Data hoarding is more important than ever (www.spacebar.news)
from corbin@infosec.pub to technology@lemmy.world on 30 Apr 15:03
https://infosec.pub/post/27496590

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gravitas_deficiency@sh.itjust.works on 30 Apr 16:21 next collapse

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48TB rust in raidz2 reporting in

realitista@lemm.ee on 30 Apr 18:18 next collapse
Sixtyforce@sh.itjust.works on 30 Apr 18:31 next collapse

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108TB SHR reporting in.

OhVenus_Baby@lemmy.ml on 30 Apr 18:38 collapse

8TB reporting for duty. šŸ«”šŸ˜‚

Seriously though. What’s the best help to lend out say 2tb?

Edit:This is a serious question.

I think it was annas archive that has a page for what data they need mirrored the most based on your storage space available. After looking into it.

rottingleaf@lemmy.world on 30 Apr 18:59 next collapse

A bunch of USB sticks and external drives turned on and checked from time to time with rare files I need.

Walking along I guess. Bringing some tea.

DarkDarkHouse@lemmy.sdf.org on 01 May 00:34 next collapse

You can take a look at Interplanetary File System and see what data you want to mirror.

Sixtyforce@sh.itjust.works on 01 May 02:46 collapse

IpFS like ddh says makes the most sense probably. But you can archive a lot of raw text. Try to save what you think the Nazis would burn. I doubt archive.org survives many more years. Leaked archives of american research papers too.

Someonelol@lemmy.dbzer0.com on 30 Apr 19:50 next collapse

14TB RAID1 setup reporting in.

ripcord@lemmy.world on 30 Apr 22:12 collapse

324TB misc here for duty

Saik0Shinigami@lemmy.saik0.com on 01 May 02:14 next collapse

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Sixtyforce@sh.itjust.works on 01 May 02:56 next collapse

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Saik0Shinigami@lemmy.saik0.com on 01 May 03:44 collapse

Heh… I’m actually rewatching Dragon Ball right now.

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Sixtyforce@sh.itjust.works on 01 May 04:03 collapse

Awesome! I like the original series best by a decent margin. Soooo good.

SCmSTR@lemmy.blahaj.zone on 01 May 08:50 collapse

Watched it for the first time last year. It was incredible. Absolutely holds up to modern stuff… Except for some absolute creep moments around Bulma, various sexism… The overall purity culture weirdness… Some really homophobic things… Some really racist things… …

Okay. It has issues. Lots of really big issues. But the music is amazingly fresh and the visuals top notch and it’s always entertaining, minus the glaring problems. And that they did Lunch so dirty for some reason.

Sixtyforce@sh.itjust.works on 01 May 12:53 collapse

That’s still modern Japan lol. At least, it stands out to me vs western media today.

SCmSTR@lemmy.blahaj.zone on 01 May 19:08 collapse

That’s a pity they haven’t changed. I know a lot of Japan has gotten better, but I also know that they still have a prevailing homophobic purity culture.

Rant:

One of my favorite animes is one piece, and as much as I love it for it and some personal connections in my head around it, there’s just so much hurtful and thoughtless stuff in it.

Generally, Oda does a good job of keeping it harmless and goofy, even when using racist or sexist or homophobic tropes. He generally keeps them colorful and just for the sake of having weird shit. Which I have always loved.

But… Every once in a while there’s like an ice cold bat to the face, be it something that is just old (I’m rewatching it) and at the time may have been trying to bridge an acceptance gap, or just downright mean spirited.

Like for example, I’m in the whitebeard war area of the story, and there’s the crossdresser stuff and the king(queen?) of them. Fat, Giant Head, lingerie all the time even outside, giant chin and jawline, crazy makeup, and when he attacks, he winks at you. Like. Come on. That’s so shitty. And I would say that the character is a drag queen, but he LITERALLY USES HORMONES TO CHANGE HIS AND OTHER’S PHYSIOLOGY. Like a military guard is about to attack him, and he injects him with hormones and turns the guard into a woman, who then gets embarrassed, mews, and collapses in heat and embarrassment. He’s not a drag queen, they’re a transgender non binary, genderfluid troll that everybody calls an okama, which, to my knowledge, is basically a sissy or maybe even a slur, >!faggot or fag!<.

And all the hyper stylized femininity toothpick waist girls and barrel shaped boys. Like come on, if you’re gonna do that style, give me those waify boys, tough girls, and sexy and confusing enbies at least.

All the people in queer land are just manly crossdressers. Where are the femboys!? Where are the gorgeous women who just happen to be assigned male at birth?

Maybe one piece gets better over time. Maybe there are anime that are better. Maybe there’s ā€œWesternā€ media today that’s more realistic.

/Rant

gravitas_deficiency@sh.itjust.works on 01 May 03:06 collapse

Holy shit, you’ve nearly 20x’d me 🫔

Saik0Shinigami@lemmy.saik0.com on 01 May 03:15 collapse

Check again…

That’s ā€œfree spaceā€. The 414 represents ~62% of my space (38% used). I’m at just under 700 for usable space. And 2 disks are out of the array at the moment because the backplane went stupid. Turns out that it’s a pain in the ass to open server chassis to replace a backplane when you have to unmount 70 disks. And I’m pretty lazy.

6 x RAIDZ2 | 10 wide | 14.55 TiB
873TiB raw.
960TB raw.

This graph might be better…

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gravitas_deficiency@sh.itjust.works on 01 May 03:18 collapse

lol yeah - I revised my comment from 10x to 20x after looking closer. You literally 20x’d me lol.

That is some thicc storage. Respect.

Saik0Shinigami@lemmy.saik0.com on 01 May 03:39 collapse

Let’s just say that I do my part seeding Linux ISOs.

~72 TB uploaded the past 30 days.

I am unfortunately the epitome of a data hoarder. I still have files that I generated/created 30 years ago…

gravitas_deficiency@sh.itjust.works on 01 May 03:43 collapse

Damn, what sort of connection are you running? I feel like you’d be getting throttled, assuming throttling isn’t strictly illegal (side note: genuinely, thank you, People’s Republic of Massachusetts ā¤ļø)

Saik0Shinigami@lemmy.saik0.com on 01 May 03:52 collapse

Fiber, 8gbps through Quantum Fiber (part of the Lumen/Centurylink family). No throttling here…

My bottleneck is the vpn that I have to have between me and the world… unfortunately. I only trust specific private trackers to not use it. I actually setup 4 seed boxes (VMs) in my garage to push more data out.

Proxmox cluster… and big storage truenas node.

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And a dirty amount of networking… big cables on the right is QSFP, 40gbps 2x in lagg per server.

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These pictures were just after a transplant to a new server rack. So everything is off… but the blinkin’ lights are real.

Edit: Didn’t turn off anything before I ran these…

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Agent641@lemmy.world on 01 May 06:41 next collapse

How do you afford all this?

SCmSTR@lemmy.blahaj.zone on 01 May 08:54 next collapse

Probably years of passion. Possibly a career related to this stuff.

gravitas_deficiency@sh.itjust.works on 01 May 12:13 collapse

I’m gonna guess incremental increases over the years, and snapping up used enterprise stuff on fire sale. It’s actually pretty feasible to do if you know where to look for this stuff.

Saik0Shinigami@lemmy.saik0.com on 01 May 13:15 collapse

More or less exactly this. Most of my servers are company decommission (some companies have a strict upgrade cycle, and I even have like 3 more ā€œsparesā€ sitting around). I’ve found some government liquidation here and there as well which has been great for resale to recoup some of what I spend. I have something like 4TB of Ram sitting in a box somewhere that I should sell somewhere…

Some stuff was ā€œdecentā€ ebay buys. A few items I just had to pony up for. Battery backups was mostly paid at full msrp, but has been worth it. HDDs are mostly ā€œrefurbā€ and built up over time as well, which is why raidz2 and several spares in the zfs pool.

But yeah, about 10 years of building it up. I use it as my playground for professional development, and it’s helped prove a lot of what I say on my resume.

When you have a functional setup like this, and can show that to potential employer. It’s been the best sole investment I’ve ever made. It’s netted me more money in contracts by many many times what I put into it.

Edit: and saved me from countless ā€œcloudā€ privacy violations, data breaches, etc…

Edit2: Recurring costs is basically energy. The rack itself uses about 90kWh a day (about $5/day for me), cooling and all. My solar install creates just about that much per day as well so that’s all offset (and if I ever move my equipment into a colo, my house will basically have no electric bill at all). Internet is $165 a month, which is fucking great IMO… VPN is paid every 3 years or whatever that cycle is on. If I was to just take the non-replaceable stuff (about 20tb worth of data at last check, and a bunch of lxc containers) and put that on a VPS somewhere I’d be paying at least 10x what I do now in someone else’s datacenter, forget that that’s a recurring monthly cost.

Edit3: Just because it is likely useful information for SOMEONE out there… If you know that your setup takes 10kWh a day, you need to account for another %50 for cooling, so you should actually expect 15kWh in that usecase. My actual rack uses ~60… 30 more is cooling. I actually have all my power usages broken out in a sankey graph… Even goes further to break it down on a per server usage as well, but I can’t take a reasonable screenshot that doesn’t show personal information. This is 24 hours of usage (specifically 04/30, yesterday) and ā€œgarage dedicatedā€ is what the A/C unit I have in the bottom of my rack is plugged into.

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gravitas_deficiency@sh.itjust.works on 01 May 13:53 collapse

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I’m in an apartment currently; the footprint I’m willing to allocate to a server amounts to a full-size ATX case, and a bunch of small ebay’d lenovo thin clients (plus a handful of rPi’s and similar SBCs). When I finally am able to get a house with some actual project space, I aspire to build something approaching your setup over time.

Saik0Shinigami@lemmy.saik0.com on 01 May 14:03 collapse

I started on cluster (8) of rpi3b and a Synology NAS 10 years ago… prior to that was just storing it all on random hdd (harddrive toaster was alway present and loaded on my desk) and on my computer. these days you can get those little intel n100 or n150 boxes for pretty cheap too. There’s a lot of options, and a lot of mature software tech to make it all work well together.

Sixtyforce@sh.itjust.works on 02 May 01:07 collapse

It’s been enough to just seed behind a VPN at this scale? I’d like to do something similar one day at smaller scale but I’m a bit fearful.

In my youth I used to operate my own and admin on other ROM sites. The smart move then was Asian server hosts who would take anonymous payments with no personal info attached to the accounts. But we were still worried of Nintendo, keeping safe was a bit scary.

But they never went after us. It was easier for them to just go after people hosting in the USA under their real names.

But that’s centralized, different ballpark from p2p. I used to use mullvad for torrents until they removed port forwarding.

Saik0Shinigami@lemmy.saik0.com on 02 May 01:15 collapse

It’s been enough to just seed behind a VPN at this scale?

I think that question really hinges on ā€œwhat vpn provider you choose to useā€. Honestly… People don’t hit me as hard as I wish they would.

~72 TB uploaded the past 30 days.

From earlier. ~64TB of that is on my VPN’d hosts. I know it’s a bottleneck by it’s very nature… the highest I’ve seen all 4 peak at the same time was just over 3gbps aggregate…

The VPN I use is a no log vpn… and I choose an exit point that’s outside of my country. So at the very least would require coordination between 2 countries, and a provider that has nothing to give up…

At that point it’s all about the trackers that you’re a part of.

Sixtyforce@sh.itjust.works on 02 May 02:56 collapse

Cool thanks for info.

SCmSTR@lemmy.blahaj.zone on 01 May 08:53 next collapse

Jfc please make sure that’s hazard proof and don’t get raided. People like you legitimately make the world go round.

Saik0Shinigami@lemmy.saik0.com on 01 May 13:22 collapse

So about that… I actually got solar installed on my house and when the ā€œelectricianā€ (subbed out contractor with dubious credentials but was operating under a legit company) ran dedicated breakers for the servers… the junction box caught fire.

That was a fun 2am to wake up at.

But it’s pretty safe now. Have had several master electricians come in and evaluate it all at this point and all of them are happy with it now.

SCmSTR@lemmy.blahaj.zone on 01 May 19:21 collapse

What about things like earthquakes, house fire, flood, volcano, tornado, hurricane, crashing plane, theft, nazis, shitty kids, anarchists, or rain?

Saik0Shinigami@lemmy.saik0.com on 01 May 19:54 collapse

earthquakes,

I live in a geo-stable location… Lots of DCs here specifically because of that.

house fire,

Yep. Fire extinguishers are in house, and I check them pretty regularly… Blaze cut is in the junction box(now) and in the rack. Rack is in garage, so I can just unplug and push it the fuck out (assuming I have time after throwing my kids out the windows).

It was actually my setup that alerted me to the junction fire pre-emptively… as power usage was fluctuating wildly and I have Home Assistant alert on that sort of stuff. It only sparked and blew some insulation… The fire didn’t actually move anywhere meaningful and I cut power before it had a chance to get worse. My fire alarm itself is also tied into HASS at this point. So I get alerts on my phone for the rare occasion that I leave my house (most [99%] of my work is work from home, I go to a datacenter probably quarterly at this point for all of an hour).

flood,

We barely get rain :(. But because of the soil here there’s lots of washes and irrigation mitigations in place already.

volcano,

Yellowstone finally going up will just outright kill me… don’t care to mitigate this at that point. There’s no other active volcanos around.

tornado, hurricane,

Doesn’t happen here. Dust devils are about as bad as it gets.

crashing plane,

So there’s 2 ways to look at this one… I live near an AirForce base. Either they fuck up and I’m more at risk… or because the area around the base is no-fly zone, I’m less likely… I don’t know take your pick. I would hope ā€œless likelyā€ due to training… but I’ve seen stupid shit when I was in the military.

theft, nazis, shitty kids, anarchists,

Guns…I have guns. Lots of ammo. A good setup for cameras on my house. And no fucks to give as army training and a deployment has forced onto me. My state is a stand your ground state. If it’s my kids that are the shitty kids… I have a backyard and a shovel (/s).

or rain?

See ā€œfloodā€ above.
Other sources of water (water leak): no pipes above the server rack… Water heater isn’t that close, has a freezer in between to take the brunt of any initial impact, and is brand new (so unlikely to spontaneously explode). Rack is elevated on it’s coasters and garage is graded towards the street.


We can get some interesting thunder storms here. Rack is grounded, I have backup batteries in the rack and whole house battery from the solar. But luck be what it is, in theory that could nail me as unlikely as it is.

Everything is encrypted at rest… Backups are encrypted.

I don’t have a proepr offsite yet. But my cousin is finishing building his house. He also has a fat internet pipe, and I’ll just leave a 25TB node there to backup the important/unreplaceable stuff over there. He’s clear across the country in a pretty geo-stable location as well. And he has an interest in maintaining it as he uses some services that I offer anyway (Email, nextcloud, backups, etc…). Everything else is pretty replaceable and wouldn’t take all that much effort to rebuild otherwise.

Never claimed I was ā€œperfectā€ā€¦ But I’m doing pretty well here and have been doing it for nearly a decade this way. With ~30 years worth of data and very little of it lost. (there was one event over a decade ago at this point… but wasn’t all that bad.)

The real risk is just me doing something stupid since I’m the sole owner and nobody else really knows how to access any of my stuff. My dad has emergency access to my password vault, but even though he’s been programming since the 80’s, a lot of my setup is likely over his head.

All this other stuff is pretty low risk/unlikely or has been relatively decently mitigated.

Edit: Oh… and some certain important items are burned to M-discs and put into my safe every quarter or so.

gravitas_deficiency@sh.itjust.works on 01 May 12:12 collapse

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Ngl I am quite envious. That’s awesome.

douglasg14b@lemmy.world on 01 May 04:15 next collapse

32TB right now.

Got +80TB coming in the mail!

And offside backup coming soon ā„¢ļø

bruhduh@lemmy.world on 01 May 07:06 next collapse
SCmSTR@lemmy.blahaj.zone on 01 May 08:44 collapse

<3

Nyticus@kbin.melroy.org on 30 Apr 16:31 next collapse

The day the Internet Archive was being attacked and sued, was the signal.

Imgonnatrythis@sh.itjust.works on 30 Apr 17:07 next collapse

They don’t have to participate, but it’s a good article to raise awareness for your non tech oriented friends and family.

This is a massive problem, but at the very least it’s happening in an era of very cheap data storage.

corsicanguppy@lemmy.ca on 30 Apr 18:43 next collapse

I stopped reading at ā€œliterallyā€, which was early-on.

GreenKnight23@lemmy.world on 01 May 00:57 collapse

did you literally or figuratively stop reading though?

atomicbocks@sh.itjust.works on 30 Apr 19:16 next collapse

Lots of people hoard data. The problem is keeping it in a working state. Think about how many people have old towers or laptops in their garage or basement never to look at those downloads or vacation photos again.

SCmSTR@lemmy.blahaj.zone on 01 May 08:43 collapse

I’m a huge fan of the golden era of anime fansubs. I know a lot of people still have the files, but they’re probably squirreled away on an offline hdd or a bunch of dvds, not being shared. It’s quite sad and frustrating. It’s completely lost culture in many instances.

pulido@lemmings.world on 30 Apr 22:42 next collapse

I agree. I recommend most people don’t go overboard, but they can still do their part.

Save the things you like and are relevant to you. Movies, shows, games, music, books, etc. You don’t have to be an archivist. Storing data should be something that reflects you, personally, and it should genuinely be more enjoyable as a result.

It should feel good to preserve and be responsible for another copy of the information you like.

GreenKnight23@lemmy.world on 01 May 00:56 next collapse

3tb of porn and growing.

momma always said, ā€œdo what you like you thick sumbitch, yer gon do it anyway.ā€

she was right. I did it anyway.

frezik@midwest.social on 01 May 14:46 collapse

Be glad you don’t have VR. Those porn vids get big.

forgotaboutlaye@lemmy.world on 01 May 07:15 next collapse

Music is a no brainer for me since it’s something that is infinitely re-enjoyable (if that’s a word) and it doesn’t have to take up much space, without reasonable compromises to quality.

I bought a digital audio player last year so that I could be offline and disconnected when I go out but still enjoy music. One of my favourite purchases the last few years.

beejboytyson@lemmy.world on 01 May 12:42 collapse

Don’t think you need to add the suffix. You re-enjoy the old things.

frezik@midwest.social on 01 May 14:41 collapse

Instructions unclear, setup personal Project Gutenberg mirror.

(Started months ago, actually. Their main archive server isn’t very fast.)

yggstyle@lemmy.world on 30 Apr 23:43 next collapse

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Routhinator@startrek.website on 01 May 04:32 collapse

I just hoarded this gif

yggstyle@lemmy.world on 01 May 05:07 collapse

Take what you can … šŸ“ā€ā˜ ļø

Gradually_Adjusting@lemmy.world on 01 May 14:58 collapse

And seed the hell out of it! 🦜

ultrafastsloth@lemmy.world on 01 May 07:37 next collapse

I don’t know who here likes Horizon games, but I like how many parallels the writers put in the game that reflect the state of the world.

::: spoilerĀ a bit of a game spoiler

Like the whole premise of the story is exactly what this article mentioned: a multi billionaire CEO with a god complex completely wiped out the entire human database to erase any information of how he destroyed the world to protect his ego and image. Also why the new world is basically just bronze age level tribes.

:::

TriflingToad@sh.itjust.works on 01 May 14:40 next collapse

my coolest data hoard (im not insane, I only have like 3tb, mostly of games) was the doom 1993 files.

me at 2am tinkering with my computer had an emotional connection to another computer nerd back in 1995 at like 11:30 at night who was packaging doom files that through dozens of exchanges made it’s hands to mine.

Wonder who it was and how they’re doing now…

anonproxy00@lemm.ee on 01 May 15:55 next collapse

i have like 10 tb of documented changes from just the us govnt websites. I log every. single. change. to a selection of both local and federal .gov sites. Ive got a pi, whos only job is to find and log this. I figure this kinda documentation could be historically significant if sombody tries to alter the past.

idk why I do this, I just like the info. I wanna build a website to display these changes.

ik the internet archives exist…but what if somthing happens?

Allero@lemmy.today on 01 May 17:17 next collapse

On an unrelated note: the site has the least invasive adblock banner I’ve ever seen. Made me wish to immediately turn it off.

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daggermoon@lemmy.world on 01 May 20:03 next collapse

Good thing I’m stocking up on used HDD’s.

OhVenus_Baby@lemmy.ml on 02 May 03:47 collapse

How long do HDDs last though? I’ve got some from 2015 to 2018 manufacture date. Seems dated and old.

daggermoon@lemmy.world on 02 May 07:27 collapse

The oldest one I have is from 2007. Still works fine. As for how long they last it heavily depends on your luck. I’ve seen HDD’s from the mid-nineties that still work, not in person just to clarify. I don’t have any irreplacable data stored on them. It’s also important to use a filesystem that can detect corruption like btrfs, becachefs, or zfs.

SabinStargem@lemmy.today on 01 May 20:25 collapse

Picked up a 24tb external drive. My video collection and stuff is going onto it, so that I can nuke my PC’s drives and start fresh. The odds of Microsoft being a Trump Regime collaborator are high, so I want to be ready to hop out of the frypan when the time comes.

Aside from that, I have been ripping and converting my discs again. AV1 offers nice space savings. Patlabor, OG Dragonball, documentaries, all will be updated.