You get what you pay for. They’ll be drawing from “the best of the rest” in a dwindling pool.

Zuck fully expects to take advantage of the H1B push President Musk is advocating for.

Maybe we blow up another Tesla.

Unfortunately it’s a very rational choice to cozy up to an incoming fascist dictator.

That’s Führer Trump to you, worm!

All of this is very likely to kiss the ring of Herr Trump

Not likely, obviously.

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Not sure why you’re being down voted, it’s a fair point.

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Ah yes, the “old news theory”…

-They’ve done it already, why call them out again? It’s old news.

While they escalate and continue to go full-on hate for profit.

The fact ur so heighly downvoted for saying this. Perfect example of weird priorities.

In fairness, do we know for certain what happened in Facebook back then? Maybe some employees did protest, maybe they’re the same people protesting now, even. Or they quit. Thing is, LGBT issues make engaging articles. Third world suffering? Eh, it depends.

Yet, I agree with the overall point because this is the crux of the matter: on average, one of these simply matters more—one way or another, see transphobes cheering—for people of this subgroup. This is us.

The usual notes apply: good on them for protesting, big media isn’t helping, fully ethical employment is like fully ethical consumption.

Not like they’re a bunch of committed leftists working there.

Which is more likely to impact a Meta employee personally?

He’d probably win ngl.

Same. Luckily you can add his name to the block list.

Anyone ‘decent’ there is a wage-slave that doesn’t have an out. If you can leave meta and don’t there’s no decency there.

if they weren’t already organizing, I bet they are now. CWA has been receiving so many high quality leads for the last 2 years that they literally do not have enough dues-paying members to fund all of those campaigns. They’re one of the largest unions in the US already.

Still, it’s good to see there are people there who won’t just go along with anything.

That’s a bit like emptying the sewer into the street

Tech bros are too smart for that. They are true libertarians. Totally can get a better deal on their own. /S

who is talking about thought crime? spreading fake news can be dangerous in a way that results in actual deaths.

For all the crap on X, the Community Notes I’ve seen have been actually kinda good. Not that I’ve seen a lot, because algorithmically sorted public microblogging is still discursive cancer with ideological hepatitis that I mostly try to avoid.

It’s ok to let their platform spread misinformation and hatred that affects millions, but it’s not OK when that comes back and bites them in the ass.

But what is your mobility as one of its workers? What other social networks can they begin working for realistically in such a small market? Maybe that’s the way to fight against Zuckerberg’s and Musk’s attempts to turn their networks into propaganda tools for the highest bidder, to encourage disgruntled workers to start their own social networks and then go support them as well. I would seriously consider paying for an adequately moderated ActivityPub alternate that truly respected its users, was truly transparent, focuses on high quality content, and prevented brigade agenda pushing.

Well, Frances Haugen left a while ago. Some people did go.

And, well, the best time to leave Facebook was to never join. The second best time is now.

Nah Meta is widely regarded as one of the best employers in the world. I’d take 300k/usd year and all of the benefits too. Let’s stop pretending that traditional companies are somehow better so you either don’t work for any corporation or actually work for one that provides incredibly benefits to you so you have the luxury to give back and steer the ship towards good a little bit.

Personally, I wouldn’t but this is the reasoning most employees have when joining Meta.

For many, I imagine it’s just the straw that broke the camel’s back

It’s not just transphobia in these changes. You are also allowed to say that women should be/are property.

Facebook has a history of facilitating genocide (Indonesia, Myanmar). It’s clear that if it starts in the US, Facebook will be happy to help.

He answered the Trump signal, walked in and plop down one mil on the man’s desk. Now he’s following the Russian handbook for censorship.

There is a vast chasm between not doing a good enough job reining in your sensors and publicly openly declaring hate speech acceptable

It is kind of a red line. First theyre going after trans people. Why do you think you hear about it every day now? It gets the hate machine going for people other than our rulers

I know their longest tenured employee. Ran into them after 20 yrs… Different human. Nothing behind her eyes.

Others that have been there from 5 to 15 yrs…

Boiled frogs at different stages. (Yes, I know the science is debunked for literal frogs.)

What I don’t know, living in SV, is a single human that’s started a new job with them in the last… 5? 10? yrs… at this point it’s all younger people who only know a world with Meta. And this is all normal to them.

Getting five employee accounts on record is impressive.

There is not a zero-risk of retaliation.

“Internal conversations and five people interviewed.”

Let’s be honest. For current employees, it’s probably 10-100 times that. If my company did something controversial and then the press asked me for a reaction, I’d say “no comment” like it’s my catch phrase. Unless you already have a job lined up (that can’t be undone by “badmouthing your employer”), no one’s being open and truthful.

Tolerating & not suppressing it is tantamount to promotion?

Or what exactly are you talking about?

With meta on your resume you can easily find employment or freelance. Tech people have widely applicable and desired skills. Hell they could even move to a non 3rd world country and be better off.

Lots of evil is done by people who “just need to pay the bills”

Tell your friends to quit and find something better if they can get hired there they can get hired anywhere

Fuck the wind. Stand tall against the gale of hate

Not just social issues.

It’s easier if people quit than you firing them.

So do shit like this so people “protest resign” and fill their positions with H1B’s who can’t resign because they’d be deported and take a fraction of the pay.

Resigning in protest is never a good idea.

Stay, obstruct, make them fire you.

LOL welcome to corporate America. The only reason they paid lip service to causes like you mention is because it was temporarily a pathway to more profit. Now that Trump is in office (or nearly so, anyway) they have read the room and realized these beliefs are actually a liability now. So, surprise! They dropped em like a rock in the pursuit of more profits. Never never never trust a corporation to do the right thing. They sometimes accidentally do it in the pursuit of profits, but tying your hopes and dreams to a large corporation is a foolish plan. THEY DO NOT CARE ABOUT YOU THEY CARE ABOUT THE MONEY IN YOUR WALLET.

Yeah, it is absolutely crazy how much the tide has shifted with trump’s reelection. These so-called “woke” companies (it was always performative, but they performed for the more just side) have all turned 180 and dropped to their knees to kiss the ring.

And this is because of the very real feeling that trump will abuse his power and unconstitutionally stay in office. The guardrails seem to have come down, and these fuckers are rushing to get on the fascist’s good side.

That should alarm everyone, so I’ll say it again: these companies are positioning themselves on the side of fascism because they don’t think we can stop them anymore. They are making business decisions that bolster fascists because there’s a fuckin dollar in it.

With the power of these fucking megacorps behind the fascist movement, it’s like sticking a rocket engine on its ass.

That’s not at all amazing. What’s amazing is that a large number of people thought it was a great idea to hand over the power to decide what’s true or not to private companies. When they rolled out this “content moderation” used mostly against Trump the political left was beside itself with joy. I remember the taunts of “haha it’s a private company, they can publish whatever they want.” So incredibly stupid and short sighted.

Supposing your team had won, these people would go back to only paying lip service. Better, no doubt, but not a solution. How long did fascists and racists and misogynists lay dormant in US culture before seizing control now?

You need cleansing and systemic change. People need to internalize “no one is free until everyone is free.” Fascists and ethno-nationalists need to be afraid and culturally eliminated over generations.

Fascism is enabled by liberalism, and its capitalist ideology, and it’s promoted by capitalists when capital is threatened. Capitalism is the underlying force here, and capitalists are behaving in exactly the same way they’ve done at similar points in history and as described and predicted by leftists.

Yes Democrats losing the vote sucks and we’re all paying for it, globally, but their win would have been a delay at best. That doesn’t mean winning votes isn’t important, but it means that it can’t be your one and only political action once every 4 years. It’s time to get serious.

The oligarchs have paid their tithe to king Trump and feel like they are immune to consequences. So far they have been correct.

Other animals exhibit homosexuality, we’re the only species to exhibit homophobia. That should tell you all you need to know about which behavior is abnormal.

I’m not going to downvote you and assume this is a genuine question. You appear to be aware that calling someone “abnormal” would be considered insulting. If you support the idea that someone having different sexual preferences is their own business, why would you want to use these labels? If one person likes math and the other likes literature, would you call one or the other abnormal? We all deviate from the norm because there is no norm.

Your argument has been used countless times in history for a number of “abnormalities” that turn out to just be differences without distinction.

“Listen, I’m a supporter of red-heads, but don’t we basically understand that it’s a genetic abnormality? Maybe ‘illness’ is a bit harsh, but they’re just not common enough in society to be considered normal.”

Question, and this may not be the perfect place for this, but is it the phrasing that LGBTQ is a mental “illness” that’s the problem here, or that it’s a mental attribute at all?

There are many possible reasons why people might be upset at this change.

For example, loosening the moderation and restrictions like this it empowers people who are coming at this specifically with malice in mind to act with impunity.

I’m an LGBT supporter, so I’m not coming at this from a place of malice, I suppose it’s curiosity and ignorance. Don’t we basically understand that the way we function as humans is all a part of our brain chemistry, and that certain deviations from the norm cause things like ADD, homosexuality, musical creativity, etc etc?

That’s a complicated question, with a lot of what i would consider reductive phrasing.

“Deviations from the norm” would imply that there is a specific baseline “norm” to point at, when it’s much more of a vague idea of what is average, which changes over time and with increased understanding/study.

Grouping ADD, homosexuality and musical creativity together is also a bit of a stretch IMO.

ADD can be classified as a divergence from the very rough average baseline of brain function, but even then it encompasses a wide range of differences and these differences vary from person to person.

This is evidenced by how they diagnose these conditions ( ADD, ASD, Anxiety disorder etc), which is through questionnaires and assessments by professionals.

It’s not a

“You tick the 10 ADD boxes so you get the label” kind of thing,

it’s more

“You exhibit enough of these wide range symptoms with a large enough difference from the vague baseline that we would put you roughly in to this category”

Opinions on homosexuality being nature vs nurture vs “some other thing” is a whole other giant kettle of fish.

And musical “talent” can have many sources, depending on your definition.

The word illness seems way too strong, as we as a society have decided we don’t have anything against that personal trait/lifestyle/whatever

It’s commonly used to establish a baseline platform for justifying and normalising bigotry and hatred towards something.

Look up what they used to call “Hysteria” and what that enabled them to justify as “medical procedures”.

I’m sure there are people who legitimately think it’s some sort of illness but i’d put my money on the majority just being arseholes using it as an excuse.

but as far as natural occurrences goes homosexuality must be considered a mental abnormality, no?

Depends on if you consider homosexual behaviour as something unnatural.

My personal opinion is that anything we do is “natural” as we are a part of nature, not outside of it.

Putting that argument aside however, there are instances of homosexual behaviour in animals other than humans.

It also heavily depends on your definition of “abnormal”, for instance, would you consider left-handedness a mental abnormality ?

Again I don’t want to get caught up in feelings here, because I think people will hear that and take offence to it since no one wants to be “abnormal”

They might take offence because words have contextual meaning associated with them.

The strict definition of the word abnormal isn’t particularly useful here , it’s only when it’s given context that it makes sense.

My view is that the word “abnormal” when used in the context of homosexuality has been continually used as a weapon, a way to normalise and justify bigotry.

If you establish up front what it is exactly you mean (for me this would need to include what you mean by “normal”), then you might get more positive responses.

but that is the concensus is it not?

As far as i understand it, no, it is not.

Variant is probably a better choice than abnormality, if you’re asking genuinely, that is.

Here come the downvotes, which most seem to use based on whether they agree with something or not, rather than for signalling the quality of a comment. It fosters echo chambering rather than healthy discussion. I for one think that this is an excellent question and discussion.

Ok there i go for the downvotes… Where there are people with which I disagree there is always confusion about everything, if you dont think or do things like they do they start scream and protest all the time. Thats why they are getting behind, the majority of people (the silent ones; like us) are tired of the constant whining

… We are above the fray. It is the they’s and them’s causing all the problem and doing all the complaining. This post isn’t the exact whining I’m talking about I promise. We us’s are just doing the lord’s work and never complaining.

The word woke has been misused for so many years now its effectively meaningless other than meaning “dumb leftist”

Fuck we are a stupid species…

What is “woke” to you? Not using racist slurs?

What does “woke” mean, when you say it? It used to refer to awareness of the existence of institutional racism. Does “anti-woke” refer to a lack of awareness, or a lack of concern? Would you argue that that would be a good thing?

We certainly wish you were silent

“Do things the way they do” like accept people’s right to exist and be themselves. You’re the ones enforcing things on people, your revulsion at seeing a black person isn’t equal to that person’s suffering under a racist system.

You entitled piece of shit.

Why do I hear so much bitching about wokeness from the silent ones? If they want to call themselves the silent ones they should shut the fuck up. I might be interested if they had anything to say beyond the vague ‘we’re getting behind’ and ‘everything is confusing’ which gives old-man-yells-at-cloud energy.

Pretty sure it’s the zios and other fash crying about having their lies revealed.

You fuckers are anything but silent.

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is me wanting to exist really too “woke” for you?

Silent? I fucking wish you idiots were silent.

I love this ahahah <3

It’s probably accurate. Imagine cubicles and desks smoldering in a filthy, smokey heap, copy machines smashed through the windows, sparking electrical conduit dangling from the ceiling. It’s likely madness.

Yeah, the only outcome I can see from this is everyone is given a choice to stay and shut up or leave if they disagree with the new direction. Most will chose, the people who stay behind to cause trouble will be removed shortly after and then business will return to normal.

the unbreakable barrier for humanity is switching the fucking social media site you go to.

Facebook is quickly becoming a retirement community, exclusively for me-maws and pepes. It hasn’t been the tool for college kids to organize keggers in nearly a decade.

But when alternatives to Facebook crop up - your Instagrams and TikToks and Discords and WhatsApps and Grindrs - they don’t last long before being gobbled up by the bigger social media giants or shut down by hostile state regulators.

In the end, everything returns to Facebook, because the big companies can borrow money for free and staple on whatever small firm is seeing a lot of early growth. I give BlueSky another three years, tops, before one of the big social media giants acquires it.

I wish, they got rid of all the snuff sites long ago

Sorry, I can’t tell if you’re serious or not.

It’s extremely unlikely that facebook has in place a system that allows any lowly engineer to cause such damage alone. No hard drive hosting unique files no one else has, without backups, without security, and so on.

If you’re a billion dollar corp that depends on an important recipe to make your product, you’re not leaving the only copy of it on front desk with no oversight.

I don’t see how deleting files would work as a form of protest. Would probably get you in trouble, though.

you have to introduce errors that are likely to not be spotted right away. Set variables that cause 1/1,000,000 errors on pages or that that move things around over time

I’m sure that meta doesn’t have backups so that makes this an effective form of protest

The paradox of tolerance is you have to be intolerant to intolerance

The default behavior of any social media platform is to allow people to say anything they want.

False, moderation has existed since literally the beginning.

You are an idiot.(*)

(*)See anything wrong with that statement? Think an order of magnitude worse and directed at minorities who already are targeted with hate, and you have the reason why such policies must exist.

I’m excited to see the technical staffing at Facebook under Dana White.

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Cognitive dissonance.

Dude I’ve never had a single job that wasn’t for an entity I didn’t find morally reprehensible. I don’t think most people will ever have a choice in this matter. You have to work to eat.