SomethingBurger@jlai.lu
on 13 Sep 2023 11:00
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Electromagnetic waves are radiation, yes.
Earthwormjim91@lemmy.world
on 13 Sep 2023 15:30
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Sure. All EM waves are radiation, including visible light.
Non ionizing radiation isnât an issue though so nobody uses âradiationâ for it. When you say âradiationâ thatâs pretty much always talking about ionizing radiation from radioactive sources.
The iPhone does not emit any ionizing radiation.
HeartyBeast@kbin.social
on 13 Sep 2023 11:00
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The agency said the iPhone 12 met the threshold when radiation levels were assessed for a phone kept in a jacket or in a bag.
Free bumpers incoming
AccurstDemon@sopuli.xyz
on 13 Sep 2023 11:01
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Electromagnetic radiation, as in visible light, radio signals or as this Iphone has a fucking RMBK melting its core inside?
Someone has a link to those test they performed to claim this?
I call it bullshit
huginn@feddit.it
on 13 Sep 2023 11:20
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Microwaves. Itâs microwaves.
Phones are slightly above FM radio and slightly below microwaves in terms of wavelength.
Theyâre a non-ionizing radiation emitter.
The radiation emitted by phones ainât gonna hurt ya.
AccurstDemon@sopuli.xyz
on 13 Sep 2023 11:38
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Yeah thatâs what I thought⌠non-ionizing radiation fear, once again.
pinkwerdo@lemmy.world
on 13 Sep 2023 21:05
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Bro thinks he is Chuck McGill đżđżđż
umbraroze@kbin.social
on 13 Sep 2023 11:59
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That's right! However, remember that bananas have potassium-40 in it, which is radioactive. Not much, though. So be very very mildly careful around bananaphones! /old joke
isthingoneventhis@lemmy.world
on 13 Sep 2023 12:08
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Back in the early 00s there was this wave of âphones give you cancerâ panic and my friends father made them put on this stupid sticker on the back of their phone to âstop the radiationâ. Anyways it was stupid and your comment reminded me of it xD
Shard@lemmy.world
on 13 Sep 2023 13:38
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You take that back!
I had a sticker that had flashing LEDs powered solely on the radiation coming from the phone. It was awesome.
Noodle07@lemmy.world
on 13 Sep 2023 16:04
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isthingoneventhis@lemmy.world
on 13 Sep 2023 19:02
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I thiiiiiiink this was fear mongering in line with the whole uh⌠Hannity? Whatever that maniacs name was who has/had the AM station. Basically the pre-fox republican mouthpiece.
isthingoneventhis@lemmy.world
on 13 Sep 2023 22:09
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No this was on AM radio 0: my mom specifically listened to him on AM because idk he was too radical or whatever for FM? lol idk how it works, but they have been at it for a long while.
Capricorny90210@lemmy.world
on 14 Sep 2023 05:39
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George Norry?
isthingoneventhis@lemmy.world
on 14 Sep 2023 06:52
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Someone else suggested Rush Limbaugh in a different comment and it is ringing a bell, Iâm thinking it was him?
Capricorny90210@lemmy.world
on 14 Sep 2023 18:36
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Ah ok I see. I just remembered he had the coast to coast AM radio station, and he got into some wacky stuff.
Are you thinking of Rush Limbaugh? Who later actually died of (lung) cancer because he wouldnât stop smoking?
isthingoneventhis@lemmy.world
on 13 Sep 2023 22:05
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Uhhhhhhh Iâve mostly blocked it out, but maybe? It was just some dude that yelled a lot and I vividly remember being in the car when the soliders or whatever had recently been beheaded (it was on the news cycle?), and he was like âhrrr drrr people are trying to keep the truth away from 'mericans!â so he aired part of the audio clip of them being beheaded???!?!
idk it was fucked.
FlyingSquid@lemmy.world
on 14 Sep 2023 08:58
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cloud@lazysoci.al
on 13 Sep 2023 19:41
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Also remember that plants have been around before humans and that we evolved to resist natural radiations. We havenât evolved yet to be around devices that produces more radiations than the limit agreed by scientists
Buddahriffic@lemmy.world
on 14 Sep 2023 00:43
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Radioactive bananas is a relatively new thing resulting from all the nuclear bomb testing that went on from the 40s in to the 90s.
FlyingSquid@lemmy.world
on 14 Sep 2023 08:58
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Great, now I have to go listen to the fucking song. Thanks.
gaael@lemmy.world
on 13 Sep 2023 12:36
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I seem to remember it was not a ionization issue but something with local temperatures increases around the ear when you were using it without an earset.
Anyway, Apples knows what the norms are, decided not to care, gets caught and has to retire a phone, nothing exceptional here.
marmarama@lemmy.world
on 13 Sep 2023 13:25
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I doubt theyâd have to retire the phone - digital radio power levels are normally pretty easy to change in the radio firmware. Which also means itâs pretty easy to change, intentionally or unintentionally, in a later OS version.
Perhaps Apple chose to cheat to improve reception after mandatory testing was complete and the phone was available to buy, figuring theyâd never get caught out. Perhaps Apple didnât retest with later OS versions and it was unintentional. We will probably never know.
How is it 2023, when everybody uses microwave radios for communication constantly, and there are still people that donât understand the absolute basics, like the difference between radio/light radiation and ionising radiation? And how important transmit power is to how dangerous or not a radio wave is?
They do teach this stuff in schools still, right?
It boggles my mind. Itâs not some complex difficult topic, itâs like not knowing how electricity works, or how your body works. This is basic child level knowledge that everybody interacts with every single day, so it behoves them to understand it at least at an introductory level.
MotoAsh@lemmy.world
on 13 Sep 2023 13:08
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I call BS on you understanding what radiation isâŚ
kabe@lemmy.world
on 13 Sep 2023 13:56
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To be fair, itâs not completely made-up. There is a body of evidence that suggests that even non-ionizing EM radiation may have so-called âbiological effectsâ in humans.
Organizations like the Environmental Health Trust have been banging the âcellphones cause infertility and cancerâ drum for years, and cites numerous studies on their website.
Of course, much of this research is of questionable relevance to real-world use cases involving actual phones and actual humans as opposed to, say, a bunch of rats being exposed to low-power microwaves in a lab for hours on end, but it exists nonetheless.
huginn@feddit.it
on 13 Sep 2023 16:33
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Environmental Health Trust is a single issue organization founded to specifically claim that radio waves are dangerous.
EHTrust are mad as a box of frogs. They claim that phones cause cancer, which is something that all major cancer research charities dispute. Nothing they say can be taken seriously.
ubermeisters@lemmy.world
on 13 Sep 2023 14:25
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Are you one of those people that doesnât believe in âscienceâ, or are you having kind of a dumb day?
lolcatnip@reddthat.com
on 13 Sep 2023 15:48
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Are you?
IWantToFuckSpez@kbin.social
on 13 Sep 2023 11:13
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threaded - newest
French agency oh Noooooooo đđđ
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âYesâ
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Electromagnetic waves are radiation, yes.
Sure. All EM waves are radiation, including visible light.
Non ionizing radiation isnât an issue though so nobody uses âradiationâ for it. When you say âradiationâ thatâs pretty much always talking about ionizing radiation from radioactive sources.
The iPhone does not emit any ionizing radiation.
Free bumpers incoming
Electromagnetic radiation, as in visible light, radio signals or as this Iphone has a fucking RMBK melting its core inside?
Someone has a link to those test they performed to claim this?
I call it bullshit
Microwaves. Itâs microwaves.
Phones are slightly above FM radio and slightly below microwaves in terms of wavelength.
Theyâre a non-ionizing radiation emitter.
The radiation emitted by phones ainât gonna hurt ya.
Yeah thatâs what I thought⌠non-ionizing radiation fear, once again.
I had a neighbor in Paris who would knock on our door and tell us to turn off the wi-fi because he was allergic.
To wifi.
en.wikipedia.org/âŚ/Electromagnetic_hypersensitiviâŚ
Bro thinks he is Chuck McGill đżđżđż
That's right! However, remember that bananas have potassium-40 in it, which is radioactive. Not much, though. So be very very mildly careful around bananaphones! /old joke
Back in the early 00s there was this wave of âphones give you cancerâ panic and my friends father made them put on this stupid sticker on the back of their phone to âstop the radiationâ. Anyways it was stupid and your comment reminded me of it xD
You take that back!
I had a sticker that had flashing LEDs powered solely on the radiation coming from the phone. It was awesome.
OK now THAT is cool
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I thiiiiiiink this was fear mongering in line with the whole uh⌠Hannity? Whatever that maniacs name was who has/had the AM station. Basically the pre-fox republican mouthpiece.
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No this was on AM radio 0: my mom specifically listened to him on AM because idk he was too radical or whatever for FM? lol idk how it works, but they have been at it for a long while.
George Norry?
Someone else suggested Rush Limbaugh in a different comment and it is ringing a bell, Iâm thinking it was him?
Ah ok I see. I just remembered he had the coast to coast AM radio station, and he got into some wacky stuff.
Are you thinking of Rush Limbaugh? Who later actually died of (lung) cancer because he wouldnât stop smoking?
Uhhhhhhh Iâve mostly blocked it out, but maybe? It was just some dude that yelled a lot and I vividly remember being in the car when the soliders or whatever had recently been beheaded (it was on the news cycle?), and he was like âhrrr drrr people are trying to keep the truth away from 'mericans!â so he aired part of the audio clip of them being beheaded???!?!
idk it was fucked.
RFK Jr. is still making that crazy claim.
My grandad still only uses his phone on loud speaker because of this
Ring ring ring ring ring
Also remember that plants have been around before humans and that we evolved to resist natural radiations. We havenât evolved yet to be around devices that produces more radiations than the limit agreed by scientists
Radioactive bananas is a relatively new thing resulting from all the nuclear bomb testing that went on from the 40s in to the 90s.
Great, now I have to go listen to the fucking song. Thanks.
I seem to remember it was not a ionization issue but something with local temperatures increases around the ear when you were using it without an earset.
Anyway, Apples knows what the norms are, decided not to care, gets caught and has to retire a phone, nothing exceptional here.
I doubt theyâd have to retire the phone - digital radio power levels are normally pretty easy to change in the radio firmware. Which also means itâs pretty easy to change, intentionally or unintentionally, in a later OS version.
Perhaps Apple chose to cheat to improve reception after mandatory testing was complete and the phone was available to buy, figuring theyâd never get caught out. Perhaps Apple didnât retest with later OS versions and it was unintentional. We will probably never know.
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They could have changed things through updates which exacerbated the issue and made the modem emit more.
I have no clue if that is why but that would be my bet.
Iâm kind of surprised they would have been able to release the device and ship it to customers with that issue in the first place.
3.8 roentgen. Not great, not terrible.
This is likely mostly true, but there is evidence brain tumor rates went up when handheld cell phones came into widespread use.
Detection of brain tumour also went up, due to increased capacity of MRIs/CT scans.
Also more marvel movies came out. Itâs interesting how often we have to repeat the correlation/causation joke and people still struggle with it.
Canât you read? The article says the EU has a limit of 4 watts per kilogram and the device produces more than that. Scientists agreed on that limit.
How is it 2023, when everybody uses microwave radios for communication constantly, and there are still people that donât understand the absolute basics, like the difference between radio/light radiation and ionising radiation? And how important transmit power is to how dangerous or not a radio wave is?
They do teach this stuff in schools still, right?
It boggles my mind. Itâs not some complex difficult topic, itâs like not knowing how electricity works, or how your body works. This is basic child level knowledge that everybody interacts with every single day, so it behoves them to understand it at least at an introductory level.
I call BS on you understanding what radiation isâŚ
To be fair, itâs not completely made-up. There is a body of evidence that suggests that even non-ionizing EM radiation may have so-called âbiological effectsâ in humans.
Organizations like the Environmental Health Trust have been banging the âcellphones cause infertility and cancerâ drum for years, and cites numerous studies on their website.
Of course, much of this research is of questionable relevance to real-world use cases involving actual phones and actual humans as opposed to, say, a bunch of rats being exposed to low-power microwaves in a lab for hours on end, but it exists nonetheless.
Environmental Health Trust is a single issue organization founded to specifically claim that radio waves are dangerous.
They are alarmists bereft of credible arguments and should be treated as such.
Certainly, but the existence of this research is why countries like France are taking this precautionary approach.
There is research that exists suggesting that the Nazis are currently plotting their return from a moon base.
France should take the precautionary approach of nuking the dark side of the moon.
Equally valid.
I get that youâre trying to be funny, but no theyâre not exactly âequally validâ.
The WHO lists RF waves (including those from cellphones) under category Group 2B of possible carcinogens, along with a bunch of other stuff.
Are they being overly cautious? Almost certainly, yes. However, the idea is not inherently ridiculous.
Meanwhile apple and chinese factories have 0 interests in shadowing researches that could put in danger their biggest source of income
EHTrust are mad as a box of frogs. They claim that phones cause cancer, which is something that all major cancer research charities dispute. Nothing they say can be taken seriously.
Are you one of those people that doesnât believe in âscienceâ, or are you having kind of a dumb day?
Are you?
Meanwhile French nuclear reactors âŚ
Are not typically held directly against your head
Only in a jacket or bag. I love my new pocket nuclear reactor. Itâs the smallest nuclear reactor ever, and I think youâre going to love it
Hey, donât kink shame. Some people like pressing their heads against french nuclear reactors.
Finally someone I can come out to.
Iâm a reactor licker, and proud of it.
The taste is so energetic!
France is really a strange country
Oui
Câest pas faux
Eh
That took them 3 years? Lol
They suspect it was increased with a software update because it was ok before the recent tests.