientists agreed on that limit.

obinice@lemmy.world on 14 Sep 2023 05:45 collapse

How is it 2023, when everybody uses microwave radios for communication constantly, and there are still people that don’t understand the absolute basics, like the difference between radio/light radiation and ionising radiation? And how important transmit power is to how dangerous or not a radio wave is?

They do teach this stuff in schools still, right?

It boggles my mind. It’s not some complex difficult topic, it’s like not knowing how electricity works, or how your body works. This is basic child level knowledge that everybody interacts with every single day, so it behoves them to understand it at least at an introductory level.

MotoAsh@lemmy.world on 13 Sep 2023 13:08 next collapse

I call BS on you understanding what radiation is…

kabe@lemmy.world on 13 Sep 2023 13:56 next collapse

To be fair, it’s not completely made-up. There is a body of evidence that suggests that even non-ionizing EM radiation may have so-called “biological effects” in humans.

Organizations like the Environmental Health Trust have been banging the “cellphones cause infertility and cancer” drum for years, and cites numerous studies on their website.

Of course, much of this research is of questionable relevance to real-world use cases involving actual phones and actual humans as opposed to, say, a bunch of rats being exposed to low-power microwaves in a lab for hours on end, but it exists nonetheless.

huginn@feddit.it on 13 Sep 2023 16:33 next collapse

Environmental Health Trust is a single issue organization founded to specifically claim that radio waves are dangerous.

They are alarmists bereft of credible arguments and should be treated as such.

kabe@lemmy.world on 13 Sep 2023 16:52 next collapse

Certainly, but the existence of this research is why countries like France are taking this precautionary approach.

huginn@feddit.it on 13 Sep 2023 17:24 collapse

There is research that exists suggesting that the Nazis are currently plotting their return from a moon base.

France should take the precautionary approach of nuking the dark side of the moon.

Equally valid.

kabe@lemmy.world on 13 Sep 2023 19:17 collapse

I get that you’re trying to be funny, but no they’re not exactly “equally valid”.

The WHO lists RF waves (including those from cellphones) under category Group 2B of possible carcinogens, along with a bunch of other stuff.

Are they being overly cautious? Almost certainly, yes. However, the idea is not inherently ridiculous.

cloud@lazysoci.al on 13 Sep 2023 19:44 collapse

Meanwhile apple and chinese factories have 0 interests in shadowing researches that could put in danger their biggest source of income

fadhl3y@lemmy.world on 14 Sep 2023 08:37 collapse

EHTrust are mad as a box of frogs. They claim that phones cause cancer, which is something that all major cancer research charities dispute. Nothing they say can be taken seriously.

ubermeisters@lemmy.world on 13 Sep 2023 14:25 collapse

Are you one of those people that doesn’t believe in “science”, or are you having kind of a dumb day?

lolcatnip@reddthat.com on 13 Sep 2023 15:48 collapse

Are you?

IWantToFuckSpez@kbin.social on 13 Sep 2023 11:13 next collapse

Meanwhile French nuclear reactors …

Skua@kbin.social on 13 Sep 2023 11:30 collapse

Are not typically held directly against your head

hddsx@lemmy.ca on 13 Sep 2023 11:46 next collapse

Only in a jacket or bag. I love my new pocket nuclear reactor. It’s the smallest nuclear reactor ever, and I think you’re going to love it

TheGreatFox@lemm.ee on 13 Sep 2023 12:08 collapse

Hey, don’t kink shame. Some people like pressing their heads against french nuclear reactors.

Honytawk@lemmy.zip on 14 Sep 2023 10:35 collapse

Finally someone I can come out to.

I’m a reactor licker, and proud of it.

The taste is so energetic!

kokesh@lemmy.world on 13 Sep 2023 11:44 next collapse

France is really a strange country

supercriticalcheese@feddit.it on 13 Sep 2023 13:53 collapse

Oui

Noodle07@lemmy.world on 13 Sep 2023 16:06 collapse

C’est pas faux

Nioxic@lemmy.dbzer0.com on 13 Sep 2023 13:26 collapse

Eh

That took them 3 years? Lol

Vineyard8927@lemmy.world on 13 Sep 2023 17:18 collapse

They suspect it was increased with a software update because it was ok before the recent tests.