Welsh government to write to Duolingo after updates to course 'paused' (news.sky.com)
from Salamendacious@lemmy.world to technology@lemmy.world on 23 Oct 2023 11:51
https://lemmy.world/post/7212142

Wales’s minister for education and the Welsh language said he will write to the company to see how the government might be able to support the course’s continued development.

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autotldr@lemmings.world on 23 Oct 2023 11:55 next collapse

This is the best summary I could come up with:


The Welsh course on language learning app Duolingo will no longer be updated from the end of the month.

The course, which the company describes as “the world’s most popular way to learn Welsh online”, will remain available but not developed further.

“Duolingo is a valuable resource which can help learners on their journey to become Welsh speakers, alongside other language learning opportunities,” Mr Miles added.

He wants to see an extension of another year to allow the National Centre for Learning Welsh to complete its work on the course.

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"Our aim is to channel limited resources into enhancing high-demand courses like Spanish, French, and German, which serve a larger audience in the UK and worldwide.


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bernieecclestoned@sh.itjust.works on 23 Oct 2023 12:11 next collapse

Dywedodd Mr Miles y byddai’n gofyn i’r cwmni ystyried sut y gallai’r llywodraeth - sydd â tharged hunan-osodedig o gyrraedd miliwn o siaradwyr Cymraeg erbyn 2050 - gefnogi datblygiad y cwrs, gan weithio gyda’r Ganolfan Dysgu Cymraeg Genedlaethol. Roedd ffigyrau Cyfrifiad y llynedd yn dangos bod 24,000 yn llai o siaradwyr Cymraeg o gymharu â degawd yn ôl a dywedodd adroddiad yn gynharach eleni fod amheuaeth ynghylch cyrraedd y targed. Ychwanegodd Mr Miles: "Mae Duolingo yn adnodd gwerthfawr a all helpu dysgwyr ar eu taith i ddod yn siaradwyr Cymraeg, ochr yn ochr â chyfleoedd dysgu iaith eraill. Roedd y tiwtor iaith Richard Morse yn un o’r rhai a fu’n gweithio am nifer o flynyddoedd i roi cynnwys y cwrs at ei gilydd.

breadsmasher@lemmy.world on 23 Oct 2023 12:30 next collapse

ph’nglui mglw’nafh Cthulhu R’lyeh wgah’nagl fhtagn

GeekFTW@kbin.social on 23 Oct 2023 12:47 next collapse

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[deleted] on 23 Oct 2023 13:32 next collapse

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DarkThoughts@kbin.social on 23 Oct 2023 16:10 collapse

I sympathize with you, old squid.

TonyTonyChopper@mander.xyz on 23 Oct 2023 12:50 collapse

I was looking for this in the above comment

Beardedsausag3@kbin.social on 23 Oct 2023 12:33 next collapse

I'm not so bad, thanks for asking - how are you?

Squeak@lemmy.world on 23 Oct 2023 12:47 collapse

That was just the guy’s address…

ripcord@kbin.social on 23 Oct 2023 13:05 collapse

Need way longer words with fewer vowels for that.

SkaveRat@discuss.tchncs.de on 23 Oct 2023 13:13 collapse

it’s the short version. The local post office will recognize it

nova_ad_vitum@lemmy.ca on 23 Oct 2023 13:29 next collapse

You make a strong case. Maybe people should learn…that.

Rodeo@lemmy.ca on 23 Oct 2023 17:32 collapse

It’s really useful! It’s spoken across the world in … Uh, one country that’s not even really it’s own country. In fact you’d be better off speaking English there.

I get the desire to preserve it as history, but it’s really not up to a private company to do something about that. And I say this as someone who knows private companies should be doing a lot more for people and the world than they are.

ForgotAboutDre@lemmy.world on 23 Oct 2023 18:06 collapse

Welsh is spoken across the world. There is a significant community of Welsh speakers in Argentina, many of which don’t speak any English.

Language is much more than history. It is also deeply connected to culture and identity. Once it’s gone, it’s gone forever.

I don’t think your intentions are bad, but this attitude leads to cultural destruction (when applied in scale). Cultural destruction is serious evil, those that carry it out often use misdirections like it’s just not practical.

Rodeo@lemmy.ca on 24 Oct 2023 13:12 collapse

Good thing it’s not on either me nor a company to preserve that culture then!

The Welsh are free to whatever they please to preserve their culture and language. And Duolingo is free to not help if they don’t want to.

kn33@lemmy.world on 23 Oct 2023 15:23 next collapse

Mr Miles said he would ask the company to consider how the government - which has a self-set target of reaching one million Welsh speakers by 2050 - could support the development of the course, working with the National Center for Learning Welsh. Last year’s Census figures showed that there were 24,000 fewer Welsh speakers compared to a decade ago and a report earlier this year said there was doubt about reaching the target. Mr Miles added: "Duolingo is a valuable resource that can help learners on their journey to become Welsh speakers, alongside other language learning opportunities. Language tutor Richard Morse was one of those who worked for several years to put the course content together.

cashews_best_nut@lemmy.world on 23 Oct 2023 18:24 next collapse

Bora da! Dym smygu araf.

merc@sh.itjust.works on 23 Oct 2023 21:31 collapse

I swear, Welsh looks like ROT13 encoded English.

English version:

Mr Miles said he would ask the company to consider how the government - which has a self-set target of reaching one million Welsh speakers by 2050 - could support the development of the course, working with the National Welsh Language Learning Centre. Last year’s Census figures showed that there were 24,000 fewer Welsh speakers compared to a decade ago and a report earlier this year said there was doubt about reaching the target. Mr Miles added: "Duolingo is a valuable resource that can help learners on their journey to become Welsh speakers, alongside other language learning opportunities. The language tutor Richard Morse was one of those who worked for several years to put the course content together.

ROT13 version:

Ze Zvyrf fnvq ur jbhyq nfx gur pbzcnal gb pbafvqre ubj gur tbireazrag - juvpu unf n frys-frg gnetrg bs ernpuvat bar zvyyvba Jryfu fcrnxref ol 2050 - pbhyq fhccbeg gur qrirybczrag bs gur pbhefr, jbexvat jvgu gur Angvbany Jryfu Ynathntr Yrneavat Prager. Ynfg lrne’f Prafhf svtherf fubjrq gung gurer jrer 24,000 srjre Jryfu fcrnxref pbzcnerq gb n qrpnqr ntb naq n ercbeg rneyvre guvf lrne fnvq gurer jnf qbhog nobhg ernpuvat gur gnetrg. Ze Zvyrf nqqrq: "Qhbyvatb vf n inyhnoyr erfbhepr gung pna uryc yrnearef ba gurve wbhearl gb orpbzr Jryfu fcrnxref, nybatfvqr bgure ynathntr yrneavat bccbeghavgvrf. Gur ynathntr ghgbe Evpuneq Zbefr jnf bar bs gubfr jub jbexrq sbe frireny lrnef gb chg gur pbhefr pbagrag gbtrgure.

neutron@thelemmy.club on 23 Oct 2023 15:17 next collapse

It’s actually cool to see a government body embrace new technologies to promote their language and culture.

Salamendacious@lemmy.world on 23 Oct 2023 15:21 next collapse

It is! It’s unfortunate that Duolingo killed the volunteer program.

Kolrami@lemmy.world on 23 Oct 2023 17:48 next collapse

I can’t even see comments on lessons anymore. There was one Brazilian dude named Paulenrique who would answer anyone’s questions about quirks of the language and now all his efforts to help people are just gone.

Salamendacious@lemmy.world on 23 Oct 2023 17:51 next collapse

Yeah there were lots of people in the Italian comments who did the same thing. It was invaluable. Now all that work is gone. It’s frustrating. I cancelled my super Duolingo subscription over that.

neutron@thelemmy.club on 23 Oct 2023 22:42 collapse

Yeah, tons of helpful tips on actual natives chiming in, just gone. It’s a shame.

Etienne_Dahu@jlai.lu on 23 Oct 2023 22:06 next collapse

It’s because they didn’t connect for 7 days… A warning to the other students.

elscallr@lemmy.world on 23 Oct 2023 22:24 collapse

I’m not sure if you’ve ever moderated anything volunteer based but… honestly you can’t give the internet anything nice.

Kolrami@lemmy.world on 23 Oct 2023 22:53 collapse

But then why did they get rid of the comments that were old, locked, and useful? Sometimes it feels like Duolingo cares less and less about whether or not people learn languages. It’s not surprising, but unfortunate.

elscallr@lemmy.world on 24 Oct 2023 00:13 collapse

I’m not saying it was the ideal thing, I’m saying people mostly suck and moderating something sucks a lot less when you can fire the person who decided to say “pinche tu madre” meant “have a nice day.”

shneancy@lemmy.world on 24 Oct 2023 14:07 collapse

the Welsh government is desperate. Welsh was close to being eradicated because somebody wanted more land, like they literally used to beat children in schools for speaking Welsh.

Now Wales is trying really hard to bring it back, and duolingo offering a free course for anybody on the planet helps a ton. Especially because it’s hard to find learning resources when you don’t live in Wales. Hell, the resources are scarce even when you do live in Wales!

archonet@lemmy.world on 23 Oct 2023 15:47 next collapse

Today I learned there’s someone out there who wants to learn sheepshaggerspeech

Brave new world, that

GentlemanLoser@ttrpg.network on 23 Oct 2023 16:19 next collapse

Low effort.

[deleted] on 23 Oct 2023 17:51 collapse

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Wodge@lemmy.world on 23 Oct 2023 16:34 collapse

Today I learned that you’re a cunt.

Same shit, different idiot, that.

[deleted] on 23 Oct 2023 17:50 next collapse

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Dsklnsadog@lemmy.dbzer0.com on 24 Oct 2023 00:45 collapse

Are we allowed to say c*nt here? No automod?

Love it

HaggierRapscallier@feddit.nl on 24 Oct 2023 15:02 collapse

cvnt, for when you’re a medieval printer lacking Us.

Aatube@kbin.social on 23 Oct 2023 16:52 next collapse

Does the website have no problem with that outdated logo staring into your eyes

your eyes

elscallr@lemmy.world on 23 Oct 2023 22:21 next collapse

The one that looks like it’s had a stroke?

rustyricotta@lemmy.ml on 23 Oct 2023 22:33 collapse

Well, the current logo on my phone is the owl screaming with its face melting, so it was probably the better choice.

veniasilente@lemm.ee on 24 Oct 2023 01:49 collapse

Instead of depending on a for profit / corpo for maintaining something like a whole language maybe that should be left to a coöp? Or at least something open source / Creative Commons so that people actually are authorized to contribute?

Salamendacious@lemmy.world on 24 Oct 2023 07:47 collapse

Is there an open source language learning platform? I’m not very invested in the FLOSS community but I didn’t think there was anything.

veniasilente@lemm.ee on 27 Oct 2023 03:27 collapse

I don’t know either, I just assume that since it’s 2023 and there’s corpos, at least someone, somewhere, is thanklessly working on a FOSS language learning platform.

Salamendacious@lemmy.world on 27 Oct 2023 04:11 collapse

Does corpos refer to corporations?

veniasilente@lemm.ee on 29 Oct 2023 03:18 collapse

Yeah it’s like, the same way “pharmaceutics” get shiv’d into “pharma” (or “big pharma”) “corporations” get shiv’d into “corpo”.

Salamendacious@lemmy.world on 29 Oct 2023 09:11 collapse

It must be a regional thing. Personally I’ve never heard pharma by itself only as big pharma, shiv is an improvised knife a prisoner might make, and I’ve never heard corpo before. English is a huge language with a lot of regional differences. When I was young I would say wicked to mean very. If something was really fucked up I’d say it was wicked fucked up or wicked fucked.